[00:49] <arand> peterkls: what kind of problem? does older versions work?
[00:50] <peterkls> has anyone been able to sart the live cd up? having trouble with a1 on my ideapad s10-3t.
[00:51] <peterkls> yeah i get 10.04 to startup fine...
[00:51] <arand> Try a daily instead.
[00:51] <arand> !daily
[00:51] <ubottu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[00:51] <arand> That might make a difference, since alpha is quite "old" by now...
[00:52] <peterkls> i tried that too. i probably should copy the error down >_>
[00:52] <arand> And report a bug.
[00:52] <peterkls> yeah
[00:53] <peterkls> i need to make  a launchpad account yeah?
[00:54] <arand> Testing acpi=off and other kernel options might be worth a try, and when reporting, note that on the report as well.
[00:54] <peterkls> think unetbootin has something to do with the  live  cd not working?
[00:55] <arand> Yea, will need a LP account.
[00:55] <arand> Hmm, Unless the image was somehow corrupt in the writing to USB, I don't think it should..
[00:56] <arand> Doesn't ubuntu have another tool that can be used to get the USB image written, in windows? Or was that just a blueprint...
[00:58] <peterkls> yeah im looking at that now
[00:58] <peterkls> brb lol
[01:24] <jordanwb> I'm looking for a new laptop. How are the Intel GMA chips for driver support?
[01:29] <jordanwb> Hello?
[01:29]  * holstein has an asus EEE with intel chips
[01:29] <holstein> works great
[01:29] <holstein> the least head-ache in the house right now
[01:30] <jordanwb> So is it safe to say I don't have to worry about driver support.
[01:31] <holstein> jordanwb: i wouldnt say that
[01:31] <peterkls> going to get the error code brb all
[01:31] <holstein> i would still google and poke around and ask
[01:31] <jordanwb> I suspect they'd have better support than ATI or nvidia
[01:31] <holstein> BUT i think i will get intel chips for my next purchase
[01:31]  * holstein is not a gamer
[01:32] <arand> Well, the GMA954/955 Seems to have had problems throughout lucid
[01:32] <holstein> ive heard good thins about nvida though
[01:32]  * holstein looks
[01:32] <jordanwb> I know that Nouveau works with my nvidia GT220.
[01:32] <holstein> Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
[01:33] <holstein> thats what i got that ive had no problems with
[01:33] <jordanwb> Cool. I'm looking for a laptop where I don't have to worry about binary drivers.
[01:33] <holstein> arent we all :)
[01:34] <holstein> i got a couple of out of the box ATI cards too
[01:34] <holstein> id have to fire them up to check
[01:34] <holstein> nothing new
[01:34] <jordanwb> I know I don't have to worry about Atheros and Intel makes good wifi chips. Not sure about RealTek.
[01:34] <holstein> i just dont like real-tek
[01:34] <holstein> quality wise
[01:35] <holstein> but i got a couple of those that are supported
[01:36] <jordanwb> According to the Ubuntu Wiki, the Radeon HD 4200 works with the OSS Radeon driver which would work.
[01:37] <Daekdroom> jordanwb, I don't think it has 3D accel
[01:38] <jordanwb> I don't mind. My current laptop has a Radeon x1200 which uses the radeon driver and it can do compiz stuff just fine (transparency mainly).
[01:39] <Daekdroom> Well, for X1200 it does.
[01:40] <jordanwb> According to the wiki, Intel's G965 OSS driver does 3D
[01:41] <holstein> my EEE does compiz out of the box
[01:42] <jordanwb> Cool. So it seems that the Intel GMA is the least bad
[01:42] <Daekdroom> GMA500, on the other hand..
[01:44] <jordanwb> I'll be near a Best Buy so I'll take a dialy build of meerkat and see what happens.
[01:44] <jordanwb> Best buy tommorow*
[01:45] <holstein> thats the best way
[01:45] <bjsnider> do they let people walk in off the streets and load strange operating systems on their display systems?
[01:46] <jordanwb> Windows ME would be strange to the Geek Squad
[01:46] <holstein> sure
[01:46] <holstein> just ask :)
[01:47] <holstein> they like to sell things
[01:47] <bjsnider> i see
[01:48] <bjsnider> what if the livecd ruined the hardware?
[01:48] <holstein> at the store?
[01:48] <bjsnider> affirmative
[01:48] <holstein> that would be unlikely
[01:48] <holstein> and, its not anybody's hardware
[01:48] <jordanwb> there was a case of the e1000 driver hosing the network chip but that was a while ago.
[01:48] <holstein> i would assume the geek-squad would re-do the OS
[01:49] <bjsnider> remember when the kernel destroyed the firmware on some lan chips awhile back?
[01:49] <holstein> OR just send it back
[01:49] <holstein> after hardy?
[01:49] <Daekdroom> r600g mesa driver had a function that got you to do a cold start boot to fix a crash o.o
[01:50] <Daekdroom> How come there aren't any linux malwares..
[01:50] <holstein> there will be i bet
[01:50] <jordanwb> there was one in a gnome screensave a while back
[01:50] <maco> Daekdroom: there are
[01:50] <bjsnider> linux is too small a target
[01:50] <bjsnider> currently
[01:50] <holstein> with all the adroid phones
[01:50] <holstein> android*
[01:50] <maco> there are no VIRUSES *in the wild* able to infect a current up-to-date system
[01:50] <maco> there have been ~30 in the wild at various times
[01:51] <maco> and there's plenty badness out there that *isnt* a virus
[01:51] <Daekdroom> Hell, I once saw a installing routine script that started with a rm -rf /bin/
[01:51] <maco> Daekdroom: yikes!
[01:51] <Daekdroom> and yes, somebody fell for it, and no, thankfully it wasn't me :P
[01:51] <maco> jordanwb: yep yep i remember that trojan
[01:52] <Daekdroom> I think it was a LXDE installer or something
[01:52]  * maco points folks to the presentation on linux-security-for-normal people she gave 10 days ago --> http://www.slideshare.net/macoafi/security-4484394
[01:52] <Daekdroom> Anyway, I gotta go.
[01:52] <jordanwb> okay. Thanks guys
[01:53] <holstein> maco: cool :)
[02:21] <peterkls> ok the error im encountering is the following: "Fatal: Error inserting vesafb (/lib/modules/2.6.35-2-generic/kernel/drivers/video/vesafb.ko): No such device ALERT! does not exist. Dropping to a shell:". I also get a error similar to this that i cant copy because it just flashes then goes away. i do not know if this is the same error or not but i think so.
[02:27] <arand> peterkls: To be honest I don't know about the error, but it's at least material for a bug report, note down what you've tested, etc.
[02:27] <peterkls> yeap will do. Do i need ubuntu to file the bug?
[02:31] <peterkls> im going to ask same question in ubuntu to see if anyone else might have this problem
[02:33] <Sagaci> when will packages.ubuntu.com allow maverick packages to be searched, on the release date?
[02:39] <arand> Sagaci: It should be up, I think it might be a problem with the site code, which hasn't been fixed yet, for some reason..
[02:40] <Sagaci> arand: ah ok, that's for the response
[02:41] <arand> peterkls: No, You can report it directly, but if you at some point are able to boot the kernel it would of course be best to report it using "ubuntu-bug linux" to catch all relevant data regarding that specific kernel and hardware...
[02:49] <peterkls> roger that mate
[03:10] <yofel> peterkls: afaik that error usually means that the device is either not there, or already used by another module, are you sure there isn't another framebuffer module already loaded?
[03:10] <yofel> afaik vga16fb is loaded by default
[03:11] <peterkls> i read about using uvesafb instead of vesafb on bootup. how would i go about doing that?
[03:16] <yofel> well, vesafb should never be used as it's blacklisted, as for uvesafb, not sure
[03:16] <yofel> vga16fb works fine here
[03:17] <yofel> maybe blacklist vga16fb and add uvesafb to /etc/intramfs-tools/modules
[03:18] <peterkls> well im trying to just get into the live install and i had an error with vesafb and that uvesafb should be used
[03:19] <yofel> erm, vesafb is blacklisted, so a clean live disk will *never* use it
[03:19] <yofel> it shouldn't even attempt to use it
[03:19] <yofel> just curious, what are you trying to do?
[03:20] <peterkls> install 10.10 any way possible on my ideapad s10-3t since it supports most of the features of this netbook
[03:21] <yofel> ah
[03:24] <peterkls> im following ubuntu forums and someone got 10.10 on it, but he hasnt responded yet about it
[03:25] <DanaG> peterkls: add uvesafb to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, install v86d, and set grub to something like: video=uvesafb:mode_option=1024x768
[03:28] <peterkls> ok will try
[03:45] <peterkls> i just realized there is alternate maverick installs i can try
[04:17] <DanaG> "in  maverick we plan to have an upstart job that automatically spawns a  getty if a console= argument for a serial console is set on the kernel cmdline."
[04:17] <DanaG> Sweet.
[04:17] <DanaG> Now if only we could get that to also not disable plymouth splash... =þ
[04:25] <DanaG> s/also not/not also/
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[05:31] <peterkls> well the alternate isnt working either lol
[06:31] <knittl> yofel: yeah sure ^^ but i did a full-upgrade, that seemed to work
[07:10] <DanaG> Say, anyone know how to list all packages in a section such as "math"?
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[09:54] <DanaG> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-m-686-compile
[09:55] <DanaG> interesting... does that exclude AthlonXP?
[10:05] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Grub2BootFramebuffer
[10:06] <DanaG> say, why use vesafb and not uvesafb>
[10:06] <DanaG> ?
[10:07] <DanaG> It's a bummer vesafb can't do modeset.
[10:07] <DanaG> er, fbset.
[10:07] <DanaG> only uvesafb can.
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[11:16] <nperry> Anyone having any priblems with X
[11:16] <nperry> Seems that my left mouse button no longer works, checked two mouses and doing the same, works fine on my ucid boot
[11:17] <nperry> I'm able to right click
[11:17] <nperry> But after about ten mintues of X running the left button doesn't register
[11:19] <nperry> Anyone suggest something  to debug
[11:20] <nperry> Can't see much in logs
[11:20] <nperry> checking Xorg.log and dmesg
[11:30] <nperry> Going to see if xorg-edgers works
[12:23] <xapienz> hello, everybody! I have maverick; hotkeys like 'Alt-Fx' work in xserver and I can't use 'Alt-F2' for example to open a command window - in this case I'm directed to tty2. What should I do?
[12:27] <arand> xapienz: Report a bug. Dunno if it's the kernel for that..
[12:28] <xapienz> ok, I'll do that
[12:29]  * gnomefreak would have tried setting any key-combo back to default first :)
[12:30] <arand> Bleh, ctrl+alt+T is the worst accelerator ever.
[12:31] <xapienz> arand: what package should I report a bug for?
[12:34] <arand> I'm not sure, if you're not either, just report it against "ubuntu". #ubuntu-bugs might have more people knowing what the target should be..
[12:35]  * gnomefreak could be wrong but im thinking X controls keys and mouse?
[12:37] <xapienz> now I'm asking at #ubuntu-bugs)
[12:37] <xapienz> moreover, ctrl-alt-del restarts my computer
[12:38] <xapienz> alt-left moves me to tty6
[14:47] <T0rrent0w> hello geeks
[14:53] <om26er> hello! T0rrent0w
[15:00] <BUGabundo> Bom S. Joao. bbl
[15:53] <nanoguy> hello
[15:53] <nanoguy> what is new in the alpha?
[16:03] <yofel> nanoguy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview
[16:03] <nanoguy> thanks
[16:03] <yofel> a bit outdated though
[16:03] <yofel> we have kernel 2.6.35 and KDE 4.5b2 now
[16:04] <yofel> kde4.6rc1 should be released today
[16:04] <yofel> er... 4.5rc1
[16:04] <nanoguy> ok
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[17:28] <siegie> I'm testing kubuntu-maverick at the moment, but he starts with the plasma-netbook instead off the plasma-desktop
[17:30] <holstein> i remember getting the mythbuntu one somewhere in the alpha of lucid
[17:31] <holstein> OH
[17:31] <holstein> im thinking boot screens
[17:31] <holstein> NM
[17:33] <yofel> siegie: how large is your screen? I remember there being a change in kdebase-workspace that decides what to start on the screen size
[17:33] <yofel>   * Add kubuntu_108_plasma_netbook_for_small_screens.diff to start
[17:33] <yofel>     plasma-netbook instead of plasma-desktop if screen size is small
[17:33] <siegie> yofel: 1280x800
[17:34] <yofel> let me check what that actually does...
[17:38] <yofel> hm, that's kdebase-workspace | 4:4.4.85-0ubuntu5 though
[17:39] <yofel> ah, it is built on i386
[17:39] <siegie> yofel: i've found a way to set i back to the plasma-desktop, in system-settings. But it strange that he starts with the netbook interface the first time
[17:39] <siegie> Anyway i've amd64
[17:39] <yofel> but looking at the patch it should only start netbook if the screen is smaller than 700 :/
[17:40] <yofel> maybe ubuntu4 is broken and that's supposed to fix it
[17:43] <siegie> yofel: i'm using 4:4.4.85-0ubuntu4  and i'm using the main archive
[17:45] <siegie> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu5 > amd64 is still building. So i hope the problem is solved then. Thanks yofel
[17:52] <Andre_Gondim> I did not find sun-java6-plugins to use in Firefox, does anyone know about it?
[17:55] <yofel> hm, seems to be missing in maverick/partner
[17:56] <Andre_Gondim> I tried to use lucid partner, but I didn't find it
[17:57] <yofel> that should work though
[17:57] <yofel>  *** 6.20dlj-1ubuntu3 0
[17:57] <yofel>        -400 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ lucid/partner Packages
[18:42] <duffydack> btrfs still isnt available in the daily installer.  any ideas when it will appear?
[18:43] <gnomefreak> duffydack: before oct.
[18:43] <gnomefreak> if it will be there
[18:46] <Pici> duffydack: cwatson's email from 2 days ago suggested that btrfs was available in the daily.  I don't know if that was restricted to the alternate installer. It warns that you cannot use that filesystem for /boot though
[18:50] <gnomefreak> oh i did see that i think
[18:50] <duffydack> thats what I dont get, he says its available now, and some people are saying 'alternate installed' but there isnt one for daily
[18:50] <Pici> duffydack: ask him?
[18:50] <gnomefreak> duffydack: alt installer has been having issues and its not posted everyday
[18:51] <gnomefreak> i posted a commanet/question to dev-disuss list
[18:51] <gnomefreak> discuss
[18:51] <duffydack> doh, i guess I dont look very hard..i`ll try this alternate..
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[19:41] <DanaG> Heh, if I enable the volume-control sound, it plays the sound about 5-10 times per second while I hold my volume softkey.
[19:41] <DanaG> It makes it sound like brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrup
[19:41] <DanaG> And it uses 100% CPU while doing so.
[19:41] <DanaG> =þ
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