| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, RAOF, TheMuso, Eastern Edition? | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| robert_ancell | yup | 00:04 |
| TheMuso | rickspencer3: Sure. | 00:04 |
| rickspencer3 | so, I have been pinned down all day, and haven't gotten back to the wiki :/ | 00:05 |
| rickspencer3 | twice in a row is a pattern, I gues | 00:05 |
| TheMuso | heh | 00:05 |
| rickspencer3 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-06-22 | 00:05 |
| rickspencer3 | let me get the irc logs, because I missed the 2nd have where seb128 went over release status | 00:06 |
| rickspencer3 | I'll let you know when I've gotten the wiki updated | 00:06 |
| RAOF | :) | 00:10 |
| rickspencer3 | alright | 00:13 |
| rickspencer3 | so I got the irc logs on their, and fixed the conflict I created :/ | 00:13 |
| rickspencer3 | shall we rock through the agenda real quick? | 00:13 |
| TheMuso | Sure. | 00:13 |
| RAOF | Sounds good. | 00:13 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, started with oneconf testing | 00:14 |
| rickspencer3 | didier got some feedback on this | 00:14 |
| rickspencer3 | it needs a UI design, then will be added to A3 | 00:14 |
| rickspencer3 | next was Guadec | 00:15 |
| rickspencer3 | https://wiki.canonical.com/Marketing/Events/2010/GUADEC | 00:15 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, I think you are going, and are on the wiki, I don't think RAOF or TheMuso are going, right? | 00:15 |
| TheMuso | Correct, I am not. | 00:15 |
| RAOF | Right. | 00:15 |
| rickspencer3 | k | 00:15 |
| rickspencer3 | next is the sprint | 00:15 |
| rickspencer3 | I assume everyone has travel booked | 00:15 |
| rickspencer3 | if not, get it booked, please | 00:16 |
| TheMuso | Yep | 00:16 |
| rickspencer3 | and don't forget to add yourself to the wiki | 00:16 |
| robert_ancell | what is the wiki link? | 00:16 |
| rickspencer3 | also, start to think of some good goals for there | 00:16 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, I think marianna sent it to us n email | 00:16 |
| * TheMuso grabs | 00:16 | |
| rickspencer3 | ping me if you can't find it | 00:16 |
| rickspencer3 | nm | 00:16 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks TheMuso | 00:16 |
| TheMuso | https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/Sprints/Maverick | 00:17 |
| rickspencer3 | you can read the update sections yourselves, but I'll tough on some highlights | 00:17 |
| * TheMuso double-checks that he is on there | 00:17 | |
| rickspencer3 | you might want to check out Inidcator-network | 00:17 |
| rickspencer3 | it's pretty cool | 00:17 |
| rickspencer3 | there is a link for instructions there | 00:17 |
| rickspencer3 | note that it lacks modem support and other essential thing | 00:18 |
| rickspencer3 | s | 00:18 |
| * TheMuso might just do so once he upgrades to maverick later today. | 00:18 | |
| rickspencer3 | the sound indicator is pretty cool now | 00:19 |
| rickspencer3 | it's got the player UI built in | 00:19 |
| * TheMuso read that. | 00:19 | |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 00:19 |
| rickspencer3 | so, for release status, we're under the trend line, so keep resolving those work items | 00:20 |
| rickspencer3 | but land new features by Thursday! | 00:20 |
| rickspencer3 | this Thursday, that is | 00:20 |
| rickspencer3 | that will give us a week to stabelize and have a rocking Alpha | 00:20 |
| TheMuso | yep | 00:20 |
| rickspencer3 | for A3, we are going to shoot for 80 work items, distributed reasonably across the team .. | 00:21 |
| rickspencer3 | basically, sign up for about as many work items as you did in A2 | 00:21 |
| rickspencer3 | remember, it's very cool to do *more* work items than you targeted | 00:21 |
| rickspencer3 | but if you sign up for too many work items, and end up punting a lot, | 00:21 |
| rickspencer3 | while kittens won't die, it just makes the team a bit less predictable | 00:22 |
| rickspencer3 | I think that was the meeting | 00:22 |
| rickspencer3 | questions? | 00:22 |
| TheMuso | No | 00:22 |
| RAOF | None here. | 00:22 |
| robert_ancell | no | 00:23 |
| rickspencer3 | sweet | 00:23 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks guyses | 00:23 |
| TheMuso | welcome | 00:23 |
| RAOF | lifeless: I notice you've got a couple of your patches in our X tree that aren't seeing any action upstream. Would you like me to do the wrangling required to get them into mainline? | 02:10 |
| robert_ancell | ok, time to upgrade to maverick. Fingers crossed I will still be here in 10 minutes :) | 02:25 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: Will be doing that shortly myself. | 02:37 |
| RAOF | If you'd like a more pleasant OpenGL + dual-head experience in your shiny new Maverick installs, I'd suggest sponsoring http://cooperteam.net/Packages/xorg-server_1.8.1.902-0ubuntu1_source.changes :) | 03:36 |
| * RAOF → luncheon | 03:36 | |
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| TheMuso | RAOF: Will take a look. | 04:28 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: uploaded | 05:12 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: Rocking. Thanks! | 05:12 |
| TheMuso | np | 05:12 |
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| RAOF | Gah. Dear Lenovo/DHL: My address isn't, and has never been, 6 Lochner street. I gave you my correct address when ordering, damnit! | 06:30 |
| TheMuso | lol | 06:31 |
| RAOF | That does explain rather well why they haven't delivered my base station yet :) | 06:34 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:14 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Good morning. | 07:14 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Incidentally, if you want any help with Banshee, I've hacked on it before so I'm reasonably familiar with the ins and outs. | 07:15 |
| didrocks | good morning RAOF | 07:18 |
| didrocks | RAOF: oh sweet! | 07:18 |
| didrocks | RAOF: did you see my "help" from the banshee ML? | 07:19 |
| didrocks | (maybe you answered, I haven't read my email still) | 07:19 |
| RAOF | I need to investigate why I don't appear to be getting any mail from the banshee ML. Otherwise, I would have :) | 07:20 |
| TheMuso | Quick question. What program is used to design/edit .ui files for GTK apps? | 07:20 |
| didrocks | RAOF: oh ok, let me pastebin it, one sec | 07:21 |
| didrocks | TheMuso: glade | 07:21 |
| TheMuso | Oh ok its still glade, thanks. | 07:21 |
| didrocks | yeah, it doesn't use libglade but gtkbuilder, but the application is still glade :) | 07:22 |
| TheMuso | ok | 07:22 |
| didrocks | RAOF: this is this thread: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/banshee-list/2010-June/msg00069.html | 07:23 |
| didrocks | RAOF: I have pending changes, maybe I should merge it in the ubuntu package first? | 07:23 |
| didrocks | RAOF: btw, is there a good way to enable a plugin by default? | 07:24 |
| RAOF | didrocks: From memory there's a key you can flip to “true” in the .addin.xml | 07:24 |
| didrocks | RAOF: ok, it's in the xml file, I've seen that. I was wondering of a gconf key to avoid a patch, but well :) | 07:25 |
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| fta2 | didrocks, evo crashed several times when idle | 07:30 |
| fta2 | somewhere deep in pango/gtk | 07:31 |
| didrocks | fta2: it seems you really have no luck, a lot of people I know using maverick and using it just have it crashing on some emails (most of time, event update). I have runned it full day before A1 and don't have those crashers too… | 07:32 |
| didrocks | fta2: stacktrace and report upstream is the easiest way for now as they are preparing .3 | 07:32 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:33 |
| fta2 | didrocks, from experience, upstream doesn't care enough | 07:34 |
| seb128 | hello | 07:34 |
| didrocks | hey pitti, salut seb128 | 07:34 |
| seb128 | hey there | 07:35 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks, pitti | 07:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, how are you? | 07:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: I'm fine thanks, they shut down the "automatic advertisement panel" in the wall next to my bedroom and making a lot of noise since a week. Easier to sleep well :-) | 07:36 |
| seb128 | nice | 07:37 |
| didrocks | and you? | 07:37 |
| seb128 | didrocks, could you do the evince and the brasero updates when you have time? | 07:37 |
| seb128 | no hurry, quite some sru are already in the queue | 07:37 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, maybe not today, but, we'll see how things go :) | 07:38 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ie just add those to your list for the week | 07:38 |
| seb128 | right, no hurry | 07:38 |
| didrocks | added :-) | 07:38 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks, seb128 | 07:38 |
| seb128 | didrocks, then I think I will stop bothering you with srus | 07:38 |
| pitti | seb128: early for you :) | 07:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, yeah, I've people measuring my flat right now | 07:38 |
| seb128 | they are rewritting the paper which describes the building rules and need to know what % of the building each flat has | 07:39 |
| didrocks | oh oh, that was the answer for the early connection:-) | 07:42 |
| seb128 | hum, they are done, I will go out to buy some coffee, back in half an hour | 07:42 |
| didrocks | seb128: enjoy | 07:42 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, not sure if you have seen the other day but the debian guys were asking if the gobject-introspection diff you added is really required,they said those files should not be installed by default | 07:43 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 07:43 |
| seb128 | ok, going, bbl | 07:43 |
| robert_ancell | hi, bye! | 07:43 |
| didrocks | bye robert_ancell | 07:47 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, no, that was for seb, he pings me and dissapears :) | 07:48 |
| didrocks | oh ok ;) | 07:48 |
| robert_ancell | why are you guys here early? | 07:49 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: I'm more or less there approximately at this hour everyday :-) | 07:51 |
| RAOF | Dear lord my x200's LCD is stupendously blue-shifted when uncalibrated. | 08:10 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, still here? Can you sponsor metacity? | 08:12 |
| robert_ancell | desrt, ping | 08:15 |
| seb128 | re | 08:21 |
| lifeless | RAOF: nice | 08:23 |
| lifeless | RAOF: how much slower does it go ? | 08:23 |
| RAOF | lifeless: About .6c | 08:24 |
| lifeless | \o/ | 08:25 |
| lifeless | (you got the joke, and got it the right way around :)) | 08:26 |
| RAOF | :) | 08:27 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yeah, saw that. Those files need to be packaged somewhere so python-gi can run make check, or python-gi needs to be modified | 08:27 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, hey | 08:27 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok, so it's only a testsuite thing, maybe they should be in a new binary or something | 08:27 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I will discuss that with the debian guys | 08:28 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, how are you otherwise? | 08:28 |
| robert_ancell | good. Fixing up debhelper to do the gsettings stuff. I've updated my main desktop to maverick now so will properly start stressing dconf | 08:29 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, did you have a look at the compiz packaging? | 08:30 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, nice, I plan to do that this week as well | 08:31 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, no, but I can do that today | 08:31 |
| robert_ancell | cool, please sponsor metacity too | 08:31 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I've been busy doing 2.30.2 updates sru | 08:31 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ^ could you sponsor this one? | 08:31 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, btw when is the next meeting for you to get upload rights? ;-) | 08:32 |
| robert_ancell | the last meeting no-one turned up. And they're 1am my time, I've asked if I can have it earlier but no response | 08:32 |
| robert_ancell | I think there's one tonight? | 08:32 |
| didrocks | I'll have a look at metacity, right | 08:33 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, dunno but I can try to check | 08:33 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, speaking about GNOME3, do you think we should try to get gtkapplication in 2.22? would make easier to build new versions on gtk2 | 08:38 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, upstream would be nice but otherwise we can maybe backport that to our gtk? | 08:39 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, I haven't looked at the code yet, but my guess is it should be easy to port? I think we should do it if that is the case | 08:39 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, not sure how busy is your todolist, would you be interest by looking to that when you have a free slot? | 08:39 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yup, I'll take that | 08:39 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, thanks | 08:40 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, don't forget to write your dconf mir as well btw, it's your remaining alpha2 workitem ;-) | 08:40 |
| robert_ancell | I just did it | 08:40 |
| seb128 | waouh | 08:40 |
| robert_ancell | bug #597562 | 08:40 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 597562 in d-conf (Ubuntu) "[MIR] d-conf (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597562 | 08:40 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok, so we can get that promoted when something starts recommending or depending on it | 08:42 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hey, I think we now need glib-compile-schemas always installed, what binary package should it go in? I don't want to put it in glib2.0-0 as it's not strictly required for runtime, but I don't want to put it in glib2.0-bin as that would drag in some other unneeded binaries | 08:43 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, is there any system where -bin will not be installed? | 08:44 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I would put it in -bin | 08:44 |
| robert_ancell | I didn't have it installed, and nothing depends on it currently | 08:46 |
| robert_ancell | it contains: gio-querymodules (?), gsettings (gconftool equivalent) and gdbus (?) | 08:47 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: from my last merge from debian you added rules in debian/rules but didn't commented that in the changelog, is it on purpose? | 08:47 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, whoops, I've pushed an update | 08:49 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: sweet, thanks (and think to use UNRELEASED) :) | 08:49 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, well, I did release it, then forgot it's not an ubuntu-desktop pacakge | 08:50 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: oh? so, debcommit -r for tagging (previous version was untagged too) :) | 08:51 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, the first one is required for everything using gio, lazy loading depends on that | 08:51 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, ok, I'll move it to -bin | 08:51 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, rather everything installing a .so in /usr/lib/gio | 08:51 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, but we need that for registering those, so we can be pretty sure -bin will be installed | 08:51 |
| robert_ancell | oh, I read rdepends wrong, libglib2.0-0 recommends it so it must be installed | 08:52 |
| robert_ancell | ok, will update | 08:52 |
| seb128 | thanks | 08:53 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, can you sponsor the new glib? | 09:00 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, yes | 09:02 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, why the | 09:03 |
| seb128 | + libglib2.0-dev (<< 2.25.2) | 09:03 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, you also want to change the control.in not the control | 09:04 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, forgot to push the commit that did that, it's pushed now | 09:04 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok, seems fine now | 09:05 |
| robert_ancell | I always stuff that up... I wish we didn't have to commit built files like that | 09:06 |
| seb128 | I wish we didn't have to build file like that | 09:06 |
| fta2 | didrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/453797/ | 09:07 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: debian/control and debian/rules are pretty much the only two files which _must_ exist in a source package ;) | 09:08 |
| pitti | but control.in is unnerving indeed, I keep tripping over it as well | 09:08 |
| seb128 | pitti, nowadays there is a warning in the control to say it's autogenerated ;-) | 09:09 |
| seb128 | but still, right | 09:09 |
| pitti | right, that bit is nice | 09:09 |
| pitti | debclean adds it automatically while updating control | 09:10 |
| didrocks | fta2: doesn't seem really obvious to me (and furthemore that I don't reproduce it there), you say it's when you are idled as well? Maybe, try to deactivate the calendar if you use it and MAPI extension if you use them | 09:10 |
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| seb128 | pitti, still working on gnome-panel? | 09:22 |
| pitti | seb128: no, I'm done | 09:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, I'm about to update it to 2.30.2 so checking if you still do changes before doing that | 09:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok thanks | 09:22 |
| pitti | cheers | 09:22 |
| pitti | seb128: some cleanup was in order :) | 09:22 |
| seb128 | indeed! | 09:22 |
| seb128 | it's the nice thing after the lts | 09:23 |
| seb128 | you can clean a bunch of hacks ;-) | 09:23 |
| pitti | didrocks: it seems that on curren unity, g-s-d still loads the background image; wasn't unity doing that as well? | 09:28 |
| pitti | i. e. do we load it twice now? | 09:28 |
| alf__ | didrocks: Hi! Did you get a chance to look at my clutter latest-with-eglx and clutter add-symbols branches? | 09:29 |
| didrocks | pitti: g-s-d is drawing is in the background and unity is copying it to its actor | 09:29 |
| pitti | didrocks: ah, thanks | 09:29 |
| didrocks | alf__: no, too much stuff right now, promess, it's on my list for this week :) (probably after freeze) | 09:29 |
| alf__ | didrocks: No problem, thanks! | 09:30 |
| didrocks | alf__: I'll ping you in any case :) | 09:30 |
| pitti | didrocks, seb128: shouldn't indicator-applet{,-session} depend on something like gnome-panel | unity instead of just gnome-panel? | 09:59 |
| pitti | seems UNE is pulling in gnome-{applets,panel} and libgweather etc. just for this | 09:59 |
| seb128 | pitti, the indicators do depends on indicator-applet | indicator-renderer | 09:59 |
| seb128 | pitti, unity provides indicator-renderer | 09:59 |
| pitti | ok, not in the lucid version then | 10:00 |
| seb128 | we had some bugs | 10:00 |
| didrocks | should be ok in maverick now | 10:00 |
| pitti | ok, thanks; I'll backport that then | 10:00 |
| didrocks | but we still have gnome-panel in UNE CD, didn't have the time to investigate the cause | 10:00 |
| seb128 | pitti, bug #595862 | 10:01 |
| pitti | didrocks: gnome-session depends on it; that seems not justified? | 10:01 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 595862 in indicator-me (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Fix remaining dependency issues (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595862 | 10:01 |
| didrocks | pitti: hum, I don't know why there is that dep, should be a reason | 10:01 |
| seb128 | didrocks, pitti: because it's in the required components list | 10:02 |
| didrocks | pitti: also, I'm not sure we want to remove it, as there is still the GNOME session present in GDM | 10:02 |
| seb128 | ie the gconf key for things to start with the session | 10:02 |
| didrocks | oh right, the gconf setting we override in unity | 10:02 |
| seb128 | I guess it could be a recommends | 10:03 |
| seb128 | ie Recommends: gnome-panel | unity | 10:03 |
| didrocks | but still, we maybe want a gnome-panel or forbid to use the GNOME session in GDM unless we have something to run :) | 10:03 |
| pitti | didrocks: right, but it seems wrong for gnome-session to depend on it | 10:08 |
| didrocks | pitti: sure, alternatively depending on unity sounds good | 10:09 |
| didrocks | (well, recommend) | 10:09 |
| pitti | *nod* | 10:09 |
| pitti | cheers | 10:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, well gnome-session try to run gnome-panel so it should be installed, but recommends woulkd do | 10:09 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, good point | 10:09 |
| pitti | but don't we use it for unity as well? | 10:09 |
| seb128 | <seb128> I guess it could be a recommends | 10:10 |
| seb128 | ie Recommends: gnome-panel | unity | 10:10 |
| pitti | right | 10:10 |
| pitti | doing that then, thanks | 10:10 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:10 |
| huats | morning | 10:32 |
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| pitti | didrocks: hm, no Vcs-Bzr: in unity? are we using the lp:ubuntu/unity thing now? | 10:58 |
| didrocks | pitti: not yet, it's my long term plan, but we have to update the hudson recipe for this | 10:59 |
| didrocks | pitti: for now, you will find everything in ~unity-team | 10:59 |
| pitti | didrocks: just asking because indicator-applet-session still depends on gnome-panel in current bzr | 11:00 |
| pitti | and I wanted to check the provides in unity | 11:00 |
| pitti | didrocks: thanks, checking out that | 11:00 |
| didrocks | pitti: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/packaging/annotate/head:/debian/control | 11:01 |
| didrocks | Provides: indicator-renderer, | 11:01 |
| pitti | right, pulling that one | 11:01 |
| pitti | didrocks: ok, I'll add that to the i-a-s dependencies then, cheers! | 11:01 |
| didrocks | pitti: thanks :) | 11:02 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 11:02 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, hello, how are you? | 11:25 |
| chrisccoulson | hi seb128, i'm good thanks (but busy). how are you? | 11:25 |
| chrisccoulson | did you see we have a firefox release now? ;) | 11:25 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks | 11:25 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, yes, so checking with you what is planned next now | 11:26 |
| chrisccoulson | i discussed it with jdstrand last night, and there don't appear to be any really critical CVE's, so we're going to try and push all releases out at the same time | 11:26 |
| chrisccoulson | but there are still some blockers on that | 11:27 |
| seb128 | is there any reason to not upload to maverick now to start? | 11:27 |
| chrisccoulson | the first one being that the icedtea plugin in jaunty and karmic don't work in the new version of firefox | 11:27 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i will probably upload to maverick shortly | 11:27 |
| seb128 | ok, nice | 11:27 |
| seb128 | what is the rational to block the lucid update on jaunty and karmic issues? | 11:27 |
| seb128 | is uploading everything in one go making cve work easier? | 11:28 |
| chrisccoulson | i think it's less work for jdstrand (he only has to do one USN then) | 11:28 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:28 |
| seb128 | and do we have any estimation how much work it will take to resolve the blockers? | 11:28 |
| seb128 | do you need some help on those? | 11:28 |
| chrisccoulson | we're discussing what to do with openjdk via e-mail at the moment, and i'll talk to jdstrand again once he's back online | 11:29 |
| chrisccoulson | the other blocker was epiphany, but i'm about to upload a fix for that | 11:29 |
| chrisccoulson | we've abandoned backporting the webkit version for now, as it's too buggy | 11:29 |
| chrisccoulson | but the current version failed to start completely after the upgrade | 11:29 |
| seb128 | hum ok | 11:30 |
| seb128 | I will let you work for now | 11:30 |
| chrisccoulson | but that's fixed now ;) | 11:30 |
| seb128 | I'm not convinced we should block lucid updates for jaunty icedtea issues or epiphany bugs in older versions | 11:30 |
| seb128 | but we can discuss that later on when jdstrand is online | 11:30 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, thanks | 11:31 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, hi | 11:34 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, you have a work items for alpha2 on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/design-m-wallpaper-competition, is that still on track? | 11:34 |
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| tseliot | james_w: is it possible to prevent bzr from downloading some (new) files when performing a merge? This would be useful when I merge from lp:ubuntu/nvidia-graphics-drivers but I don't want to download the binary blobs | 12:45 |
| * tseliot -> lunch | 12:45 | |
| james_w | tseliot: no, there's not | 12:45 |
| tseliot | james_w: do you know if git has such feature? | 12:46 |
| tseliot | e.g. the ignore file | 12:46 |
| james_w | I don't think so | 12:47 |
| tseliot | ok, thanks | 12:47 |
| TheMuso | seb128: I need to talk to/work with Connor for that, I'll send him an email tomorrow morning when I am more awake to chase it up. | 12:59 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, hey, ok, thanks | 13:01 |
| ogra | seb128, did dyfet talk to you about gobject-introspection ? i took a short look just now and to me it seems that the fix for bug 510426 broke it on armel | 13:06 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 510426 in gobject-introspection (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Everything-1.0.typelib not built in libgirepository1.0-dev (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510426 | 13:06 |
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| seb128 | ogra, no he didn't | 13:07 |
| ogra | 0.6.12-1 built successfully, 0.6.12-1ubuntu1 ftbfs | 13:07 |
| seb128 | ogra, it's only a .install change | 13:08 |
| seb128 | I doubt it break the build | 13:08 |
| ogra | well, the failure is in the checks | 13:08 |
| seb128 | it likely broke because of some other library which got updated in between | 13:08 |
| ogra | you add new .typelib files | 13:08 |
| seb128 | the checks are made before the dh_install run | 13:08 |
| seb128 | no? | 13:08 |
| seb128 | there is no dh_install in the build log | 13:09 |
| ogra | oh, right, weird | 13:09 |
| seb128 | I fail to see how a .install change would break it | 13:09 |
| seb128 | I think it's due a change in a build-depends | 13:09 |
| ogra | yeah, likely | 13:09 |
| qense | Does anyone know whether Conor Curran is on IRC and what his nick name is? | 13:51 |
| jpds | qense: ronoc. | 13:53 |
| qense | jpds: Ok, thanks. | 13:53 |
| didrocks | seb128: FYI, I just wrote the MIR for zg and uploaded 0.4.0 into maverick (bug #597687). We should have it promoted for next unity release (file place will use it) | 13:58 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 597687 in zeitgeist (Ubuntu) "[MIR] zeitgeist (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597687 | 13:58 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I guess we will keep promoting things and targetting the mir bugs for beta | 13:59 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, I'll have a tour now to all MIR to ensure they are targeted to beta | 13:59 |
| seb128 | thanks | 13:59 |
| didrocks | yw | 13:59 |
| didrocks | the 3 others packages are ready and MIR are written. Just waiting next release and we are all set :) | 13:59 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you want me to review those already now? | 14:01 |
| didrocks | seb128: sure, one sec, putting you a list ready | 14:01 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:01 |
| qense | davidbarth: I'm kind of on Sound Menu support for Banshee right now. Alex Launi said he might work on it when I asked about MPRIS support in Banshee. If not, I'll look if anyone else is doing it and otherwise I could give it a try myself. When that's done I'll write a plugin to register Banshee with the Ayatana server. | 14:03 |
| qense | Which seems fairly simple, judging from the Rhythmbox patch. | 14:03 |
| qense | libindicate has already got C# bindings. | 14:03 |
| didrocks | seb128: thank to you :) | 14:04 |
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| didrocks | qense: sounds great ;) talking about that, I've assigned you a bug report (hyperair told me that you would agree), about the current indicator being broken in maverick (even with yesterday's rebuild). If you can have a look, no hurry though :) | 14:05 |
| qense | didrocks: Even with the rebuild? | 14:06 |
| qense | I'm afraid I marked that bug as a duplicate. | 14:06 |
| qense | Are you sure the update is installed? | 14:06 |
| didrocks | qense: oh really? let me look (it was a few hours ago) | 14:06 |
| qense | You need 1.6.1 | 14:06 |
| qense | My system still has 1.6.0, so I guess it's not on all mirrors yet. | 14:07 |
| qense | and I'm using the main archives | 14:07 |
| didrocks | qense: oh? 1.6.1, ok, forget it for now so :) | 14:07 |
| didrocks | sorry for the trouble, I'll reopen it if needed | 14:07 |
| qense | didrocks: Not a problem, thank you for spending time on it! | 14:07 |
| davidbarth | qense: ah, that'd be great | 14:08 |
| didrocks | qense: yw, I really hope it will be easy for you to achieve the soundmenu integration :) | 14:08 |
| davidbarth | ronoc: cool, you're there; qense is interested in working on the banshee integration | 14:09 |
| qense | By the way, Bernard just pointed me at what seems to be an existing MPRIS plugin under development. | 14:09 |
| ronoc | davidbarth: great | 14:09 |
| ronoc | qense: excellent, have you taken a look at the libindicate registration | 14:10 |
| qense | ronoc: You just need MPRIS and a registration? | 14:10 |
| qense | ronoc: I did look at your Rhythmbxo aptch. | 14:10 |
| ronoc | qense: pretty much | 14:10 |
| qense | http://gitorious.org/~bl8/banshee/bl8-clone/commits/mpris | 14:10 |
| qense | It's not in HEAD yet, but it is something. | 14:10 |
| qense | This is the bug report: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570841 | 14:11 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 570841 in general "Support the MPRIS D-Bus interface" [Normal,New] | 14:11 |
| ronoc | qense: there is a version two of the spec coming up which will support playlists etc but for now mpris v1 will also be supported | 14:11 |
| qense | Bertrand said he was working to get v2 support. | 14:11 |
| bl8 | ronoc: Hey, you might also be interested in this : http://ubuntuone.com/p/7X5/ ;) | 14:11 |
| qense | He's even here! | 14:12 |
| qense | and it is already done :P | 14:12 |
| qense | I don't even have to do anything anymore now. Bertrand has done it already. | 14:12 |
| ronoc | qense: I have to add a few more things to the registration mechanism but it ain't complicated | 14:12 |
| ronoc | bl8: good stuff! | 14:12 |
| ronoc | qense, bl8: just need to take a quick lunch - will brb | 14:13 |
| qense | bl8: So basically you're almost done now with Sound Menu support? | 14:13 |
| qense | bl8: Where will the Ayatana registration code go? In a separate extension in the main Banshee developer repository? | 14:14 |
| qense | bl8: Also: what should we do with Banshee.AppIndicator in the community extensions? Remove it or keep it for people that still want to use it? | 14:14 |
| bl8 | qense: I don't really know, I'm still a bit fuzzy on how this will all fit together | 14:15 |
| qense | ok | 14:15 |
| qense | Lucid won't ship the Sound Menu, but it does ship Banshee.AppIndicator, so it might be a good idea to keep it around for that. | 14:15 |
| qense | Just to be able to fix bugs, etc. | 14:15 |
| bl8 | For now I've created a new SoundMenu extension in the community extensions repo | 14:15 |
| qense | ok | 14:15 |
| bl8 | qense: http://gitorious.org/banshee-community-extensions/banshee-community-extensions/commits/soundmenu | 14:16 |
| qense | thanks | 14:16 |
| qense | bl8: We should get this in Maverick ASAP so it can be tested. How stable do you reckon the MPRIS and SoundMenu extensions are? | 14:17 |
| bl8 | qense: MPRIS has a few bits missing, and I'm sure sure about some parts of it. SoundMenu doesn't do anything interesting for now, just registers | 14:19 |
| qense | That's all what the Banshee.SoundMenu equivalent for Rhythmbox does as well for now, so that's not a problem. | 14:20 |
| qense | but it is easy to make sure it works correctly. | 14:20 |
| tseliot | james_w: wouldn't adding ignore patterns (.bzrignore) solve my problem? | 14:20 |
| james_w | tseliot: not if the files are versioned | 14:20 |
| tseliot | james_w: they can be named NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-256.25.run, etc. but I can use a pattern such as NVIDIA-Linux*.run . Wouldn't this work? | 14:22 |
| james_w | tseliot: if bzr versions the files then it has to copy them around. .bzrignore is just to tell bzr what it shouldn't automatically version when you run "bzr add" | 14:25 |
| tseliot | james_w: aah, I see your point now. Too bad | 14:25 |
| tseliot | james_w: so, in my case, I guess I'll have to merge from lp:ubuntu/nvidia-graphics-drivers, remove the binaries, commit and push to my branch | 14:28 |
| james_w | tseliot: yes | 14:29 |
| james_w | you will still have the binaries in the history and so still push them around, but you won't see them in your branch any more | 14:29 |
| tseliot | james_w: err... my main problem is a rather low upload bandwidth | 14:30 |
| ronoc | qense, bl8: there is a little more additions to the registration to be added to allow the application to be started if is not running from the menu. I will do a release tomorrow which hopefully will have this libindicate stuff implemented, we can upgrade and test all of this early next week from the client side | 14:32 |
| tseliot | i.e. I'd like not to upload 100 Mb every time the driver is updated and I need to sync my branch with Ubuntu's | 14:32 |
| qense | ronoc: Sounds great. | 14:32 |
| qense | bl8: It seems you've arranged everything already. However, if you do happen to need some help, I'd be happy to help you. | 14:32 |
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| ronoc | qense, bl8: I know mirsal was putting the finishing touches to the spec for mpris v2 over last w/end. I have yet to catch up with him this week though. Will ping you once I know more. | 14:35 |
| qense | ok | 14:36 |
| jcastro | htorque: can you update and see if you are still getting checkmarks instead of dots? | 15:01 |
| htorque | jcastro: 0.2.10-0ubuntu1? | 15:03 |
| htorque | jcastro: unity | 15:04 |
| jcastro | 0.0.7 of appmenu-gtk and 0.0.6 of indicator-appmenu | 15:05 |
| htorque | jcastro: they are up-to-date, will check some apps | 15:06 |
| htorque | jcastro: hm, still present in eg. gnome-system-monitor, cheese | 15:10 |
| jcastro | indeed, seems to work in gedit for me | 15:11 |
| htorque | in gedit "View > Highlight Mode" do you see a dot next to "Plain Text"? | 15:14 |
| jcastro | yup | 15:14 |
| htorque | i don't | 15:14 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, you don't like notify-osd then? ;-) | 15:19 |
| kenvandine | htorque, works in gedit for me but not gnome-terminal | 15:20 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, no, I don't :) | 15:20 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, reading your comment about not forgetting actions on notifications | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | htorque, ignore me... :) was confused with submenus | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | i do not see a dot | 15:20 |
| htorque | kenvandine, i cannot access any submenu, it just pops up, no highlight - will try a clean maverick install later | 15:21 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, for some notifications, just displaying a message, it's ok, but not for other cases | 15:21 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, like for instance what we want to do on u1 when the user runs out of space on the cloud | 15:21 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, we've gone to the show-a-dialog-with-buttons route because of that | 15:21 |
| rodrigo_ | and the dialog is bad also, so a notification with actions would solve it | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | actually i do see a dot... plain text just wasn't selected | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | htorque, in the submenu | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | htorque, which i get in gedit, but not gnome-terminal | 15:21 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, you should talk to mpt or the design team | 15:21 |
| htorque | kenvandine, in gnome-terminal most submenus are broken here | 15:22 |
| jcastro | kenvandine: me too | 15:22 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, they believe that actions in bubble are wrong for this because they go away and you might miss those if you don't watch the screen for a few seconds | 15:22 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, what is wrong with opening a dialog? | 15:22 |
| kenvandine | rodrigo_, bratsche has something we want to use for those kinds of things, but i don't think it is ready | 15:22 |
| kenvandine | morphing windows | 15:22 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, well, it just shows up in the user's face when doing something unrelated | 15:23 |
| rodrigo_ | also, notifications with actions could have the option to stay there, until the user has selected an action | 15:23 |
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| seb128 | rodrigo_, it should not, focus prevention should be working and it should go background and claim for attention in the taskbar | 15:23 |
| bratsche | rodrigo_: Yeah, mpt designed a morphing message dialog which I have code for. It's not merged in yet but it will be soon. You're welcome to take a peek at it to see if it suits your purposes. | 15:24 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, well, then they would not be different from a dialog... | 15:24 |
| * htorque is off for a maverick install ;-) | 15:24 | |
| rodrigo_ | bratsche, oh, yes, where can I see it? | 15:24 |
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| rodrigo_ | seb128, well, they will, since they don't show up in the middle of the screen | 15:24 |
| rodrigo_ | or even better, there might be just an icon flashing asking for user's attention, rather than leaving the notification in the screen | 15:25 |
| bratsche | rodrigo_: There are a couple things it's not doing correctly yet.. but I've got a branch here: lp:~bratsche/ido/messagedialog | 15:25 |
| rodrigo_ | bratsche, ok, looking | 15:25 |
| bratsche | rodrigo_: If it's useful to you I'll go ahead and get it merged into trunk asap and fix up the minor issues next. | 15:27 |
| bratsche | rodrigo_: mpt's specification is on here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines | 15:27 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, did you read the notify-osd design document? | 15:28 |
| seb128 | what bratsche said | 15:28 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, no | 15:28 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, read the page bratsche just indicated | 15:29 |
| rodrigo_ | bratsche, seb128: the morphing windows look better, yeah | 15:43 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 15:43 |
| rodrigo_ | but they'll still show up in the middle of the screen? | 15:43 |
| rodrigo_ | I mean for notifications from apps without a parent window? | 15:44 |
| bratsche | rodrigo_: They'll show up wherever a normal dialog would I guess. Which is partly up to the WM I think? | 15:45 |
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| htorque | jcastro: fresh maverick install and i don't see a bullet point in gedit (nor do submenus work) | 15:58 |
| seb128 | hum | 16:19 |
| seb128 | pedro_, ola! ;-) | 16:19 |
| pedro_ | seb128, salut ! | 16:19 |
| seb128 | pedro_, could you help validating the gtk and gdm sru updates? | 16:20 |
| seb128 | mvo, hey | 16:20 |
| mvo | hey | 16:20 |
| seb128 | mvo, do you have facilities to test karmic or lucid upgrades? the current gtk sru fixes a file conflict issue, I'm trying to find somebody to validate it | 16:21 |
| seb128 | mvo, where file conflicts is a files which moved from a binary to an another one | 16:21 |
| seb128 | mvo, bug #574837 | 16:21 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 574837 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "package libgtk2.0-dev 2.20.0-0ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/gir-1.0/GdkPixbuf-2.0.gir', which is also in package gobject-introspection-repository 0:0.6.5-0ubuntu1 (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574837 | 16:21 |
| asac | RAOF: sorry, i need to talk to you about the the X11 arm stack again ... i have new insights which you might better understand than me ;) ... will try to catch you this night (your morning) | 16:22 |
| seb128 | mvo, no hurry, but I guess you have setups to test upgrades, so you could check that one in the next days... ;-) | 16:22 |
| pedro_ | seb128, yeap, I'll have a look at least for the regression part of most of those bugs | 16:22 |
| mvo | seb128: I can run a test for this, sure | 16:23 |
| didrocks | slomo: I've synced vala, thanks :) | 16:23 |
| seb128 | mvo, danke! | 16:23 |
| mvo | seb128: karmic -> lucid ? | 16:23 |
| seb128 | mvo, yes | 16:23 |
| mvo | seb128: default install? or anything special? | 16:23 |
| seb128 | mvo, with gobject-introspection-repository and libgtk2.0-dev installed | 16:23 |
| seb128 | mvo, karmic with those | 16:23 |
| seb128 | mvo, upgrade to lucid | 16:23 |
| seb128 | mvo, it should have issue without the update and work fine with the lucid-proposed version | 16:24 |
| didrocks | hum, another file that moved twice during a cycle :/ | 16:24 |
| * didrocks hides | 16:24 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, hehe ;-) | 16:24 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh, it it the same than the typelib one? | 16:24 |
| seb128 | mvo, on another note, if you feel like doing sponsoring robert_ancell merged compiz with debian and updated the vcs | 16:24 |
| didrocks | maybe, the fix was ony for typelib, not for the -dev | 16:24 |
| mvo | seb128: oh, nice | 16:24 |
| seb128 | didrocks, right | 16:25 |
| seb128 | mvo, robert_ancell is made of awesome if you didn't know ;-) | 16:25 |
| seb128 | mvo, he did a lot of non trivial desktop merges nobody dared to touch for cycles ;-) | 16:25 |
| mvo | seb128: nice :) if he updates 0.8.4 to 0.8.6 too in compiz, he gets a gold star from me | 16:26 |
| seb128 | let's see ;-) | 16:26 |
| mvo | but in the meantime I'm happy to sponsor the 0.8.4 one | 16:26 |
| seb128 | thanks | 16:27 |
| seb128 | I prefer to have somebody who has a clue about compiz to check it | 16:27 |
| seb128 | I'm scared to screw with abi between compiz and some of the compiz-* other sources ;-) | 16:27 |
| mvo | :) | 16:27 |
| seb128 | pedro_, thanks! | 16:28 |
| seb128 | pedro_, I've another round of sru waiting in the queue but everybody seems busy in the sru team | 16:29 |
| seb128 | pedro_, once those are done I think I will move to maverick full time and stop bothering your with sru testing ;-) | 16:29 |
| pedro_ | pedro_, ah no worries, I'd like to test those, so keep them coming ;-)) | 16:30 |
| seb128 | pedro_, stop talking to yourself ;-) | 16:31 |
| pedro_ | hehe | 16:31 |
| seb128 | pedro_, thanks! | 16:31 |
| pedro_ | btw would be nice to get an SRU on bug 370860 | 16:31 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 370860 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "rhythmbox can't play mms radio (affects: 14) (dups: 1) (heat: 74)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/370860 | 16:31 |
| pedro_ | not sure if the patch is too aggressive to be included though | 16:32 |
| seb128 | pedro_, there is already one sru waiting for rhythmbox in the queue but maybe for the next one | 16:34 |
| seb128 | pedro_, would require testing and to backport the crasher fix mentioned in recent comments as well | 16:34 |
| pedro_ | seb128, right those two commits needs to be included | 16:37 |
| pedro_ | seb128, thanks for looking into it ;-) | 16:38 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 16:38 |
| asac | odd | 16:43 |
| asac | Now running lintian... | 16:44 |
| asac | gzip: stdout: Broken pipe | 16:44 |
| asac | dpkg-source: error: gunzip gave error exit status 1 | 16:44 |
| asac | internal error: dpkg-source -x failed with status | 16:44 |
| asac | internal error: 29 | 16:44 |
| asac | warning: collect info unpacked about package librtcom-telepathy-glib failed | 16:44 |
| asac | anyone as seen this? it happens when doing a debuild -S | 16:44 |
| asac | ;) | 16:44 |
| asac | manually using dpkg-source -x works | 16:44 |
| didrocks | seb128: it seems that walters told that he will probably backport GtkApplication to gtk2 | 17:14 |
| mclasen | not likely | 17:15 |
| seb128 | mclasen, any reason to not if somebody does the work? | 17:17 |
| seb128 | mclasen, would make easier for software writers to allow their code to build on gtk2 or gtk3 | 17:18 |
| mclasen | seb128: no point in 3.0 if people insist on adding stuff to 2.x | 17:18 |
| mclasen | 2.x is closed for features, basically | 17:18 |
| seb128 | the point of 3 is to allow cleaning things and breaking compatibility | 17:19 |
| mclasen | I'm not interested in having code build against both 2 and 3, longterm | 17:19 |
| seb128 | but fair enough | 17:19 |
| seb128 | well there will be a transition period so it would be nicer to deal but letting some flexibility to software writers while they port their code | 17:20 |
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| didrocks | pitti: would you have an idea on this vala FTBFS: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50807981/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.vala_0.9.2-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz seems still related to dbus (we are using LD_PRELOAD= to avoid using fakeroot) | 17:45 |
| pitti | didrocks: hm, never saw that one; does it fail locally as well in a chroot or pbuilder? | 17:54 |
| didrocks | pitti: only in soyuz, not in a pbuilder | 17:54 |
| didrocks | pitti: do you think it's a soyuz hiccup or it tries to create a socket < 1024? | 17:55 |
| pitti | didrocks: perhaps add some debugging (strace, etc.) and upload to a PPA to see the log? | 17:55 |
| pitti | didrocks: shouldn't be; it's certainly a dbus unix socket, and you build as normal user as well, I guess | 17:55 |
| pitti | good night everyone! have to leave | 17:56 |
| didrocks | ok, I'll try to strace the testsuite | 17:56 |
| didrocks | thanks pitti | 17:56 |
| didrocks | enjoy your evening | 17:56 |
| and471 | has anyone had any success with vala/genie and appindicator? | 18:05 |
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| dobey | pitti: hi :) | 18:14 |
| dobey | err, nevermind | 18:15 |
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| seb128 | pedro_, bug #403441 | 20:13 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 403441 in gdm (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "gdm-simple-slave crashed with signal 5 in g_return_if_fail_warning() (affects: 49) (dups: 8) (heat: 246)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403441 | 20:13 |
| seb128 | that one just confirm gdm is still working | 20:13 |
| seb128 | I doubt somebody will have the crash reliably to confirm the fix there | 20:13 |
| pedro_ | seb128, yeah , adding a comment to it now | 20:14 |
| seb128 | pedro_, thanks | 20:14 |
| seb128 | so gdm is green now ;-) | 20:14 |
| pedro_ | \o/ | 20:15 |
| kenvandine | so apparently gwibber being in ubuntu by default has caused some problems... too much usage so facebook is throttling gwibber accross all users! | 20:59 |
| artir | kenvandine: well, ubuntu being that popular are great news :) | 21:03 |
| kenvandine | yeah :) | 21:04 |
| kenvandine | but now we need to figure out how to handle it :) | 21:04 |
| artir | tell facebook to get better servers XD | 21:05 |
| artir | i can only think of reducing the frequency of pulling updates down | 21:06 |
| kenvandine | it isn't really updates | 21:07 |
| kenvandine | it is fql queries... which are mostly auth and images | 21:07 |
| kenvandine | we might need to reduce the pulls for images | 21:08 |
| kenvandine | we've had 579 minutes just today that facebook has been rejecting queries for facebook | 21:10 |
| kenvandine | for gwibber that is | 21:10 |
| kenvandine | the only place where users ever notice is in gwibber-accounts, adding a new facebook account requires that query to succeed | 21:10 |
| kenvandine | sigh | 21:10 |
| seb128 | re | 22:02 |
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| RAOF | asac: Good evening/morning :) | 23:48 |
| asac | RAOF: hey ;) | 23:58 |
| RAOF | What's new? :) | 23:59 |
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