[05:31] alright [05:31] time to get shit done [05:55] Okay, i just tallied up all the bug reports [05:56] so far, we've had 5 people meet the 10 confirmed bugs requirement [05:56] Marc Stewart far exceeded that, with about 50 reported(!) [05:56] And we have two people, Martin Lukes and "Andrew" who have 9 reported. [07:17] humphreybc, what is the prize? === topo is now known as Guest85497 [08:50] Zeike: If you win, it's a copy of the manual [09:39] flan, you around? [09:39] thorwil: you need to make a new logo for the Quickshot team :) [09:42] humphreybc: i have that on my list, although with low priority. hoping to get a good idea out of the blue. didn't happen so far [09:43] vish: any ideas for the quickshot logo? [09:45] I've pretty much finished the Quickshot website design [09:45] didn't take long :) [09:45] Just have to run it past Luke and flan [09:50] thorwil: /me thinking [09:50] something with the right colour palette [09:50] ie, orange, aubergine and shades of gray [09:51] * humphreybc is tempted to make thorwil re-do the UMP logo to make it more ubunt-ey [09:51] * thorwil wonders if humphreybc likes to run into a wall, head-first [09:58] good morning, ubuntujenkins [09:58] morning thorwil [10:01] they added a link to our website on ubuntu geek! http://www.ubuntugeek.com/download-free-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-pdf-guide.html#more-6253 [10:01] http://www.ubuntugeek.com/download-free-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-pdf-guide.html [10:01] thats link ^ [10:02] but why that messed up thumbnail with ump logo added? [10:03] I did not even expect a response. For some reason they want to collect loads of info to give out the manual like the page be found [10:03] ben [11:33] yea I have it solved :) [11:42] check this out! http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/89110/quickshot_008_B1bPsK.png I have it at last [11:42] It has taken ages to get this correct [11:43] * ubuntujenkins nudges flan to look at ^ when he gets up [11:44] daker: check this out! http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/89110/quickshot_008_B1bPsK.png [11:45] beautiful [11:45] I know it has taken days to get it right. [11:45] I fell like i am on a roll no [11:45] now [12:18] ubuntujenkins: the text on top is redundant, you should drop it [12:19] Which bit? "quickshot" [12:19] ubuntujenkins: "Please fill in ..." [12:19] especially the 2nd sentence, as the checkbox label tells you the same [12:20] very true [12:20] ubuntujenkins: everything is clear, except for the Project/Description area. what is that about? [12:21] You have to choose which project that you want to take screenshots for. [12:23] ubuntujenkins: consider to add a label to it. like "Projects to take screenshots for:" [12:23] done :) just doing a picture to show you [12:24] http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/89126/quickshot_009_zKd44q.png [12:24] thoughts now please [12:24] ubuntujenkins: consider to remove the Close button. but if it stays, and if the next page has a Previous button, make sure each button stays in the same position on all pages [12:24] ubuntujenkins: such that the Previous button will not be there where Close is on the first page [12:25] I had not thought about a previous button if i move the close to the far left and add a pevious [12:26] ubuntujenkins: ok, so the long from with "Choose ...". you have a . instead of : at the end [12:27] http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/89128/quickshot_011_M7WnSf.png what about now [12:29] ubuntujenkins: good. make it a tiny bit wider, or switch to the shorter "Projects to take screenshots for:" or even better "Take screenshots for:" label [12:29] dang [12:30] ubuntujenkins: good. make it a tiny bit wider, or switch to the shorter "Projects to take screenshots for:" or even better "Take screenshots for:" label [12:31] chnaged [12:31] thanks thorwil I will run some more past you when i have done them if thats ok [12:32] ubuntujenkins: that's fine [12:32] cool [12:51] humphreybc: quickshot is now www.facebook.com/quickshotteam and www.twitter.com/quickshotteam [14:21] flan, ping [14:22] ubuntujenkins, ping [14:27] http://gomockingbird.com/mockingbird/index.html?project=5e8d3e0ab985024303b05b7d791f686f16f42098 [14:33] daker: pong [14:34] http://gomockingbird.com/mockingbird/index.html?project=5e8d3e0ab985024303b05b7d791f686f16f42098 [14:35] thats really cool, what is the mockingbird a mock up site? [14:35] why the facebook logo in several places? [14:37] I like it, what does your comment say in the comment box? just interested [14:39] the facebook logo is there just t represent the application logo [14:41] thats what i guessed [14:42] Is the large grey bar at the top of the browser part of the website or part of mockingbird? [14:43] yes [14:43] mockingbird === daker_ is now known as daker [14:44] I look forward to the real thing [14:45] england vs slovina starts in 15 minutes [14:46] USA vs Algerie in 15minutes [14:47] lets hope england can win [14:48] \o/ [14:48] http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=102416 [14:49] brilliant [15:13] That mockup scares me. [15:14] hey flan, why? [15:14] It scares me because it is absolute overkill and far, far from the sense of minimalism I want. [15:14] that is just the page that every one sees not that admin stuff [15:14] Facebook? Ratings? Tags? Links to the project manual before it's even been compiled? [15:15] Well, yes, perhaps, but it's a task-based system. The public interface exists only so people can get an idea of what still needs to be done. [15:16] Although this could work well for the central server. [15:16] If repurposed a little. [15:16] well the facebook is ment to be our logo. We would nto have contbiutors pictures as we have no way to get them. we could have a link to builds.ubuntu-manual.org [15:16] saying they are draft versions [15:17] But not every project will be following out build model. [15:17] our* [15:17] yea thats true I keep forgetting that [15:18] I am getting there wiht the gui http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/89128/quickshot_011_M7WnSf.png is a page it like [15:19] one lable has changed on that so that screenshot is slighlty out atm [15:19] I'd like to suggest separating that into two steps. [15:19] I can do, I will give it a go [15:20] The first time Quickshot starts up, the user should be prompted to enter personal information (and this prompt should be made available from a menu at any later time). [15:20] More information that that will be desired. I'll link to the database definition in a moment. [15:20] so a prefernces option [15:20] Yeah. [15:21] Like have a Project | Preferences | Help set at the top menu level. [15:21] yea something like that works well [15:22] The second screen, which becomes the default once personal information has been set (stored in ~/.quickshot/contributor_profile or something), would allow for project selection. [15:22] GGGGGOOOOOOOOOOALLLLLLLLLlll [15:22] yea i see makes sense. [15:23] A list that contains references to all things pulled fromt he central server, a list of recently opened projects (~/.quickshot/recent_projects), an input field for entering a web address to pull project information, and a browse field for finding a .qsproj file. [15:23] I'll write a library for that which will take any form of input and output a server-session object. [15:23] Which can be used for all interactions with the server, [15:23] cool that sounds great, I will finish what i have and show you it all [15:24] I think i need to rearage what i have [15:24] There'll probably be a lot of tuning. [15:24] Glad to see you got the Gnome HIG stuff worked out, though. [15:24] Just padding around the hboxes? [15:25] yea, we want to get this right. I do a hbox which had the menu bar in and then in the other part of the hbox but a hbox with a 12 pixel border is the best way i have found [15:25] *but > put [15:26] It definitely looks natural as it's laid out right now. [15:27] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/quickshot/server/annotate/head:/quickshot/quickshot/model/__init__.py [15:27] I was pleased when i cracked that this morning [15:27] 168-171 is all I've come up with for trackable information. [15:27] If you can think of anything else, just add it to that table and the one below it. [15:27] yep i have that saved some where [15:28] will do [15:28] It's really the same as what you have, only with an extra website field. [15:29] Which will be exposed in the project information, if provided. [15:29] (E-mails will only be visible to owners) [15:30] (So it'll be up to them to decide whether the e-mail address goes into the final document or not) [15:30] (They're just necessary unique identifiers) [15:30] I have the draft of the new QS website to show you guys :) [15:30] Ooh. [15:30] And we have screenshots of the in-development server. [15:31] * ubuntujenkins nods at flans comments [15:31] hey humphreybc [15:31] And daker's mockup, from which I think I can draw stylistic inspiration (but which is total overkill for an admin-oriented backend). [15:31] have a looksie, http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/quickshot-pngs.zip [15:32] be back in a sec [15:33] I'm thinking a .sqproj file will, at this point, really just be a URL pointing to a config path on the server. [15:33] Which means the recent projects file can be as simple as a series of names paired with URLs. [15:34] yep [15:34] humphreybc: I don't like the orange of blue/green not sure its quite right [15:35] ubuntujenkins: It's meant to follow similar styles to our site and the Ubuntu site [15:35] The three pages all look a little too similar, what with the image on the right... [15:35] Just a placeholder? [15:35] nope, the idea is that the text just fades in and out [15:35] when you change page [15:35] Ah. [15:36] but I'm happy to have more images [15:36] our facebook is www.facebook.com/quickshotteam to match our twitter [15:36] flan: are you on facebook so i can add you as a page admin? [15:36] http://uguu.ca/ The first two posts talk about the QS server, with actual screenshots. (Though I'm making lots of tweaks) [15:36] I am now. [15:36] humphreybc just set it. [15:37] Oh. [15:37] Wait. [15:37] No. [15:37] Not on Facebook. [15:37] fair enough [15:37] I'm not a fan of social media. [15:37] It is evil. [15:37] lol :) [15:37] EVIL. [15:37] * flan hisses. [15:37] well when we have more solid screenshots, we can put them on the site [15:37] nothing's happening yet, we don't even have a domain name :) [15:38] well we have facebook and twitter, I hope to get lots of people testing by taking screenshots of quickshot for our docs [15:38] But I have about half a dozen design things to do so I'm nailing the UMP related ones first [15:38] I'm projecting full functionality by early July, with testing and client-side libraries (so people could start building Qs server access into their own applications) by mid-July. [15:38] I like this site http://ground-control.org/ [15:39] But I'm moving in mid-July, so that might get pushed back a little. [15:39] ubuntujenkins: I wanted to make it simpler than that [15:39] there's far too much text :) [15:39] but its shiney :) [15:39] lol [15:39] moving far flan ? england ? [15:40] also, the get involved link will take you to ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved and will be on the "Programmer" role [15:40] No. Within Calgary. [15:40] we should have a manual team meet at some point [15:40] humphreybc: I think that the manual site shoudl point at us no the other way around [15:41] what do you mean? [15:41] quickshot is going to get www.quickshot.org [15:41] It is? [15:41] yes indeed [15:41] I thought we were taking quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org. [15:41] "the get involved link will take you to ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved and will be on the "Programmer" role" I think it should be on our site that you get linked to. from the manual site [15:41] just temporarily [15:42] humphreybc has big plans as always :) [15:42] ubuntujenkins: no, because Quickshot isn't the only programming project UMP has [15:42] Is there a good reason for launching an independent site when we're really just producing a tool for a niche audience? [15:42] A niche audience that we'd want to have contribute to UMP wherever possible? [15:42] flan: the idea of its own site is to try and widen the audience [15:43] humphreybc: but then quickshot will not only be used by the manual team [15:43] exactly [15:43] But widen it to whom? Granted, I have no intention of building anything so it's only usable on Ubuntu, but I don't see a problem with having hosting association between the two projects. [15:43] other teams within Ubuntu, other distros [15:44] The links will still be there, from the text at the bottom, cross-linking and obviously the style will be similar [15:44] humphreybc: the word quickhsot on http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/programmers should link to the quickshot get invloved page [15:44] Well, yes, but it's not like having a different URL will instantly spread word-of-mouth. [15:45] ubuntujenkins: I don't want to have multiple get involved things when people are mainly coming to the same place to ask how they can help [15:45] flan: No it won't, but I still think the project needs its own URL [15:46] Politically, we're supportng UMP and UMP is providing us with traffic to boost our exposure. (Even though, practically, we'd be working on other projects within UMP and other parts of the greater community) [15:46] the page i linked has almost nothing on quickhsot when someone joins i tell them lots of things [15:46] And then they get scared and run away. =P [15:46] lol [15:46] just trust me [15:46] :) [15:46] I tell then to look at [15:46] ?style [15:46] The Quickshot code base tries to follow some conventions a list of them is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/style . [15:47] I want to, but I think your ambition may be a little misguided on this point. [15:47] we can always quite easily hack up a get involved page on quickshot.org [15:47] ?branch [15:47] Factoid 'branch' not found [15:47] ?help [15:47] Useage: ? Examples: ?website , ?blueprint , ?qssource , ?involved , ?question , ?style , ?use , ?ppa , ?quickshot , ?code , ?launchpad , ?bug [15:47] ?qssource [15:47] The main development focus for the gui can be viewed by doing "bzr branch lp:quickshot" . The server source is "bzr branch lp:quickshot/server ". You can browse it here https://code.launchpad.net/quickshot [15:47] ?code [15:47] etc you get the ides :) [15:48] yep [15:49] Maybe it's sentiment, but I kinda want to make it seem like the Quickshot project is closely associated with UMP and that UMP is demonstrating its intention to share its resources with everyone. [15:49] And that using quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org would do that better than an independent domain. [15:49] quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org is far too long [15:50] Far too long for who, though? [15:50] maybe qs.ubuntu-manual.org or ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot [15:50] or /qs [15:50] memorability [15:51] ubuntu-manual.org isn't particularly good either [15:51] It's not a page people will be visiting every day, though... [15:51] no I know [15:51] I think in our meeting a while ago we said quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org would do untill we got bigger [15:51] * flan AFKs for thirty minutes, but wants to continue this discussion. [15:52] I've got to go to bed, it's almost 3am [15:52] night then humphreybc [15:52] we should have a meeting this weekend, yeah [16:04] ggggrrr off side [16:06] ubuntujenkins: my dad is asking ME to get on the fifa site and check the score, just coz he cant be bothered to get off his ass [16:07] what can't he watch telly? of do it him self [16:07] thank goodness david james is good [16:08] ubuntujenkins: no, my dad is a lazy bloke, and he is watching his favourite show over the soccer right now :) [16:08] hehe [16:21] godbyk: ping [16:44] Back. [16:45] hey flan ben went to bed it was 3am for him [16:45] 3 minutes left on the england game [16:46] please waste time england [16:48] yeeeeesssss [16:58] I saw. [16:58] Him. [16:58] Not the game. [16:58] Your game is silly. [16:58] lol [16:58] * flan disses sports. [16:58] * flan expects to die. [16:59] just because canada is no there :P [16:59] *not [16:59] No, I just dislike sports. [16:59] That applies to hockey and whatever else we play in Canada, too. [17:00] Lacrosse, I guess. [17:05] congratulations ubuntujenkins [17:06] daker: thanks, I thought my defending was good :P [17:17] Thanks for the mockup, daker. I'll take what I can from it, but I'm afraid our views of the scope of the project differ quite a bit. [17:18] What I'm working on is just the admin backend for the Quickshot server: the thing people like ubuntujenkins will see when managing the screenshots for a project. [17:19] Your design seems more suited to the Quickshot homepage, where we're planning to centralize a bunch of projects. [17:19] (User base of about three or four people versus a whole community) [17:20] I killed him with feedback. D: [17:30] be back later === daker_ is now known as daker [20:18] 0.o http://html5zombo.com/ [20:20] lol [20:20] yep it's HTML5 [20:21] html5 is enriched html4 ? [20:24] html5 give more power and more flexibility as you can see here http://zombo.com/ this is a flash annimation [20:24] and with HTML5 he can do the same thing http://html5zombo.com/ [20:24] just with metatags [20:25] and no flash \o/ [20:26] yep [20:26] cool [20:28] dutchie, well you can use flash in your html document but and you can make annimation just by combining HTML+javascript(jquery or Motools) [20:28] so the whole animation and sound (very funny btw) stuff in what format is saved ? (sry for silly questions :D) [20:29] daker: yes, but i wish flash would die, because it is proprietary, insecure, and the performance is terrible [20:29] daker now i see [20:30] c7p, .html , the sound is an mp3 [20:31] ok ty :) [20:32] i can play a sound just like that

[20:33] you don't have to put any flash player to the sounds :) [20:53] I'm impressed :D, I love html5 hehe [20:59] hohohoh 2-0 [21:00] 5 mini between two goals [21:05] hello all [21:06] hi ubuntujenkins [21:07] godbyk: ping [21:10] 2 - 1 [21:10] another time Jabulani [21:20] c7p, Ghana ouep [21:20] ghana and germany are on 16 ? [21:22] yep [21:23] USA and ENG === ubuntujenkins_ is now known as ubuntujenkins [21:26] dutchie, ping [21:27] pong [21:28] do you know about internalisation in django ? [21:29] i know it exists [21:29] i have never used it [21:29] oki [21:30] we should collaborate in the next few weeks [21:32] check that http://www.neatorama.com/2010/06/22/click-here/ [21:32] \o/ [21:42] So good check http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CH9tYHEWnDk/TCC8LKfWJlI/AAAAAAAAM1o/q6R7Q8LVj5Y/s1600/Isabel-MastacheTrouser1.jpg [21:48] guys!!! do you think we should install a forum for the project ? forum.ubuntu-manual.org ? [21:49] yes for sure [21:49] or the ML is enough ? [21:49] * dutchie dislikes fora [21:52] well it helps very much, you don't have to search through the whole mess of messages to find some useful info, everything is categorized [21:52] some people like them [21:52] not for me [21:52] c7p, +1 [21:54] on the forum we can have different sections for translators, editors, developers future plans etc ;) [21:54] subsections too [21:55] yap [21:55] we should detail this point in the next meeting [21:55] we can discuss about it on the next meeting [21:55] \o/ [21:56] :p [22:20] http://www.videocorner.tv/videocorner2/live_flv/index.php?langue=en [22:28] daker: what about making it a docs forum? I would like a quickshot section if possible. the only issue is forums need lots of server space. also the docs team might want a spot [22:29] space & time [22:29] Admins & moderators [22:29] well i would happly help where i can. the mailing list does not get much traffic to be fair [22:30] we can discuss about it on the next meeting so everyone can give his opinion [22:32] or her :P [22:33] what about asking the current forums people if we can have a part? [22:39] why don't we ask canonical to pay for the forum services ? We are documenting its product and also we are going to work on their official documentation page (help.ubuntu.com) (right ?) [22:41] I am not sure canonical would pay we chose to do the project we can't ask them to pay us. I think we would be best keeping the forums in one place and see if we could get a section on the current ones as a documentaion section. manual/docs/learning teams [22:48] i don't ask to pay us. Canonical provide LoCo teams with CDs if they ask, what I'm saying is to provide us the services :). I don't think a medium forum is big deal, it can be hosted on a canonical's server [22:49] I have to mention that the forum of our LoCo team is hosted on a server of a university :D [22:59] * ubuntujenkins nods [23:01] night all [23:03] night c7p