NCommanderRiddell: ping00:30
CIA-99[libqapt] jmthomas * 1141986 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp Fix a bug where changelog fetching would fail for packages where source name == binary name01:20
CIA-99[libqapt] jmthomas * 1141989 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (globals.h worker/worker.cpp worker/workeracquire.cpp) Implement two new errors: UserCancelError and DownloadDisallowed error, for when the user cancels a download and for when the APT configuration prohibits downloading, respectively01:36
lex79ScottK: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/ubuntu/revision/402:03
lex79I added the patch for armel02:03
CIA-99[libqapt] jmthomas * 1141990 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/workeracquire.cpp Work around libapt-pkg braindeadness and don't report negative percentages :/ Fixes the issue where the progressbar of anything listening to the worker would stop updating at a certain point02:15
JontheEchidnaLibQApt. Working around libapt-pkg, so that you don't have to. (tm)02:16
ScottKlex79: Thanks.02:20
lex79np :)02:20
ScottKlex79: There are a bunch of plasma-widgets in Universe that are FTBFS and need similar changes.  Any chance you could look into that?02:24
lex79if I'm able I can do :)02:25
lex79uhm, but the problem is that I/we don't have armel hardware or access to armel ppa02:26
ScottKYes, but for a 15 minute build, I don't particularly mind throwing it at the archive and seeing if it sticks.02:27
ScottKAs long as it's not too many times ...02:27
ScottKkdeedu has a similar problem too, but I don't propose to fix that one that way as it's a long build.02:27
ScottKBe back in a bit.  It's test building now and I'll upload it if it works.02:28
JontheEchidnahttp://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoplr1494-jpg.jpg debconf \o/02:38
JontheEchidnaPretty impressive changelog, eh? http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/ChangeLog?revision=1141994&view=markup02:45
JontheEchidna(not that I'm about to do a 1.0, there's some non-trivial improvements that need to be done to both Muon and LibQApt)02:47
lex79yes, impressive lol02:47
lex79indeed :)02:48
JontheEchidnaI saw bug 158321 and thought "I can probably do that with 5 lines of code with KDE". I did it in 302:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 158321 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "Synaptic needs to inhibit GPM from sleeping while downloading/installing packages" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15832102:49
JontheEchidnawell, not including includes, forward declarations, etc02:49
lex79bah :( dolphin sometime freezes here02:51
JontheEchidnaI really need to just stop procrastinating and code that tab: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopye1494-jpg.jpg02:53
JontheEchidnaBut complex layouting is a pain... proper label alignment is hard....02:54
lex79JontheEchidna: m_font.setPixelSize( qMax(size().width() / 5, 1.0) );02:55
lex79only "5" is a costant?02:56
JontheEchidna5 is a normal int, yes02:56
JontheEchidnaoh, and size().width() will be a normal int too02:56
JontheEchidnabut the 1.0 is a float02:56
lex79JontheEchidna: uhm but 1.0 should be also double?02:59
lex79I've this error: no matching function for call to 'qMax(qreal, double)'02:59
lex79so, or 5 or 1.0 should be double...03:00
JontheEchidnaqMax(size().width() / 5 is probably a fraction03:01
JontheEchidnasize().width() / 503:01
JontheEchidna^that's the qreal03:02
lex79yes, so I'm wondering if ( qMax(size().width() / 5, qreal(1.0) ) ); fix the ftbs03:03
JontheEchidnathat's what I was about to suggest03:03
JontheEchidnaDunno if it'll fix03:03
lex79well I make the patch, and we'll see03:03
JontheEchidnalet me try something first03:04
lex79debug debg :)03:04
ScottKlex79: Uploaded.  Thanks.03:04
lex79you're welcome03:05
* lex79 wondering why we can't have an armel ppa if we want care about this stuff03:06
JontheEchidnalex79:  qMax((6/5), qreal(1.0)); failed with no matching function for call to ‘qMax(int, double)’03:06
JontheEchidnaqMax(qreal(6/5), qreal(1.0)); worked03:07
lex79uhm strange03:07
JontheEchidnaI think they just both have to be the same container03:07
lex79maybe 6/5 is not a qreal03:08
JontheEchidnaperhaps, but size().width() and 5 are both ints03:08
JontheEchidnajust as 6 and 5 are both ints03:09
ScottKlex79: I'm working on it.  No promises.03:09
lex79ok :)03:09
lex79JontheEchidna: size().width() are ints but the errors says no matching function for call to 'qMax(qreal, double)' :/03:11
lex79so qMax(size().width() / 5, should be qreal :(03:11
JontheEchidnahmm, ok03:11
JontheEchidnaas long as they're both qreal they should be the same. That's the important part03:11
JontheEchidna*they should be fine03:11
lex79with dh --with kde $@ I have to add quilt to build-depends if I want add a patch?03:15
lex79I don't remember03:16
JontheEchidnalex79: if you have source format 3.0 (quilt) you don't need to03:16
JontheEchidnabut otherwise you would have to add the build-depend03:17
lex79ScottK: I uploaded a fix for armel here: https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/staging/+packages03:31
ScottKOK.  Let's just see if it builds in the PPA and if it does, I'll push it to the archive.03:33
ScottKplasma-widget-networkmanagement  is past where it died before.  That's a good sign.03:34
ScottKlex79: Is you GPG key ID 37B9623E?03:46
ScottKOK.  Thanks.03:47
ScottKUploaded.  Thanks.  Let's see how this one does.03:47
ScottKYeah, I retrieved it, I was just a bit suprised I didn't have yours already.03:48
lex79:) did you upload the widget into armel ppa?03:49
ScottKNo.  I uploaded it to the archive.03:49
ScottKI don't have access to an armel PPA at the moment either.03:49
shtylmanRiddell: anything new with the site? ... can we take matters into our own hands at some point?03:57
shtylmanI feel it is kind of bad to not move forward with this... I know it isn't priority for canonical... so I can understand that03:58
shtylmanbut we do have people that can set this thing up03:58
lex79ScottK: I don't see other plasma-widget fault on armel, only -smooth-tasks which I've just uploaded here: https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/staging/+packages03:58
lex79but wait plasma-widget-droptoimageshack building before :)03:59
ScottKYes.  I'll look for others.03:59
ScottKlex79: I remembered there were more, but I guess I was wrong.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-drop2ftp/0.6-0ubuntu4 could use some more general help.04:01
lex79yes I saw that....04:04
ScottKCongratulations.  04:06
ScottKPlease send the patch upstream.04:06
ScottKlex79: plasma-widget-smooth-tasks_0.0~wip20100227-0ubuntu3_source.changes heaved at the archive.  Thanks again.04:07
lex79you're welcome04:08
ScottKWin on plasma-widget-networkmanagement too.04:16
ScottKNCommander: We found your deputy armel fixer.04:16
lex79btw kdeedu ftbs in all arch04:18
NCommanderScottK: score!04:18
ScottKlex79: Yeah, but look at armel.  It's "special"04:23
lex79smooth-tasks ftbs, same issue but in another place04:31
lex79uhm seems there's a ton of code to fix in smoot-thask04:36
lex79we'll see tomorrow04:36
ScottKOK.  Let me know.04:46
lummmorning.. where can i find the alpha1 ? i still run beta2 from the beta ppa..07:57
lummwith a werid x window bug. if i gonna close it plasma crashes.07:58
lummhttp://pastebin.com/WcEsZiFv , the backtrace08:00
* apachelogger hugs everyone10:21
* shadeslayer hugs apachelogger back10:32
shadeslayerhug lag :p10:32
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shadeslayerapachelogger: how could you tell the package was of BSD and not GPL?10:36
apacheloggershadeslayer: what package?10:36
apacheloggerlooking at the debian/copyright file?10:36
shadeslayerapachelogger: hmm10:47
shadeslayerapachelogger: theres no BSD license in src/qipmsg-xdg-open10:50
shadeslayerits GPL... i think10:50
apacheloggersee, that "I think" is wrong there :P10:51
apacheloggerwhere does it actually say that this is licensed GPL?10:51
shadeslayerno where :)10:52
apacheloggerin order to apply a license one must specifically say "This file here is available to you under the conditions of the GNU GPL version 5 and no other"10:52
apacheloggeron second thought I do not think it is BSD either ;)10:53
apacheloggerbut clearly it is not gpl10:53
tsimpsonit kind of like a minimalistic BSD, but it's not a standard license10:53
tsimpsonso it's just a custom license10:53
apacheloggerthat also depeneds on the defintion of standard ;)10:54
* apachelogger suggests googling a prominent line10:54
apacheloggershadeslayer: also, since for whatever reason there is this code file is copied from xdg-utils you could look at its debian/copyright and see how they define the license there10:55
shadeslayerapachelogger: upstream ships a debian/  folder,i could paste the copyright file from there10:56
apacheloggershadeslayer: if it is valid and complete10:56
apacheloggerotherwise it is of no use to the problem at hand  :/10:56
tsimpsonapachelogger: they just copy the license verbatim10:56
tsimpsonsee /usr/share/doc/xdg-utils/copyright10:57
apacheloggershould be done eitherway ;)10:57
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://shadeslayer.pastebin.com/D87CLyGc10:57
apacheloggeralso it seems to be referred too as MIT-style license it seems10:57
apacheloggernot particularly bound to the BSD license in specific10:58
apacheloggershadeslayer: well, mention that the file foobar is not licensed under GPL 3+ but:10:59
apachelogger<verbatim copy of license>10:59
apacheloggeroh, and you probably should mention that it also has different copyright holders ;)10:59
shadeslayerapachelogger: in debian/copyright?10:59
apacheloggershadeslayer: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php11:00
apacheloggerAFAICS this is the exactly license as applied so you may refer to it by name.... "foobar is not licensed under the GNU GPL 3+, as stated above, but under the MIT license: <verabtim copy>"11:01
apacheloggertsimpson: ^ mit license it is :)11:02
tsimpsonhmm,people should at least note "this file is released under the ... license: ..."11:02
apacheloggerprimarily people should license and copyright their files properly ... which btw the author of the source distribution that shadeslayer is trying to package did not do, so ...11:03
* apachelogger will settle for properly licensed ^^11:03
* apachelogger is wondering11:19
apacheloggernow either my desktop file patch will break universe desktop file translations OR add useless overhead11:19
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CIA-99[libqapt] jmthomas * 1142243 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp Greatly improve the long description parsing algorithm, resulting in a long description without 80-char linebreaks. It uses a regex from gnome-app-install to handle bullet-pointed lists14:29
danttiJontheEchidna: is this regex better than the new handling in aptcc?14:30
dantticause in aptcc it doesn't have 80-char linebreaks too14:31
JontheEchidnadantti: A bit better. It splits the long desc into sections (at the line containing only '.'), replaces '*' and '-' in lists with a tab and a '•'14:32
JontheEchidnahttp://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopdf3457-jpg.jpg <-qapt-style14:33
* shadeslayer starts work on apturl for rekonq14:33
JontheEchidnaKPK: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopul3457-jpg.jpg14:34
danttiJontheEchidna: why all that indentation?14:35
JontheEchidnathat's the standard unicode tab character. Wonder if I can make it smaller, thoguh14:35
JontheEchidnamaybe just make it 4 spaces? :P14:36
danttiimho i would add a max of 1 space14:36
JontheEchidnaAlso, debconf (did this shortly after you left yesterday): http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopnt3457-jpg.jpg14:43
CIA-99[libqapt] jmthomas * 1142250 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp Tone down the indentation there...14:46
JontheEchidnadantti: With debconf, pressing cancel freezes dpkg (and gives this error: QCoreApplication::postEvent: Unexpected null receiver)14:46
danttiJontheEchidna: how many spaces are there now? imho it's much better :D14:48
JontheEchidnadantti: just one now14:48
danttiJontheEchidna: what happens if you kill your app with the debconf inside?14:49
JontheEchidnadantti: Killing the policykit helper that actually does the install leaves the debconf lock in place14:49
JontheEchidnaI have to remove the contents of /var/lib/debconf before I can use debconf again14:50
danttiJontheEchidna: in ubuntu the gnome dialog does not have cancel, but in debian it has I don't know exactly why....14:50
JontheEchidnalooks like adept had a cancel button in the past too: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/adept-debconf.png14:51
danttiwhen you press cancel you are actually closing the socket14:51
danttiJontheEchidna: here the cancel works but it would be good to know if it should remain there14:52
jjesseJontheEchidna w/ adept when i hit cancel i would often get a notice there was a lock that had t obe removed before i could install an app14:52
JontheEchidnajjesse: that's what I'm getting here too14:53
JontheEchidnamaybe Ubuntu removed it because it was unreliable14:53
jjesseremoved adept ?14:53
jjessei never liked adept it was ugly and hard to use14:53
JontheEchidnaremoved the cancel button from debconf dialogs14:53
jjesseand awful to try and document14:53
danttijjesse: you should have seem the wonderfull code ;)14:54
jjessei tried 4 or 5 times to create a help doc for adept14:54
jjesseand wanted to pull my eyes out each time i sat down to work on it14:54
CIA-99[libqapt] jmthomas * 1142256 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Merge xapian search alogrithm with Synaptic's15:13
CIA-99[libqapt] jmthomas * 1142271 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp package.cpp) A few more safeties for using the xapian index (should prevent crashes in case of xapian failure) plus a few string->char optimizations15:30
CIA-99[libqapt] jmthomas * 1142272 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp --qDebug()15:31
JontheEchidnadantti: btw, still need the logic for changelog url constructing?15:31
JontheEchidna% == +, but using QStringBuilder for efficiency15:32
danttiJontheEchidna: hmm you actually miss what I miss too15:32
danttithere is a regex provided by some debian page that extracts the changelog like from version 2 ~ 2.2 ...15:33
shadeslayerpreliminary support for apt:// in git,doesnt load anything right now :P15:39
danttiJontheEchidna: I'll remove the cancel button then... mvo said to me that ppl that didn't know what to answer simply click cancel15:43
danttithat was the reason for the removal15:44
CIA-99[libqapt] jmthomas * 1142283 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (5 files in 4 dirs) Rename FindQApt.cmake -> QAptConfig.cmake, install to /usr/lib/cmake/QApt/15:55
* apachelogger is scared16:16
apacheloggerNightrose: please hold me16:16
* Nightrose holds apachelogger tightly16:16
* apachelogger starts crying really badly16:18
jussiapachelogger: what happened?16:29
apacheloggeritnewstoday 16:29
Tscheesy2weeks Break? -> consume Heise :x16:32
apacheloggermore I do not have to say on the whole matter16:33
apacheloggerthe WHOLE16:33
CIA-99[kdelibs-fix-desktopfile-translations] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100624153802-yueu3bbhxdyxrwxg * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)16:38
CIA-99Remove kubuntu_56_langpacks_desktop_files.diff in favor of newly created16:38
CIA-99kubuntu_05_langpack_desktop_files.diff which is heavily inspired by the openSUSE16:38
apacheloggerRiddell, JontheEchidna, everyone else who cares: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kdelibs/fix-desktopfile-translations/revision/238 needs revu and testing and stuff16:42
shadeslayerapachelogger: preliminary support for apturl's in rekonq http://gitorious.org/~shadeslayer/rekonq/shadeslayers-clone/commit/7933307371b1c9a354882df15a308146cba027d116:44
shadeslayernow atleast it wont google apt://foo16:44
apacheloggernow it does nothing, doesnt it?16:45
* apachelogger is not sure if that is better really16:45
apacheloggershadeslayer: there is also apt+http :P16:45
shadeslayerapachelogger: yes,it doesnt load apturl for now,but im working my way to it...16:46
shadeslayerapachelogger: you mean apt links on http pages?16:46
apacheloggerI meant there is a specific protocl apt+http://16:46
* apachelogger really does not get why one cannot use the kde protocol handling -.-16:47
* shadeslayer has no idea16:47
CIA-99[kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100624155956-0e577hmr48mb2p0j * (3 files in 2 dirs) * Add kpackagecode - go to Kubuntu packaging branch * Add lpuser - go to Launchpad user page16:59
apacheloggershadeslayer: do kde search providers work with rekonq?17:00
shadeslayerapachelogger: which search providers?17:00
apacheloggerlike when you run lppeople:kubuntu in konqueror or krunner17:00
apacheloggeror I think in kickoff 17:01
shadeslayerapachelogger: adjam recently added a feature that you could select your search providers17:01
shadeslayerlemme check17:01
shadeslayerbut it shows up as the second option17:01
shadeslayerfirst option is to google it17:01
CIA-99[kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100624160155-wa84jva86pumm7gj * searchproviders/lpuser.desktop Synonyms for lpuser -> lpgroup and lpteam (use seem url scheme)17:02
apacheloggershadeslayer: that ought to be changed17:02
apacheloggerdoes not even offer to google it here17:02
apacheloggeranyone wanna do https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-March/004197.html ?17:03
shadeslayerdo as in do the actual change?17:03
shadeslayeror as in vote for the change17:04
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: any chance you could add playground/sysadmin/muon to the CIA bot?17:05
apacheloggerexecute the chagne ^^17:05
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: do you have a cia account?17:05
JontheEchidnaI don't think so17:06
shadeslayerapachelogger: i bet we would have to add a transitional package for the previous too?17:06
JontheEchidnaI do17:06
apacheloggershadeslayer: yes, and rename the launchpad project and stuff17:06
* shadeslayer doesnt think he has rights for the lp project 17:07
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: http://cia.vc/account/bots/13437/17:07
apacheloggergo to advanced filters17:07
apacheloggerat the top you find the additional match rules17:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: ok will do.. when do you want it?17:07
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: try http://cia.vc/account/bots/add/ 17:08
apacheloggerthat should add the bot to your inventory17:08
apacheloggershadeslayer: nothing important, before feature freeze would be nice :)17:08
shadeslayeradded to To Do list ;)17:09
CIA-99[kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100624160931-df9rogy6lkninn62 * debian/ (changelog copyright) Update my copyright + use proper copyright symbols throughout the file17:09
* apachelogger notes that a lot of devs have not yet contributed to that package and gained copyright on it17:10
apacheloggerIMHO this should happen before endorsing anyone for kubuntu-dev, core-dev or motu17:10
apacheloggereven pitti holds copyright on it ^^17:11
apacheloggerno clue how that happened17:11
apacheloggerah, he changed the maintainer field :D17:11
apacheloggersee, it is that easy to gain copyright, one just has to do it17:11
* shadeslayer wonders when ofir comes onto the IRC17:12
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: dude, how long does it take to find a bot? :P17:13
* apachelogger is wondering if the JontheEchidna bot crashed :/17:13
shadeslayerapachelogger: any info regarding KProtocolInfo ?17:14
shadeslayeri want to list all supported kioslaves using that17:14
shadeslayerwas looking at http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/kprotocolinfo_8h_source.html17:15
* apachelogger thinks that formatting is off with that api.kde.org17:16
apacheloggerQStringList KProtocolInfo::protocols   (   )    [static]17:17
apachelogger Returns list of all known protocols.17:17
shadeslayerany idea of the return type?17:18
apacheloggershadeslayer: supposedly what you should do is try isKnownProtocol() if that is true try protocolClass() if that is ":internet" call exec() for it17:19
apacheloggershadeslayer: QStringList :P17:19
apacheloggerbut as said, I would not go at the problem this way17:19
shadeslayerapachelogger: ok,how would you go at it?17:20
apacheloggeras stated :P17:20
apachelogger1. check if special case, i.e. no protocol or http or whatever rekonq wants to do specifically17:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: i found the reason why rekonq doesnt honour our protocols17:21
apachelogger2. if nothing of that applies use my lookups17:21
shadeslayerline 7117:21
apachelogger3. if that fails too then we cannot process the protocol17:21
shadeslayerand google what ever is in there :P17:21
shadeslayeri added apt: there btw ;)17:22
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* apachelogger blinks like wild17:22
* apachelogger starts emitting smoke17:23
* apachelogger starts making weird sounds17:23
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* shadeslayer broke apachelogger17:25
ScottK4.4.90 tagged17:28
shadeslayerScottK: beat me to it 17:29
shadeslayerlex79: 4.4.90 tagged btw17:43
lex79I know, but no tarballs yet17:43
lex79neversfelde: we lose, that's impossible :(17:44
shadeslayerlex79: btw do you think bug 598159 could be a packaging issue?17:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 598159 in kdegames (Ubuntu) "kpat crash in maverick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59815917:45
lex79uhm it doesn't crash here17:47
ulyssessame here, works fine17:48
ulysseshowever the whole plasma-desktop crashes, when I right click on the system tray17:49
* brokenl00gR never finds the window control buttons on the right17:49
lex79shadeslayer: so I don't think is a packaging issue17:49
* brokenl00gR moves out to move them buttons to the left17:49
lex79ulysses: I think agateau is working on it17:49
JontheEchidnabot ain't working :(17:49
shadeslayerlex79: yes works here too17:49
shadeslayerill mention that17:49
lex79shadeslayer: that bug should go to kde.bugs.org17:50
shadeslayeryes,im asking for the details and then ill forward it17:50
lex79good :)17:50
brokenl00gRlex79: I think you get the order wrong there :)17:51
brokenl00gRkubotu: np apachelogger17:51
kubotuapachelogger is listening to "the Long Run" by Reel Big Fish [http://open.spotify.com/track/4eK2dVmGv0zQmAFMsuzdju] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more17:51
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: why so broken? :P17:51
brokenl00gRtoo much ugly code at once17:51
brokenl00gRis that menubar business backported to lucid btw?17:52
brokenl00gRthe one that incidently looks like osx' but is not copied at all :P17:52
lex79lol :)17:52
lex79in lucid there's the old version17:53
lex79but since the new one is broken.... :)17:54
shadeslayerlex79: the one i uploaded is working?17:54
shadeslayerlex79: bug 598159 updated ;)17:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 598159 in kdegames (Ubuntu) "kpat crash in maverick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59815917:55
shadeslayerhmm.. marking as incomplete17:55
lex79I don't have lucid system but it should work17:57
brokenl00gRI command you to install!17:59
* brokenl00gR better enters that in a terminal ^^17:59
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: he probably has maverick :P18:00
shadeslayerbhargav: \o18:00
brokenl00gRI meant that literal18:00
* brokenl00gR can do that on a terminal :P18:00
shadeslayerbhargav: i took a look at kdiff3 for you,it doesnt need merging :P18:00
bhargavshadeslayer: ya .it was supposed to be synced.18:01
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: how did you do that? :p18:01
brokenl00gRmaybe one day I shall publish this18:01
shadeslayerbhargav: no no,we do not want to sync it either18:01
brokenl00gRalthough then everyone would be as cool as I am which is a bit unsettling18:01
shadeslayerbhargav: it has ubuntu changes we cannot and should not drop18:02
* shadeslayer removes cruft from maverick install18:02
brokenl00gRmy rekonq is broken \o/18:02
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: btw any idea why rekonq wont use apt:// but will use lppeople:// ?18:03
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: whats broken?18:03
brokenl00gRah, it unbrick by forgetting about the page I used last time ^^18:03
brokenl00gRshadeslayer: crashes when loading a search for lppeople:kubuntu18:03
brokenl00gRshadeslayer: lppeople is not a protocol18:03
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: 0_o18:03
brokenl00gRlppeople is just a search provider18:03
brokenl00gRsearch providers != protocols18:04
* shadeslayer wonders how to integrate apt:// stuff in rekonq18:04
brokenl00gRsearchproviders != protocols != kioslaves18:04
brokenl00gRshadeslayer: I told you already :P18:04
brokenl00gRjust add fallback logic18:04
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: i know but the actual implementation part is hard18:04
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: your algo has a good effect too18:04
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: if pepole on non debian system install rekonq,no need to worry for apt:// stuff :P18:05
shadeslayerisKnownProtocol() will return false automatically :P18:05
brokenl00gRyou really just need to ditch it in between current protocol guessing, erm parsing, and the execution of defualt search provider (i.e. google search)18:06
neversfeldelex79: but it was a great show today, just saw the goals. I think the italian team needs to be rejuvenated now18:06
shadeslayerneversfelde: did you talk to ofir?18:06
lex79neversfelde: you're right...18:06
neversfeldeshadeslayer: no, I did not see him18:06
shadeslayerneversfelde: same here... 18:06
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: ok,btw i have no idea how to call the exec() part :P18:07
* shadeslayer hits up on kprotocolInfo18:08
brokenl00gRkubotu: np apachelogger18:08
kubotuapachelogger is listening to "sad robot" by pornophonique [8-bit lagerfeuer, 2006] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more18:08
brokenl00gRshadeslayer: KProtocolInfo::execute("apt://hello");18:08
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: oohh..18:08
brokenl00gRwhere apt://hello will really be a kurl that is coming from somewhere18:09
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: and what about http:// stuff18:09
brokenl00gRor a string 18:09
brokenl00gRshadeslayer: that should match before18:09
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: before?18:09
brokenl00gRshadeslayer: there is this custom URL guessing, erm, parsing, and if that matches then it will probably do something and the part where protocols would be checked will never be reached18:09
* shadeslayer does not understand..18:09
shadeslayerah ok18:10
* shadeslayer writes some basic code 18:10
brokenl00gR| check if url is http, ftp, file, ... |18:10
brokenl00gRif yes -> do magic and return18:10
brokenl00gRif no ->18:10
brokenl00gR| check if url is known protocol |18:10
brokenl00gRif yes -> process url18:10
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: ill have to add a custom entry for each protocol then?18:10
brokenl00gRif no -> use default search provider and search for the alleged url18:10
brokenl00gRshadeslayer: no18:11
brokenl00gRin some class of rekonq 18:11
brokenl00gRthere will arrive the string "apt://firefox"18:11
brokenl00gRindicating that the user wants to go there18:11
brokenl00gRthen custom guessing happens18:12
brokenl00gRand will not do anything because it does not know what to do with apt://18:12
brokenl00gRnow you get it18:12
brokenl00gRand you run18:12
brokenl00gRif (KProtocolInfo::isKnownProtocol(incomingUrl)) {18:12
ScottKshadeslayer: sftp support would be really nice too.18:12
brokenl00gRif it is no known protocol or that if returns eitherway18:13
brokenl00gR-> run search using that incoming thing18:13
shadeslayerScottK: if i can manage to understand all of this,ill implement it :P18:13
brokenl00gRin fact you just have to sneak this special KProtocol stuff in and check if the incoming URL is a known protocol and execute if it is18:14
shadeslayeryou guys will have to help with this tho :P18:14
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: righto18:14
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: i think that part of the code will go in urlreslover.cpp18:15
shadeslayerin UrlSearchList AwesomeUrlCompletion::substringCompletion(const QString& completionString) function18:16
shadeslayerwait not there18:16
shadeslayerin UrlSearchList UrlResolver::orderedSearchItems()18:16
brokenl00gRwell then18:17
shadeslayerthats where all the magic seems to happen18:17
brokenl00gRrekumq cannot not crash18:17
brokenl00gRit is like the amarok :/18:18
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: rekonq + flash == broken currently18:18
brokenl00gRI do not have no flash installed!18:18
shadeslayeroh.. in that case... iDunno (TM)18:18
bhargavshadeslayer: i guess the ubuntu changes are included in the debian version18:18
shadeslayerbhargav: nope.. the ubuntu changes are to the docs and some other stuff18:19
shadeslayerbhargav: look at the last upload of kdiff3 18:19
shadeslayer( to maverick )18:19
bhargavshadeslayer: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/k/kdiff3/kdiff3_0.9.95-6/changelog18:20
shadeslayerbhargav: Maverick Upload :P18:20
shadeslayerbhargav: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdiff318:21
bhargavshadeslayer: look for version 0.9.95-5 18:21
bhargavshadeslayer: ya.. i know :P18:21
shadeslayerbhargav: doc paths for debian and ubuntu are different18:22
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: oohhh Sad Robot is awesome18:23
shadeslayerfree download from last.fm18:24
shadeslayerlex79: are you free atm?18:27
shadeslayerlex79: qtcreator cannot pick up installed examples from qt4-demos,i *think* theres a missing .xml file which provides meta info about the examples which we are missing in our package,can you look at this issue?18:28
shadeslayerthe .xml file is in the qt4-demos package18:29
lex79I will look, not today I think18:31
shadeslayersure :)18:32
shadeslayerlex79: also i think its missing the .xml file,not entirely sure18:32
lex79ok, maybe becase we are using a snapshot of Qt, dunno18:33
lex79ScottK: I updated the patch for smooth-task to fix armel issue... https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/staging/+packages18:35
lex79maybe we can wait someone that have access to armel ppa18:35
* ScottK looks at NCommander.18:37
Mamarokdear Amarok packager(s), please don't forget the dependencies for libmysql, else it doesn't work for non-KDE users: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24271118:37
ubottuKDE bug 242711 in Collection "Scanning does not update Collection" [Normal,Resolved: downstream]18:37
MamarokI guess KDE already has these because of Akonadi, but Gnome users don't18:38
danttiJontheEchidna: are you giving the user a link to see the change log right?18:44
JontheEchidnadantti: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopqx3457-jpg.jpg18:45
JontheEchidnait just loads it when you click the package18:45
JontheEchidnaMaybe it should only load it when you click on the changelog tab18:45
danttiJontheEchidna: well afair the change log is an apt data, not a link to get the info18:46
danttilike aptitude changelog foo18:46
danttithat will give you the whole changelog, then you apply a regex to get just from the current version18:47
JontheEchidna^or at least all the versions newer than the current one installed18:48
JontheEchidnathat would be sweet18:48
brokenl00gRJontheEchidna: did you add muon yet?18:48
JontheEchidnabrokenl00gR: yes, but it ain't working18:48
danttiJontheEchidna: the regex http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/footnotes.html#f1618:49
* brokenl00gR in his obsession with performance is wondering how much easier the blinky busy courser is on the cpu ^^18:49
brokenl00gRJontheEchidna: that is because your syntax is not 100% right :)18:50
JontheEchidnadantti: for closing bugs in debian/changelog?18:51
brokenl00gRstuff between <and> and </and> must all match to match at global scope18:51
brokenl00gRi.e. your change would only work if you had a path that contained both libqapt AND muon in the context of project kde18:51
brokenl00gRdantti: your debconf stuff is brilliant! \o/18:52
ScottKlex79: Thanks.  I got impatient and heaved it at the archive.19:06
CIA-99[muon] jmthomas * 1142364 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DownloadWidget.cpp KUIT tags for the DownloadWidget. Missed that in my first sweep ;)19:06
JontheEchidnait werks19:06
* brokenl00gR finds callgrind very odd today19:07
brokenl00gRwhat is cycle 20 and why is it called by playpausebutton19:08
* lex79 uploaded kds to beta ppa19:10
brokenl00gRNightrose: just so I have mentioned this, in a start/quit sequence you seem to issue 206 queries and those seem to be responsible for 11.58 % of the overall cost profile19:10
Nightrosebrokenl00gR: ?19:11
brokenl00gRNightrose: in the amarok 19:11
* Nightrose redirects brokenl00gR to the other channel to tell the devs19:12
Nightrosesorry - to busy finishing this off here19:12
shadeslayerlex79: btw seen the new wallpapers? http://blog.uninstall.it/2010/06/24/kde-sc-4-5-wallpapers/19:18
lex79nice :)19:19
JontheEchidnaIt seems that mapping to the source model is a bit expensive: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopk28421-jpg.jpg19:20
shadeslayerwhats the difference between qt and qt quick?19:22
lex79JontheEchidna: How you can get that ^ map?19:23
lex79interesting :P19:23
JontheEchidnausing valgrind's callgrind tool19:24
lex79oh kcachegrind19:25
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brokenl00gRJontheEchidna: well, it apparently is what is calling PackageModel::data(), and that would appear to cause at least 1 million of those mallocs19:38
brokenl00gRthat mount of heap mambo jambo is probably heavy :)19:39
JontheEchidnaIt's sorting 30,000 packages alphabetically by package name :s19:39
brokenl00gRWell, first it must get the package data in I suppose ;)19:41
brokenl00gRthe sorting is done by the qAlgorithm stuff19:41
brokenl00gRthat ought not to be the expensive stuff here19:41
brokenl00gRdoes that block though?19:42
brokenl00gRor will it fill the model on-the-fly?19:42
JontheEchidnaThe initial loading/sorting of the model blocks the gui19:42
JontheEchidnafor like 3 seconds19:42
* brokenl00gR is wondering if one can fill the model in a thread19:43
brokenl00gRshould probably be possible if there is no weird thread scope issue19:43
brokenl00gRso it would fill the view on-the-fly19:43
brokenl00gRwhich ought to be possible since nothing else is happening if you have a view where you can delete stuff19:44
danttibrokenl00gR: thanks19:53
neversfelderc tarballs20:31
kubotuapachelogger, JontheEchidna, Lex79, neversfelde, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, nixternal and Quintasan ... to the Batcave!20:31
ScottKWhere do I get my 4.4.90 packages?  Aren't they done yet?  How come it isn't announced on kubuntu.org?20:32
lex79omg lol20:32
neversfeldeScottK: I'll answer later :D20:32
jjesseyeah were are they20:32
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shadeslayerneversfelde: me too!20:36
* shadeslayer wonders why kubotu doesnt list him20:37
lex79brokenl00gR: ^^20:37
brokenl00gRthe pit is open!!!!20:38
brokenl00gRJontheEchidna: ^ care to enlighten ;)20:40
JontheEchidnaI'm not feeling very enlightened at teh moment :(20:41
shadeslayerstupid dolphin asks for a password every time i go inside a dir20:41
shadeslayeromg.. oxygen icons == 130 MB 0_o20:42
* shadeslayer doesnt watch Dr. Who20:43
a|wenScottK: a quick look through the k3b patchset reveals that all patches seems to have a purpose, and they are in fact debian/kubuntu specific and not upstreamable ... only exception is debian/patches/debian-changes-1.92.0~rc3-1ubuntu1 which should be removed20:44
ScottKCool.  Thanks for checking.20:45
a|wenScottK: can you take care of removing the last one, or do you rather want a diff for it?20:46
ScottKI can do it.20:46
Quintasanlex79: how long would it take for kdelibs to compile?20:52
lex79where? in the ppa?20:52
lex791 - 1,5 hour20:52
ScottKIt can, however, fail in as little as a minute if you work at it.20:53
lex79btw this release shold be done for tomorrow I think20:53
lex79uhmm, I mean, we have to do this release for tomorrow I think :)20:54
Quintasanwelcomed by a failing patch20:56
shadeslayerQuintasan: same here :20:56
shadeslayerkdeplasma addons20:56
brokenl00gRshadeslayer: you should not mention such things in here really :P20:57
* shadeslayer doesnt know :P20:57
Quintasanbrokenl00gR: ha? why not20:57
Quintasanah it's Harald20:58
shadeslayerQuintasan: lol20:58
* shadeslayer wonders if brokenl00gR can invite him to the secret channel ...20:58
shadeslayerlex79: you need this done by tommorrow ?20:59
shadeslayer*tomorrow 20:59
brokenl00gRI could20:59
lex79me too20:59
lex79shadeslayer: I think so21:00
Quintasanuds.insert( KIO::UDSEntry::UDS_URL, nieUrl.url() );21:00
Quintasanis replaced with21:00
Quintasanuds.insert( KIO::UDSEntry::UDS_TARGET_URL, fileUrl.url() );21:00
Quintasando we want it like that?21:00
shadeslayerlex79: ill have to work all night :P21:00
QuintasanI have school year's end ceremony21:00
lex79Quintasan: name of the patch?21:00
shadeslayeroh my.. i get 404 on packages ...21:01
* shadeslayer checks mirror21:01
* lex79 uploaded kdelibs21:01
lex79record !21:01
* ScottK thought we didn't use the private channel anymore.21:01
shadeslayerlex79: seriously 21:02
Quintasanlex79: kubuntu_88_nepomuksearch_uds-url.diff21:02
lex79Quintasan: fixed by upstream21:03
lex79disable it in the series21:03
shadeslayerlex79: any idea of kubuntu_02_microblog_default_configuration.diff in kdeplasma-addons?21:03
lex79I know21:03
Quintasanshadeslayer: that's mine!21:04
shadeslayerQuintasan: thats your patch?21:04
QuintasanRiddell: shall we give it a test run now?21:04
brokenl00gRshadeslayer: try jioning21:04
shadeslayerQuintasan: it fails to apply :P21:04
Quintasanshadeslayer: well, I just modified it to work21:04
lex79maybe you have to refresh the patch? :)21:04
shadeslayerhehe :D21:05
Quintasanshadeslayer: can you check if it's just a few lines offset?21:05
* shadeslayer hits F521:05
shadeslayerQuintasan: sure thing.. ive disabled it for now,letting it build without21:05
Quintasanshadeslayer: we want that for Social from the Start21:05
shadeslayerhehe :P21:05
shadeslayerQuintasan: it reads the kubuntu twitter feed?21:06
Quintasanthough I just fixed it and it fails to apply21:06
Quintasanshadeslayer: yeah21:06
shadeslayerQuintasan: ill build it with the patch in pbuilder.. just need to adjust mirrors21:06
Quintasanlex79: is it okay to upload now and then retry?21:06
shadeslayerQuintasan: yep21:07
ScottKbrokenl00gR: I tought we didn't use that channel anymore since we just get tarballs from ktown.21:07
shadeslayerthats what i do :P21:07
lex79Quintasan: are you building against kdelibs 4.4.90 ?21:07
lex79how you can see if there are missing file?21:07
brokenl00gRScottK: we dont :P21:07
Quintasanlex79: kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.4)21:08
QuintasanI conclude it will use 4.4.90 :P21:08
lex79uhm...again..test building is done in local to see if there are missing file?21:08
Quintasanoh crap21:09
lex79or anything else?21:09
QuintasanI built it in lucid pbuilder21:09
Quintasanno wonder it fails to do anything21:09
* lex79 starts to cry21:10
Quintasanmah skills are getting rusty21:10
Quintasanno sleep tomorrow21:10
shadeslayerthe benefits of installing maverick21:10
Quintasanshadeslayer: are there any?21:11
Quintasanexcept for unstable system ofc21:11
shadeslayerQuintasan: hehe.. well packaging for maverick is easier :P21:11
shadeslayerno need to switch lucid with maverick in changelog21:11
* shadeslayer likes unstable systems21:12
Quintasanlex79: well. bumping kde-sc-dev-latest leaves me with a pretty nice break in buildlog :P21:12
shadeslayerQuintasan: hahaha21:13
* shadeslayer is pissed off with his local mirror21:13
shadeslayerW: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch21:13
Quintasanshadeslayer: fix my patch instead of laughing :P21:13
lex79someone makes this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph for a reason21:13
Quintasanthat's damn nice21:14
Quintasanlex79: thanks21:14
shadeslayerQuintasan: you didnt know about that?21:14
lex79no problem21:14
Quintasanshadeslayer: well, I didn't21:14
* Quintasan scratches his head21:15
shadeslayerQuintasan: ah ok.. that is a must for every... you know who21:15
Quintasanhmm, my debian stable machine just broke after upgrade21:15
Quintasanhow's that stable?21:15
QuintasanI'm going to set up a NAS21:17
Quintasan4x 80GB HDDs21:17
brokenl00gRkubotu: wp nas21:19
kubotuResults for nas: 1. Nas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nas | 2. Network-attached storage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-attached_storage | 3. Nas (disambiguation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nas_(disambiguation)21:19
kubotu[1] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia21:19
ScottKa|wen: Uploaded (k3b).  Thanks again.21:22
a|wenScottK: thanks21:22
shadeslayeroh how can upstream do this to me21:22
shadeslayeroh theyre in not-installed21:23
shadeslayersaved :P21:23
shadeslayerRiddell: hey!21:28
shadeslayerRiddell: side note, 4.4.90 is in ktown21:28
Riddellhow exciting21:29
QuintasanRiddell: \o21:30
shadeslayerQuintasan: on your patch http://shadeslayer.pastebin.com/HSu1vziA21:30
Quintasanshadeslayer: seems like it is some lines offset21:31
lex79look at timelinesource.cpp and fix :)21:31
Riddellwaa, squillions of e-mails21:38
neversfeldebetter delete them21:39
neversfeldemust be spam21:39
ScottKIf any of it's important, they'll email again.21:40
shadeslayerQuintasan: bah21:41
shadeslayerQuintasan: you know what... the problem is with whitespaces21:41
shadeslayerone extra whitespace21:41
shadeslayerin various LOC21:41
shadeslayerrealised this after going through half the diff21:42
Quintasanoh well21:42
Quintasanshadeslayer: enjoy :P21:42
* Quintasan has to go to bed21:42
shadeslayerill leave this for now then :P21:43
Quintasanschool is ending tomorrow \o/21:43
shadeslayerwill work on something that works :P21:43
NCommanderlex79: what do you want test built?21:44
lex79NCommander: ScottK already uploaded the package in archive, thanks :)21:44
* ScottK got impatient.21:45
lex79Quintasan: still around? :)21:45
Quintasanlex79: ?21:45
lex79Quintasan: can you push to bzr what you have? :)21:45
Quintasanlex79: pushed, leave some work for me :P21:48
* shadeslayer thinks lex79 is a workaholic21:48
Quintasanshadeslayer: he just has too much computer power21:49
Quintasannight guys21:49
Lindowsokay, so a couple of things:21:49
Lindowsminor: 1) it appears kpackagekit, the settings for "just notify me of updates" is ignored and they are installed anyway (kubuntu 10.04)21:50
Lindowsmuch more serious: ext4 is still broken for large files21:50
shadeslayerLindows: uh.. are you in the right channel?21:50
Lindowsthis is the kubuntu-devel channel, right?21:50
Lindowsso where would I complain about ext4 bugs and that it shouldn't be the default file system for kubuntu?21:51
Lindowsbecause it STILL CORRUPTS files21:51
shadeslayerLindows: at bugs.launchpad ?21:51
Lindowsso what is this channel for?21:51
shadeslayerLindows: also theres #ubuntu-installer21:52
Lindowsbut its the kubutnu-installer thats the problem21:52
Lindowsokay, nevermind21:52
neversfeldestrange guy21:56
* shadeslayer throws segfaults at lex7921:56
shadeslayeradded with extra plasma goodness :D21:57
shadeslayergo go bulldog98 :D21:59
shadeslayerbulldog98: got your wiki setup?21:59
bulldog98shadeslayer: yes https://wiki.kubuntu.org/bulldog98 copied a bit of your side ^^22:00
shadeslayerbulldog98: no problem... i release everything under GPL3 ;)22:00
ScottKshadeslayer: Please do KDE stuff GPL2+22:01
shadeslayercontents are a bit off22:01
bulldog98shadeslayer: d*m what to do if I need GPL2+ or KDE work22:01
bulldog98ScottK: +122:01
shadeslayerScottK: why tho?22:02
ScottKshadeslayer: Because a lot of KDE stuff is GPL2 and GPL2 and 3 aren't compatible.22:02
bulldog98shadeslayer: KDE is under GPLv2+22:02
ScottKbulldog98: It's not all 2+.  There is also 2.22:02
RiddellKDE licence policy is for GPL 2+ for stuff in SVN, it means it's all the same so you can copy and paste code without caring about licence and it means you can link to GPL 2 only bits22:03
Riddelllike poppler and some other libraries22:03
shadeslayerwell.... kdeaccessibility == done22:04
shadeslayerjust checking once more with pbuilder22:04
shadeslayerdoes anyone watch The IT crowd?22:06
Riddellnew series today isn't it?22:07
shadeslayerRiddell: dunno.. someone recommended it to me :P22:08
shadeslayerIndia always lags behind in such stuff22:08
shadeslayerhmm.. do we need usr/share/kde4/services/kttsd.desktop22:09
Riddellis it in debian/not-installed?22:10
shadeslayeralso kttsd has be replaced by jovie22:10
Riddellso it should probably go in the jovie package22:11
shadeslayerwe already have that22:12
RiddellI'd work from the assumption that upstream know what they're doing22:12
Riddellthis isn't always a correct assumption but it's usually the best starting point :)22:12
Riddellask jpwhiting to check22:13
Riddellhe's in #kde-devel22:13
shadeslayerRiddell: we need to ship both22:14
Riddellas I say, best to trust upstream unless there's a very good reason :)22:16
shadeslayerRiddell: what pinotree doesnt believe me now? :P22:20
shadeslayerlex79: kdelibs built... wohoo22:20
Riddellshadeslayer: pino is from debian, they have high standards :)22:22
shadeslayeroh :P22:22
shadeslayerRiddell: well i can see that from my revu uploads :P22:22
shadeslayers/my/comments on my22:22
shadeslayeri even get asked to correct verbose lintian errors 22:23
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shadeslayerRiddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdeaccessibility/ubuntu/+merge/2847022:42
Riddellping me in half an hour if I don't get to that shadeslayer 22:43
shadeslayerlex79: kdeaccessibility is up ;)22:49
shadeslayerheh.. brokenl00gR still didnt add me to ~ninjas :P22:53
lex79kdeaccessibility merged23:07
shadeslayerlex79: thanks23:10
shadeslayerofirk: poke23:10
shadeslayerbefore i forget :P23:10
shadeslayerofirk: theres a Kubuntu Meeting this monday23:11
shadeslayerofirk: are you still interested in applying for memebership?23:11
ofirkshadeslayer: I saw your email23:12
ofirkshadeslayer: yes23:12
shadeslayerofirk: ok awesome,youll need to complete all the steps then ;)23:12
shadeslayerthen theres something about the new kubuntu.org :D23:13
shadeslayerofirk: why are we using the old KDE theme in the new site?23:13
ofirkshadeslayer: do you mean, sign the code of conduct, upload GPG and write a personal page on the wiki?23:13
shadeslayerofirk: theres more23:14
ofirkshadeslayer: more :(23:14
shadeslayerofirk: one sec23:14
shadeslayerofirk: join https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members23:15
shadeslayerwhich is about it i think :P23:16
ofirkshadeslayer: done!23:16
ofirkshadeslayer: thanks :)23:16
* shadeslayer hugs ofirk23:16
ofirkshadeslayer: about the theme...23:16
ofirkshadeslayer: where? at the homepage?23:16
shadeslayerthe circle overlay is the old theme23:16
shadeslayer( but it looks good imo )23:17
shadeslayerbut i gathered some feedback and people said that we should use the new theme23:17
ofirkfeedback is very important23:17
shadeslayerofirk: the wallpaper is old too... 23:18
shadeslayerand that we should show actual devices running Kubuntu... like ubuntu.com does23:18
shadeslayerbrokenl00gR: anything you want to add?23:19
ofirkWhat devices?23:19
shadeslayerofirk: open ubuntu.com23:19
ofirkthey should look shiny and cool23:19
shadeslayerofirk: well.. it could a community contributed pic...23:20
shadeslayerbut thats what i got as feedback ;)23:20
ofirkshadeslayer: I want to show you an idea I have for the new download page23:21
ofirkshadeslayer: There are 5 download options23:22
shadeslayersure... send me the link :)23:22
ofirkvery confusing for the avg. user23:22
ofirkso: http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download23:22
ofirkI just started working on this23:22
shadeslayeroh pretty awesome23:23
shadeslayerofirk: suggestion : add a note about using torrente23:23
ofirkI think that a table which will summaries important facts about each option and gather them by their common23:23
ofirknoted, thanks!23:24
shadeslayerand do we need the table at the right?23:24
ofirkthe one above the torrents?23:24
shadeslayerInstall at your own risk!  sounds scary :p23:24
shadeslayerofirk: the one on the right23:25
ofirkyes, it should be :)23:25
shadeslayerNavigation and stuff23:25
ofirkwell, it depends23:25
ofirkit can make navigation easier23:26
ofirkbut there is the upper menu which can be used for navigation23:26
shadeslayerhmm.. well if we have a navigation bar at top23:26
shadeslayerofirk: :P23:26
ofirkthe problem with the upper menu is the space limit23:27
ofirkit can only handle 5 links23:27
shadeslayerofirk: most people would like to return to the home page after hitting download23:27
shadeslayerofirk: oh! add something so that people can use a mirror from nearby23:27
ofirkit can be done by using the breadcrumb bar23:27
shadeslayerto download the ISO23:28
shadeslayerlike a dropdown menu23:28
shadeslayerwe dont want to overload the main servers :P23:28
ofirkfor now it is impossible to automatically choose a mirror near-by, and listing all of them will just make people crazy23:28
ofirkso only the main mirror will be listed23:29
ofirkI hope that for the next kubuntu release the download page will be able to redirect the user to a mirror near him23:29
shadeslayerofirk: ok,btw ubuntu.com automatically randomizes the mirror23:30
shadeslayerso maybe you can look at their source code23:30
shadeslayeri think were merging the netbook edition and desktop edition into one23:31
ofirkkubuntu.org can't use php scripts (and any other server side scripting) so we are stuck with nothing that can handle mirrors...23:31
shadeslayerso you might want to keep that in mind :)23:31
shadeslayerofirk: bah...23:31
ofirkbut they are different, no?23:31
shadeslayerofirk: nope23:31
shadeslayerofirk: its in our specs for maverick23:31
shadeslayerMerge Kubuntu and Kubuntu Netbook into a single image23:32
ofirkthis will decrease confusion. I think this is good choice!23:32
shadeslayerofirk: yes,Riddell is working on a script that detects screen size and will launch plasma-* accordingly23:32
ofirknow I figured that kubuntu has 7 different download links23:34
ofirk2 dvd, 2 cd, 1 netbook, 2 alternate23:34
shadeslayerofirk: nice work with http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour23:34
ofirkthanks again :)23:34
ofirkbtw, I wanted to use real devices for the feature tour but couldn't find nice looking once23:35
shadeslayerwe could run a competition of sorts for this23:35
shadeslayerbest device gets featured23:35
ofirkbut we need vendor approval for using their brand on our site23:36
shadeslayerhmm... idk about all the details :P23:36
shadeslayerofirk: oh and will it be possible to add a twitter/identi.ca stream to the main page?23:36
shadeslayerjust goes ahead to show the ' Social Desktop '23:37
ofirkmaybe for the next release23:37
ofirkI want to launch the site as soon as possible...23:37
shadeslayerofirk: yeah :D23:37
shadeslayerofirk: i cant think of anything else :P23:38
ofirkmulti-language support. which languages do you speak?23:38
shadeslayerand English :P23:39
shadeslayerofirk: is there a help.ubuntu.com in the making?23:39
shadeslayerofirk: oh and please please please put IRC above forums in http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/community23:40
shadeslayerlive chat > forums imo23:40
ofirkIRC above forums makes sense23:40
ofirkabout help.*.*, not right now, but ryan is working on a theme for the wiki23:41
shadeslayerwhoo :D23:41
ofirkI guess help.ubuntu.com won't be themed since it is a ubuntu site, not kubuntu (is there help.kubuntu.org?)23:41
shadeslayerofirk: then http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/support also needs re ordering23:42
shadeslayercommunity , then answers , free docs and then paid support23:42
descendent87why are kubuntuforums reccomended above ubuntuforums? surely we should be using ubuntuforums as it is the same base so a lot of the problems are shared with ubuntu and there is a lot more activity on there than the kubuntuforums23:42
ofirkdescendent87: you are right. this is a left over from the old site...23:44
shadeslayerofirk: oh and on the live chat page,can we have instructions on getting onto the IRC? ( specifically with quassel )23:44
ofirkshadeslayer: I think that free docs is the best place for help (help.ubuntu.com)23:44
shadeslayera screenshot guided tour kind of thing23:44
ofirkthis should go into the wiki23:44
ofirkif you can make one and upload it to the wiki, I will be glad to link to it23:45
shadeslayersure 23:45
shadeslayerofirk: ill do it this weekend and put it in the ML23:45
shadeslayerofirk: any particular screen size ( aka resolution )23:45
descendent87ofirk: that's cool, just wondered as new kubuntu users will get help a lot quicker on ubuntu forums23:46
ofirkshadeslayer: no23:46
shadeslayerok.. well i have a 1440x900 screen :P23:46
ofirkshadeslayer: it will be best if you do it on a clean install of 10.04 so you will be able to explain it for begginers who just installed kubuntu23:47
ofirkshadeslayer: you can use vm for this...23:47
shadeslayerofirk: oh i can just create a new user ;)23:47
shadeslayeror a VM would do too :D23:47
ofirkshadeslayer: yep :)23:47
shadeslayerofirk: ok,added to TODO ;)23:48
Riddellshadeslayer: don't think I'll get to kdeaccessibility merge or indeed anything else tonight, will do tomorrow morning23:49
shadeslayerRiddell: already merged ;)23:49
Riddelloh, groovy23:49
shadeslayerRiddell: thanks to lex7923:49
shadeslayerofirk: anything else you need from me?23:51
shadeslayerim pretty much free 24x7 these days23:51
ofirkshadeslayer: I wish I was free...23:52
ofirkshadeslayer: no thanks!23:52
shadeslayer( if only i knew how to code websites,i could help there too )23:52
shadeslayerofirk: whats the new site coded in btw?23:52
ofirkshadeslayer: it uses drupal 6 which is php, js, html and css for markup23:53
shadeslayerofirk: where can i learn this? ( im a n00b at website making :P )23:53
descendent87is kde 4.5 beta 2 running a lot slower than 4.4 for anyone else? I have an ATI Radeon HD3200 card using the os ati driver and KDE feels a lot slower to me, clicking anything takes a few seconds to respond etc. Just want to check it's not a known bug or video driver issue before I report it23:54
ofirkshadeslayer: I learned php from the php manual website23:54
shadeslayerdescendent87: yeah its a bit slow23:54
ofirkbut that was 8 years ago I think...23:54
shadeslayerofirk: i thought drupal was a sort of CDBMS 23:54
descendent87shadeslayer: at least it's not just me experiencing it then23:55
ofirkshadeslayer: it is a CMS23:55
shadeslayerofirk: yes thats what i meant ;)23:55
ofirkshadeslayer: actually an abstract CMS, so it makes it more difficult to learn23:56
shadeslayerdescendent87: yeah,i get random lock ups and stuff23:56
ofirkbut has you learn how to use wordpress, for example, you get used to the idea of CMS23:56
shadeslayerthere was another CMS system i started to learn.. then i got fed up :P23:56
ofirkit's nice to play with them but if you don't have anything specific, you will leave it23:57
shadeslayerlex79: suppose i want to switch mirrors in pbuilder,what do i do>23:57
shadeslayeredited pbuilderrc btw 23:58
macoshadeslayer: pbuilder login --save-after-login (umm check the manpage)23:58
macoshadeslayer: then use sed to replace the URL with the mirror's URL23:58
ofirkshadeslayer: so you program with C++?23:58
macoshadeslayer: then exit the pbuilder and itll retar with your changes saved23:58
macoshadeslayer: im not sure about my -- part of the command, hence the manpage reference23:59
shadeslayerofirk: i know C++ ,but learning to use Qt and KDE libs,also i help package KDE and in bug triaging23:59
shadeslayermaco: oh sure no problem ;)23:59

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