[00:06] <arand> A kernel build that I want to stick in a PPA is at least 21G *in-build-size*, is there a cap for builds on PPAs?
[01:12] <tsimpson> arand: 2GB, unless you ask for more
[01:13] <tsimpson> on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[01:13] <tsimpson> and is it really 21GB?!
[01:13] <dlynch> is it a known problem that keyserver.ubuntu.com could be down? (or is a DNS problem for me?)
[01:15] <wgrant> tsimpson: 21GB is presumably the build size.
[01:15] <wgrant> Not the size of resulting binaries.
[01:15] <wgrant> But yes, Ubuntu kernel builds can easily get that large.
[01:15] <tsimpson> right, it's too late for me to understand simple english apparently
[01:15] <wgrant> I'm not sure how big the PPA VMs are, but they should be sufficient.
[01:15] <wgrant> If not, you'll find out when the build fails.
[01:23] <arand> wgrant: Ok, I spoke to someone who's kernel build failed for that reason some time ago, but I've also had people reporting success, so I'll see then the build log comes down I guess..
 I either have ~/Projects/ProjectName/{trunk,branch1,branch2,...} or ~/Projects/ProjectName/{trunk,branches/branch1,branches/branch2,...}
[01:35] <idnar> exarkun: I guess this is a bit OT, but I assume you're not using Combinator with the former layout; what /are/ you using for sys.path management, if anything?
[01:58] <exarkun> idnar: Sometimes I just edit the .pth file directly
[01:58] <exarkun> idnar: I don't have many projects like that that I actually use combinator to manage at all though
[01:58] <idnar> exarkun: mmm
[01:59] <idnar> exarkun: I find Combinator is the easiest way to get the project I just checked out onto sys.path, but maybe I should start doing something else instead
[01:59] <idnar> the PROJECT_NAME/branches/BRANCH_NAME layout is rather inconvenient with bzr
[02:03] <exarkun> idnar: Lemmie know if you figure something else out
[02:12] <20QAA96AQ> i rebooted my pc, forgot to write my ssh key password down. is it stored somewhere in plaintext on lucid?
[02:13] <exarkun> The passphrase for your encrypted ssh key file?
[02:13] <exarkun> I sure hope not.
[02:13] <20QAA96AQ> yes.. something i blurted out, wrote it down somewhere
[02:13] <20QAA96AQ> ugh found it
[02:32] <wgrant> 20QAA96AQ: Writing down passwords like that is very unwise.
[02:42] <idnar> wgrant: I dunno, only keeping it in your head seems equally unwise
[02:42] <wgrant> idnar: One may result in your inability to access services.
[02:42] <wgrant> The other may result in others' inability to access your services.
[02:42] <wgrant> Er.
[02:42] <wgrant> others' *ability*.
[02:43] <idnar> I guess you have to decide which of those is worse in your particular case
[03:14] <dlynch> 20QAA96AQ, try the program revelation, it works like a charm
[09:01] <apw> can anyone tell me how i use a Private PPA as a PPA to install packages from
[09:03] <apw> or are they, as it seems, completely useless even if you are subscribed to them
[09:03] <noodles775> apw: is it your own private ppa, or someone elses? Either way, you need to be added as a subscriber by the owner of the archive, and then you'll be sent an email.
[09:03] <apw> noodles775, i am a subscriber to the private PPA yes
[09:03] <wgrant> If you're subscribed, visit https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+archivesubscriptions
[09:03] <wgrant> Click on the 'View' link next to the relevant archive, and that will give you URLs.
[09:04] <apw> wgrant, wow yes thanks
[09:04] <noodles775> apw: so you shoudl have received an email which would have the above link ^^ (maybe a mail error, or is it in your spam folder?)
[09:04] <apw> noodles775, mail error i think, the team that got subscribed and subscribed me meant that i didn't get the email
[09:04] <apw> but the link is the right thing!  thanks
[09:04] <noodles775> Great.
[09:53] <napster> Can anyone get me a offiline reference manual ?
[09:54] <napster> of gettext utils?
[10:19] <sjamaan> Hi. Why is https://bugs.launchpad.net/dulwich/+bug/589522 not shown on my subscribed bugs page: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~peter-bex/+subscribedbugs ?
[10:19] <sjamaan> yeahyeah, silly bot
[10:26] <wgrant> sjamaan: Duplicate and closed bugs are hidden from listings by default.
[10:27] <wgrant> And, as you can see, 589522 is marked as a duplicate of 588724.
[10:27] <wgrant> Bug #5977
[10:28] <sjamaan> wgrant: But I'm subscribed to that one through the duplicate, it says
[10:28] <sjamaan> I do get notifications
[10:31] <wgrant> sjamaan: Yeah, but +reportedbugs only shows direct subscriptions.
[10:31] <wgrant> It probably shouldn't.
[10:31] <sjamaan> indeed
[10:51] <jpds>  /12
[11:36] <blues> re
[11:36] <blues> hello
[11:36] <blues> I have problem with url
[11:36] <blues> https://code.launchpad.net/~jajcus-jajcus/upstart/state-save-stable/+merge/27053/+preview-diff/+files/preview.diff
[11:37] <blues> it gives me "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server."
[11:37] <blues> "Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode. "
[11:37] <blues> I'm letting you know: D
[11:37] <blues> :D
[11:38] <blues> am I doing something wrong?
[11:43] <jml> blues, not that I know of.
[11:44] <jml> blues, the diff you have there is very big though.
[11:45] <jml> blues, when I download the diff it works for me
[11:46] <blues> jml: I don't see any link for diff download....
[11:47] <jml> blues, search for "Download diff"
[11:54] <blues> jml: ok - but https://code.launchpad.net/~jajcus-jajcus/upstart/state-save-stable there is no such link
[11:54] <jml> blues, I meant on https://code.launchpad.net/~jajcus-jajcus/upstart/state-save-stable/+merge/27053/
[11:56] <blues> jml: 502: Bad Gateway
[11:57] <jml> blues, it works for me.
[12:01] <blues> jml: on second try it worked for me too
[12:01] <blues> strange
[12:39] <legnaleurc> hello, i created a new ppa repo. for half month ago, but it lacks Release.gpg in the repo. do anybody know what can i do for this problem?
[12:51] <Mez> trying to run launchpad - failing at starting postgres again
[13:00] <maxb> legnaleurc: Signing will happen only after you first upload a package to the repository
[13:01] <asac> ho ... i cant access the +archivesubscriptions page of my user anymore: no permission
[13:01] <legnaleurc> maxb: but i had upload a source to that repo already ...
[13:01] <maxb> Which PPA?
[13:02] <legnaleurc> maxb: http://ppa.launchpad.net/legnaleurc/foolproofproject/ubuntu/dists/karmic/
[13:03] <maxb> In that case, I guess it's just a race between the key being generated for the new PPA, and the package publication
[13:04] <maxb> It should be signed properly after the next change you make that causes the Release file to be republished
[13:06] <legnaleurc> maxb: will it posibily fixed if i simply re-upload the packages?
[13:06] <maxb> yes
[13:26] <DeeJay1> hi, could someone take a look at what's wrong with https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~deejay1/+recipe/daily/+build/60 ?
[15:26] <czajkowski> mrevell: ping
[15:26] <mrevell> Hey czajkowski, how's it going?
[15:27] <czajkowski> not bad, was that you who just tweeted on lauchpad?
[15:27] <mrevell> czajkowski, Aye, that's me.
[15:27] <czajkowski> well from launchpad ac?
[15:28] <czajkowski> mrevell: trying to get locoteams using #locoteams tag to get more of them involved and get feedback, might be of some use
[15:28] <mrevell> Ah cool :)
[15:29] <czajkowski> aye tis kkinda working to see what teams are doing
[15:29] <czajkowski> but if more folks use it we can get greater feedback
[15:48] <smallfoot-> launchpad sucks, everytime i try report bug it fucks up
[15:49] <smallfoot-> Timeout error
[15:49] <smallfoot-> (Error ID: OOPS-1636K2329)
[15:49] <maco> language :(
[15:49] <smallfoot-> :(
[15:49] <smallfoot-> fix launchpage
[15:51] <jpds> smallfoot-: Please be civil.
[15:51] <smallfoot-> sorry you cant report bugs cuz there is a bug that prevents you from reporting bugs
[15:54] <jml> smallfoot-, which page were you using to try to report a bug?
[15:56] <smallfoot-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[15:56] <smallfoot-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect
[15:57] <jml> smallfoot-, thanks.
[15:58] <jml> smallfoot-, that's a known bug. see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/426946. If you know the package that the bug is on (or you can make a good guess), then I'd suggest filing a bug there.
[16:00] <deryck> jml, smallfoot- Actually, I thought we were in pretty good shape for filing a bug now.  Sometimes lesser access packages will need a reload before it will go through, due to cache.
[16:00] <deryck> unfortunately, we loose all the form data on reload.
[16:00] <deryck> edge may have some fixes not on lpnet yet, though.
[16:01] <jml> deryck, good shape, even for filing a bug on Ubuntu directly?
[16:01] <deryck> jml, yup
[16:01] <jml> deryck, that's awesome :)
[16:01] <deryck> there was a more recent bug.... let me see.
[16:02] <jml> well, apart from the  issues on lpnet, of course
[16:04] <deryck> jml, yeah, so the bug you cited above is about the dupe search timing out.  Which is hard to fix.  The OOPS you just linked should be fixed in 10.06 rollout.
[16:04] <jml> deryck, ahh ok.
[16:08] <smallfoot-> edge worked better
[16:10] <smallfoot-> oh
[16:33] <rowinggolfer> I've started a new launchpad project https://launchpad.net/qt-o-fax and I can't get project downloads to work.
[16:33] <rowinggolfer> has this facility been withdrawn?
[16:34] <rowinggolfer> ah.. no matter I have to make a release.. I remember now.
[19:06] <bladernr_> Hey, can someone clue me in about merging branches via bzr and launchpad?
[19:07] <bladernr_> I and another guy have branches of the same project and we're working on the same thing, so instead of us working at opposite ends, we just want to choose one of our branches and use that for development
[19:07] <bladernr_> What I'm trying to figure out, is can he push code into my branch (it's public, but under my name) or can he do  merge request and specify my branch as the project (instead of the main project)
[19:08] <bladernr_> we're just trying to figure out how to get to where we're only working out of one branch together, since we're collaborating on what really amounts to the same pieces of the same tool.
[19:10] <james_w> bladernr_: you can create a project and both of you can push branches to that project under your own name
[19:11] <bladernr_> Is that kosher if we're just adding enhancements to an existing project?
[19:11] <james_w> so you could push to lp:~bladernr/project/some-branch and he can push to lp:~his-id/project/some-brnach
[19:11] <bladernr_> I thought about doing it that way, but didn't want to end up with what would look like forks of existing projects
[19:11] <james_w> you can live perfectly happily like that if you like, and merge between the two of you if you like
[19:12] <james_w> you can also create a merge proposal from your branch that would request that he merges in to your branch
[19:12] <bladernr_> hrmmm... then he'd have to branch and merge all his changes every time though, yes?
[19:12] <james_w> there is another way though, and that is to create a team, with both you in it, and then push a branch to lp:~team-id/project/some-branch
[19:12] <james_w> then both of you can push to that one branch
[19:13] <bladernr_> hrmmmm.... actually Option 3 seems like the best option... that way we can be a bit more public about it too (we're working on adding applications to Mago)
[19:13] <james_w> if this is a project you are starting then you can also nominate that branch to be lp:project so that everyone else knows that's the focus of development
[19:13] <james_w> bladernr_: is the intention to get these merged in to mago as you go, or will it be a fork that lives for a while on its own?
[19:14] <bladernr_> For now, I think the idea is to get one application added with working test cases, propose that, and then start on another application
[19:15] <james_w> and you want to collaborate on that one app to start with?
[19:15] <bladernr_> not sure how long it will live though, to be honest... hopefully no more than a month or so
[19:15] <bladernr_> yeah
[19:15] <james_w> ok, sounds like you want a team
[19:15] <james_w> so either pick a team you are already both part of that is suitable, or create a new team for this purpose
[19:16] <james_w> once you have that set up you can push either your current branch or his to lp:~team-id/mago/add-foo-application
[19:16] <james_w> then you can merge the other branch in to that and push again
[19:16] <james_w> then you can both work on that branch as you like
[19:16] <james_w> once it is ready then you can propose that branch for merging in to lp:mago and start a new one, again under the team
[19:19] <bladernr_> excellent.  Thanks for the advice :)
[19:20] <james_w> I'm stepping out for dinner now, someone else will be glad to help if that wasn't clear
[19:27] <psusi> the launchpad help file QuestionLifeCycle states that a question in the open or needs information state for 2 weeks will be automatically expired, but that does not seem to be happening
[19:27] <psusi> I'm looking at questions that have been sitting there for months and are still open and needs information...
[19:30] <psusi> is the documentation wrong or should I file a bug against lp?
[19:32] <jelmer_> psusi: please file a bug
[19:32] <psusi> doing so now...
[19:33] <jelmer_> psusi: thanks
[19:33] <psusi> is there a way to manually edit the status of a question?
[19:57] <jelmer_> psusi: yeah, you should be able to click on the yellow icon next to the status to change it
[19:58] <jelmer_> psusi: I think you have to be in the team that owns the project to be able to do that though
[20:33] <l0nwlf> 00:31:07 l0nwlf-MBP:~/Desktop/python-email6/Doc$ bzr push lp:~anand-shashwat/python-email6/email6
[20:33] <l0nwlf> ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Operation timed out
[20:33] <l0nwlf> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug
[20:33] <l0nwlf> I am behind proxy
[20:33] <l0nwlf> how can I make lp work ?
[20:36] <lifeless> you need to get port 22 to be permitted
[20:38] <l0nwlf> lifeless: that is not in my hands :(
[20:38] <l0nwlf> lifeless: if I can bypass it, things will be resolved
[20:38] <lifeless> yes
[20:38] <lifeless> there are third party tools that may help
[20:38] <lifeless> that can open a tunnel through proxies
[20:38] <lifeless> you would then use
[20:39] <l0nwlf> lifeless: any tool you recommnd (OS is OSX)
[20:39] <lifeless> bzr+ssh://localhost:portnumber/~anand-shashwat/python-email6/email6
[20:39] <lifeless> as your URL
[20:39] <lifeless> and have the tunnel connected to bazaar.launchpad.net port 22
[20:39] <lifeless> l0nwlf: I'll have a quick look and see if I recognise any names
[20:40] <l0nwlf> lifeless: thanks
[21:03] <psusi> I can't seem to convert a bug to a question... keep getting Error ID: OOPS-1636C2643
[21:08] <psusi> jelmer_: well I'm a member of ubuntu-bugsquad, so I can normally edit bugs... and I can edit other aspects of the question, just not the status... can only ubuntu-dev members change the status of a question?