[04:34] popey: No clue what benjamin is trying to say [06:55] morning all [06:57] good morning ara :) [06:57] morning nigelb [07:00] good morning [07:05] morning ara and dholbach [07:05] morning ddecator, dholbach [07:05] hey ddecator, hi ara [07:05] how are you all doing? [07:05] doing good :), yourself? [07:06] smashing day today, I just learned my latop has motherboard issues :/ [07:06] slowly waking up and doing a bit of sponsoring [07:06] * dholbach hugs nigelb [07:06] nigelb: are you able to get it fixed? [07:06] that sucks :/ [07:06] pleia2: they'll give it today to the motherboard guys and then give me an estimate if it can be fixed and how it will cost etc [07:07] nigelb: good luck! [07:07] sorry nigelb :( [07:07] pleia2: thanks, I definitely need lots of luck [07:07] ddecator: thank you :) [07:07] dholbach: truly sucks, can't package a thing :/ [07:08] For the Record: HP sucks! [07:08] nigelb: nah, sometimes if you send them a broken comp, it takes them so long to fix it they send you a new one...then the old one repaired :) [07:09] mine is out of warranty, so its gone to my company's hardware guys [07:09] then that's not likely :( [07:10] yeah, I just hope it fixed and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to fix [07:10] or they replace it for you [08:37] aloha [08:38] hey czajkowski [08:38] dholbach: morning [08:43] dholbach: hows you? [08:43] good good, thanks [08:43] how 'bout you? [08:44] catching up on work [08:44] had to put things to the side for last couple of weeks, studying for jobs and interviews [08:45] yeah, I can imagine [09:35] morning all! [09:36] hey popey [09:38] popey: good morning :) [09:48] james_w: who should I pester for a UDD session for UDW? :-D [09:49] dholbach: I think the target would be james_w ;) [09:50] he explains it better than anyone :) [09:50] nigelb: I thought james_w might have some new friends who could do it too :) [09:51] aha :) [10:21] good morning all! [10:21] dpm: hi Alter [10:21] hey :) [10:21] dpm: denkst Du "Extending the Launchpad API" wäre 'ne gute Idee für UDW? [10:22] dpm: vielleicht könnten wir Adi und Freunde einspannen :) [10:22] dpm: hast Du gestern Fußball geguckt? :) [10:22] dholbach, ja, aber UDW ist genau in der LP EPIC Woche (LP Sprint) [10:23] dpm: eine Stunde sollten die Jungs doch Zeit haben :) [10:23] da sitzen dann alle in einem Raum und können Tipps geben :) [10:23] dholbach, nee, gestern könnte ich nicht, ich hatte die Hochzeit :) [10:23] ahhhhhhhhh, stimmt! [10:23] wie wars? [10:23] dholbach, sehr lustig, war sehr cool [10:23] * nigelb looks at channel and goes O_O [10:23] :-) [10:24] dholbach, sie hat um 20:00 angefangen [10:24] dpm: das Spiel war auch nicht so besonders - gegen England müssen die Jungs sich mehr anstrengen [10:24] dpm: how many languages do you speak..... [10:24] czajkowski: all of them [10:24] hey nigelb :) Nothing secret here, you can use google translate [10:25] no wonder he's the translations coordinator [10:25] dpm picks up the slack when the translation teams are lazy [10:25] dpm: was there something about a wedding? [10:25] czajkowski, Catalan, Spanish, German, English, no more [10:25] dholbach, lol [10:25] dpm: it was clear that "Catalan" was first [10:25] dpm: Terrorist! [10:25] nigelb, yeah, I went to a wedding last night [10:25] hahaha [10:26] dpm: is there a massive difference in Catalan and Spanish ? [10:26] The fun starts when we start talking in a language that google translate can't translate :D [10:27] czajkowski: oh yes [10:27] nigelb: google never fails :) [10:28] randa_: Aloha ;) [10:28] czajkowski: big difference IMO, I speak Spanish and don't understand a word when people speak in Catalan, I understand Portuguese though, easier :) [10:28] ahh ok [10:28] thanks [10:29] czajkowski, yeah, a bit. The grammar has many common points, but many words are different and are also pronounced differently. People living outside the Catalan-speaking territories don't understand the language unless they've been living for a while there or see it written (when written one can most of the time figure what the different bits mean) [10:29] czajkowski: try this in google translate "Dir kënnt natierlech och eng Fro stellen oder an der Sandkaul ronderëmspillen. Dir kënnt Iech natierlech och registréieren." :) [10:29] * dholbach should go back to recruiting UDW speakers [10:30] oh [10:30] never seen that happen [10:30] dpm: interesting, thanks [10:34] czajkowski: wanna bet? [10:34] nigelb: dholbach just showed me [10:34] that was luxembourgish :) [10:35] odd [10:35] I can show 2 of the language I speak which don't translate in google but transliterate with google :) [10:37] jcastro: nice diagram [10:39] jcastro: should we talk about adopt-an-upstream at UDW? maybe qense would like to participate as well [10:40] dholbach: I was thinking of a talk about ubuntu and upstream - something comprehensive [10:40] nigelb: that'd fit in quite well with adopt-an-upstream [10:41] giving an overview of how to interact with upstreams, then go into detail and see what kind of best-practices the adopt-an-upstream programme gives [10:41] In that case +1 :) [10:56] james_w: you think we'll still be friends after Sunday? [10:58] dholbach: lets hope so :-) [10:59] :) [10:59] :) [10:59] /ignore dholbach [10:59] "oops" [10:59] Don't mention the war! [10:59] \o/ [10:59] o/ [10:59] " [10:59] probably highly inappropriate, I'll stop now [10:59] popey: you're British, you're excused [11:00] * popey hugs dholbach [11:00] * dholbach hugs popey back [11:00] to each their own very specific humour, eh? :) [11:03] apparently so :) [11:16] bgrin [11:28] dholbach: I think I understood the luxembourgish. Please tell me I'm not halucinating, and that it's kinda like German? [11:28] otherwise my breakfast had some funny stuff in it [11:28] Oh christ, that was German [11:31] it was luxemburgish, not german [11:32] Iech == Ich ? [11:32] dholbach: well now I feel special :) [11:33] dholbach: sheeet, den i shold lik type lik da kidz 2day do nd say itz anuther language [11:36] paultag: Iech = you (accusative, 2nd person plural or 2nd person singular in a formal way) [11:36] wie du? [11:37] Hold on, I need to go to work [11:37] "Sie", but in accusative [12:00] dholbach: odd, is it like that in German as well? [12:00] I've never heard that [12:04] paultag: yes, Du is 2nd person singular, informal, like if you know that person well [12:04] Well, yes -- als mann "duzen" kann [12:04] paultag: Sie is 2nd person plural or 2nd person singular, formal [12:05] dholbach: I mean the word "Iech" -- that is Unique to Luxemburgish ? [12:05] yes [12:05] Ahha [12:05] dholbach: how do they say "Ich" ? [12:06] "ech" [12:06] Ahha [12:07] must get confusing? [12:07] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxemburgische_Sprache#Substantive_und_Pronomina [12:07] Ahha, danke dholbach :) [12:07] sounds like yer saying ick for something icky/not nice [12:07] no, I can't write or speak luxemburgish very well, but I gre up close to it [12:07] czajkowski: NO!! [12:07] czajkowski: 'ch' is like the 'ch' in "Loch Ness" [12:07] czajkowski: I hear so many of the kids in my German class go eeeshhh [12:07] not 'k' [12:07] czajkowski: and I want to punch them in the face [12:08] oh, yeah, it can be 'sh' too [12:08] it's confusing [12:08] paultag: you're a tad violent chap aren't you, I see the irony in this coming from [12:08] * dholbach should go back to recruiting UDW speakers [12:08] heheh [12:08] czajkowski: No no! I'mm quite non-violent, but when I hear that, all bets are off [12:08] dholbach: if you tweet about it later on and prmote UDW cna you use #locoteams to let locos know [12:08] the tag is taking off [12:09] Oh yeah, I heard LoCo teams rock [12:46] jcastro: councils within loco teams? [13:05] Good morning all [13:05] shalom doctormo [13:05] doctormo: morning :) [13:05] swa-dee-paultag-kap [13:06] doctormo: how goes? [13:06] paultag: I've been asleep for at least 18 hours, all it as well as it could be I guess. [13:07] doctormo: well done :) [13:10] paultag: Although I'm glad someone _finally_ told me how to spell "whether", I was getting sick of spelling it "weather" and knowing it was wrong. [13:10] Only took 20 years. [13:10] hahahahaha [13:28] paultag: poke [13:28] nigelb: howdy :) [13:28] what did you change in the package recently? 1.0 to 3.0 (quilt) ? [13:28] nigelb: that's not on the master branch [13:29] nigelb: there is a source-3 branch we were working on beside the mainline 1.0 [13:29] err, there are only 2 ways I've hit this error [13:29] nigelb: http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/fluxbox.git;a=summary [13:30] one was when my source package name was wrong and 2 was something to do with moving to quilt [13:30] humm [13:30] tag@wintermute:~/TrashFolder/fluxbox/debian$ cat source/format [13:30] 1.0 [13:31] tag@wintermute:~/TrashFolder/fluxbox/debian$ cat README.source [13:31] This package uses debdiff to apply patches to the fluxbox source. [13:31] yeah, it's not quilt [13:31] something else is going wrong, me thinks [13:33] paultag: what is the name of the source package? [13:34] paultag: gah, change fluxbox_1.1.1+dfsg2.orig.tar.bz2 to fluxbox_1.1.1+dfsg1.orig.tar.bz2 [13:35] nigelb: Dennis ( A DM on this package ) did that [13:35] nigelb: not sure why -- is that causing the issues? [13:35] paultag: he also corrected it in changelog [13:36] but he forgot to correct the source package name [13:36] nigelb: in the control, yes? [13:36] that can't be right [13:36] when you don't have same name as last entry in changelog, it assumes native [13:37] nigelb: I've never delt with this before -- what do I have to change? [13:37] paultag: change name of source package to match with name in last changelog entry [13:37] Ohhh!! [13:37] I see it now [13:37] nigelb: thanks :3 [13:38] paultag: We all make same mistakes :) [13:38] nigelb: it was friken' dennis [13:38] nigelb: he does not know how to use git and he is making this package so unstable. I don't know how he is a DM [13:38] but I should have caught that, it's as much my fault as his [13:39] nigelb: mind posting that answer to mentors so that people don't jump on me? :) [13:39] hehe, ok :) [13:40] nigelb: holy shit, that's another issue that is in there [13:40] nigelb: I'm going to kill dennis [13:41] thanks nigelb :) [13:42] paultag: I think you already got jumped [13:42] yup [13:42] sure did [13:42] paultag: about time you kicked your team mate ;) [13:42] nigelb: I'm not happy with him, but what can I say. He is a DM and I'm still just a hacker. He must know a bit more then me anyway [13:43] paultag: Not really. He conviced someome that he knows more than others which is a bit different from actually knowing it [13:43] true. [13:43] that's why I'm going to wait :) [13:44] no sense in tainting the system because I don't want to wait another few months [14:28] dpm: ping [14:30] nigelb: poke [14:30] paultag: pong [14:31] nigelb: I'm still having issues. I've tried almost every permutation. I've changed the directory I'm working in, source archive name and control file all to values that I understood as sane, and the dsc is still showing up as native [14:31] damn [14:32] paultag: ask in #ubuntu-motu? [14:32] there are a few DDs around all the time :) [14:32] nigelb: I feel like they would get upset because it's debian :) [14:32] Oh, humm [14:32] paultag: NO WAY [14:32] if they do, we'll fix that. Since the package flows down to ubuntu too [14:32] mm. [14:33] paultag: or ask on oftc #debian-mentors [14:33] pabs should be around [14:34] nigelb: I got banned from there [14:34] nigelb: I tried to join but I was not identified [14:34] nigelb: first thing I tried to do [14:34] paultag: meh, about time you registered on oftc ;) [14:34] nigelb: That was the problem [14:34] nigelb: I am, and I have been [14:35] nigelb: but I was using mibbit [14:35] nigelb: and forgot to identify, and it auto-banned me [14:35] so I emailed the list [14:37] lol [15:02] nigelb: worked it out [15:02] nigelb: turns out the dir structure is fucked [15:02] nigelb: all resolved now :) [15:11] cjohnston, pong [15:13] hey there dpm.. any chance of being able to do the info about translations this week for the community contribute page? ;-) [15:15] cjohnston, yeah, I'll see if I can do it tomorrow morning [15:16] awesome.. thanks! [15:20] np :) [15:23] hey dholbach [15:23] on PatchesForwarding [15:23] I think there should be a "where to send patches upstream" [15:58] jcastro: I'm trying to sort out why the design team have created a deviantArt group for the free culture show case instead of using the existing deviantArt community. [15:58] Do you know anything about the FCSC? [15:59] I was at the session [15:59] akgraner: any idea why https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Abbreviations?action=show now redirects to a UWN page? [15:59] as I was keen to hand it off [15:59] what do you mean by "existing deviantart community"? [15:59] was there an ubuntu one already on there? [16:00] anyway, the guy to ask on that is kwwii, he's running that [16:00] jcastro: is kwwii anywhere on irc btw [16:00] sure [16:00] he's on german time [16:00] ah hr ahead of me so [16:01] jcastro: what irc channel is best to find him [16:01] ? [16:01] czajkowski: #ubuntu-artwork [16:02] vish: cheers [16:02] I am glad vish knew [16:02] wimer is more my real life drinking buddy at UDSes, I don't really talk to him much on irc [16:02] which is weird [16:02] jcastro: http://ubuntu-artists.deviantart.com/ <- I've posted this community to the plannet several times [16:02] now we all know, didnt know about that chanel [16:03] doctormo: you should probably let him know [16:03] Thanks [16:03] doctormo: kwwii knows about that group , he is in it as well iirc [16:06] i vaguely recall we had thought about using that deviant art group [16:06] at the session [16:06] vish: Did I miss that session? [16:07] doctormo: i think so, i dont recall you in it. but throwil was the one who mentioned the deviant art group iirc [16:08] vish: I think I had a gc conflict, sorry about that, should have marked it as required. [16:08] surely having two groups and two irc channels is a duplication [16:12] czajkowski: two irc channels? , freeculture has a channel as well? [16:13] vish: #ubuntu-artists and #ubutu-artwork [16:16] czajkowski: #ubuntu-artists seems non-existent , but #ubuntu-artwork has been there for a *very* long time ,and has always been listed in the artwork wiki http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork , and in the irc channel list [16:16] aye [16:17] vish: just noticed as it's on that deviantart page [16:19] oh [16:39] I didn't know there was an #ubuntu-artists irc channel [16:40] The #ubuntu-artists thing on deviantArt is not a channel, it's just the dA terminology for a group there. [16:45] jcastro: hey [16:45] jcastro: so… UDW adopt-an-upstream - what do you think? [16:45] dholbach: just schedule me wherever you want. :) [16:46] jcastro: do you think qense will be interested too? [16:46] jcastro: if qense doesn't I'd be up for it as well [16:46] yeah, but I don't want to volunteer him without him showing interest [16:47] schedule me for now and when I see him next I'll ask [16:47] dholbach: while you're hassling DX [16:48] oh, nm, I was going to say hassle someone about unity [16:48] but that's probably better for openweek [16:48] jcastro: alright - I'll put you in there for now and we an add qense or me later on [16:48] jcastro: which date and time? [16:48] looking [16:49] 1800 Friday! [16:51] * dholbach hugs jcastro [16:51] jcastro: I don't think we made enough noise about adopt-an-upstream yet, so that's going to be good :-) [16:51] dholbach: I have like 3 queued up blog posts on it [16:51] * jcastro is aware he is behind today [16:52] oh nice [16:52] hey jono [17:04] jono: may I punt the UDS content stuff to tomorrow? I need to get these work items out for upstream contacts out [17:06] jono: I sent you a mail today introducing you to a guy in ireland doing his thesis on Ubuntu, Ubuntu is very new to him [17:21] ok my friends - I call it a day [17:21] I have a BBQ to attend [17:21] * dholbach hugs you all [17:21] if you can chase up develop-y people for develop-y sessions for UDW and add them to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep beers will be on me next time we meet :-D [17:37] jcastro, no worries, tomorrow is fine [17:37] thanks czajkowski [17:38] jono: Its kinda weird so much stuff I've taken for granted is a new curve for the 2 guys doing their thesis on Ubuntu/open souce tis rather interesting [17:38] hehe [17:39] I know what you mean [17:46] jono: sometime today I'd like a quick chat towards the end o the day [17:49] jcastro, np [18:23] czajkowski: Do you know why he decided to do a thesis on Ubuntu and not on FOSS or one of the other easier subjects? [18:25] jcastro: ping [18:26] Technoviking: yo [18:27] doctormo: I would think something on FLOSS and FLOSS communitties would be too broad for a thesis [18:27] jcastro: Is there anyone at Canonical that works with vendors to add Ubuntu to a supported version of Linux [18:28] I'm starting a massive project and want to do it under Ubuntu, but the vendor supports only RedHat [18:29] doctormo: I think Ubuntu is easy [18:29] This will be the second big Linux project I wanted to use Ubuntu but may have to use RHEL [18:29] bleech [18:29] Technoviking: I think Boris. [18:29] Technoviking: I'll PM you his email, he'll at least be able to point you in the right direction [18:29] jcastro: thanks dude [18:29] doctormo: I did wth others talk on open source I chose Ubuntu, others chose ruby, business in floss, but the 2 guys like Ubuntu and I've said I'll help where I can [18:30] doctormo: plus I dont go down the route of GNU/FLOSS conversations with new people as they tend to be put off [18:30] czajkowski: I don't understand your sentence. [18:30] Your first one [18:30] doctormo: sigh 4 of us gave talks on open source to masters students. covering different aspects, 2 guys are now doing their project on Ubuntu/community. [18:31] Technoviking: can you moderate two mails to the forums council please [18:31] Technoviking: Thank you, and any update on the Hebrew ? [18:31] Ah I see, two students who you gave talks to are not doing projects on Ubuntu/community. [18:31] now* [18:31] yes [18:32] doctormo: I did blog about this both the giving the talks and the projects the 2 guys are doing [18:32] czajkowski: no, Ryan is in severe baby mode.. I think the birth can happen anyday now. [18:33] Technoviking: grand, thank you [18:43] czajkowski, have no idea but looks like it's been that way since early 2009 - ask nhandler [18:46] jcastro and jono: "Making Ubuntu Support a Choice for Vendors" maybe a good session for the Community/Server tracks at the next UDS [18:49] Technoviking: One of my friends here in MA is trying to set up a new business for computer support, focusing mostly on Ubuntu. I'm interested to see where it goes. [18:50] doctormo: coolness, I'm wanting vendors that make software for Linux consider other options for "offcially support" than RHEL [18:51] czajkowski, after looking into it further - looks like it redirects b/c UWN now maintains the glossary of acronyms and abbreviations as we come across new ones in our stories/posts/articles and on the mailing lists - let me know if you need more information - see the history of the page as well :-) [18:51] Technoviking: I believe that's a matter of costing the testing procedures along with the skills required to do it, against the expected revenue. [19:57] jono: I am available whenever, just lmk which communication method you would prefer [19:58] jcastro, cool, lets talk this afternoon, I have calls most of the day [19:59] no worries === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox [21:15] doctormo: great job sorting the deviantart stuff! [21:16] jcastro: Thanks, got everyone who needs it admin access and some nice blog entries. [22:08] <-- EOD [22:09] Bye jcastro [23:27] who hoo - only 7 slots still open for Developer Week :-) [23:29] * akgraner looks through the sessions and notes whose proverbial doors need knocking on :-)