[00:09] arand, it happens when I click a toolbox item [00:09] it starts fine [00:10] in maverick [00:11] jono: I was clicking about, painting, selecting, etc. With no problem. I may not be on the latest version if there was updates in the last day though.. [00:16] arand, odd [00:18] jono: Thos was a i386 kvm machine.. Which seems to have bigger problems that that all of a sudden (kernel panics), so an updated test might take a while from my side.. :/ [00:20] arand, sorry to hear that [00:22] Well, just have to step back a while in snapshots.. got some update-downloading to do now.. [00:24] jono: Seems to be no gimp updates at that though, so if anything did break it recently it wasn't a gimp-package fault, not directly at least I guess.. [00:24] hmmm [00:28] jono: amd64 on your side? Apport manages to catch it? [00:29] arand, apport doesnt catch it [00:29] I am going to do some more testing in a bit [00:29] thanks! === S`IRL is now known as Myst [01:31] jono: Nope, all upgraded and gimp seems as stable as ever, at least on this here instance. === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [03:51] hi, while downloading any package via synaptic manager in ubuntu if i go for system shutdown, then the system does not inform me that some downloading is going on . so how can i incorporate this feature ? [03:52] pranay_09: file a bug? [03:52] micahg: where? [03:52] good question :) [03:54] pranay_09: you can always file just against ubuntu and add the needs-reassignment tag if you' [03:54] re not sure [03:55] micahg: ok [03:55] micahg: acutally i wanted to know that how can i work upon it? [03:55] pranay_09: ah, ok [03:56] pranay_09: well, all the sources are available either as source packages or in bzr, I just don't know which package this would be [03:57] pranay_09: maybe someone else will know [03:59] micahg: ok, so where should i search for such package , any idea? [03:59] pranay_09: looks like gnome-session might be it [03:59] pranay_09: also, you might want to check bugzilla.gnome.org to see if anyone's filed such a request or if there's a partial patch [04:00] micahg: k, thanks :) [04:00] pranay_09: np [05:09] micahg: are you seriously proposing patching gnome-session for that? [05:09] ^^ [05:10] Chipzz: nope [05:10] Chipzz: but if someone wants to make a patch, should I stand in their way? [05:11] then why is it a bug against gnome-session? [05:11] Chipzz: I don't think he's going to file a bug, I misunderstood, he wanted to work on it [05:11] if you're wasting their time because that patch has 0 chance of being accepted, yes [05:11] There's an existing mechanism for making this work, by the way. [05:12] where was everyone an hour ago? I was just trying to help :-/ [05:12] playing WoW :P [05:12] user's still here, anyone want to talk to pranay_09 about it? [05:13] pranay_09: You could make that work with an app that registers with the session-management protocol - one of the things that protocol does is send a “I'd like to shutdown now” message to all clients, which can block the shutdown. [05:14] RAOF: thank you :) [05:37] RAOF: thanks for that [05:46] Chipzz> WoW \o/ === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [07:00] good morning === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [07:12] That. [07:36] dholbach: i'm not sure if you've had a chance to look at the packaging guide emails yet, but let me know if you have any questions. === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [07:37] j1mc: not yet, I'm sorry - I've been drowning in emails and work, but I'll do my best to get to it today and I'll reply to them [07:37] j1mc: thanks a bunch for helping me out! [07:37] dholbach: no worries. i'm looking forward to the project. i think having good packaging docs will go a long way in helping ubuntu. [07:38] definitely - I look forward to having a good discussion about it, that's why I wanted your and the doc team's advise [07:38] advice [07:38] :) [07:39] i'm sure we'll be seeking out your input quite a bit as things get started. [07:39] i'm off to catch a few Zzzz's [07:39] later! [07:39] sleep tight [08:03] ArneGoetje: HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :) [08:18] dholbach: THANK YOU! :) [08:18] :) === hrw|gone is now known as hrw [08:42] Good morning === ogra_ is now known as ogra [08:45] stgraber: ping, do you care about Ithanium1 support in Ubuntu? [08:48] NCommander: s/h// [08:49] StevenK: it burns less when I spell it wrong. [08:49] Yes, but the pain will never fade. === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann-away === oubiwann-away is now known as oubiwann [10:08] soren, hello :) [10:09] soren, is there a way to use vmbuilder without debootstrap (i.e. copying from a base image) === Amto_res`OFF is now known as Amto_res [10:12] soren: you could give a session at UDW about vmbuilder and stuff! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep is the preliminary schedule :-D [10:12] soren: … and how VMs are good for you === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [10:31] ara: Yes. [10:31] ara: It has a --existing-chroot option or something like that. [10:32] dholbach: I'm afraid I'm in meeting all that time. [10:32] soren: it was worth a try :) === schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm [10:32] dholbach: It was, yes :) [10:34] ara: ...so if you first run VMBuilder with "--only-chroot" it gives you the path to the chroot it built. Subsequently, you can add a "--existing-chroot=" and that should save you a bunch of time. [10:41] soren, thanks! === BlackZ_ is now known as BlackZ === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying === dyfet` is now known as dyfet === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:03] jdong, hi [12:03] jdong, is there any chance you could do some sru reviews this week? [12:04] slangasek, ^ or you? [12:04] other sru teams member are busy with other things atm and the queue is a bit stalling === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:31] dholbach, where does ubuntu developer week take place? #ubuntu-meeting? [13:32] zyga: #ubuntu-classroom [13:32] thanks :) [13:32] zyga: I'll send a mail to all speakers explaining it a few days inadvance :) [13:33] dholbach, I added this to my calendar so that I can keep track [13:33] awesome [13:33] thanks again zyga! [13:39] guys, any wubi developers here? [13:40] Is it possible to make gcc or clang to reject C++ incompatible C features? [13:42] LucidFox, gcc has some switches that spit warnings for C-okay C++-notokay code but I'm not sure if it really covers all cases [13:42] What causes the loopback interface to get started on an upstart system? Does it happen through the normal net-device-added -> network-interface -> ifup chain? [13:55] I wonder [13:56] Is there a standard way for doing automatic PPA daily builds from a VCS? [14:02] guys, any wubi developers here? [14:16] LucidFox: like daily builts? [14:16] *builds [14:16] LucidFox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyBuilds might have some info there in the links.. [14:16] pitti: you there ? [14:17] dupondje: hello [14:18] pitti: :) could you check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pybootchartgui/+bug/596475 ? [14:18] Launchpad bug 596475 in pybootchartgui (Ubuntu) "Upgrade to upstream version r141" [Wishlist,New] [14:20] dupondje, the debdiff is weird, the changelog mentions new options but there is no code for those? [14:21] dupondje: right, what seb128 just said, was going to ask the same [14:21] dupondje: and we already fixed the find bug yestrday [14:22] mousewheel? [14:22] oh, pybootchartgui has an interactive mode as well? [14:22] * pitti was only ever looking at the produced .pngs [14:22] pitti: yes :) if you scroll now, it zooms directly [14:22] patch fixes that it zooms only when CTRL is entered :) [14:22] ah, that directly reads the .tgz [14:23] seb128: those 'new options' are also in the current versions ... Didn't know if I needed to add the info in latest changelog [14:23] as its a new upstream version, with the ubuntu changes included ... [14:23] dupondje, well changelog describes what changed [14:24] dupondje, it's weird to describe things which didn't change in the new entry ;-) [14:24] dupondje: ah, then you should perhaps indent it properly [14:24] dupondje: so the --crop-after bits were previously cherrypicked as patches? [14:24] but right, if we already got them, no need to repeat, it's only confusing [14:25] It was just to make clear we kept the upstream delta in the new version :) [14:26] arand> So basically, I'd need my own build server... okay [14:27] LucidFox: TO be honest I have no idea, I just found the wiki page and it looked relevant ;) [14:29] dupondje: oh, that is a delta of our's? then it shouldn't be in the changelog at all IMHO [14:30] those are changes that are made in the ubuntu package only indeed, not in upstream [14:31] dupondje, changelog is to indicate changes, if those are in the previous version we will indicate if we drop them, otherwise we assume that we keep what was done before [14:31] dupondje, you would have to do a summary of all the changes at every upload otherwise ;-) [14:33] ah, so it's not really that magic; just seems to be a terribly slow eog :) [14:35] seb128: Want sure :) ah well, just remove the lines then ^^:) === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === sconklin-gone is now known as sconklin === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [15:46] barry, ScottK: just disable the profiled build on the archs where it does fail === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [15:46] doko: OK. Will do. [15:46] doko: thanks [15:46] doko: do you happen to know why binutils(-gold) does not use update-alternatives for ld diversion? [15:47] apachelogger: because alternatives are evil for anything other than editor or www-browser [15:48] hm, ok :) [15:48] you can't see from logs what was really used, makes understanding bug reports harder, etc [15:50] slangasek, so today's 06-24 build is doing that same thing with the hash sum mismatch again. could you perhaps temporarily reschedule it at a different time so as to avoid this conflict until that proper locking can be put in place? [15:52] pitti: Would you please rescore python2.6. I need to find at all the archs it's going to fail on before I upload it again. [15:53] doko: well, you do not see this with the current approach either, do you? [15:53] apachelogger: why not? [15:53] I mean, binutils-gold will dpkg-divert ld and then the builder will just use ld as usual [15:55] apachelogger: no, you know it's gold, if binutils-gold is installed === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [15:58] doko: not if the user manually messed with the link that is, which is likely considering dpkg-divert is from a user perspective not exactly usable [15:58] especially considering that one might not want to use gold for everything [15:58] apachelogger: a user always looses when manipulating things directly [15:58] * sebner waves at pinky apachelogger [15:58] Just to give this context. The kdepim team is thinking about using gold for in-development builds for various reasons and the concern was raised that one should probably be able to switch easily. [15:59] sebner: o/ lo [15:59] apachelogger: then you should use -B [16:00] *nod* [16:00] doko: thanks for the chat :) === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [16:18] ScottK, hi, I posted a bug about qtmultimedia missing in python-qt4, you asked me to see what they think of it on debian... There has been no activity on it since june 7, and people on #debian said me to stop spamming about it, so I think qtmultimedia will be deprecated before being integrated on debian :) [16:21] flupke: The bug just discussed on #debian-python (on OFTC) just a little bit ago. I'd suggest joining. [16:24] ScottK, ok, done === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch === cody-somerville_ is now known as cody-somerville [17:05] siretart: ping [17:05] ximion: what's up? [17:07] first of all: hi! (glad that I finally found you) I packaged the music visualisation library projectM for Debian to replace the old, orphaned packages in sid. The packaging was accepted as pkg-multimedia-maintainers project... [17:08] ximion: ah, yes, I've seen your query yesterday, and reviewing your projectm package is indeed still on my todo list [17:08] ...but I still need someone to review the packageing. On the multimedia-maintainers mailinglist I was told to try to contact you ^^ === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|afk [17:09] we use the channel #debian-multimedia on irc.debian.org for the team pkg-multimedia [17:09] oh, I wasn't sure if you got my message - Konversation did some really weird stuff that day. [17:09] oh, I see. no problem [17:09] I think I'll find time to review/sponsor it tomorrow [17:09] the debian-multimedia channel throws me out: invitations only. [17:09] are you sure that you're on the right irc network? [17:10] Freenode? [17:10] not freenode, oftc [17:10] as said, irc.debian.org [17:11] should read the wiki page more carefully... [17:13] mvo: Whenever you're around, if there's anything I can do to move bug #594206 forward, let me know - I'm happy to help [17:13] Launchpad bug 594206 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager disables third-party repositories with suite suffixes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/594206 === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [17:14] doko: I'm a bit worried what to do about python-defaults and the ICE on ia64. If I merge python-defaults from Unstable, then that will make python-minimal uninstallable on ia64 won't it? [17:15] Is there a reason that intrepid is still in archive.ubuntu.com? Are unsupported releases not getting moved to old-releases.u.c anymore? [17:17] ScottK: well, then delay the merge until this is fixed [17:17] ebroder: I know that intrepid's packages were *just* moved to old-releases, so there may be some time for them to be removed from archive.u.c [17:17] doko: OK. Maybe I should talk to the Ubuntu gcc maintainer about fixing it then ... :-) [17:17] Pici: Oh! So they are. I hadn't noticed that yet. Awesome [17:18] ebroder: ports was there before, but i386 just got there today. === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] === apachelogger is now known as brokenl00gR [17:25] doko: Bug filed. [17:26] ScottK: please make sure to include the .gcda file together with the preprocessed source [17:27] doko: I don't have hardware, so no way I can do that. [17:27] another reason to drop ia64 [17:27] Next cycle you probably get that wish. === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [17:56] <_melvin__> cyphermox, Hi. is it possible to make two ore mor openvpn Connections with NetworkManager at the same time? === deryck is now known as deryck[lunch] [18:02] <_melvin__> mn [18:03] _melvin__: hi! sadly, no. only one vpn connection at a time. I think that has been discussed on the NM mailing list however and there may be work towards that... thanks for reminding me I wanted to make a call for testing for the new NM version [18:04] <_melvin__> cyphermox, can i make a feature request somewhere? === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno [18:08] _melvin__: yes. please bring it up on the gnome bugzilla project for NetworkManager or on the mailing list, see http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager [18:09] hi [18:09] <_melvin__> cyphermox, ok. Thank you [18:09] I think here (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/files) there is the script that canonical suses to create iso images... but I dunno the name :( === sebner_ is now known as sebner === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann-away === sconklin is now known as sconklin-lunch [18:51] mvo: have you had occasion to look ad python-apt merge for gdebi? === oubiwann-away is now known as oubiwann [18:55] DktrKranz: yes, the maverick version should already be fine [18:55] DktrKranz: the diff between maverick and debian-sid is tiny [18:57] mvo: so, it should be fine to merge and upload for you? I can have a look === sconklin-lunch is now known as sconklin === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck [18:59] DktrKranz: not sure I understand correctly. what I try to say is that the maverick python-apt version should be fine for gdebi. the remaining delta for python-apt is so small that its not worth a upload at this point IMO [19:01] mvo: I mean if it's ok to merge gdebi's python-apt branch into trunk === Amto_res is now known as Amto_res`OFF [19:01] DktrKranz: ohh, I misunderstood. sorry. let me look at this branch [19:03] DktrKranz: I assume you mean lp:~mvo/gdebi/python-apt0.8-port ? [19:04] mvo: exactly [19:05] DktrKranz: yeah, that should be fine :) if you could also give it a bit of testing, that would be much appreciated [19:05] DktrKranz: I thought you meant the "python-apt" package merge between debian and ubuntu :) [19:05] thats why I was confused [19:06] I should have expressed better, sorry [19:06] I'll give it a try [19:06] if my tests are fine, is it ok for you to merge and upload in Debian, then sync in maverick? [19:07] (I'll take care of the process) [19:07] yes [19:07] and thanks a lot for this :) [19:07] cool, thanks :) [19:07] mvo: Did you see my message earlier about bug #594206? [19:07] Launchpad bug 594206 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager disables third-party repositories with suite suffixes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/594206 [19:08] ebroder: I have not seen this one, let me have a look [19:08] mvo: It's a followup to the Sources.AllowThirdParty option. I just wanted to offer to help with implementation if there was any way I could [19:10] ebroder: thanks, could you please put a example sources.list in there? just so that there is something to test against? [19:10] mvo: Will do === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [19:23] ebroder: odd, from the code it looks like it should work [19:23] ebroder: let me create a test case for it === sconklin is now known as sconklin-afk [19:52] slangasek: Can I borrow your brain for two minutes? I want to help this guy, but my upstart-fu is not strong enough: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/350936 [19:52] Launchpad bug 350936 in libvirt (Ubuntu) "Should shut down domains on system shutdown" [Low,Triaged] [19:55] soren: the only problem I see there is that the last line of the job shows that there are timing issues in his script [19:55] why isn't 'virsh destroy' synchronous? [20:03] slangasek: Sorry, my phone rang.. [20:04] slangasek: "virsh destroy" should be synchronous. [20:04] soren: ok, then why does he have a sleep at the end? :-) [20:04] slangasek: His problem is that apparantly libvirt gets shut down before his script gets to finish. [20:04] soren: anyway, 'stop on stopping foo' definitely blocks the killing of process foo [20:04] that doesn't prevent something outside of upstart from killing the process, but I don't know what would do that [20:05] slangasek: Ok. Hm.. === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [20:06] slangasek: Oh, wait. [20:06] slangasek: This is "start on stopping foo". [20:06] slangasek: ..but that shouldn't matter, should it? [20:06] right, that too [20:11] slangasek: Well, thanks. I'll see what we can come up with :) === sconklin-afk is now known as sconklin === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === MacSlow|afk is now known as MacSlow === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [21:00] hi guys [21:02] some times ago, someone in this channel linked me to a script/set of scripts, that canonical uses to create the official ubuntu CDs, is there anyone that could pass me that link again, please? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann-away === oubiwann-away is now known as oubiann [22:16] anyone (slangasek, cjwatson, siretart) know if emacs22 can be synced with debian yet? what's the state of the "emacs" metapackage, etc? === oubiann is now known as oubiwann === oubiwann is now known as oubiann [22:33] kees: that was discussed recently on ubuntu-devel, right? Aren't we meant to get rid of emacs22 in favor of emacs23? [22:34] slangasek: I assume [22:34] slangasek: but I wasn't sure what needed to happen there. [22:34] nor I [22:52] slangasek, thanks for the sru review ;-) [22:58] seb128: still ongoing... [23:01] slangasek, that's appreciate, thanks for reviewing some of the waiting uploads, after that round I should be mostly done for lucid .1 and focus on maverick so there will be less desktop changes coming ;-) [23:01] slangasek, that's appreciate, thanks for reviewing some of the waiting uploads, after that round I should be mostly done for lucid .1 and focus on maverick so there will be less desktop changes coming ;-) [23:01] urg, sorry [23:02] * seb128 dislike touchpad clicky randomly when typing... === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] [23:06] uhmm... [23:06] 570 root 16 -4 17536 1232 304 R 100 0.0 10:40.58 udevd === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [23:22] hey all [23:24] i want to understand how packages work [23:24] by that i mean... [23:24] who compiles them [23:24] how are they added to package system [23:25] developers upload source packages; they're compiled by automatic build servers [23:25] how? [23:25] please expand on your question [23:26] well i guess in linux its just a ./configure make script.. [23:26] dpkg-buildpackage is the official entry point [23:26] unpack source package, cd into unpacked tree, run dpkg-buildpackage -b [23:26] that calls debian/rules with various arguments, behind the scenes [23:27] and debian/rules takes care of whatever the specifics of the package are. not everything is ./configure && make [23:27] ok ok [23:28] cjwatson, hey [23:28] what describes the dependencies, destination paths and such things? [23:29] cjwatson, I know you are busy atm but did you get kenvandine's email about his upload rights for desktop set? [23:29] encodec: debian/control describes dependencies, although many of them are worked out dynamically by dpkg-shlibdeps [23:29] encodec: destination paths are done by a mix of things; it's easiest to run dpkg-buildpackage on a package and watch its output [23:29] is it possible to build gst-ffmpeg with an already installed version of ffmpeg (instead of the one in the source tree)? [23:30] sometimes it's the upstream build scripts (Makefile or whatever), sometimes debian/*.install, sometimes manual commands written directly into debian/rules, it varies [23:30] cjwatson, seems he's having limited access to upload dx components atm, we can deal with sponsoring but still it would be nice to get that sorted [23:30] seb128: I did get it, at the moment I have it queued for right after I'm off this OEM project [23:30] I know it's blocking him, sorry about that :( [23:31] cjwatson, oh, no need to be sorry, I though I would check because he said he didn't get a reply from you yet [23:31] cjwatson, I know you are busy, we are done for this week updates so really no hurry ;-) [23:32] cjwatson, thanks [23:32] mm, I tend to reply only when I'm done [23:32] maybe I should adjust that habit [23:32] cjwatson, I was not sure if that was a one command to run from you side but you missed the email or if you queued it for after busy time [23:33] it's a few commands plus some thought [23:33] I'll need to go through adjusting exception lists [23:33] ok, thanks for the update, as said that was rather a status checking than a need to get this done now [23:41] siretart: are you around by any chance? gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg (and vlc) are built against libavutil49, and the libavutil-extra-49 package in the maverick archive is an empty package outside of docs [23:41] cjwatson, thx for all the fish === oubiann is now known as oubiwann [23:43] not sure what to do since libavutil49 isn't built in ffmpeg-extra anymore, should all this stuff just be rebuilt against libavutil50? totem is pretty unusable because of it since it can't find codecs === sconklin is now known as sconklin-gone