[04:36] <Sonsum> I'd like to be an author for the ubuntu manual. I've got TEx Live 2009 all installed but when I try and make Ubuntu-Manual-en.pdf it states that I'm missing en.po
[04:36] <Sonsum> Anybody know what I did wrong?
[04:55] <Sonsum> Wow. Nevermind. Got it. Ignore the noobishness.
[07:24] <thorwil> good morning!
[10:01] <ubuntujenkins> morning
[10:04] <thorwil> good morning ubuntujenkins
[15:03] <ubuntujenkins> wow we are quite today :)
[15:09] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: must have been because i have been out all day and afk :)
[15:09] <ubuntujenkins> heh, i am afk alot at the moment as well
[15:10] <nisshh> because of the soccer?
[15:10] <ubuntujenkins> no just other bits and bobs to do now i am at home
[15:12] <nisshh> yea, iv been busy working on my python fu and also working on some projects of mine
[15:12] <nisshh> gonna be exciting over the next few months
[21:09] <ubuntujenkins> howdy
[21:10] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: / godbyk-sagan ping
[21:11] <ubuntujenkins> the channel is a sleep
[21:22] <shrini> :-)
[21:24] <flan> A single sleep?
[21:31] <ubuntujenkins> hello shrini and flan people are awake.
[21:31] <shrini> hello ubuntujenkins
[21:46] <ChrisWoollard> I just came across the following link.
[21:46] <ChrisWoollard> http://ubuntugeek.tradepub.com/free/w_ubun01/
[21:47] <ChrisWoollard> They are harvesting info to get the download.
[21:47] <ubuntujenkins> ChrisWoollard: yep I asked them to add a link to our site a couple of days a go
[21:48] <ubuntujenkins> wich is not on the bottom of http://www.ubuntugeek.com/download-free-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-pdf-guide.html
[21:48] <ubuntujenkins> *which
[21:49] <ChrisWoollard> Yep. It is a bit cheeky
[21:50] <ubuntujenkins> I don't know why people feel the need to harvest info for our work. thats two sites that do it now. Shows our work is good i guess
[21:51] <godbyk-sagan> Hey, ubuntujenkins.
[21:51] <ubuntujenkins> hey you are alive :P
[21:51] <ChrisWoollard> Unfortuanatly personal information is valuable
[21:51] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-sagan: what is happening as far as the font for the greek manual
[21:52] <ubuntujenkins> ChrisWoollard: yea they ask for address etc
[21:52] <godbyk-sagan> what's up with the fonts in the greek manual?
[21:52] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-sagan: linux libertine gives us 3 errors
[21:52] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: really?  I thought linux-libertine had full greek support.  do you have the errors handy?
[21:52] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[21:53] <ubuntujenkins> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/elerrors numbers 3,4,6 they are the same error
[21:53] <godbyk-sagan> oh, and it seems that both sites I've seen distributing our manual are forwarding to the same underlying site.  I can only guess they get some referral fees or something out of it.
[21:54] <ChrisWoollard> :(
[21:54] <ubuntujenkins> i can't compile here as I get japaniese letters in the evince index pane
[21:56] <ubuntujenkins> also kevin can you mail me the ubuntu-manual-el.tex file you are using. as are using one that c7p and i have is not the same as the one for builds.ubuntu-manual.org
[21:56] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: I think #3 may be okay as long as the Greek looks good (especially the placement of accents, etc.).
[21:57] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: #1 can be safely ignored.  We're not using a bibliography, so no worries.
[21:57] <godbyk-sagan> #2 we should attend to and make sure the cross-references are correct.
[21:57] <ubuntujenkins> how is that done just build it again?
[21:58] <godbyk-sagan> #4 is telling us that there aren't any old-style numbers in italic.  I'm not sure where this occurs, so I'll have to look into it.  If it's printing the regular lining figures instead, it should be okay.
[21:58] <godbyk-sagan> #5 can be ignored.  it's just latex being snarky.
[21:58] <ubuntujenkins> ok cool, we are very close with greek
[21:58] <godbyk-sagan> #6 is the same as #4.
[21:59]  * ubuntujenkins nods
[21:59] <godbyk-sagan> and #7 can probably be ignored.
[21:59]  * ubuntujenkins nods again
[22:00] <ubuntujenkins> any thoughts on my japanies letters in evince
[22:00] <godbyk-sagan> Japanese letters in evince? We're working on a Japanese translation already now?
[22:01] <ubuntujenkins> no i get them in the index for what ever language i compile for
[22:01] <ubuntujenkins> not sure about english
[22:01] <godbyk-sagan> really?
[22:01] <godbyk-sagan> that's quite strange.
[22:02] <godbyk-sagan> let me give it a shot here.
[22:02] <godbyk-sagan> (though I don't know if everything's setup on my laptop or not. guess we'll find out.)
[22:02] <ubuntujenkins> I am using the packages, so I don't know what it is. I need to solve it as it is a bug in them effectivley
[22:03] <godbyk-sagan> running bzr pull now. could take a while. (my parents' internet connection is slow.)
[22:03] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: are the indices on the builds.ubuntu-manual.org site okay?
[22:04] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[22:04] <godbyk-sagan> if so, it may be a problem with your packaged xindy compared to my tug2009 xindy.
[22:04] <godbyk-sagan> (didn't you have to jump through some hoops on the xindy stuff.  wasn't xindy not packaged originally?)
[22:05] <ubuntujenkins>  I am just trying an older version of xindy it is in debian
[22:05] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: hello
[22:05] <godbyk-sagan> okay.
[22:05] <c7p> hey
[22:05] <c7p> oh godbyk is home :d
[22:05] <godbyk-sagan> c7p: only for a little bit.
[22:05] <c7p> nice :P
[22:05] <godbyk-sagan> I've been swamped at work the past week or two trying to get people up to speed on things before I take off.
[22:06] <godbyk-sagan> I'll be leaving tomorrow evening for about a week.
[22:06] <c7p> i know :)
[22:06] <godbyk-sagan> (Hopefully, I'll return with lots of fun TeX-related things we can make use of.)
[22:06] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-sagan: thanks for fitting us in your secdule
[22:06] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: lol. no problem.
[22:06] <c7p> how much time do you have now?
[22:07] <godbyk-sagan> I just got back from running errands today.  I'm hanging out at my parents house for a couple days.
[22:07] <godbyk-sagan> (So I'm away from work where they can only harass me via IM and email.)
[22:07] <c7p> :P
[22:07] <godbyk-sagan> I should be around for a few hours (coming and going a little bit).
[22:08] <c7p> do you want to chill out or we can arrange some things?
[22:09] <godbyk-sagan> I can try to help with some things, but I'm on my laptop, so I'm somewhat limited in what I can do.
[22:09] <godbyk-sagan> (I don't think I have everything set up here.)
[22:09] <ubuntujenkins> hmm an older version of xindy no help
[22:09] <c7p> ok
[22:10] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: here''s the version of xindy I'm running (on my laptop, at least):
[22:10] <godbyk-sagan> $ xindy --version
[22:10] <godbyk-sagan> xindy release: unknown
[22:10] <godbyk-sagan> xindy script version: 1.13
[22:10] <godbyk-sagan> xindy kernel version: 2.3
[22:10] <godbyk-sagan> xindy run time engine: x86_64-linux-gnu, version 2.2
[22:10] <godbyk-sagan> CLISP version 2.48 (2009-07-28) (built on pcl321.mppmu.mpg.de [134.107.3.54])
[22:10] <godbyk-sagan>     architecture: X86_64
[22:10] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-sagan: this is what i get http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/90026/__________________ubuntu_10_04_012_N7SQXq.png
[22:10] <ubuntujenkins> this is what i just tried
[22:10] <ubuntujenkins> xindy release: unknown
[22:10] <ubuntujenkins> xindy script version: 1.08
[22:10] <ubuntujenkins> xindy kernel version: 2.3
[22:10] <ubuntujenkins> xindy run time engine: x86_64-linux-gnu, version 2.2
[22:10] <ubuntujenkins> CLISP version 2.44 (2008-02-02) (built on excelsior.roeckx.be [83.143.242.5])
[22:11] <ubuntujenkins>     architecture: X86_64
[22:11] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: weird.
[22:11] <godbyk-sagan> so it's the pdf index.
[22:11] <godbyk-sagan> that's not a xindy thing.
[22:11] <godbyk-sagan> that'd be from the hyperref package.
[22:11] <ubuntujenkins> yea sorry, should have explained better
[22:12] <c7p> godbyk concerning the greek manual I think we are finished
[22:12] <c7p> have you read a message that I sent you before some days about the todo things ?
[22:13] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: / godbyk-sagan we have two pages to remove from before the index
[22:13] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: actually topo fixed all these bugs
[22:13] <godbyk-sagan> c7p: I glanced at it and then flagged it for review later. :)
[22:14] <c7p> ok :)
[22:14] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: yeah, there's some odd bug in the \printindex command or somewhere along the way.
[22:14] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: I had to jump through some hoops to fix it in the final English edition, as I recall.
[22:15] <ubuntujenkins> yea i recal you saying
[22:17] <godbyk-sagan> there are other customizations I made to the final English edition that didn't get reincorporated to the translated editions.  (and I didn't want to anger the translators by updating the pot file so late in the game.)
[22:17] <godbyk-sagan> that's why we have all these little things to do by hand.
[22:20] <c7p> godbyk-sagan: so is there any material that needs translation for the official release of the translated manual ?
[22:24] <ubuntujenkins> hmm, godbyk-sagan I have gone back to older packages and no luck on this japanise letters
[22:25]  * c7p brb 
[22:26] <godbyk-sagan> I don't recall what extra stuff has already been translated.
[22:26] <godbyk-sagan> We have the new copyright page text in there?
[22:27] <godbyk-sagan> And the colophon text.
[22:27] <godbyk-sagan> I think those are the two big things that I added.
[22:29] <c7p> godbyk-sagan: yes have translated these stuff
[22:30] <ubuntujenkins> any suggestions on the letter problem
[22:30] <ubuntujenkins> *other
[22:31] <c7p> have you installed the latest version of xindy ?
[22:32] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: not yet. It seems like it may have to do with either the fonts or with hyperref.
[22:32] <ubuntujenkins> yea i am thinking fonts i am trying to guess at what to install rather than the whole texlive-full and blowing th edownload limit at home
[22:33] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: try a different font for your UI stuff.
[22:34] <ubuntujenkins> surely that will make no diffence if the builds.ubuntu...org ones work?
[22:35] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: ah, good point.
[22:35] <ubuntujenkins> I am trying texlive-fonts-extra
[22:36] <godbyk-sagan> I don't expect that's have an effect, since we're not using the tex fonts.
[22:36] <ubuntujenkins> hmm
[22:39] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: I just built it on my laptop and the bookmarks look okay.
[22:40] <ubuntujenkins> are you using the packages or source?
[22:41] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins, c7p: another thing we have to translate [for all translations]: the word 'Colophon' (as it appears in the bookmarks list).
[22:42] <godbyk-sagan> [I think there's another couple bookmarks I added to the final English addition. I'm gonna check as soon as I get the code checked out on my laptop.]
[22:42] <ubuntujenkins> also license its the only thing that is still ok in mine
[22:42] <ubuntujenkins> the word "license"
[22:43] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: where do you see that?
[22:44] <ubuntujenkins> don't worry i think that may be done. I messed up and lost the *el.tex file. i did make clean
[22:45] <godbyk-sagan> okay, I'm feeling like an idiot.  do you see the lucid-e1-en branch (or lucid-1e-en.. however I spelled it)?
[22:45] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: ah, right. just run 'bzr revert ubuntu-manual-el.tex' to get it back.
[22:46] <godbyk-sagan> brb
[22:46] <ubuntujenkins> I have the file in an e-mail as c7p sent me a newer one
[22:52] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-sagan: can you run me a list of what packages you have installed which start with ttf please
[22:53] <ubuntujenkins> don't worry its not a font as the others look ok
[22:58] <godbyk-sagan> back now
[23:02] <c7p> godbyk-sagan: should i mail you the translation of the word "Colophon" or should I tell it to you here on channel ?
[23:05] <godbyk-sagan> c7p: Email it to me. (Just to ensure irc doesn't mangle it.)
[23:06] <dutchie> irc is awesome at unicode
[23:07] <godbyk-sagan> dutchie: fair enough. but is xchat? or my xchat font?
[23:07] <godbyk-sagan> :)
[23:08] <dutchie> ønły 1 wæy ŧø finð øúŧ
[23:08] <godbyk-sagan> Heh.. now see, that makes no sense. ;-)
[23:08] <dutchie> wfm in irssi
[23:09] <godbyk-sagan> It works here, too.
[23:09] <dutchie> ŧ←þ→nŋ ł→ŧħ ŧħe ¢øµþøße ĸe← ħełð ðøłn łøøĸß æłeßøµe
[23:09] <dutchie> ”↓ŧ ↓n¶eæðæ”łe
[23:10] <godbyk-sagan> nice!
[23:11] <c7p> lol it's greek to me hahaha
[23:11] <dutchie> haha
[23:13] <ubuntujenkins> I see a mess of letters
[23:14] <c7p> so do I, dutchie how did you managed to type these characters ?
[23:14] <godbyk-sagan> dutchie: which key have you set as the compse key?
[23:14] <dutchie> alt-gr
[23:14] <godbyk-sagan> That might work, I don't think I ever use that key.  Or maybe the Windows context menu key or something. That definitely never gets used.
[23:15] <ubuntujenkins> what is that key for? I ahve never ever used it
[23:15] <c7p> well i can't find it on keyboard !
[23:15] <godbyk-sagan> which one? the windows context menu key? it pulls up the right-click menu for whatever thing has focus.  (on windows at least.)
[23:16] <dutchie> the windows key is used for shortcuts (and is generally called "super")
[23:16] <dutchie> try super+a for example
[23:17] <c7p> ah we call it with other name :P
[23:19] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-sagan: am i using the script you gave c7p to compile it or am i using make *el.tex
[23:20] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: you *should* be able to use make blah-el.pdf
[23:20] <godbyk-sagan> the compile script is obsolete now and shouldn't be used.
[23:22] <ubuntujenkins> I feel I am asking idiotic questions but I am getting "make: `ubuntu-manual-el.tex' is up to date." what do i remove to make it run again?
[23:23] <ubuntujenkins> doing make *el.tex
[23:23] <godbyk-sagan> pdf not tex
[23:24] <ubuntujenkins> Its late :)
[23:24] <godbyk-sagan> excuses, excuses!
[23:24] <c7p> that's exactly what I thought :P ubuntujenkins
[23:24] <ubuntujenkins> I have to get up early tomorrow :/
[23:25] <c7p> haven't you finished the exams?
[23:25] <ubuntujenkins> yea, I have some stuff for my job
[23:26] <ubuntujenkins> you have to love the crossover guys, I am not even a paying customer i a just trialing and they are letting me test a nighly build. Their service is great
[23:26] <ubuntujenkins> they have be very helpfull with my problems
[23:27] <godbyk-sagan> Found it! https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/lucid-1e-en
[23:27] <godbyk-sagan> I'm not crazy after all!
[23:27] <dutchie> night all
[23:27] <c7p> g' night dutchie
[23:27] <godbyk-sagan> Launchpad was filtering the list of branches (and only showing the active branches).
[23:27] <godbyk-sagan> G'night, dutchie.
[23:27] <ubuntujenkins> night dutchie
[23:28] <godbyk-sagan> Cool. What're you using crossover for, ubuntujenkins?
[23:30]  * ubuntujenkins wispers office 2007 and macros
[23:30] <ubuntujenkins> I have office due to uni
[23:30] <ubuntujenkins> and there is a cool excel thing that i have found
[23:31] <godbyk-sagan> oh?
[23:31] <ubuntujenkins> I am a scout leader and there is a very good spread sheet to help with organising. Cross over apears to be the best way to save rebooting
[23:32] <godbyk-sagan> Aha.
[23:32] <godbyk-sagan> I just run Office under Windows under Virtualbox OSE.
[23:32] <ubuntujenkins> they are the only place that supports macros but it takes, 90 mins to load the spread sheet this nigthly takes 2-3 aparently
[23:32] <godbyk-sagan> (I had to purchase a copy of Office the other day because we have to use some Word doc forms for uni and OOo wasn't saving them very well.)
[23:33] <godbyk-sagan> nice!
[23:33] <ubuntujenkins> my laptop would die doing that. virtual box
[23:33] <godbyk-sagan> yeah, it's pretty resource intensive.
[23:33] <ubuntujenkins> I e-mailed them and he said it does open honest it takes 10+ minutes though.
[23:33] <godbyk-sagan> I only use it on my new PC (which has lots of CPU cores and processors).
[23:34] <ubuntujenkins> my laptop will do linux boxes in vm but its not a fan of lots of installs in a row
[23:44] <c7p> g' night guys and kevin have a nice time at the latex evening :)
[23:45] <godbyk-sagan> c7p: thanks!  see ya later.
[23:48] <ubuntujenkins> wow it did load faster but the macros do not work :( "out of memory"
[23:48] <godbyk-sagan> ah, bummer.
[23:48] <godbyk-sagan> time to upgrade. :)
[23:48] <ubuntujenkins> I wish I have to buy loads of stuff before i start my job
[23:48] <godbyk-sagan> where's your job again? (I think you told me before.)
[23:49] <dutchie> i'm not very good at going to bed
[23:49] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: I do that all the time
[23:50] <godbyk-sagan> dutchie: Me neither (among so very many other things).
[23:50] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-sagan: enginerring student at cummins
[23:50] <ubuntujenkins> big engines
[23:50] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins: ah, cool.
[23:51] <dutchie> beats my prospective job at carphone warehouse
[23:52] <dutchie> stupid android and it's long "Starting download" time
[23:52] <dutchie> er, its
[23:53] <dutchie> stuff it, bedtime
[23:53] <dutchie> actually this time
[23:54] <godbyk-sagan> are they ever going to release froyo?
[23:55] <ubuntujenkins> I thought it was out? I am sure fab was on about it on linux outlaws
[23:55] <godbyk-sagan> well, I think people have been downloading an unofficial version.
[23:55] <godbyk-sagan> but they haven't pushed the update over the air yet.
[23:57] <ubuntujenkins> i see, you and your nexus one :)
[23:57] <godbyk-sagan> yep! :)
[23:58] <godbyk-sagan> btw, if anyone has any good recommendations for a linux-based tablet or an awesome (open) ebook reader, let me know.
[23:58] <godbyk-sagan> I bought a netbook/tablet the other day, but have to send it back as the battery won't recharge.
[23:59] <ubuntujenkins> get a wee tab, when they come out
[23:59] <ubuntujenkins> we-tab actually
[23:59] <godbyk-sagan> when are they due out?
[23:59] <ubuntujenkins> ages :(