[04:36] I'd like to be an author for the ubuntu manual. I've got TEx Live 2009 all installed but when I try and make Ubuntu-Manual-en.pdf it states that I'm missing en.po [04:36] Anybody know what I did wrong? [04:55] Wow. Nevermind. Got it. Ignore the noobishness. [07:24] good morning! [10:01] morning [10:04] good morning ubuntujenkins [15:03] wow we are quite today :) [15:09] ubuntujenkins: must have been because i have been out all day and afk :) [15:09] heh, i am afk alot at the moment as well [15:10] because of the soccer? [15:10] no just other bits and bobs to do now i am at home [15:12] yea, iv been busy working on my python fu and also working on some projects of mine [15:12] gonna be exciting over the next few months [21:09] howdy [21:10] godbyk: / godbyk-sagan ping [21:11] the channel is a sleep [21:22] :-) [21:24] A single sleep? [21:31] hello shrini and flan people are awake. [21:31] hello ubuntujenkins [21:46] I just came across the following link. [21:46] http://ubuntugeek.tradepub.com/free/w_ubun01/ [21:47] They are harvesting info to get the download. [21:47] ChrisWoollard: yep I asked them to add a link to our site a couple of days a go [21:48] wich is not on the bottom of http://www.ubuntugeek.com/download-free-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-pdf-guide.html [21:48] *which [21:49] Yep. It is a bit cheeky [21:50] I don't know why people feel the need to harvest info for our work. thats two sites that do it now. Shows our work is good i guess [21:51] Hey, ubuntujenkins. [21:51] hey you are alive :P [21:51] Unfortuanatly personal information is valuable [21:51] godbyk-sagan: what is happening as far as the font for the greek manual [21:52] ChrisWoollard: yea they ask for address etc [21:52] what's up with the fonts in the greek manual? [21:52] godbyk-sagan: linux libertine gives us 3 errors [21:52] ubuntujenkins: really? I thought linux-libertine had full greek support. do you have the errors handy? [21:52] yep [21:53] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/elerrors numbers 3,4,6 they are the same error [21:53] oh, and it seems that both sites I've seen distributing our manual are forwarding to the same underlying site. I can only guess they get some referral fees or something out of it. [21:54] :( [21:54] i can't compile here as I get japaniese letters in the evince index pane [21:56] also kevin can you mail me the ubuntu-manual-el.tex file you are using. as are using one that c7p and i have is not the same as the one for builds.ubuntu-manual.org [21:56] ubuntujenkins: I think #3 may be okay as long as the Greek looks good (especially the placement of accents, etc.). [21:57] ubuntujenkins: #1 can be safely ignored. We're not using a bibliography, so no worries. [21:57] #2 we should attend to and make sure the cross-references are correct. [21:57] how is that done just build it again? [21:58] #4 is telling us that there aren't any old-style numbers in italic. I'm not sure where this occurs, so I'll have to look into it. If it's printing the regular lining figures instead, it should be okay. [21:58] #5 can be ignored. it's just latex being snarky. [21:58] ok cool, we are very close with greek [21:58] #6 is the same as #4. [21:59] * ubuntujenkins nods [21:59] and #7 can probably be ignored. [21:59] * ubuntujenkins nods again [22:00] any thoughts on my japanies letters in evince [22:00] Japanese letters in evince? We're working on a Japanese translation already now? [22:01] no i get them in the index for what ever language i compile for [22:01] not sure about english [22:01] really? [22:01] that's quite strange. [22:02] let me give it a shot here. [22:02] (though I don't know if everything's setup on my laptop or not. guess we'll find out.) [22:02] I am using the packages, so I don't know what it is. I need to solve it as it is a bug in them effectivley [22:03] running bzr pull now. could take a while. (my parents' internet connection is slow.) [22:03] ubuntujenkins: are the indices on the builds.ubuntu-manual.org site okay? [22:04] yep [22:04] if so, it may be a problem with your packaged xindy compared to my tug2009 xindy. [22:04] (didn't you have to jump through some hoops on the xindy stuff. wasn't xindy not packaged originally?) [22:05] I am just trying an older version of xindy it is in debian [22:05] c7p: hello [22:05] okay. [22:05] hey [22:05] oh godbyk is home :d [22:05] c7p: only for a little bit. [22:05] nice :P [22:05] I've been swamped at work the past week or two trying to get people up to speed on things before I take off. [22:06] I'll be leaving tomorrow evening for about a week. [22:06] i know :) [22:06] (Hopefully, I'll return with lots of fun TeX-related things we can make use of.) [22:06] godbyk-sagan: thanks for fitting us in your secdule [22:06] ubuntujenkins: lol. no problem. [22:06] how much time do you have now? [22:07] I just got back from running errands today. I'm hanging out at my parents house for a couple days. [22:07] (So I'm away from work where they can only harass me via IM and email.) [22:07] :P [22:07] I should be around for a few hours (coming and going a little bit). [22:08] do you want to chill out or we can arrange some things? [22:09] I can try to help with some things, but I'm on my laptop, so I'm somewhat limited in what I can do. [22:09] (I don't think I have everything set up here.) [22:09] hmm an older version of xindy no help [22:09] ok [22:10] ubuntujenkins: here''s the version of xindy I'm running (on my laptop, at least): [22:10] $ xindy --version [22:10] xindy release: unknown [22:10] xindy script version: 1.13 [22:10] xindy kernel version: 2.3 [22:10] xindy run time engine: x86_64-linux-gnu, version 2.2 [22:10] CLISP version 2.48 (2009-07-28) (built on pcl321.mppmu.mpg.de [134.107.3.54]) [22:10] architecture: X86_64 [22:10] godbyk-sagan: this is what i get http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/90026/__________________ubuntu_10_04_012_N7SQXq.png [22:10] this is what i just tried [22:10] xindy release: unknown [22:10] xindy script version: 1.08 [22:10] xindy kernel version: 2.3 [22:10] xindy run time engine: x86_64-linux-gnu, version 2.2 [22:10] CLISP version 2.44 (2008-02-02) (built on excelsior.roeckx.be [83.143.242.5]) [22:11] architecture: X86_64 [22:11] ubuntujenkins: weird. [22:11] so it's the pdf index. [22:11] that's not a xindy thing. [22:11] that'd be from the hyperref package. [22:11] yea sorry, should have explained better [22:12] godbyk concerning the greek manual I think we are finished [22:12] have you read a message that I sent you before some days about the todo things ? [22:13] c7p: / godbyk-sagan we have two pages to remove from before the index [22:13] ubuntujenkins: actually topo fixed all these bugs [22:13] c7p: I glanced at it and then flagged it for review later. :) [22:14] ok :) [22:14] ubuntujenkins: yeah, there's some odd bug in the \printindex command or somewhere along the way. [22:14] ubuntujenkins: I had to jump through some hoops to fix it in the final English edition, as I recall. [22:15] yea i recal you saying [22:17] there are other customizations I made to the final English edition that didn't get reincorporated to the translated editions. (and I didn't want to anger the translators by updating the pot file so late in the game.) [22:17] that's why we have all these little things to do by hand. [22:20] godbyk-sagan: so is there any material that needs translation for the official release of the translated manual ? [22:24] hmm, godbyk-sagan I have gone back to older packages and no luck on this japanise letters [22:25] * c7p brb [22:26] I don't recall what extra stuff has already been translated. [22:26] We have the new copyright page text in there? [22:27] And the colophon text. [22:27] I think those are the two big things that I added. [22:29] godbyk-sagan: yes have translated these stuff [22:30] any suggestions on the letter problem [22:30] *other [22:31] have you installed the latest version of xindy ? [22:32] ubuntujenkins: not yet. It seems like it may have to do with either the fonts or with hyperref. [22:32] yea i am thinking fonts i am trying to guess at what to install rather than the whole texlive-full and blowing th edownload limit at home [22:33] ubuntujenkins: try a different font for your UI stuff. [22:34] surely that will make no diffence if the builds.ubuntu...org ones work? [22:35] ubuntujenkins: ah, good point. [22:35] I am trying texlive-fonts-extra [22:36] I don't expect that's have an effect, since we're not using the tex fonts. [22:36] hmm [22:39] ubuntujenkins: I just built it on my laptop and the bookmarks look okay. [22:40] are you using the packages or source? [22:41] ubuntujenkins, c7p: another thing we have to translate [for all translations]: the word 'Colophon' (as it appears in the bookmarks list). [22:42] [I think there's another couple bookmarks I added to the final English addition. I'm gonna check as soon as I get the code checked out on my laptop.] [22:42] also license its the only thing that is still ok in mine [22:42] the word "license" [22:43] ubuntujenkins: where do you see that? [22:44] don't worry i think that may be done. I messed up and lost the *el.tex file. i did make clean [22:45] okay, I'm feeling like an idiot. do you see the lucid-e1-en branch (or lucid-1e-en.. however I spelled it)? [22:45] ubuntujenkins: ah, right. just run 'bzr revert ubuntu-manual-el.tex' to get it back. [22:46] brb [22:46] I have the file in an e-mail as c7p sent me a newer one [22:52] godbyk-sagan: can you run me a list of what packages you have installed which start with ttf please [22:53] don't worry its not a font as the others look ok [22:58] back now [23:02] godbyk-sagan: should i mail you the translation of the word "Colophon" or should I tell it to you here on channel ? [23:05] c7p: Email it to me. (Just to ensure irc doesn't mangle it.) [23:06] irc is awesome at unicode [23:07] dutchie: fair enough. but is xchat? or my xchat font? [23:07] :) [23:08] ønły 1 wæy ŧø finð øúŧ [23:08] Heh.. now see, that makes no sense. ;-) [23:08] wfm in irssi [23:09] It works here, too. [23:09] ŧ←þ→nŋ ł→ŧħ ŧħe ¢øµþøße ĸe← ħełð ðøłn łøøĸß æłeßøµe [23:09] ”↓ŧ ↓n¶eæðæ”łe [23:10] nice! [23:11] lol it's greek to me hahaha [23:11] haha [23:13] I see a mess of letters [23:14] so do I, dutchie how did you managed to type these characters ? [23:14] dutchie: which key have you set as the compse key? [23:14] alt-gr [23:14] That might work, I don't think I ever use that key. Or maybe the Windows context menu key or something. That definitely never gets used. [23:15] what is that key for? I ahve never ever used it [23:15] well i can't find it on keyboard ! [23:15] which one? the windows context menu key? it pulls up the right-click menu for whatever thing has focus. (on windows at least.) [23:16] the windows key is used for shortcuts (and is generally called "super") [23:16] try super+a for example [23:17] ah we call it with other name :P [23:19] godbyk-sagan: am i using the script you gave c7p to compile it or am i using make *el.tex [23:20] ubuntujenkins: you *should* be able to use make blah-el.pdf [23:20] the compile script is obsolete now and shouldn't be used. [23:22] I feel I am asking idiotic questions but I am getting "make: `ubuntu-manual-el.tex' is up to date." what do i remove to make it run again? [23:23] doing make *el.tex [23:23] pdf not tex [23:24] Its late :) [23:24] excuses, excuses! [23:24] that's exactly what I thought :P ubuntujenkins [23:24] I have to get up early tomorrow :/ [23:25] haven't you finished the exams? [23:25] yea, I have some stuff for my job [23:26] you have to love the crossover guys, I am not even a paying customer i a just trialing and they are letting me test a nighly build. Their service is great [23:26] they have be very helpfull with my problems [23:27] Found it! https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/lucid-1e-en [23:27] I'm not crazy after all! [23:27] night all [23:27] g' night dutchie [23:27] Launchpad was filtering the list of branches (and only showing the active branches). [23:27] G'night, dutchie. [23:27] night dutchie [23:28] Cool. What're you using crossover for, ubuntujenkins? [23:30] * ubuntujenkins wispers office 2007 and macros [23:30] I have office due to uni [23:30] and there is a cool excel thing that i have found [23:31] oh? [23:31] I am a scout leader and there is a very good spread sheet to help with organising. Cross over apears to be the best way to save rebooting [23:32] Aha. [23:32] I just run Office under Windows under Virtualbox OSE. [23:32] they are the only place that supports macros but it takes, 90 mins to load the spread sheet this nigthly takes 2-3 aparently [23:32] (I had to purchase a copy of Office the other day because we have to use some Word doc forms for uni and OOo wasn't saving them very well.) [23:33] nice! [23:33] my laptop would die doing that. virtual box [23:33] yeah, it's pretty resource intensive. [23:33] I e-mailed them and he said it does open honest it takes 10+ minutes though. [23:33] I only use it on my new PC (which has lots of CPU cores and processors). [23:34] my laptop will do linux boxes in vm but its not a fan of lots of installs in a row [23:44] g' night guys and kevin have a nice time at the latex evening :) [23:45] c7p: thanks! see ya later. [23:48] wow it did load faster but the macros do not work :( "out of memory" [23:48] ah, bummer. [23:48] time to upgrade. :) [23:48] I wish I have to buy loads of stuff before i start my job [23:48] where's your job again? (I think you told me before.) [23:49] i'm not very good at going to bed [23:49] dutchie: I do that all the time [23:50] dutchie: Me neither (among so very many other things). [23:50] godbyk-sagan: enginerring student at cummins [23:50] big engines [23:50] ubuntujenkins: ah, cool. [23:51] beats my prospective job at carphone warehouse [23:52] stupid android and it's long "Starting download" time [23:52] er, its [23:53] stuff it, bedtime [23:53] actually this time [23:54] are they ever going to release froyo? [23:55] I thought it was out? I am sure fab was on about it on linux outlaws [23:55] well, I think people have been downloading an unofficial version. [23:55] but they haven't pushed the update over the air yet. [23:57] i see, you and your nexus one :) [23:57] yep! :) [23:58] btw, if anyone has any good recommendations for a linux-based tablet or an awesome (open) ebook reader, let me know. [23:58] I bought a netbook/tablet the other day, but have to send it back as the battery won't recharge. [23:59] get a wee tab, when they come out [23:59] we-tab actually [23:59] when are they due out? [23:59] ages :(