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| wers | hellooo | 13:01 |
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| thorwil | hi wers, vish, mpt, godbyk-android2 | 13:01 |
| mpt | Hello everyone | 13:01 |
| vish | o/ | 13:01 |
| wers | hi thorwil | 13:01 |
| mpt | I'm sorry ivanka, charline, and djsiegel aren't here, I don't know where they are t.b.h. | 13:02 |
| thorwil | movable bermuda triangle? | 13:02 |
| mpt | possibly | 13:03 |
| mpt | Millbank Triangle | 13:03 |
| * thorwil whistles scary melody | 13:03 | |
| vish | heh | 13:03 |
| mpt | Is godbyk-android2 actually here? | 13:04 |
| wers | okayyy. what do we have for today? :) | 13:05 |
| mpt | Well, I was going to invite godbyk to talk about his ideas for a usability book | 13:06 |
| wers | usability book, huh? what is this exactly about? | 13:07 |
| thorwil | mpt: we have been missing him in the -manual channel, lately | 13:07 |
| mpt | We've been talking a bit about how to present the human interface guidelines | 13:07 |
| mpt | and Kevin suggested the possibility of having a more general book for design and usability in open source | 13:07 |
| wers | nice | 13:08 |
| mpt | But I think, as with the interface guidelines, there's a lack of people with time to write | 13:09 |
| thorwil | mpt: would be great, if combined with an online version and at least the option of some collaborative editing. could be done with one or 2 full timers plus only few now-and-then collaborators ;p | 13:09 |
| mpt | oh, only one or two full-timers? :-) | 13:10 |
| mpt | Kevin suggested this book as inspiration: http://www.uidesigns.com/ | 13:11 |
| thorwil | mpt: one is serious, 2 is mocking maybe a little bit ;) | 13:11 |
| mpt | hi aday | 13:12 |
| aday | mpt: hey, sorry i'm late | 13:12 |
| wers | hi aday :) | 13:13 |
| mpt | Apart from that, we seem to have a lack of ideas at the moment. | 13:14 |
| aday | wers: hi :) | 13:14 |
| mpt | And I will be away on holiday the next two Thursdays, so I won't be able to run these meetings. | 13:14 |
| thorwil | mpt: unless there's a competent, yet crazy person out there, not in this circle. godbyk has to know himself, but i think the manual project can easily eat his available time in the foreseeable future | 13:14 |
| mpt | yes | 13:15 |
| * vish takes note to squeeze stuff from mpt before his vacation ;p | 13:15 | |
| thorwil | no lack of ideas, just a lack of ones that we can tackle, realistically | 13:15 |
| vish | mpt: lack of ideas? maybe we need more of folks from the ayatana ML ;p | 13:16 |
| * thorwil knows he starts to sound like a broken record, but can't help it | 13:16 | |
| aday | me and some of the gnome design types have started drawing up some personas. is that something we could tackle? | 13:16 |
| mpt | yes, that's a possibility | 13:16 |
| thorwil | vish: SABDFL is my hero. +1, look at that funny picture i madez you! | 13:16 |
| mpt | We've talked at a couple of UDSes (Jaunty and Karmic, I think) about personas, but we didn't produce any in public | 13:17 |
| vish | thorwil: pff , fanboyee ;) | 13:17 |
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| wers | something's bugging me about the panel. i'm not sure if this is the right time to discuss it, though | 13:18 |
| aday | mpt: we've drafted some and i'm planning to do some interviews | 13:18 |
| vish | aday: personas would be great thing to work on | 13:18 |
| mpt | aday, great, are the drafts published anywhere? | 13:18 |
| aday | the main challenge for me is getting interviewees | 13:18 |
| aday | mpt: it's happening on google wave... we could move the content somewhere else though | 13:18 |
| aday | or just add interested parties | 13:19 |
| mpt | I'm an interested party | 13:19 |
| aday | mpt: got a wave address? | 13:20 |
| mpt | aday, matthew.thomas | 13:20 |
| mpt | @gmail | 13:20 |
| aday | done. anybody else? | 13:21 |
| vish | o/ | 13:21 |
| mpt | thanks aday | 13:21 |
| thorwil | o/, too | 13:21 |
| wers | allancaeg *at* gmail | 13:21 |
| thorwil | t_w_@freenet.de | 13:23 |
| mpt | Something else Kevin and I discussed over the past week is setting up a basic user testing template (Do people understand what your program does? How long does it take for them to do something useful with it? etc) | 13:23 |
| mpt | to encourage the UX advocates to do some user testing, even informally | 13:23 |
| wers | mpt, that's interesting. do you have a draft template as of the moment? | 13:24 |
| wers | and what user testing tools do you have in mind? | 13:24 |
| mpt | no, I haven't | 13:24 |
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| mpt | Just sitting beside someone as they try out the program | 13:25 |
| mpt | and asking them to do various things | 13:25 |
| mpt | nothing complicated | 13:25 |
| mpt | Have any of us run a user test before? I know aday has sat in on one we did at Canonical | 13:25 |
| * thorwil 's experience is limited to seeing lots of folks stumble through quarkXpress, freehand, photoshop and ms office | 13:26 | |
| wers | i havent yet, but I've seen a morae session before. that's what we're trying to duplicate through the FOSS Usability Testing Suite | 13:27 |
| * vish neither | 13:27 | |
| wers | actually, my office might buy Morae very soon and we're planning to have user testing as a service next week. i'll see what I'll learn out of the experience | 13:27 |
| aday | it doesn't have to be as complicated as using screen recording software. you can just watch and make a few notes | 13:28 |
| mpt | ok, so I will try to persuade charline or someone to write up a basic template, if I don't have time to do it myself | 13:28 |
| aday | it's amazing how much you can learn that way | 13:28 |
| mpt | true | 13:28 |
| wers | aday, i agree, especially if the persona the participant represents thinks very differently from you | 13:28 |
| mpt | I'll also see if I can persuade ivanka to run the meeting the next couple of weeks. | 13:29 |
| thorwil | the people thinking different became very clear to me, a hit with a basebal bat couldn't have been clearer | 13:30 |
| mpt | In the meantime, thanks for turning up. :-) | 13:31 |
| thorwil | mpt: found ivanka. she just has been in the wiki, free culture showcase :) | 13:31 |
| thorwil | np, after all, that's all i manage | 13:31 |
| wers | for user testing, we can use gtk record my desktop or Istanbul in the meantime. | 13:34 |
| wers | and just run it with the sound recorder | 13:34 |
| wers | for TAP | 13:34 |
| wers | casually observing the usage of the software is nice, but it's better to document the test so others can also give their feedback | 13:35 |
| aday | i'm the ux advocate for nautilus (apparently). i'm planning to blog about that soon. i'll try and put something in there about usability testing | 13:37 |
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| wers | sorry got dc. did a miss anything? | 13:51 |
| wers | aday, you remember the app centrism discussion? :) | 13:52 |
| aday | wers: yeah! you moved forward with that at all? | 13:53 |
| wers | aday, i want to pursue it | 13:54 |
| wers | i'm actually planning to talk about it at GNOME.Asia | 13:54 |
| wers | I'll explore it a bit more and maybe borrow your ideas. I'll quote you if I talk about them, of course :D | 13:54 |
| aday | wers: cool. i've been talking with some designers about document management away from the file system. would love to see that happen | 13:55 |
| aday | wers: no need to quote me. just buy me a beer ;) | 13:55 |
| wers | aday, nice. I actually emailed dylan mccall. he's still interested | 13:55 |
| wers | aday, lol. shipping costs would be more expensive :P i'll just quote you | 13:55 |
| aday | wers: great. i was excited about his project. that could be a big part of whatever solution we come up with | 13:56 |
| aday | wers: there's also the stuff that's planned for unity, though i haven't seen many specifics | 13:57 |
| wers | aday, cool! you mean, solution to app centrism issue? | 13:57 |
| wers | aday, that' nice. what is it exactly? | 13:57 |
| aday | wers: i'm primarily thinking about document management outside the file manager | 13:57 |
| aday | wers: what's unity? the new ubuntu netbook thang | 13:58 |
| wers | aday, oh. you meant, that (which is your suggestion on the thread) could be a solution (to the document management issue), correct? | 13:58 |
| wers | aday, i meant, what's the solution on unity exactly? is there a specific app addressing the issue? | 13:59 |
| aday | wers: i hear they're planning to use zeitgeist for file management | 14:00 |
| wers | aday, oh. you mean, the engine right? so just the backend but not Activity Journal? | 14:01 |
| aday | wers: yes. no indications of what the front will look like yet | 14:01 |
| wers | if so, how will this address the issue? will it display filetype-specific options? | 14:02 |
| aday | wers: dunno! we might be on slightly different wave lengths on this one... i'd like to see you slides or whatever when they're done | 14:05 |
| wers | aday, oh. let's just wait for it :) | 14:06 |
| aday | wers: we'll i'd like to try and collaborate with unity if possible. it would be great if gnome could use some of the work they're doing | 14:07 |
| aday | *we'll -> well | 14:07 |
| wers | aday, that's exactly what i was thinking. we could use some upstream love. i was actually wondering if you were involved in unity, but weren't talking about this upstream. hehe | 14:08 |
| wers | but you mentioned that you're waiting for them so I figured. haha | 14:08 |
| wers | 'cause the thing with this is, it's not a netbook-specific issue. the GNOME desktop can use it | 14:09 |
| wers | which makes me think, why doesn't GNOME have a netbook interface, unlike KDE? ok nevermind. offtopic. lol | 14:10 |
| aday | wers: well that depends. they might have a very restricted set of use-cases. we'd have to discuss it | 14:11 |
| wers | yep. let's just talk about it in the right venue | 14:12 |
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| sbr | Hello | 15:03 |
| sbr | Any metting | 15:06 |
| sbr | Is anyone here? | 15:09 |
| czajkowski | sbr: what meeting are you looking for http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | 15:11 |
| sbr | the java meeting | 15:11 |
| sbr | czajkowski: the details on the meeting says 15 - 16, so maybe it is registered wrong | 15:17 |
| czajkowski | sbr: I've no idea sorry I've never seen that meeting | 15:17 |
| sbr | czajkowski: okay thanks, I will try at 15 | 15:18 |
| sbr | Any meetting? | 16:07 |
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