alket | Hi | 02:19 |
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alket | What does MOTU do ? | 02:20 |
arand | !motu | 02:21 |
ubottu | motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | 02:21 |
alket | So what do you do, i mean how do you maintain them, where do you find them ? | 02:21 |
* arand is not a motu by the way... | 02:23 | |
alket | anyone ? | 02:27 |
arand | alket: Mainly packages comes from debian, some patching/merging is done if necessary, and they're stuck in ubuntu, or a new *upstream* version is taken into ubuntu and merged into the current packaging, or a whole new application is packaged from scratch... For general details, the wiki would likely be the place, ubuntu, or debian's which should be more exhaustive I gues.. | 02:27 |
alket | thankyou arand | 02:28 |
arand | And as you may have noticed, this is one of the more quiet times for this channel.. | 02:31 |
alket | this is actually my third time over a long time | 02:32 |
alket | I always wanted to get involved in something for ubuntu | 02:32 |
alket | never had a right place | 02:32 |
lfaraone | could someone take a look at this diagram I generated about the versioning/basing of a debian/ubuntu/ppa package? It's at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/103749/loadupp.svg | 04:03 |
micahg | lfaraone: usually a good idea to use 1~ppa1 instead of 1ppa1 in case a sync is possible | 04:08 |
lfaraone | micahg: would'nt ~ppa1 mean that the -1 would trump? | 04:09 |
micahg | lfaraone: yep | 04:09 |
micahg | lfaraone: am I reading it wrong | 04:10 |
lfaraone | micahg: I mean "if this package is in the archives and you are making modifications to it" | 04:10 |
* micahg guesses he should have asked what modif means :) | 04:10 | |
lfaraone | motdif == changes beyond a rebuild. release means a New Upstream Version. | 04:11 |
micahg | lfaraone: ah, than it looks fine, but I'm not officially a dev, so my opinion doesn't carry too much weight :) | 04:12 |
lfaraone | micahg: well, I'm officially a dev and I still am not sure. getting the magic hand logo on your LP profile doesn't grant you all knowledge of the universe, just the mastery of it :D | 04:14 |
ScottK | lfaraone: If you are taking an existing version, making changes to it, and putting it in a PPA, I usually us +ppa1 at the end. | 04:17 |
lfaraone | ScottK: okay. is +ppa1 better than ppa1? (since I've told the folks I've been mentoring to use the latter <_<;) | 04:19 |
ScottK | For #6 I'd call it 1.2-1ubuntu1~ppa1. | 04:19 |
ScottK | lfaraone: Functionally it's the same. I think +ppa1 is clearer. | 04:19 |
micahg | anyone care to sponsor a no source change rebuild for gjs? | 04:20 |
lfaraone | micahg: sure. rationale? | 04:24 |
lfaraone | and/or bug :D | 04:24 |
micahg | bug 597944 :) | 04:24 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 597944 in gjs (Ubuntu) "libgjs needs a rebuild for xulrunner-1.9.2.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597944 | 04:24 |
lfaraone | ScottK: for No-Change Rebuilds, I can just increment the debian revision part by "build1", so it'd read "-1ubuntu3build1", right? | 04:26 |
ScottK | lfaraone: If there's already an ubuntuX revision, just increment that. Use -1ubuntu4. | 04:26 |
ScottK | The only reason to use XbuildY is the sync scripts know it's OK to sync over that. | 04:27 |
ScottK | If it's already got real changes, that's not relevant. | 04:27 |
nigelb | didrocks: I'm without my comp :( can you do it without me? | 04:31 |
dholbach | good morning | 07:00 |
coolbhavi | good morning dholbach | 07:02 |
dholbach | hi coolbhavi | 07:04 |
coolbhavi | hi dholbach | 07:05 |
micahg | dholbach: do you have time to sponsor a no source change rebuild? | 07:15 |
dholbach | micahg: on it already | 07:15 |
micahg | dholbach: wow, w//out a bug number even :) | 07:16 |
dholbach | micahg: I usually do a bit of sponsoring in my morning | 07:16 |
dholbach | micahg: so I just grabbed ~10 bugs and I'll work on them while reading up on other stuff | 07:16 |
micahg | dholbach: awesome, thanks, can you click the retry on gnome-shell after gjs builds? | 07:17 |
dholbach | micahg: can you remind me of it when gjs has built? | 07:17 |
dholbach | micahg: I usually don't keep track of builds and wait for them to happen | 07:17 |
micahg | dholbach: k, don't worry then, I'll just ping seb and let him know | 07:18 |
dholbach | or just ask in here once gjs has built | 07:18 |
dholbach | any motu or core-dev should be able to do it | 07:18 |
dholbach | rock on micahg | 07:18 |
* micahg will send an email... | 07:19 | |
didrocks | nigelb: sure, will do, no worry :) | 08:43 |
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nigelb | didrocks: So sorry I can't help with it. My motherboard got fried :/ | 08:44 |
didrocks | nigelb: no pb, it's quite easy, I'll do it ;) hope you will find another motherboard soon | 08:44 |
kaushal | hi | 08:54 |
kaushal | is sun-java6-jdk update 20 available with hardy 8.04 server ? | 08:54 |
jmarsden | kaushal: use rmadison to find out... looks like it to me... rmadison -s hardy-updates sun-java6-jdk says: sun-java6-jdk | 6.20dlj-0ubuntu1.8.04 | hardy-updates/multiverse | amd64, i386 | 09:20 |
kaushal | jmarsden: can i install rmadison ? | 09:24 |
kaushal | which package contains rmadison ? | 09:24 |
jmarsden | devscripts | 09:25 |
kaushal | ok | 09:25 |
jmarsden | kaushal: To answer the question "what package contains file X" use http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and its "Search package contents" form. | 09:27 |
kaushal | jmarsden: sure | 09:27 |
kaushal | which repos contain sun-java6-jdk ? | 09:27 |
kaushal | is it multiverse or universe or main or restricted ? | 09:27 |
jmarsden | That answer is there in the rmadison output I quoted. | 09:28 |
kaushal | ok | 09:28 |
BlackZ | dholbach: could you be more clear for bug #597882 ? | 09:38 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 597882 in ettercap (Ubuntu) "Please merge ettercap 1:0.7.3-2 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597882 | 09:38 |
dholbach | BlackZ: you forgot to merge a portion in debian/rules | 09:40 |
dholbach | BlackZ: the 'cp ...' calls in debian/rules are now missing | 09:40 |
dholbach | BlackZ: the result is that they are not installed in the resulting package any more | 09:40 |
dholbach | BlackZ: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50821473/merge.debdiff does not touch debian/rules at all | 09:41 |
BlackZ | dholbach: looking | 09:41 |
dholbach | Who could give a session on anything that a new developer would find useful at the next Ubuntu Developer Week? | 09:56 |
dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep is the preliminary schedule | 09:56 |
dholbach | warp10, quadrispro, DktrKranz: ^ a job for the Italian mafia? :) | 09:59 |
warp10 | ehy dholbach! Is this an offer we can't refuse? :P | 10:00 |
dholbach | I hope so ;-) | 10:00 |
* dholbach hugs warp10 | 10:01 | |
* warp10 hugs back dholbach | 10:01 | |
quadrispro | dholbach, I'm sorry but in this period I'm getting crazy with my exams... | 10:01 |
quadrispro | :( | 10:02 |
* quadrispro hugs everyone | 10:02 | |
warp10 | dholbach: well, maybe someone among DktrKranz, gaspa and me can arrange something | 10:03 |
dholbach | quadrispro: all the best with the exams then! when are they going to be? | 10:03 |
dholbach | warp10: that'd be awesome | 10:03 |
Rhonda | dholbach: I think you can count on me, I just haven't figured out what would be the best time for me, or started preparing anything. %-) | 10:03 |
quadrispro | on july | 10:04 |
dholbach | Rhonda: just pick a slot on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep then :-D | 10:05 |
quadrispro | until the end of July I'll be really, really, really, really [...] busy | 10:06 |
dholbach | quadrispro: all the best! | 10:06 |
quadrispro | I've planned to come to Berlin in August, but I don't know now | 10:06 |
quadrispro | thank you | 10:07 |
BlackZ | dholbach: fixed | 10:07 |
dholbach | quadrispro: let me know when you're there - I might be gone for parts of August, but maybe we can meet for a beer or something | 10:08 |
dholbach | BlackZ: I'm a bit busy now, but maybe I get a chance to have a look later on | 10:08 |
dholbach | BlackZ: somebody else might be quicker :) | 10:09 |
huats | morning | 10:09 |
BlackZ | hey huats | 10:09 |
huats | hello BlackZ | 10:09 |
quadrispro | dholbach, yep, thanks! | 10:10 |
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DktrKranz | dholbach: it's not "Mafia", we consider ourselves "those @Roadhouse" (hi quadrispro!) ;) | 10:11 |
warp10 | dholbach: could you elaborate about your proposal? What should we speak about, in details? | 10:11 |
quadrispro | ohhh! roadhouse... | 10:11 |
dholbach | warp10: anything you'd like really - the audience will be developers, but I guess primarily new contributors who are interested in development | 10:11 |
dholbach | warp10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Previous shows sessions we had before | 10:12 |
dholbach | that might give you a few ideas | 10:12 |
BlackZ | roadhouse lol | 10:12 |
warp10 | DktrKranz, gaspa: any idea? | 10:12 |
gaspa | warp10: let's try, come on ;) | 10:12 |
gaspa | ( nope, no idea :P ) | 10:12 |
dholbach | hey gaspa | 10:12 |
dholbach | or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training/Logs too | 10:13 |
warp10 | gaspa: sad, but I appreciate the enthusiasm! :P | 10:13 |
gaspa | hi dholbach ;) | 10:13 |
quadrispro | ohh, too many italians here | 10:15 |
gaspa | quadrispro: don't you appreciate ? ;) | 10:16 |
quadrispro | gaspa, No, I don't definitely :D | 10:16 |
warp10 | quadrispro: come here between 16:00-18:00 today: you won't find any, I suppose :P | 10:16 |
quadrispro | warp10, you're right: I'll be watching TV, hoping to see a goal of Slovakia | 10:18 |
warp10 | quadrispro: uh? | 10:18 |
gaspa | dholbach: uh, why deleted: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1001/BeautifulCode ? | 10:20 |
* gaspa was intereset :) | 10:20 | |
* warp10 believes quadrispro has a bad fever or some kind of strange pathology | 10:20 | |
gaspa | "interested" | 10:20 |
dholbach | gaspa: rockstar couldn't make it | 10:20 |
gaspa | ah, pity | 10:21 |
dholbach | rockstar could probably give it this time! | 10:21 |
gaspa | dholbach: we (me and warp10) will sign for a slot, probably the last of one day... (20utc is quite suitable with family stuff) | 10:33 |
gaspa | about the topic, we'll submit one asap, ok? | 10:33 |
dholbach | gaspa: awesome - can you please block the slot you like already, so nobody else goes and takes it? | 10:33 |
* warp10 nodsa | 10:34 | |
dholbach | thanks | 10:34 |
* warp10 nods* | 10:34 | |
gaspa | :) | 10:34 |
gaspa | dholbach: after launch-time. ;) have to check agenda and such. | 10:34 |
dholbach | gaspa: alrightie | 10:35 |
warp10 | gaspa: do you have an agenda? | 10:37 |
gaspa | warp10: yup, anna is my agenda ;) | 10:38 |
warp10 | gaspa: yeah, I imagined it :P | 10:43 |
gaspa | dholbach: isn't there a harvest instance somewhere? | 10:46 |
dholbach | gaspa: no, we're working on the new one and we'll get it deployed soon | 10:47 |
dholbach | gaspa: http://code.launchpad.net/harvest | 10:47 |
dholbach | gaspa: it's a rewrite that will make more fun to use and work on | 10:47 |
gaspa | cool | 10:47 |
gaspa | ETA? | 10:47 |
dholbach | gaspa: I'm reviewing a big change by dylanmccall, a SoC student, then it'll be just "waiting on IS" :) | 10:50 |
dholbach | gaspa: but you can check out lp:harvest and easily have a look at it already | 10:50 |
dholbach | there's an INSTALL file that explains everything | 10:50 |
gaspa | ok, thanks. | 10:50 |
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dholbach | tumbleweed, neversfelde, dobey: hey guys - you were among the last folks who got into ~ubuntu-dev - could you imagine giving a session at Ubuntu Developer Week about your experience or suggest a good topic or talk about anything related to development that'd interest new contributors? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep has the current list of topics and the preliminary schedule - we still have open slots :-D | 12:00 |
tumbleweed | dholbach: sure, I'll give it some thought | 12:07 |
* dholbach hugs tumbleweed | 12:08 | |
dholbach | tumbleweed: let me know which slot on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep would suit you and I can block it out | 12:08 |
dholbach | tumbleweed: also if you want to give the session together with somebody else, that'd be cool too | 12:09 |
tumbleweed | dholbach: lol | 12:31 |
tumbleweed | dholbach: I don't have anyone in mind for combined session. Rhonda's dh suggestion is something I could do - otherwise my primary knowledge is python packaging | 12:34 |
dholbach | tumbleweed: that sounds great to me | 12:40 |
dholbach | tumbleweed: you rock, Rhonda: you guys could work with each other on that :) | 12:46 |
Rhonda | I'm not sure if tumbleweed has an idea what I am longing for - I don't want to cover debhelper itself but rather look under the hood. :) | 12:52 |
tumbleweed | Rhonda: how far under the hood? | 12:53 |
shadeslayer | hehe ... | 12:54 |
Rhonda | tumbleweed: as far as "dpkg --build debian/$PKG .." ;) | 12:54 |
Rhonda | tumbleweed: Like e.g. in http://git.deb.at/w/pkg/beep.git/blob/f17681:/debian/rules | 12:55 |
tumbleweed | Rhonda: ok, in that case I did miss the aim of your suggestion | 12:56 |
* Rhonda hides. :) | 12:56 | |
tumbleweed | Rhonda: it's a lot of ground to cover in an hour | 12:58 |
Laney | I reckons that a "how to work with Debian" sesh could be good | 12:59 |
Rhonda | Laney: I was asked to do it - by someone who considered me a MOTU. :) | 13:00 |
Rhonda | tumbleweed: Sure. I'll see how far I can get. | 13:00 |
Rhonda | tumbleweed: Actually I want to start off with "ar x foo.deb" and explain the three files you get from that. ;) | 13:00 |
Laney | Rhonda: that's a good sign that you should become one :) | 13:00 |
tumbleweed | oh, so you intend to do it? I thought from your suggestion that you wanted the talk but didn't want to give it | 13:00 |
Laney | i'm going to steal a slot | 13:01 |
Rhonda | No, dholbach asked me what I could help with and I throw that catch phrase at him. He just blindly copied it into the wiki, putting me in the action point. %-) | 13:01 |
tumbleweed | right | 13:01 |
Rhonda | Laney: Well, but that takes time, nothing doable in two week's time, including talk preperation. :) | 13:02 |
Laney | I didn't mean that UDW was a deadline for it | 13:02 |
Laney | you can talk about your experiences from the other side anyway :) | 13:02 |
Laney | I booked it in... would be good to give it jointly with a DD ;) | 13:03 |
dholbach | and if it doesn't work out for UDW, we can always do it for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training/ :-D | 13:03 |
Rhonda | Might contain some critisism (me: "Please send patches you deem usable for Debian back." they: "Received bad feedback once, stopped doing that." me: "Not every DD is like that." they: "You can't know beforehand, and I'm annoyed." ) | 13:04 |
Rhonda | Laney: Not sure that might be so productive. :) | 13:05 |
juli_ | Hi everybody. I'm trying to create and install Maven POMs for the osgi framework (libequinox-osgi-java) according to http://wiki.debian.org/Java/MavenRepoHelper. | 13:05 |
juli_ | I've never done this before so need some review and help. Could someone take a look at debdiff I created for this package: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/598039 | 13:05 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 598039 in eclipse (Ubuntu) "add maven poms and register jars in maven-repo" [Low,New] | 13:05 |
tumbleweed | juli_: there was a talk on that at a previous developer week: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1001/JavaLibs | 13:06 |
Laney | bdrung: ^^^^^ | 13:06 |
Laney | juli_: Your diff isn't based on the latest Maverick version, and you spelled maverick wrong in the changelog | 13:07 |
Laney | furthermore, since this package is in sync with Debian I suggest you send the change to the BTS rather than launchpad | 13:07 |
nigelb | Laney: I was the person who asked Rhonda to talk about working with Debian, if you want to team up him or DktrKranz it would be great :) | 13:07 |
juli_ | Laney, thanks, I suppose guys from eclipse will change it anyway.. it is just a early draft to understand how to do this | 13:08 |
nigelb | Laney: I also assumed Rhonda was MOTU - about time he became one right? ;) | 13:08 |
Rhonda | nigelb: assuming a him, too? ;) | 13:08 |
* Rhonda . o O ( I know it's complicated with me ) | 13:08 | |
nigelb | Rhonda: oh, you're a she? sorry | 13:09 |
Laney | a "here's how to make me a happy Debian maintainer" bit would be nice | 13:09 |
Laney | if I do "what you need to install to forward patches easily" | 13:10 |
Laney | (& how to do it) | 13:10 |
nigelb | Laney: So, you're up for a session about Debian right? ;) | 13:14 |
bdrung | Laney: we (the DOA team) track the launchpad bugs, too | 13:14 |
Laney | nigelb: yes indeed | 13:15 |
Laney | bdrung: I don't know what the DOA team is | 13:15 |
Rhonda | Laney: I think I could do that part about "make me a happy Debian maintainer" | 13:15 |
nigelb | Laney: orbital alignment team or something | 13:15 |
nigelb | *something like that | 13:15 |
bdrung | juli_: please come to #eclipse-linux or #debian-java (the second one is on OFTC) to discuss your patch - it should go upstream to eclipse-build | 13:15 |
Rhonda | Laney: Just tell me how many lines you want to spare me so I can type it out beforehand and just c&paste with specific irssi delay settings. :P | 13:16 |
nigelb | Rhonda: haha | 13:16 |
juli_ | bdrung, ok, thanks | 13:16 |
Laney | haha | 13:16 |
bdrung | Laney: Debian Orbital Alignment Team = eclipse team ;) | 13:17 |
Rhonda | nigelb, Laney: hey, I wouldn't be good as sysadmin if I wouldn't be lazy in specific approaches to do work. :) | 13:17 |
Laney | There might be an amount of question answering to do too ;) | 13:17 |
Laney | but I'll keep you informed | 13:17 |
Rhonda | Sure, questions are tricky to prepare. I don't have one of these James Bond tape recorders that rewinds itself to the appropriate position and can predict all upcoming questions. | 13:20 |
RAOF | The Orbital Alignment Team would bee cooler if it _actually_ was in charge of our orbital headquaters :) | 13:20 |
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paultag | Hey MOTU. I'm having issues with upstrem packaging. It's saying it's native when it's not. I just posted to the debian-mentors ML and got a few responses. I am source 1, and I have been tweeking my working directory name, source tgz name, and changelog to all match for about 2 hours now. I'm doing something wrong. Any ideas? | 14:33 |
shadeslayer | paultag: ok | 14:35 |
shadeslayer | paultag: dir name can be package-version | 14:35 |
shadeslayer | paultag: tarball has to be : package_version.tar.gz | 14:35 |
paultag | shadeslayer: well I have a twist ( al-la M. Night ) | 14:35 |
paultag | shadeslayer: It's dfsg2-1 because of a license issue | 14:36 |
shadeslayer | dfsg ? | 14:36 |
Laney | repacked | 14:36 |
paultag | shadeslayer: debian free software guidelines | 14:36 |
Laney | do you have the orig.tar.gz in the right place? | 14:36 |
shadeslayer | paultag: btw were you at linux tag? | 14:36 |
Laney | ../blah_x+dfsg2.orig.tar.gz | 14:37 |
paultag | Laney: I thought I did. I tried a few different ones, dfsg1, dfsg2, 2-1 | 14:37 |
paultag | shadeslayer: No, wish I was! | 14:37 |
shadeslayer | paultag: ah ok :P | 14:37 |
paultag | Laney: it still bombed on me, I'm pretty lost, I don't know much with dfsg repacking, but I was kinda forced to do it | 14:37 |
Laney | please pastebin the output of "debuild -S" | 14:37 |
paultag | One sec. | 14:38 |
shadeslayer | paultag: btw youll need to add get-orig-source in your rules file | 14:38 |
paultag | Laney: whoh, I'm getting an error message i've never seen before. Let me rtfm on this, I'll poke you when I feel good about it :) | 14:38 |
Laney | there's usually something buried in that output about it becoming native | 14:39 |
paultag | Laney: I was only using dpkg-buildpackage, so I might have missed it. One sec, I want to make sure I'm not doing something really bad here :) | 14:39 |
paultag | Laney: OK. this is getting odd. Let me pastebin my session. | 14:40 |
paultag | Laney: http://pastebin.com/Ad52pmyh | 14:41 |
shadeslayer | Laney: is debian import freeze in effect? | 14:41 |
shadeslayer | and is universe included in import freeze? | 14:42 |
Laney | I don't know, but universe will be included ye | 14:42 |
Laney | s | 14:42 |
Laney | paultag: see, that's quite clear | 14:42 |
Laney | you have to name your orig.tar.gz what it wants | 14:43 |
paultag | Laney: look at the rest | 14:43 |
paultag | Laney: I copied the name that it expected ( ctrl + c ) and did an ls on ../ on it | 14:43 |
paultag | Laney: it's there and in the right format | 14:43 |
Laney | no, it's in the wrong place | 14:43 |
Laney | move it onel evel up | 14:43 |
paultag | Laney: I ran that in the debian folder, that would be outside my vcs | 14:43 |
paultag | Laney: is that how it should be? | 14:44 |
Laney | the orig.tar.gz should be in the parent directory of the root of your packaging | 14:44 |
Laney | ie debian/../.. | 14:44 |
paultag | Ahha! | 14:44 |
paultag | Laney: thank you, let me do that :) | 14:45 |
paultag | Laney: that did it! Thanks a ton :) | 14:49 |
Laney | no probs boss | 14:50 |
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EricBa | Hello, is there a motu who has some time to review my package? It's already reviewed by one motu. My programm is a wallpaper changer for gnome. - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/cortina - It was already advocated by one reviewer.. so this won't take much time to review. | 15:22 |
umang | EricBa, You don't need to write on #ubuntu-motu at the same time. If you package is included in Debian, it will be synced into Ubuntu as well. | 15:32 |
micahg | dholbach: thanks for trying for the upload, idk why it fails, I thought that was patched, I'll look into the merge | 16:30 |
dholbach | micahg: awesome - thanks | 16:45 |
gastons | Is it possible to use optional dependencies in a control file? | 16:47 |
gastons | Depends: openjdk-6-jre | sun-java6-jre | 16:47 |
micahg | gastons: yes | 16:51 |
gastons | Ok thanks. Is this documented anywhere? I looked at the debian policy manual and it just explains the different keywords. | 16:52 |
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ari-tczew | tumbleweed: I see a lot of remaining merges in sponsors-queue, do you plan make it more less? | 17:46 |
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tumbleweed | ari-tczew: I haven't joined the sponsors team yet | 18:32 |
tumbleweed | ari-tczew: but right now I'm just trying to keep my head above water, work-wise | 18:33 |
geser | tumbleweed: you don't need to join the sponsors team to be able to sponsor (you just can't unsubscribe the sponsors team from bugs) | 18:35 |
tumbleweed | geser: right, but I should join anyway. applies. | 18:35 |
Quintasan | \o | 18:58 |
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* Rhonda . o O ( dejavu? EricBa asked again? ) | 20:08 | |
Rhonda | Hmm, gastons left, otherwise I would have suggested policy 7.1 for a read. :) | 20:09 |
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