[02:19] <alket> Hi
[02:20] <alket> What does MOTU do ?
[02:21] <arand> !motu
[02:21] <alket> So what do you do, i mean how do you maintain them, where do you find them ?
[02:23]  * arand is not a motu by the way...
[02:27] <alket> anyone ?
[02:27] <arand> alket: Mainly packages comes from debian, some patching/merging is done if necessary, and they're stuck in ubuntu, or a new *upstream* version is taken into ubuntu and merged into the current packaging, or a whole new application is packaged from scratch... For general details, the wiki would likely be the place, ubuntu, or debian's which should be more exhaustive I gues..
[02:28] <alket> thankyou arand
[02:31] <arand> And as you may have noticed, this is one of the more quiet times for this channel..
[02:32] <alket> this is actually my third time over a long time
[02:32] <alket> I always wanted to get involved in something for ubuntu
[02:32] <alket> never had a right place
[04:03] <lfaraone> could someone take a look at this diagram I generated about the versioning/basing of a debian/ubuntu/ppa package? It's at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/103749/loadupp.svg
[04:08] <micahg> lfaraone: usually a good idea to use 1~ppa1 instead of 1ppa1 in case a sync is possible
[04:09] <lfaraone> micahg: would'nt ~ppa1 mean that the -1 would trump?
[04:09] <micahg> lfaraone: yep
[04:10] <micahg> lfaraone: am I reading it wrong
[04:10] <lfaraone> micahg: I mean "if this package is in the archives and you are making modifications to it"
[04:10]  * micahg guesses he should have asked what modif means :)
[04:11] <lfaraone> motdif == changes beyond a rebuild. release means a New Upstream Version.
[04:12] <micahg> lfaraone: ah, than it looks fine, but I'm not officially a dev, so my opinion doesn't carry too much weight :)
[04:14] <lfaraone> micahg: well, I'm officially a dev and I still am not sure. getting the magic hand logo on your LP profile doesn't grant you all knowledge of the universe, just the mastery of it :D
[04:17] <ScottK> lfaraone: If you are taking an existing version, making changes to it, and putting it in a PPA, I usually us +ppa1 at the end.
[04:19] <lfaraone> ScottK: okay. is +ppa1 better than ppa1? (since I've told the folks I've been mentoring to use the latter <_<;)
[04:19] <ScottK> For #6 I'd call it 1.2-1ubuntu1~ppa1.
[04:19] <ScottK> lfaraone: Functionally it's the same.  I think +ppa1 is clearer.
[04:20] <micahg> anyone care to sponsor a no source change rebuild for gjs?
[04:24] <lfaraone> micahg: sure. rationale?
[04:24] <lfaraone> and/or bug :D
[04:24] <micahg> bug 597944 :)
[04:26] <lfaraone> ScottK: for No-Change Rebuilds, I can just increment the debian revision part by "build1", so it'd read "-1ubuntu3build1", right?
[04:26] <ScottK> lfaraone: If there's already an ubuntuX revision, just increment that.  Use -1ubuntu4.
[04:27] <ScottK> The only reason to use XbuildY is the sync scripts know it's OK to sync over that.
[04:27] <ScottK> If it's already got real changes, that's not relevant.
[04:31] <nigelb> didrocks: I'm without my comp :( can you do it without me?
[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:02] <coolbhavi> good morning dholbach
[07:04] <dholbach> hi coolbhavi
[07:05] <coolbhavi> hi dholbach
[07:15] <micahg> dholbach: do you have time to sponsor a no source change rebuild?
[07:15] <dholbach> micahg: on it already
[07:16] <micahg> dholbach: wow, w//out a bug number even :)
[07:16] <dholbach> micahg: I usually do a bit of sponsoring in my morning
[07:16] <dholbach> micahg: so I just grabbed ~10 bugs and I'll work on them while reading up on other stuff
[07:17] <micahg> dholbach: awesome, thanks, can you click the retry on gnome-shell after gjs builds?
[07:17] <dholbach> micahg: can you remind me of it when gjs has built?
[07:17] <dholbach> micahg: I usually don't keep track of builds and wait for them to happen
[07:18] <micahg> dholbach: k, don't worry then, I'll just ping seb and let him know
[07:18] <dholbach> or just ask in here once gjs has built
[07:18] <dholbach> any motu or core-dev should be able to do it
[07:18] <dholbach> rock on micahg
[07:19]  * micahg will send an email...
[08:43] <didrocks> nigelb: sure, will do, no worry :)
[08:44] <nigelb> didrocks: So sorry I can't help with it. My motherboard got fried :/
[08:44] <didrocks> nigelb: no pb, it's quite easy, I'll do it ;) hope you will find another motherboard soon
[08:54] <kaushal> hi
[08:54] <kaushal> is sun-java6-jdk update 20 available with hardy 8.04 server ?
[09:20] <jmarsden> kaushal: use rmadison to find out... looks like it to me... rmadison -s hardy-updates sun-java6-jdk    says:    sun-java6-jdk | 6.20dlj-0ubuntu1.8.04 | hardy-updates/multiverse | amd64, i386
[09:24] <kaushal> jmarsden: can i install rmadison ?
[09:24] <kaushal> which package contains rmadison ?
[09:25] <jmarsden> devscripts
[09:25] <kaushal> ok
[09:27] <jmarsden> kaushal: To answer the question "what package contains file X" use http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and its "Search package contents" form.
[09:27] <kaushal> jmarsden: sure
[09:27] <kaushal> which repos contain sun-java6-jdk ?
[09:27] <kaushal> is it multiverse or universe or main or restricted ?
[09:28] <jmarsden> That answer is there in the rmadison output I quoted.
[09:28] <kaushal> ok
[09:38] <BlackZ> dholbach: could you be more clear for bug #597882 ?
[09:40] <dholbach> BlackZ: you forgot to merge a portion in debian/rules
[09:40] <dholbach> BlackZ: the 'cp ...' calls in debian/rules are now missing
[09:40] <dholbach> BlackZ: the result is that they are not installed in the resulting package any more
[09:41] <dholbach> BlackZ: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50821473/merge.debdiff does not touch debian/rules at all
[09:41] <BlackZ> dholbach: looking
[09:56] <dholbach> Who could give a session on anything that a new developer would find useful at the next Ubuntu Developer Week?
[09:56] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep is the preliminary schedule
[09:59] <dholbach> warp10, quadrispro, DktrKranz: ^ a job for the Italian mafia? :)
[10:00] <warp10> ehy dholbach! Is this an offer we can't refuse? :P
[10:00] <dholbach> I hope so ;-)
[10:01]  * dholbach hugs warp10
[10:01]  * warp10 hugs back dholbach
[10:01] <quadrispro> dholbach, I'm sorry but in this period I'm getting crazy with my exams...
[10:02] <quadrispro> :(
[10:02]  * quadrispro hugs everyone
[10:03] <warp10> dholbach: well, maybe someone among DktrKranz, gaspa and me can arrange something
[10:03] <dholbach> quadrispro: all the best with the exams then! when are they going to be?
[10:03] <dholbach> warp10: that'd be awesome
[10:03] <Rhonda> dholbach: I think you can count on me, I just haven't figured out what would be the best time for me, or started preparing anything. %-)
[10:04] <quadrispro> on july
[10:05] <dholbach> Rhonda: just pick a slot on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep then :-D
[10:06] <quadrispro> until the end of July I'll be really, really, really, really [...] busy
[10:06] <dholbach> quadrispro: all the best!
[10:06] <quadrispro> I've planned to come to Berlin in August, but I don't know now
[10:07] <quadrispro> thank you
[10:07] <BlackZ> dholbach: fixed
[10:08] <dholbach> quadrispro: let me know when you're there - I might be gone for parts of August, but maybe we can meet for a beer or something
[10:08] <dholbach> BlackZ: I'm a bit busy now, but maybe I get a chance to have a look later on
[10:09] <dholbach> BlackZ: somebody else might be quicker :)
[10:09] <huats> morning
[10:09] <BlackZ> hey huats
[10:09] <huats> hello BlackZ
[10:10] <quadrispro> dholbach, yep, thanks!
[10:11] <DktrKranz> dholbach: it's not "Mafia", we consider ourselves "those @Roadhouse" (hi quadrispro!) ;)
[10:11] <warp10> dholbach: could you elaborate about your proposal? What should we speak about, in details?
[10:11] <quadrispro> ohhh! roadhouse...
[10:11] <dholbach> warp10: anything you'd like really - the audience will be developers, but I guess primarily new contributors who are interested in development
[10:12] <dholbach> warp10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Previous shows sessions we had before
[10:12] <dholbach> that might give you a few ideas
[10:12] <BlackZ> roadhouse lol
[10:12] <warp10> DktrKranz, gaspa: any idea?
[10:12] <gaspa> warp10: let's try, come on ;)
[10:12] <gaspa> ( nope, no idea :P )
[10:12] <dholbach> hey gaspa
[10:13] <dholbach> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training/Logs too
[10:13] <warp10> gaspa: sad, but I appreciate the enthusiasm! :P
[10:13] <gaspa>  hi dholbach ;)
[10:15] <quadrispro> ohh, too many italians here
[10:16] <gaspa> quadrispro: don't you appreciate ? ;)
[10:16] <quadrispro> gaspa, No, I don't definitely :D
[10:16] <warp10> quadrispro: come here between 16:00-18:00 today: you won't find any, I suppose :P
[10:18] <quadrispro> warp10, you're right: I'll be watching TV, hoping to see a goal of Slovakia
[10:18] <warp10> quadrispro: uh?
[10:20] <gaspa> dholbach: uh, why deleted: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1001/BeautifulCode ?
[10:20]  * gaspa was intereset :)
[10:20]  * warp10 believes quadrispro has a bad fever or some kind of strange pathology
[10:20] <gaspa> "interested"
[10:20] <dholbach> gaspa: rockstar couldn't make it
[10:21] <gaspa> ah, pity
[10:21] <dholbach> rockstar could probably give it this time!
[10:33] <gaspa> dholbach:  we (me and warp10) will sign for a slot, probably the last of one day... (20utc is quite suitable with family stuff)
[10:33] <gaspa> about the topic, we'll submit one asap, ok?
[10:33] <dholbach> gaspa: awesome - can you please block the slot you like already, so nobody else goes and takes it?
[10:34]  * warp10 nodsa
[10:34] <dholbach> thanks
[10:34]  * warp10 nods*
[10:34] <gaspa> :)
[10:34] <gaspa> dholbach: after launch-time. ;) have to check agenda and such.
[10:35] <dholbach> gaspa: alrightie
[10:37] <warp10> gaspa: do you have an agenda?
[10:38] <gaspa> warp10: yup, anna is my agenda ;)
[10:43] <warp10> gaspa: yeah, I imagined it :P
[10:46] <gaspa> dholbach: isn't there a harvest instance somewhere?
[10:47] <dholbach> gaspa: no, we're working on the new one and we'll get it deployed soon
[10:47] <dholbach> gaspa: http://code.launchpad.net/harvest
[10:47] <dholbach> gaspa: it's a rewrite that will make more fun to use and work on
[10:47] <gaspa> cool
[10:47] <gaspa> ETA?
[10:50] <dholbach> gaspa: I'm reviewing a big change by dylanmccall, a SoC student, then it'll be just "waiting on IS" :)
[10:50] <dholbach> gaspa: but you can check out lp:harvest and easily have a look at it already
[10:50] <dholbach> there's an INSTALL file that explains everything
[10:50] <gaspa> ok, thanks.
[12:00] <dholbach> tumbleweed, neversfelde, dobey: hey guys - you were among the last folks who got into ~ubuntu-dev - could you imagine giving a session at Ubuntu Developer Week about your experience or suggest a good topic or talk about anything related to development that'd interest new contributors? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep has the current list of topics and the preliminary schedule - we still have open slots :-D
[12:07] <tumbleweed> dholbach: sure, I'll give it some thought
[12:08]  * dholbach hugs tumbleweed
[12:08] <dholbach> tumbleweed: let me know which slot on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep would suit you and I can block it out
[12:09] <dholbach> tumbleweed: also if you want to give the session together with somebody else, that'd be cool too
[12:31] <tumbleweed> dholbach: lol
[12:34] <tumbleweed> dholbach: I don't have anyone in mind for combined session. Rhonda's dh suggestion is something I could do - otherwise my primary knowledge is python packaging
[12:40] <dholbach> tumbleweed: that sounds great to me
[12:46] <dholbach> tumbleweed: you rock, Rhonda: you guys could work with each other on that :)
[12:52] <Rhonda> I'm not sure if tumbleweed has an idea what I am longing for - I don't want to cover debhelper itself but rather look under the hood. :)
[12:53] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: how far under the hood?
[12:54] <shadeslayer> hehe ...
[12:54] <Rhonda> tumbleweed: as far as "dpkg --build debian/$PKG .."  ;)
[12:55] <Rhonda> tumbleweed: Like e.g. in http://git.deb.at/w/pkg/beep.git/blob/f17681:/debian/rules
[12:56] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: ok, in that case I did miss the aim of your suggestion
[12:56]  * Rhonda hides. :)
[12:58] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: it's a lot of ground to cover in an hour
[12:59] <Laney> I reckons that a "how to work with Debian" sesh could be good
[13:00] <Rhonda> Laney: I was asked to do it - by someone who considered me a MOTU. :)
[13:00] <Rhonda> tumbleweed: Sure. I'll see how far I can get.
[13:00] <Rhonda> tumbleweed: Actually I want to start off with "ar x foo.deb" and explain the three files you get from that. ;)
[13:00] <Laney> Rhonda: that's a good sign that you should become one :)
[13:00] <tumbleweed> oh, so you intend to do it? I thought from your suggestion that you wanted the talk but didn't want to give it
[13:01] <Laney> i'm going to steal a slot
[13:01] <Rhonda> No, dholbach asked me what I could help with and I throw that catch phrase at him. He just blindly copied it into the wiki, putting me in the action point. %-)
[13:01] <tumbleweed> right
[13:02] <Rhonda> Laney: Well, but that takes time, nothing doable in two week's time, including talk preperation. :)
[13:02] <Laney> I didn't mean that UDW was a deadline for it
[13:02] <Laney> you can talk about your experiences from the other side anyway :)
[13:03] <Laney> I booked it in... would be good to give it jointly with a DD ;)
[13:03] <dholbach> and if it doesn't work out for UDW, we can always do it for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training/ :-D
[13:04] <Rhonda> Might contain some critisism (me: "Please send patches you deem usable for Debian back." they: "Received bad feedback once, stopped doing that." me: "Not every DD is like that." they: "You can't know beforehand, and I'm annoyed." )
[13:05] <Rhonda> Laney: Not sure that might be so productive. :)
[13:05] <juli_> Hi everybody. I'm trying to create and install Maven POMs for the osgi framework (libequinox-osgi-java) according to http://wiki.debian.org/Java/MavenRepoHelper.
[13:05] <juli_> I've never done this before so need some review and help. Could someone take a look at debdiff I created for this package: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/598039
[13:06] <tumbleweed> juli_: there was a talk on that at a previous developer week: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1001/JavaLibs
[13:06] <Laney> bdrung: ^^^^^
[13:07] <Laney> juli_: Your diff isn't based on the latest Maverick version, and you spelled maverick wrong in the changelog
[13:07] <Laney> furthermore, since this package is in sync with Debian I suggest you send the change to the BTS rather than launchpad
[13:07] <nigelb> Laney: I was the person who asked Rhonda to talk about working with Debian, if you want to team up him or DktrKranz it would be great :)
[13:08] <juli_> Laney, thanks, I suppose guys from eclipse will change it anyway.. it is just a early draft to understand how to do this
[13:08] <nigelb> Laney: I also assumed Rhonda was MOTU - about time he became one right? ;)
[13:08] <Rhonda> nigelb: assuming a him, too? ;)
[13:08]  * Rhonda . o O ( I know it's complicated with me )
[13:09] <nigelb> Rhonda: oh, you're a she? sorry
[13:09] <Laney> a "here's how to make me a happy Debian maintainer" bit would be nice
[13:10] <Laney> if I do "what you need to install to forward patches easily"
[13:10] <Laney> (& how to do it)
[13:14] <nigelb> Laney: So, you're up for a session about Debian right? ;)
[13:14] <bdrung> Laney: we (the DOA team) track the launchpad bugs, too
[13:15] <Laney> nigelb: yes indeed
[13:15] <Laney> bdrung: I don't know what the DOA team is
[13:15] <Rhonda> Laney: I think I could do that part about "make me a happy Debian maintainer"
[13:15] <nigelb> Laney: orbital alignment team or something
[13:15] <nigelb> *something like that
[13:15] <bdrung> juli_: please come to #eclipse-linux or #debian-java (the second one is on OFTC) to discuss your patch - it should go upstream to eclipse-build
[13:16] <Rhonda> Laney: Just tell me how many lines you want to spare me so I can type it out beforehand and just c&paste with specific irssi delay settings. :P
[13:16] <nigelb> Rhonda: haha
[13:16] <juli_> bdrung, ok, thanks
[13:16] <Laney> haha
[13:17] <bdrung> Laney: Debian Orbital Alignment Team = eclipse team ;)
[13:17] <Rhonda> nigelb, Laney: hey, I wouldn't be good as sysadmin if I wouldn't be lazy in specific approaches to do work. :)
[13:17] <Laney> There might be an amount of question answering to do too ;)
[13:17] <Laney> but I'll keep you informed
[13:20] <Rhonda> Sure, questions are tricky to prepare. I don't have one of these James Bond tape recorders that rewinds itself to the appropriate position and can predict all upcoming questions.
[13:20] <RAOF> The Orbital Alignment Team would bee cooler if it _actually_ was in charge of our orbital headquaters :)
[14:33] <paultag> Hey MOTU. I'm having issues with upstrem packaging. It's saying it's native when it's not. I just posted to the debian-mentors ML and got a few responses. I am source 1, and I have been tweeking my working directory name, source tgz name, and changelog to all match for about 2 hours now. I'm doing something wrong. Any ideas?
[14:35] <shadeslayer> paultag: ok
[14:35] <shadeslayer> paultag: dir name can be package-version
[14:35] <shadeslayer> paultag: tarball has to be : package_version.tar.gz
[14:35] <paultag> shadeslayer: well I have a twist ( al-la M. Night )
[14:36] <paultag> shadeslayer: It's dfsg2-1 because of a license issue
[14:36] <shadeslayer> dfsg ?
[14:36] <Laney> repacked
[14:36] <paultag> shadeslayer: debian free software guidelines
[14:36] <Laney> do you have the orig.tar.gz in the right place?
[14:36] <shadeslayer> paultag: btw were you at linux tag?
[14:37] <Laney> ../blah_x+dfsg2.orig.tar.gz
[14:37] <paultag> Laney: I thought I did. I tried a few different ones, dfsg1, dfsg2, 2-1
[14:37] <paultag> shadeslayer: No, wish I was!
[14:37] <shadeslayer> paultag: ah ok :P
[14:37] <paultag> Laney: it still bombed on me, I'm pretty lost, I don't know much with dfsg repacking, but I was kinda forced to do it
[14:37] <Laney> please pastebin the output of "debuild -S"
[14:38] <paultag> One sec.
[14:38] <shadeslayer> paultag: btw youll need to add get-orig-source in your rules file
[14:38] <paultag> Laney: whoh, I'm getting an error message i've never seen before. Let me rtfm on this, I'll poke you when I feel good about it :)
[14:39] <Laney> there's usually something buried in that output about it becoming native
[14:39] <paultag> Laney: I was only using dpkg-buildpackage, so I might have missed it. One sec, I want to make sure I'm not doing something really bad here :)
[14:40] <paultag> Laney: OK. this is getting odd. Let me pastebin my session.
[14:41] <paultag> Laney: http://pastebin.com/Ad52pmyh
[14:41] <shadeslayer> Laney: is debian import freeze in effect?
[14:42] <shadeslayer> and is universe included in import freeze?
[14:42] <Laney> I don't know, but universe will be included ye
[14:42] <Laney> s
[14:42] <Laney> paultag: see, that's quite clear
[14:43] <Laney> you have to name your orig.tar.gz what it wants
[14:43] <paultag> Laney: look at the rest
[14:43] <paultag> Laney: I copied the name that it expected ( ctrl + c ) and did an ls on ../ on it
[14:43] <paultag> Laney: it's there and in the right format
[14:43] <Laney> no, it's in the wrong place
[14:43] <Laney> move it onel evel up
[14:43] <paultag> Laney: I ran that in the debian folder, that would be outside my vcs
[14:44] <paultag> Laney: is that how it should be?
[14:44] <Laney> the orig.tar.gz should be in the parent directory of the root of your packaging
[14:44] <Laney> ie debian/../..
[14:44] <paultag> Ahha!
[14:45] <paultag> Laney: thank you, let me do that :)
[14:49] <paultag> Laney: that did it! Thanks a ton :)
[14:50] <Laney> no probs boss
[15:22] <EricBa> Hello, is there a motu who has some time to review my package? It's already reviewed by one motu. My programm is a wallpaper changer for gnome. - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/cortina - It was already advocated by one reviewer.. so this won't take much time to review.
[15:32] <umang> EricBa, You don't need to write on #ubuntu-motu at the same time. If you package is included in Debian, it will be synced into Ubuntu as well.
[16:30] <micahg> dholbach: thanks for trying for the upload, idk why it fails, I thought that was patched, I'll look into the merge
[16:45] <dholbach> micahg: awesome - thanks
[16:47] <gastons> Is it possible to use optional dependencies in a control file?
[16:47] <gastons> Depends: openjdk-6-jre | sun-java6-jre
[16:51] <micahg> gastons: yes
[16:52] <gastons> Ok thanks. Is this documented anywhere? I looked at the debian policy manual and it just explains the different keywords.
[17:46] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: I see a lot of remaining merges in sponsors-queue, do you plan make it more less?
[18:32] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: I haven't joined the sponsors team yet
[18:33] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: but right now I'm just trying to keep my head above water, work-wise
[18:35] <geser> tumbleweed: you don't need to join the sponsors team to be able to sponsor (you just can't unsubscribe the sponsors team from bugs)
[18:35] <tumbleweed> geser: right, but I should join anyway. applies.
[18:58] <Quintasan> \o
[20:08]  * Rhonda . o O ( dejavu? EricBa asked again? )
[20:09] <Rhonda> Hmm, gastons left, otherwise I would have suggested policy 7.1 for a read. :)