[00:01] <hallyn> Kaffien: i've been using it (with xfs) ever since
[00:01] <hallyn> it was a brand new laptop drive
[00:02] <hallyn> and yes, i don't know what to make of it being the default everywhere.  it scares me tbh
[00:02] <hallyn> but then until btrfs is ready...  :)
[00:59] <owen1> aptitude search mysql shows me only 3 packages (using lucid). why?
[01:15] <lukehasnoname> you odn't have an updated package manifest?
[01:15] <lukehasnoname> I don't know owen1
[01:30] <owen1> lukehasnoname: sudo aptitude update solved it
[01:32] <alissa> i am installing Ubuntu (server edition) from a netboot image on a single-disk machine.  i want to know if i can wipe the entire disk during the install.  that is, does the installer boot up so that everything is in ram or is it still working off the disk?
[01:46] <alissa> ok, forget the previous question.  can i setup LVM at installation time *without* using the guided option (which uses the whole disk)?   i would like to preserve my boot partition and use LVM for the rest of the disk.
[01:57] <ChmEarl> alissa, the flexible way to install like that is to use debootstrap
[01:58] <ChmEarl> alissa, the ISO and netboot installer always force you to do certain things
[01:59] <ChmEarl> alissa, so take your disk out and piggyback it to another Ubuntu install and use debootstrap
[02:00] <alissa> chmearl: i am quite limited in what i can do because this is a remote server and i do not have direct physical access.
[02:00] <ChmEarl> alissa, you say 'preserve boot partition'. What OS is there now?
[02:00] <alissa> chmearl: if something goes very wrong, i can ask someone to physically access it, but i prefer not to.
[02:01] <alissa> chmearl: well, i am not talking about the MBR, but an actual partition on the drive (/boot).  i have grub2 installed with a couple Ubuntu versions installed.
[02:03] <alissa> chmearl: i have used the netboot installer over a serial console before.  so i know that works.  but now i want to setup LVM.
[02:04] <alissa> chmearl, i am not sure if the lvm tools are included in the netboot installer (i guess they are since it's the lucid version and the module is included in the kernel?).
[02:05] <ChmEarl> alissa, you need one partition /dev/sdb1, pvcreate, vgcreate, then lvcreate in mass
[02:05] <ChmEarl> actually /dev/sda2
[02:07] <alissa> chmearl: yeah, i think i understand what you're saying.  assuming /boot is on /dev/sdb1, then in the installer i drop to shell to wipe out the rest of the disk and create a /dev/sda2 partition.  then do the lvm *create steps?
[02:08] <ChmEarl> alissa, thats an expert scenario. I'm lost using a shell in the installers
[02:08] <alissa> but will the installer be able to reload the partition table so that later i can see lvm's logical volumes and specify them for the /home, /, etc. for the new installation?
[02:08] <ChmEarl> alissa, after running debootstrap, I do a chroot, then I have all the freedom I need
[02:09] <alissa> i am not so familiar with debootstrap, what is it exactly?
[02:10] <ChmEarl> alissa, you can do 99% of a new OS install, while running in your current setup
[02:11] <ChmEarl> alissa, many Ubuntu/Debian folks blog about it... thats how I learned to use it
[02:11] <alissa> ok, i will do some searching on it.  sounds like a useful tool.
[02:12] <ChmEarl> alissa, you can point debootstrap at an ISO or a net repo
[02:22] <JanC> alissa: I suppose you aren't really netbooting?
[02:29] <alissa> janc: you mean using a PXE boot?  no, i am not doing that.  the kernel and initrd.gz files are saved on my local disk.  i boot up from them.  that starts the installer and it downloads the packages i need from the internet.
[02:30] <JanC> right, because in case you could netboot it wouldn't be an issue to try if it works or not  ;)
[02:31]  * JanC loves hosting companies that provide PXE boot options...  :-)
[02:33] <JanC> oh, and debootstrap just copies a basic Debian/Ubuntu system into a directory (normally a mounted partition) so that if you chroot it after that, you can install & configure whatever you need
[02:35] <JanC> and once you think it's ready, you can use it as /
[02:35] <JanC> (of course, better make sure it works, or you have some backup boot option in case it doesn't)
[04:09] <ccheney> Daviey, got two bisections into 2.6.32 so far, hopefully will have the kernel patch identified tomorrow morning
[04:20] <clusty> hey
[04:20] <clusty> what is the easiest way to install ubuntu on a pc with no cdrom and winXP?
[04:21] <clusty> TFTP?
[04:21] <jmarsden> A usb stick, if the PC will boot from one?
[04:21] <clusty> or get some usb stick and install stuff on it
[04:21] <clusty> jmarsden: hmmm
[04:21] <clusty> wanted to buy http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883220006
[04:22] <clusty> some silent machine for a torrent box basically
[05:23] <yipdw> hi all -- trying to install couchdb in Ubuntu Server 10.04 32-bit, hitting a dependency cycle in x11-common: https://gist.github.com/4d9289cc97a935277640#file_gistfile1.txt
[05:24] <yipdw> anyone know what the cause of this might be?
[05:25] <yipdw> (also, if anyone knows why couchdb depends on x11-common via -- I think -- xulrunner, that'd be great.  as far as I know couchdb has no browser dependencies)
[07:10] <Callum__> Old drives are SO bitchy :>
[07:10] <Callum__> :<*
[07:11] <twb> yipdw: for libjs, I think
[07:12] <Callum__> this 2x 80GB SATA RAID array isn't co-operating with me... the failed drive annoys the operating system to hell since it can still be detected and causes I/O errors while trying to back up the data on the array
[07:12] <Callum__> so I've had to shut down the system for a while to disconnect the drive and now I'm backing up the data without any problems so far...
[07:13] <Callum__> of course I back up the data on this thing regularly but since I've copied some rather important stuff to it today and then the drive failed after that and it hasn't backed up automatically of course
[07:14] <Callum__> this is a timely death, actually... I have two much newer 160GB drives I've wanted to replace the two 80GB drives with for a couple of days and I've finally found the time to replace the two 80GB drives...
[07:15] <Callum__> so instead of standard back up I am dd'ing the good drive's data and am going to dd it onto the brand new 160GB
[07:15] <Callum__> array
[07:15] <Callum__> and THEN back up essential data
[07:16] <Callum__> the things you do for not having any money :< if I had the money I would replace all this with brand new 1TB drives
[07:19] <yipdw> twb: yeah, I found out it was for spidermonkey
[07:19] <yipdw> twb: seems like I'm not the first to complain about couchdb dragging in X, so I guess packagers are working on this
[07:20] <twb> x11-common is not X
[07:20] <yipdw> well, ok, couchdb dragging in support libraries for X
[07:20] <twb> Installed-Size: 568
[07:21] <twb> x11-common is not a support library, either.
[07:21] <yipdw> I thought it was filesystem infrastructure
[07:21] <yipdw> I mean, either way
[07:21] <twb> It's a bunch of trivial files such as the symlink /usr/bin/X11 -> .
[07:21] <yipdw> couchdb in no way depends on anything X
[07:22] <twb> If you think it's worth anyone's time to save 600 bytes, file a bug report on launchpad
[07:22] <yipdw> it's not so much about saving 600 bytes as it is trying to remove that dependency error
[07:23] <yipdw> which occurs on a freshly-updated 10.04 instance
[07:23] <yipdw> and yes, several bug reports have been filed about this
[07:34] <willemb> Hiya
[07:34] <willemb> Can someone tell me more about what this landscape thing does on a technical level?
[07:40] <twb> willemb: it's basically a closed-source Canonical-run version of puppet.
[07:48] <cjs> So what do I need to do to convince the 10.04 installer to wipe out any thought of any sort of previous RAID partitioning that had been on a disk, and just start afresh?
[07:49] <cjs> It seems somehow to keep bringing back my old raid configs.
[07:49] <cjs> Hmmm. Maybe mdadm....
[07:57] <twb> cjs: write zeroes to the disks
[07:58] <cjs> I tried that, at least to the first 4GB of the (500GB) disks.
[07:58] <cjs> It seems as if the installer is still discovering an md on boot.
[07:59] <cjs> I'm guessing that there's a spare md configuration block later on in the disk that it's finding?
[07:59] <twb> md writes to the end of the partition, IIRC
[07:59] <cjs> Ah, so if I just do the last gig or so as well, that should do it? Now I see.
[08:01] <cjs> Maybe I should just write zeros to the whole thing, to be safe. My second install did seem to work, until I tried to boot, and it suddenly couldn't find the root. Turned out that somehow lvm had mounted volumes with the names of the previous install.
[08:04] <willemb> twb:  Thanks.  I guess you can only manage ubuntu machines with it.
[08:04] <twb> willemb: someone could port the landscape client (which *is* open) to another distro...
[08:06] <angelete2> i've instaled 10.04 server. during instalation process i set up my raid and lvm volumes, but i've tried to change them manually later on. but any time i boot my manual config is overriden with the installation one.where is this config stored in order to erase it?
[08:09] <cjs> What do you mean, "overridden"?
[08:11] <cjs> And what did you try to change, and how did you do so?
[08:11] <angelete2> by default it created a raid1 on /dev/md_d0
[08:11] <angelete2> i stopped it and created minen on /dev/md0
[08:11] <cjs> Often, this is due to changing stuff under /etc and so on, but not updating the initramfs(es) on the boot partition.
[08:12] <angelete2> but when i boot agan, /dev/md0 is not present but /dev/md_d0
[08:12] <angelete2> how do i do this?
[08:12] <cjs> "minen"? What's that?
[08:12] <angelete2> s/minen/mine/
[08:12] <angelete2> s/agan/again/ sory
[08:12] <angelete2> sorryç
[08:14] <cjs> Oof. So what partitions was the RAID1 created upon? (It must have been something like, e.g., /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1.)
[08:15] <angelete2> they are /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdc1, they both exist and have the correct partition type
[08:15] <soren> kirkland: I considered that for about half a second and then rejected the idea. If it finds the block devices, it should be able to find the partitions.
[08:15] <cjs> And this isn't your root or anything, right? Your system runs fine, but just won't mount these extra data partitions?
[08:16] <soren> kirkland: ..so I'm /very/ curious what exactly makes the difference. Very odd.
[08:16] <cjs> I think you probably want to do "mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdb1" and the same for sdc1. Then re-create your raid.
[08:16] <angelete2> i've already done it with same result
[08:16] <angelete2> but, i'll do it now
[08:17] <angelete2> done
[08:17] <cjs> angelete2, well, if it's any comfort, I've given up trying to recover mine in any way but to dd zeros across the entire disks from beginning to end, and then re-installing.
[08:18] <angelete2> now mdadm --create -level=1 -n 2 /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1
[08:18] <cjs> mds seem to have a tendency to come back even if you wipe the partition table and the first parts of all of the partitions on the disks.
[08:30] <evident> hi everybody. I am about to install daemontools on my server but having problems building the package: http://pastebin.org/355939 Can anybody help me and tell me why it isn't working? I didn't find out which packages are necessary to build/run it...
[08:44] <evident> anybody an idea?
[08:45] <angelete2> evident: does the package have any configure file?
[08:45] <soren> evident: Why don't you just install the package?
[08:47] <evident> well didn't I just install it? I just went by the guide on the daemontools website itself...
[08:47] <evident> download, gunzip, tar and package/install
[08:48] <evident> there isn't a configuration file or at least I don't find one
[08:48] <evident> http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/install.html
[08:48] <soren> evident: No, no. sudo apt-get install daemontools
[08:48] <soren> Done.
[08:48]  * ttx refrains from making a pun on evidence.
[08:49] <soren> :)
[08:49] <evident> i can't because the daemontools arent available in apt-get
[08:49] <soren> What makes you say that?
[08:49] <soren> Which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[08:50] <evident> 8.04LTS
[08:50] <soren> Ah.
[08:50] <evident> :D
[08:50] <soren> daemontools have been packaged since Jaunty (9.04).
[08:50] <twb> 17:11 <angelete2> by default it created a raid1 on /dev/md_d0
[08:50] <evident> ahh ok
[08:50] <twb> This is because 10.04 is Too Clever
[08:51] <twb> Now that you can have partitions within md devices, mdadm --assemble --scan thinks it should assemble the entire disk as a RAID1, and I don't yet know how to stop it.
[08:52] <evident> if you're on a 9.04 or 10.04 server could you maybe tell me whether there are prerequisites for daemontools?
[08:52] <twb> Is daemontools basically just start-top-daemon?
[08:52] <twb> Oh, and some of upstart
[08:53] <twb> evident: why are you trying to use daemontools?
[08:53] <evident> service management through the supervise program is my goal...
[08:53] <evident> (automatic restart if some service has crashed and so on)
[08:53] <twb> evident: why don't you use upstart for that?
[08:55] <ttx> evident: the 10.04 package doesn't have any build-depends
[08:55] <evident> never heard of upstart... :D I just know inittab and init.d and I was told supervise would be best for things like that...
[08:55] <evident> http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/faq/create.html#why
[08:55] <twb> evident: upstart is the init system that 8.04 and 10.04 ship ALREADY, and it has the functionality you're asking for BUILT IN.
[08:55] <ttx> evident: you can have a look at the lucid source package at: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/daemontools/lucid/files
[08:56] <twb> I wouldn't recommend ANYTHING written by djb if there was a sane alternative.
[08:56] <evident> hmmm...
[09:04] <angelete2> twb, i've completly remove the default md_d0 array
[09:04] <angelete2> i created min
[09:04] <angelete2> mine
[09:04] <angelete2> i have updated initramfs
[09:04] <angelete2> but md_d0 reappears!
[09:04] <twb> I realize that.
[09:04] <angelete2> twb: 10.04 is NOT too smart
[09:05] <angelete2> md_d0 : inactive sdc1[1](S)
[09:06] <angelete2> how do i set my system not to use md_d0???
[09:06] <angelete2> i want my raid as i configure manually!
[09:06] <twb> 17:51 <twb> [...] I don't yet know how to stop it.
[09:08] <trapmax> angelete2: have you tested that there are no md superblocks on your drives before creating md-devices
[09:09] <angelete2> how do i test it?
[09:09] <angelete2> after recreating my  array
[09:09] <trapmax> mdadm --misc --help
[09:09] <angelete2> i erase my partitions, and create new ones (writing discs after erasing them)
[09:09] <trapmax> you also have to remove md-blocks
[09:10] <trapmax> i had the same thing a while ago
[09:10] <angelete2> No md superblock detected on /dev/md_d0.
[09:11] <trapmax> try /dev/sda1 etc
[09:12] <twb> All I know is that with new, blank HDDs, in partman I created two partitions on each disk, then assembled each pair into RAID1 arrays, and when I booted the system, it assembled the entire disk as md1 and tried to assemble md0 as a degraded array containing only /dev/md1p1
[09:13] <angelete2> trapmax: on both /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdc1 mdadm -E displays some info, i'm gonna do --zero-superblock on them
[09:13] <angelete2> and stop md_d0 and recreate md0 on my own
[09:13] <twb> Actually, I lie; one disk was entirely blank, the other had a SCO 5 install in the first 1.2 GiB.
[09:32] <Psi-Jack> Does anyone know if lsb-init scripts all start before upstart, or at the same time, or what?
[09:32] <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to get an upstart script to start before apache2 does because it initiates a glusterfs mount apache needs.
[09:35] <corpse> i just got a new router today, i have gotten most of my services working again except my ssh. when i try to log in via putty i get "server unexectedly closed the connection" and when i try to restart ssh i get "ssh: connect to host restart port 22: connection timed out"
[09:53] <trapmax> Psi-Jack: just configured my tomcat init-scripts to start after database. it was fairly easy with "update-rc.d <init-script> defaults 22"
[09:54] <trapmax> and my postgresql has "defaults 20"
[09:54] <Psi-Jack> So, basically, you used the upstart-job wrapper script to make sure it started?
[09:56] <trapmax> possibly. not familiar with consept upstart....
[10:07] <skoef> guys, i've update my kvm-host, and now my kvm-client suddenly has apt-get issues
[10:07] <skoef> in fact: my kvm-client has all sorts of network issues, and apt-get update segfaults
[10:07] <skoef> also, the client complains about: kernel: [40713.005075] no vm86_info: BAD
[10:07] <skoef> this problem emerged since i dist-upgraded the kvm-host last night
[10:08] <skoef> google hints in the direction of an issue with virtio
[10:08] <skoef> but i can't find a conclusive answer
[10:09] <huats> morning
[11:00] <ttx> Everyone: if you spot some abusive package dependency that end up installing loads of crap on a server, please file it against the Server papercuts project at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts
[12:43] <Danawar1>  Hello Ubuntu Server where is the best place for me to store my websites for apache as the default site is in /usr/share/apache2/ should i store them there?
[12:46] <Danawar1> In fact ther are two default websites there is one in /usr/share and one in /var/www which one is the real site?
[12:48] <ElTonerino> I'd go with /var/www
[12:48] <Danawar1> ok
[12:48] <Danawar1> Thanks ill change that and see what happends
[12:48] <trapmax> Danawar1: look for "DocumentRoot" in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default. /var/www is the default setting
[12:49] <Danawar1> ok
[12:50] <Danawar1> Further down in that file it also talks about the file in use share
[12:50] <Danawar1> usr*
[12:51] <Danawar1> Alias /doc/ "/usr/share/doc/"
[12:51] <Danawar1>     <Directory "/usr/share/doc/">
[12:51] <Danawar1> Not quite sure what that means? = [
[12:52] <Daviey> smoser: Can you grab me when you come online please :)
[12:53] <ttx> Daviey: grze seems to imply compiling/running with GWT 1.6.4 might work ? Did you try that ?
[12:53] <trapmax> Danawar1: id defines an alias /doc/ to your apache server eg. http://your.domain/doc/
[12:53] <Daviey> ttx: Oh certainly.. i wouldn't be raising the issue if it worked.. i'm composing a reply.
[12:54] <Daviey> ttx: The other solution is to remove the support which requires >1.6.4
[12:55] <Daviey> ttx: The way i found it was a FTBFS for euca', looked at the reason why.. opened the GWT jar, and found that it was trying to import classes which didn't exist.. Checked upstream GWT to see them there.
[12:55] <Daviey> Which mean't that i was pretty confident they were using a newer version
[12:55] <Danawar1> Ok trapmax thanks for your help!
[12:55] <trapmax> Danawar1: then it, i think on default settings, denies access to that directory from all other addressess except 127.0.0.0/8
[12:55] <Daviey> ttx: Considering grze seems to think they haven't used incompatiable stuff... why on earth are they developing against 2.0.*?!
[12:56] <Danawar1> Ohh i dont understand that yet =[
[12:56] <ttx> Daviey: that's a rhetorical question ?
[12:56] <Daviey> ttx: no, a serious one. :)
[12:57] <ttx> I can't answer that :)
[12:57] <Daviey> ttx: Oh :)
[12:57] <Daviey> ttx: Perhaps you took your eye off the "ball"? :P
[12:58] <ttx> Daviey: lowkick, 10yards penalty
[12:58] <Daviey> ttx: heh, sorry :).. I haven't seen it yet.
[12:58] <ttx> heh
[13:00] <xperia> hello to all. i have inserted new hard disks in to the free slots of the raid array in to my Computer and also added them to the existing ext4 raid array. In the BIOS Config this new disks are also a part of the exisiting array but when i boot into ubuntu i allways have the old disk size and disk usage. I dont see any new Disk Space. Sombody told me that i need to change the Partiton table...
[13:00] <xperia> ...and such things. Is this right ?
[13:01] <xperia> need rally help with this problem
[13:02] <Daviey> xperia: Using mdad soft RAID?
[13:03] <Daviey> xperia: fake raid, or hardware raid?
[13:03] <RoyK> Daviey: what is "fake" raid?
[13:03] <RoyK> and what is "hardware" raid?
[13:03] <Daviey> RoyK: bios raid.
[13:03] <LinusU> Hi! I'm having a very strange problem with apache2 on Ubuntu 10.04 and was hoping to get some help. The problem is my RewriteRules wich works correctly if put in a .htaccess file, but that does not work when I put them in a <VirtualServer>. Plz help :)
[13:03] <xperia> Daviey: thanks for the reply. i am using hardware raid. it is the HP Proliant 530M G2 Raid Array 5300
[13:03] <RoyK> Daviey: we just use zfs :D
[13:03] <Daviey> RoyK: Hardware raid is when it's a dedicated RAID controller, and not done using the main CPU.
[13:03] <RoyK> way better
[13:04] <Daviey> RoyK: apples vs oranges.
[13:04] <RoyK> Daviey: I know, just teasing, because it's still software doing it, but on a dedicated cpu
[13:04] <Daviey> RoyK: If you know, why are you asking? :S
[13:04] <RoyK> Daviey: no way - read this first, then tell me hw raid is so good... http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/download/Community+Group+zfs/docs/zfslast.pdf
[13:05] <Daviey> xperia: okay.. if it were me, i'd recommend booting the server using a desktop livecd, and using "gparted"
[13:05] <xperia> it is just strange that i dont see the additional free space from the new disks with "fdisk -l" and so on. had expected to see at least this way the new space in "/dev/cciss/c0d0p1"
[13:06] <Daviey> RoyK: thanks.  I'll add that to my todo.. but until then zfs isn't a recommended solution for Ubuntu server.
[13:06] <Daviey> xperia: I would have expected that also.. will be interesting to see what gparted thinks of it.
[13:07] <Daviey> xperia: I have a distaste for HP Raid :(
[13:07] <xperia> Daviey: have booted the Server also with Live CD and started Gparted but i dont see also there any new space. its show me the same old size and disk usage as before i have inserted any new harddisk. Hav ejust opened Gparted and checked it again.
[13:08] <xperia> Daviey: it looks really that hardware controller are a pain on the other side i just did not want to waste cpu for this thing
[13:09] <Daviey> xperia: hmm.. What RAID style are you using?
[13:09] <Daviey> xperia: I agree.. this RAID is better than bios raid.
[13:10] <xperia> as i have a fast hardware controller that can do this normally really good. My Raid Controller is "HP Proliant Raid Array 5300" for the "HP Proliant 530M G2" server
[13:11] <RoyK> Daviey: I know...
[13:11] <xperia> Daviey: here it is http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantstorage/arraycontrollers/smartarray5300/index.html
[13:12] <xperia> true name "smart array 5300"
[13:12] <RoyK> xperia: those controllers are decent
[13:13] <RoyK> xperia: ah - your old partition table holds the old geometry
[13:13] <RoyK> you should see a larger drive for the raid volume in /proc/partitions
[13:13] <RoyK> check that first
[13:13] <xperia> RoyK: yes others have told me this too. it looks like i have to do something with the partition table
[13:14] <xperia> you are allready the second one who told me that now. will check that now with the /proc/partitions
[13:16] <xperia> RoyK: okay have checked /proc/partitions and it show the same numbers as allways. no bigger disk space or anything like that. old partition size with also same swap partition
[13:17] <ElTonerino> LinusU, I take it you have "RewriteEngine On" in your <VirtualServer> bit?
[13:18] <LinusU> Yes I have; just got help in the #httpd channel and the problem was that in <VirtualHost> the pattern should start with / but it shouldn't start with / in .htaccess
[13:19] <ElTonerino> ok, good to hear you got it sorted.
[13:19] <Daviey> xperia: Sorry, i was trying to find out what the RAID schema is.. is it RAID-1, RAID-5 etc?  I'm wondering if that new disk is actually a mirror, or a hot spare
[13:20] <xperia> Daviey: thanks again for your reply. i have the existing array as raid 1 configured
[13:20] <Daviey> xperia: How many disks did you have before, and how many do you have now?
[13:20] <xperia> at the time before i have ubuntu installed.
[13:20] <Daviey> xperia: What size were they, and what are they now :)
[13:21] <LinusU> ElTonerino: Thanks!
[13:21] <xperia> Daviey: before i had 5 disks with a space of total 42GB now i have total 10 Disks
[13:22] <Daviey> xperia: In RAID 1?  Using LVM?
[13:24] <xperia> well i have one partition ext4(42GB) and i extended partition that holds the swap Partition with 1 GB
[13:24] <xperia> LVM i think i dont use
[13:24] <Daviey> xperia: Hmm... can you double check you are using RAID1?
[13:25] <xperia> well okay let me reboot and go to the raid config tool
[13:26] <Daviey> xperia: cool, thanks
[13:29] <sommer> morning everyone
[13:30] <xperia> Daviey: the bios say "One Logical Drive, Raid 0, 42GB". booting now with the Server Service CD in to the server Raid Config Tool called "Smart Start
[13:31] <xperia> the bios should show much more disk space than 42 GB. this 42GB are the old Size
[13:32] <Daviey> ahh RAID 0
[13:33] <Daviey> xperia: RAID 0 isn't generally recommend if you want redundancy
[13:33] <jpds> It doesn't do redundancy.
[13:33] <Daviey> exactly :)
[13:35] <xperia> Okay i am now in the "HP ACU (Array Configuration Utility" it show me for the Smart Array 5300 in Slot 1 -> Parallel Scasi Array 1 ->  Logical Drive 1 42.4GB Raid 0, Unused Space 42.4GB
[13:36] <xperia> ahhh have clicked now oon the logical array and got a window where i can extend the size :-)
[13:36] <Daviey> \o/
[13:36] <Daviey> xperia: But take note, if a disk breaks.. you get to keep all the broken bits with RAID 0
[13:37] <bogeyd6> raid 0 always comes back to bite you
[13:37] <xperia> i am a very newbee related to raid. want only to have maximal space
[13:37] <xperia> thinked raid 0 is best for that but i still get only 50% of the disk space
[13:38] <xperia> the backup i do to a external disk
[13:39] <bogeyd6> you were warned :x
[13:39] <xperia> can configure the existing array as follow "Raid 0, Raid 1+0, Raid 5, Raid 6 (ADG)" Stripe Size atm 128 KB
[13:40] <xperia> what is best if i may ask. need a lot of disk space and ofcourse security
[13:40] <jpds> xperia: RAID 5.
[13:40] <bogeyd6> I cn say that in certain applications it doesnt matter. Where speed is the only concern raid 0 is hands down the best. We used to have a huge database farm with over 500 racks of servers. We had two servers that kept transaction logs running 15k disks in raid 0 with 2gb raid memory
[13:42] <jpds> xperia: I suggest reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
[13:42] <xperia> okay see that raid 0 is best as long not some of the disks crash. what i just dont understand is why i dont have the maximal disk space with raid 0. if i am not wrong raid 0 is just stripping
[13:44] <RoyK> striping, yes
[13:45] <bogeyd6> xperia, realistically you probably gonna see like 90% of the disk space with the overhead and all that
[13:45] <xperia> okay will stick at the moment with raid 0 but it looks heavy dangerous if something goes wrong
[13:45] <pnunn> plus only 90% of the smallest disk if there not the same size.
[13:45] <RoyK> bogeyd6: 10% overhead with raid0?????
[13:45] <RoyK> bogeyd6: the partition table and the filesystem metadata doesn't take much
[13:45] <bogeyd6> RoyK, dont make me slap you
[13:46] <RoyK> bogeyd6: so with a 1TB drive, you can only use 900 gigs for data? if so, you have chosen a very bad filesystem, written in QBASIC or something
[13:47] <bogeyd6> ./ignore royk
[13:47] <bogeyd6> woops, there we go
[13:47] <bogeyd6> no wait i take that back royk
[13:48] <xperia> pnunn: that looks like it is the problem. i have three of 10 Disk that are only 9 GB.
[13:48] <bogeyd6> i think with your boot partition, your swap, your overhead, and etc on his small disks i think that if you had 200 and you see 180 you are doing good
[13:49] <xperia> so if i have say 10 Disk 7 of them are all 100GB and the rest only 3x10GB the total size will be probably then be 10 Disks a 9 GB ?
[13:49] <RoyK> well, anyone, don't listen to bogeyd6 on this - what he probably means (or was supposed to mean if he knew it) is that if you get a 1TB drive, that 1TB drive is 1,000,000,000,000 bytes, whereas the OS thinks 1TB is 1TiB or 1,099,511,627,776 bytes, so that 1TB harddrive is reported to be something like 900GiB
[13:50] <profix> hi
[13:50] <pnunn> Thats right xperia... all raid stuff works better with disk the same size (same disks infact)
[13:50] <bogeyd6> RoyK, thanks for proving me right :)
[13:50] <profix> can anyone says to me how can I start/stop/restart apache2 by another user (neither my user nor www-data) ? Thanks
[13:51] <RoyK> bogeyd6: not proving you right, sir
[13:51] <pnunn> profix.. you need root or su.
[13:51] <RoyK> bogeyd6: you said there was overhead eating 10% - there isn't
[13:51] <pnunn> sorry.. sudo
[13:51] <bogeyd6> RoyK, you just said 1tb = 900gb
[13:51] <RoyK> bogeyd6: next time, you can use my explaination instead of babbling about overhead
[13:52] <profix> I cant add this user on www-data group ?!?
[13:52] <bogeyd6> RoyK, naw, i got people like you to do my heavy lifting
[13:52] <RoyK> no, I said 1TB is like 900GiB or 1,1TB is like 1TiB
[13:52] <Daviey> RoyK: You may not realise this, but you are appearing to be somewhat rude.
[13:52] <xperia> pnunn: thanks a lot. will look then to buy disk with same size next time. very good tip from you. learned again something new
[13:52] <RoyK> Daviey: you might not realize this, but mr bogeyd6 here is not very polite either
[13:52] <pnunn> welcome xperia... as I said.. best to use exactly the same disks.
[13:52] <profix> pnunn: I cant add this user on www-data group ?!?
[13:53] <RoyK> Daviey: when I just explained his mistake, he keeps on going that he was right in the first place
[13:53] <pnunn> not following you profix..
[13:53] <bogeyd6> Daviey, dont feed the trolls
[13:53] <pnunn> though you were after a different user? not you or www-data
[13:53] <profix> pnunn: I don't understand...
[13:53] <Daviey> RoyK: I am asking you to stop it please.
[13:54] <pnunn> profix, best way to stop services (only way in most cases) is as root.. either sudo or su.
[13:54] <RoyK> Daviey: please - I'm not the one trolling - I'm pointing out facts, where bogeyd6 is telling people stuff that's not true. there is no 10% overhead in ext3
[13:54] <profix> but if I write sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop by another user I can't stop it...
[13:55] <bogeyd6> pnunn, also if they are rhel veterans, then can install the service command
[13:55] <profix> it says to me:  Stopping web server apache2                                                  apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName                                                                          [ OK ]
[13:55] <pnunn> profix, then you have an odd config somewhere.. root is god... you might need to kill it <sudo pkill apache2>
[13:56] <bogeyd6> profix, thats normal on a base install
[13:56] <pnunn> profix, that is stopped correctly.. the error isn't relivant to stopping the service.
[13:56] <bogeyd6> profix, you can add servername to the config and fix that
[13:56] <pnunn> [OK] is the clue.
[13:57] <profix> bogeyd6: how can I fix this error ?
[13:57] <pnunn> profix,, its not an error, just a warning.
[13:57] <bogeyd6> profix, sudo nano /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[13:58] <profix> it isn't stopped...I can view the example page under localhost:80
[13:58] <pnunn> profix, you probably have many instances running.. <ps -A> will show you.
[13:58] <profix> pnunn: yes, but the service is runnig...
[13:58] <profix> pnunn: it's not stopped...
[13:58] <pnunn> you need to kill them.
[13:58] <pnunn> pkill apache2
[13:58] <pnunn> or killall apache2
[13:59] <bogeyd6> profix, put ServerName blah.blah.blah   in the bottom of that file, save it, sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[13:59] <xperia> Daviey: RoyK: thank you both a lot. have rebooted ubuntu now and checked /proc/partitions. it show now all the new disk space. need now only to extend the existing parttition so it use all the new disk space
[13:59] <Daviey> xperia: Great!
[13:59] <profix> pnunn: Operation not permitted when I kill
[14:00] <xperia> that is now the critical part but i guess the best is when i reboot the server with the live cd and use gparted. yeah will do that
[14:00] <bogeyd6> profix, if you care enough check out http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#servername
[14:00] <RoyK> xperia: make sure you have a backup before changing the partition table
[14:03] <smoser> Daviey, here now.
[14:29] <xperia> RoyK: thanks works now all right. you are all great here. awesome people ! learned a lot today about raid stuff. love you all
[14:29] <xperia> have now my new disk space and can work again
[14:42] <Danawar1> Hey Ubuntu server i have a website 92.18.14.133 on my computer with firefox it is all centered but if i open the same site in internet explorer or my windows machine it is all left justified how can i fix this?
[14:44] <smoser> Daviey,
[14:44] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/454455/
[14:44] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/454457/
[14:44] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/454459/
[14:44] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/454460/
[14:45]  * Pici thinks about flooding with pastebin links
[14:45] <Pici> ;)
[14:45] <smoser> it is interesting isn't it
[14:45] <smoser> :)
[14:45] <smoser> i should have pastebinned a list of those links
[15:06] <Danawar1> ls
[15:08] <ccheney> Daviey, er how do i know for sure that the image registered properly?
[15:08] <ccheney> Daviey, i looked deeper at the log file and on the times it did not complain about the pad block corrupted error it had a different error message
[15:09]  * ccheney isn't sure if that is also bad or if it worked around the issue
[15:10] <ttx> ccheney: you'd have to use it
[15:11] <ttx> to confirm that it's "really" registered
[15:11] <ttx> i.e. run aninstance from it
[15:12] <ccheney> ttx ok
[15:12]  * ccheney will do that with this sort of good image, heh
[15:16] <ccheney> ttx, is this what it normally shows? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/454473/
[15:16]  * ttx checks with his deep UEC log expertise
[15:18] <ccheney> i have my NC broken somehow so can't easily test to see if an instance will run
[15:19] <ttx> ccheney: I's have to run a lucid UEC to compare
[15:19] <ccheney> at least not without doing a reinstall, had this happen before and euca_conf won't add it back :-\
[15:19] <ccheney> oh ok, nm
[15:19] <ttx> ideally you should try to run an instance from it -- that's the only way to confirm it's really done
[15:21]  * ccheney sees if he can make his nc work without a reinstall
[15:23]  * ccheney wonders if his nc is having problems as the lock lights are all lit and one is blinking
[15:30]  * ccheney wonders if he can just blow away the nc and have it work, hopefully the cc isn't the one that is broken
[15:37] <ccheney> would be nice if eucalyptus would realize the images weren't registered properly in the first place, heh
[15:38]  * ccheney taking a few min break while his NC reinstalls so he can test the lack of error means success theory ;-)
[15:42] <hggdh> yo Daviey, thank you for the fast packaging
[15:42] <hggdh> I am testing it right now
[15:54] <ccheney> ARGH!
[15:54] <ccheney> stupid cc still doesn't see a nc once i reinstalled it
[15:55] <ccheney> Daviey, is maverick current in a usable state other than the kernel?
[15:56] <ccheney> Daviey, i was wondering if i should try reinstalling alpha 1 or use the current daily
[15:56] <ccheney> Daviey, since i have to reinstall anyway
[15:56] <Daviey> ccheney: Hmm. either way tbh
[15:56] <ccheney> i know when i tried before daily was broken due to the groovy issue (i think) i assume that is resolved now?
[15:56] <Daviey> ccheney: But yes, current will work- if you tackle the kernel
[15:57] <Daviey> ccheney: ah, dammit
[15:57] <Daviey> that will be fixed by the end of the day.. it was waiting on a 1.7 upload
[15:57] <Daviey> but 1.7 will be delayed.
[15:57] <Daviey> so i'm pushing a seperate one later today with just the groovy fix
[15:57] <ccheney> oh no problem will just reinstall a1 to be sure it works, i need to run an instance to see if this kernel i am testing is good or broken differentl
[15:57] <Daviey> (but you know it's just a symlink away!)
[15:59] <ccheney> Daviey, yea for whatever reason it still didn't seem to work well for me after doing that
[15:59] <Daviey> ccheney: Really?!
[15:59] <ccheney> Daviey, and i don't want to debug two problems at the same time :)
[15:59] <Daviey> What happend?
[15:59] <ccheney> Daviey, iirc i had this same stupid nc disappearing issue
[15:59] <Daviey> ccheney: Agreed.. but that fixed it for me.. so i need to know if there is another issue
[15:59] <ccheney> which started happening to me on a1 as well
[15:59] <Daviey> bah
[16:00] <ccheney> hopefully its not another issue, i will try to replicate once i finish the kernel issue
[16:00] <Daviey> ccheney: sounds good!.. keep up the awesome
[16:00] <ccheney> thanks :)
[16:00]  * ccheney needs a clone for the old OOo stuff
[16:01] <Daviey> :(
[16:02] <ccheney> i think a lot of the sru bugs are fixed by the new ooo-build for openoffice.org, so hopefully i will just need to write up the reports and get them to take the new 3.2.1 version for it
[16:06] <fishcooker> anyone on jeos_10.4
[16:08] <fishcooker> jeos 8.04 on the end life ..
[16:15] <Shinhan> I cant start dnsmasq. It exits with "failed to bind DHCP server socket: Address already in use". When googling I noticed I should run netstat -ap and look for other dhcp services, but I notice nothing with "dhc" in its name, only named, samba, winbindd, stuff like that
[16:16] <Shinhan> do I need some special options to make dnsmasq work with samba or is something else problem? and how can I find it?
[16:22] <Shinhan> if this is not the right place to ask this can someone at least tell me where I can ask it and hope for the answer?
[16:25] <RoyK> fishcooker: last I checked, jeos 10.04 wasn't out yet
[16:25] <ccheney> Shinhan, forum
[16:25] <Shinhan> no answers in 5 hours :(
[16:25] <Shinhan> btw, when I want to add something on the forums, and there are no replies, is it better to edit my message or double post?
[16:25] <Shinhan> (after 5 hours)
[16:26] <ccheney> Shinhan, lsof -i might help
[16:26] <RoyK> any idea when 10.04 LTS is released for upgrade?
[16:26] <ccheney> Shinhan, but i don't know anything about dnsmasq setup
[16:26] <fishcooker> thankyou royk for the quick reply
[16:26] <ccheney> RoyK, 10.04.1 i think
[16:27] <RoyK> do-release-upgrade on 8.04 doesn't want to upgrade anything
[16:27] <RoyK> ccheney: ok, any idea when that is scheduled?
[16:27] <fishcooker> i've got the 10.4 repo on my hardisk
[16:27] <ccheney> RoyK, jul 29
[16:27] <fishcooker> apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:27] <fishcooker> run flawlessly
[16:27] <RoyK> ccheney: thanks
[16:27] <Shinhan> lsof -i doesnt show anything. OK, I'll post on the forums and hope for the answer, thanks
[16:27] <RoyK> fishcooker: I guess jeos 10.04 will be out around 10.04.1 time, then
[16:28] <ccheney> Shinhan, oh also make sure you run that as root or via sudo
[16:29] <ccheney> Shinhan, otherwise you will only see ports your user has open
[16:29] <Shinhan> lol, that was it. I see something now
[16:29] <Shinhan> samba, named, apache2, rpc.statd and portmap
[16:30] <ccheney> Shinhan, you are trying to start dnsmasq as root too, right?
[16:30] <Shinhan> yea
[16:30] <ccheney> ok, not sure what the problem would be then
[16:30] <Shinhan> sudo /etc/init.d/dnsmasq start
[16:31] <ccheney> er looking closer it says failed to bind _DHCP_ server socket that seems wrong somehow
[16:31] <Shinhan> I had DHCP server and client installed before installing dnsmasq, but I have since removed them
[16:31] <ccheney> maybe its trying to communicate to a non-existent dhcp server/client on the box, might need to check its config setup
[16:32] <Shinhan> dnsmasq has DHCP integrated, he should be doing it himself
[16:34] <ccheney> ah ok, yea i have no idea what it is doing :)
[16:35] <Matterco> I need a little help, I cannot get apache2 to start, looks like I have two instances of apache running.
[16:35] <Matterco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/454508/
[16:35]  * ccheney uses his dd-wrt router for dnsmasq duties
[16:35] <Shinhan> my router aint dd-wrt :(
[16:37] <Shinhan> OTOH, I'm not convinced I actually need DNS caching. It was a suggestion from somebody on forums, and now I cant set it up. I think I just need DHCP
[16:38] <fishcooker> royk: 10.04.1 time... i saw there was jeos 8.04.1 8.04.2 then the last 8.04.3... is it 4 month periodicaly out of release
[16:38] <fishcooker> ?
[16:41] <RoyK> fishcooker: as ccheney mentioned above, 10.04.1 will be released jul 29. at this time do-release-upgrade will start to work from 8.04LTS. I guess this also means Canonical won't flag 10.04 stable enough before that time, meaning they probably won't release Jeos 10.04 before then.
[16:41] <Matterco> I cannot get Apache2 to start beca
[16:41] <Matterco> use I already have a rouge instance of Apache running, how do I isolate and stop a version of apache2 from running? http://paste.ubuntu.com/454509/
[16:41] <RoyK> fishcooker: btw, 8.04.4 is the latest 8.04 release
[16:42] <ccheney> i'm not sure if this is accurate but it seems to not be separate anymore: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1472825
[16:42] <ccheney> ttx, do you happen to know the answer to that?
[16:43]  * ttx looks
[16:43] <ccheney> apparently its: "From 8.10 onwards JeOS comes as part of the Server install CD, just hit F4 at the install screen and select 'Install a minimal virtual machine'."
[16:43] <ccheney> ttx, about if jeos is now minimal server install?
[16:44] <ttx> ccheney: yes, it's now delivered as an alternate install mode through F4
[16:44] <ccheney> ttx, thanks for the clarification :)
[16:45] <ccheney> fishcooker, see ttx above
[16:45] <fishcooker> thanks 4 the quick info royk+ccheney+others, i've got the mine x.xx.3
[16:45] <fishcooker> LoL ttx too
[16:50] <dgs45> Hello can someone give me a hint?
[16:50] <dgs45> I run Ubuntu 10.4 LTS
[16:50] <RoyK> fishcooker: apt-get dist-upgrade will take you to 8.04.4
[16:51] <ccheney> Daviey, apparently i had decided to upgrade my a1 setup at some point which was how it broke
[16:51] <dgs45> and my tape drive is not shown
[16:51] <Daviey> ccheney: aaahhh
[16:51] <ccheney> Daviey, i have older kernel than i had before reinstall so i know i must have upgraded it
[16:51] <fishcooker> royk: on the hardy repo... i suppose
[16:51] <ccheney> i don't remember what i did as far as upgrading, if it was just installing the new kernel or a full upgrade, but its working atm at least
[16:52] <fishcooker> ?!
[16:52] <dgs45> does anyone know how to get my tape running?
[16:52] <dgs45> is there someone using a tape drive?
[16:53] <nomoa> hi I try to enable system limits (/etc/security/limits.conf), I can enable the use of limits.conf with /etc/pam.d/files with ("session    required   pam_limits.so"), but what about start-stop-daemon?
[16:53] <SpamapS> dgs45: what do you mean your tape drive "is not shown" ?
[16:53] <Daviey> ccheney: Times like this, i'd love archive snapshots :)
[16:53] <SpamapS> smoser: ping
[16:53] <smoser> yo!
[16:53] <dgs45> I have no /dev/sg* or /dev/st* showing up in my system
[16:54] <dgs45> lsscsi only shows CD Rom
[16:54] <nomoa> It seems start-stop-daemon does not set limits listed in /etc/security/limits.conf, is it a sort of pam module I could configure or something else?
[16:54] <SpamapS> smoser: Can you explain the work item for "and attach an elastic IP" ? Doesn't that happen by passing --addressing ?
[16:55] <nomoa> side note : start-stop-daemon when used with chuid
[16:55] <dgs45> I had a similar issue on 6.xy LTS but its long ago and don*t remember how i solved it
[16:55] <smoser> i will admit to not really knowing what --addressing does.
[16:55] <SpamapS> smoser: me neither. ;)
[16:55] <SpamapS> the help is not very much use
[16:56] <smoser> but what i want is to launch an instance, assign an address 'ec2-associate-address', connect...
[16:56] <dgs45> what may i do to get the tape running its an HP Storageworks 920
[16:56] <dgs45> the SCSI Controller is an HP p410i
[16:56] <SpamapS> smoser: oohh I didn't see ec2-associate-address
[16:56] <smoser> uec-run-instance-and-wait actually has an implementation
[16:57] <smoser> SpamapS, how close are you to having something commit/packageable ?
[16:57] <SpamapS> smoser: I keep forgetting to look in there for the examples.. every time I do I avoid bugging you. ;)
[16:57] <smoser> i'd like to get something into cloud-utils today
[16:58] <SpamapS> smoser: I think the one now is packageable. check it out, it forks for the ssh+console verifying
[16:58] <RoyK> fishcooker: yes, with a local repo, you won't get much updates unless you script that as well
[16:58] <smoser> but i'm not going to be around for the afternoon into evening, probably be able to check in 9:00 eastern
[16:58] <RoyK> fishcooker: use the official repos - that's why they're there
[16:58] <ccheney> Daviey, is it considered safe to reboot the cc without rebooting/shutting down the NC first?
[16:58] <dgs45> noone can give me hint with my tape issue
[16:58] <dgs45> ???
[16:58] <ccheney> Daviey, or what is the proper method to cycle the cloud without any risk of corruption
[16:59] <RoyK> dgs45: does lshw show the tape drive?
[16:59] <dholbach> hey guys!
[16:59] <dholbach> do you need more contributors to the ubuntu server action?
[17:00] <ccheney> dholbach, yes, please see ttx :)
[17:00] <dholbach> if so, what kind of stuff should they be doing?
[17:00] <ttx> dholbach: you mean generally ?
[17:01] <dholbach> I was just thinking that it might be a good idea to give a session at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep about whatever your contributors should be doing
[17:01] <dholbach> we still have a few open slots
[17:01]  * ttx delegates to his community experts, mathiaz and Daviey
[17:01]  * ttx -> eod
[17:01] <ccheney> Daviey, also is there a way to kill a instance that is stuck shutting down?
[17:02] <ccheney> dholbach, Daviey is here but iirc mathiaz is gone this week to a conference
[17:02] <ttx> dholbach: I might be convinced to do a server papercuts session.
[17:02] <ttx> though ISTR the timing was suboptimal for me -- will have a look and confirm
[17:03] <dholbach> ttx: do you want to block a slot already?
[17:03] <ttx> dholbach: will look into it tomorrow morning
[17:03] <dholbach> alrightie
[17:03] <dholbach> thanks ttx
[17:03] <ttx> dholbach: shoudln't prevent Mathias from doing a generic "contribute to Ubuntu Server" session
[17:04] <dholbach> yeah, that or pick a few server specific packaging things (init scripts, upstart stuff, have a look at some web service packaging stuff, etc.)
[17:05] <dholbach> there's a lot of interesting stuff going on in server land
[17:05] <ttx> dholbach: mark me for the Thu 1800UTC slot, that's the only one I could do
[17:05] <Daviey> dholbach: I think it's fair to say the server team will do *somethign*, so at least reserve us a session.. i know they are going fast!!
[17:06] <dholbach> ttx: will do, thanks a bunch
[17:06] <Daviey> ttx: Are you still here?
[17:06] <dholbach> Daviey: shall I block out another one?
[17:06] <ttx> Daviey: ... yes ...
[17:07] <Daviey> ttx: -> msg
[17:07] <Daviey> dholbach: It's up to you.. the server team rocks, we could fill the whole week's session with the bags of awesome we have.
[17:08] <dholbach> then: BRING! IT! ON!
[17:10] <dgs45> lshw lshw shows anything but not the drive
[17:10] <dgs45> hpacucli shows two controllers and tells mew about a drive
[17:11] <dgs45> just used the hpacucli diag command
[17:11] <Daviey> dholbach: Server > Community :P
[17:11] <Daviey> err, "Community Team"
[17:13] <dgs45> HP CISS Driver (v 3.6.20)
[17:13] <dgs45> do I have to compile a new kernel with the actual version of the HP CISS driver?
[17:16] <dholbach> Daviey: if you have ideas which server sessions we could add, I'm all for it :)
[17:17] <dgs45> no one who knows tapes well on Ubuntu?
[17:18] <ccheney> dgs45, probably best to ask on the forum
[17:19] <dgs45> yes i should
[17:20] <dgs45> hpacucli gives me the tapedrive serial :) it must be somewhere
[17:20] <dgs45> could it be that I have to change IRQ on my SAS Controller?
[17:20] <ccheney> last time i used a tape drive was probably 12+ years ago
[17:22] <dgs45> if I know the controller the LUN and ID may I map it somehow manual? I thought there was a way to force it somehow
[17:24] <dgs45> may I map my drive manually
[17:25] <dgs45> I know the scsi lun and all of it so it should be possible, hpacucli shows me the drive on the p410i
[17:36] <dgs45> is there a possible update to the latest cciss driver?
[17:39] <RoyK> dgs45: using a kernel.org kernel will give you all the new stuff, but without automatic updates
[17:39] <dgs45> are there Ubuntu kernels?
[17:40] <RoyK> I didn't think the cciss drivers changed much
[17:40] <RoyK> dgs45: a linux kernel is a linux kernel, more or less
[17:40] <dgs45> on 10.4 it is 3.20
[17:40] <dgs45> and actual is 4.6 or so
[17:41] <dgs45> Last updated Thu Oct 29, 2009 latest version is 4.6.20-22 These are meant for 2.6.26 or later kernels
[17:41] <dgs45> and in 10.4 there is 3.20
[17:41] <dgs45> I thought 10.4 was Kernel 2.6 or so?
[17:42] <RoyK> dgs45: have you checked which vewrsion is in 2.6.34?
[17:42] <RoyK> 10.04 uses 2.6.23
[17:42] <ccheney> just finished verifying 41440ff works with a running instance, so now on to the next bisection :)
[17:42] <RoyK> 10.04 uses 2.6.32
[17:42] <dgs45> so the ciss driver is not meant for the Kernel running in 10.4
[17:44] <dgs45> but is still there ???
[17:44] <dgs45> I don*t understand this
[17:44] <dgs45> however
[17:44] <RoyK> dgs45: listen, ubuntu uses linux-2.6.32 with some custom patches. it uses the drivers in 2.6.32
[17:45] <RoyK> you can use the kernel.org kernels, mostly without problems
[17:45] <RoyK> but you will have to build it yourself
[17:45] <dgs45> I will try to
[17:45] <RoyK> lemme check which cciss driver is in there
[17:46] <dgs45> I think how to build is in some readme, isn*t that complicated
[17:46] <dgs45> I saw 3.20
[17:46] <dgs45> cciss 3.20
[17:47] <RoyK> http://cciss.sourceforge.net/
[17:47] <dgs45> how to see which cciss is in kernel org kernel?
[17:48] <dgs45> thank you I was there reading through
[17:48] <dgs45> so I may use the debian source to build one
[17:48] <RoyK> should work
[17:48] <dgs45> oh lucky me :)
[17:49] <Pici> Whats the proper way to enable/disable services now that upstart has taken over?
[17:49] <RoyK> what was the reason for taking services out of sysv boot and into upstart in the first place?
[17:50] <cybrocop_> Hi all. I am having a problem with UEC... registration seems to be broken.
[17:50] <cybrocop_> Here is some background: http://open.eucalyptus.com/forum/cc-not-able-registersee-nodes
[17:51] <cybrocop_> I went to #eucalyptus first and I was told that Ubuntu has re-wired registration so I should bring up my issue here:
[17:52] <cybrocop_> There is another problem that is probably contributing to my registration issue.  eucalyptus-cc and uec-component-listener do not start during system boot. I have to start them manually each time.
[17:52] <cybrocop_> kirkland/smoser/others...: Can you give me some assistance on how to troubleshoot this?
[17:53] <cybrocop_> Here is a "snapshot" of the problem: http://slexy.org/raw/s21Fvc4hwy
[17:57] <dgs45> thank you RoyK
[17:59] <ccheney> Daviey, we're down to 641 commits, so if i remember my math right that would be less than 10 kernels to go worst case
[18:00] <ccheney> Daviey, so hopefully by the end of the night we will have the commit identified
[18:01] <Daviey> ccheney: ROCKING!
[18:14] <cybrocop_> This bug  (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/+bug/504704) seems to have been fixed at some point...
[18:14] <cybrocop_> "This bug was fixed in the package eucalyptus - 1.6.2~bzr1166-0ubuntu2"
[18:14] <cybrocop_> How can I find out if the packages I have contain the fix or no?
[18:17] <cybrocop_> The fix was issues sometime in Feb... and I have the most up-to-date packages from lucid-updates.... Is there any way to know if the fix has made it to lucid-updates yet?
[18:29] <Daviey> cybrocop_: If you are running a version >bzr1166-0ubuntu2, then you should have the fix :)
[18:31] <cybrocop_> Daviey: When I do a dpkg -l, the eucalyptus-cc package is listed as 1.6.2-0ubuntu30. How can I correlate that with bzr revisions?
[18:33] <Daviey> cybrocop_: 1.6.2-0ubuntu30 came after bzr1166-0ubuntu2
[18:33] <Daviey> cybrocop_: so you should have the fix
[18:33] <cybrocop_> Daviey: OK. Thanks. Is there any way I can verify this myself int he future? For instance, can I tell from the naming convention?
[18:35] <Daviey> cybrocop_: Checking the changelog is a good start :)
[18:35] <Daviey> cybrocop_: ie, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/e/eucalyptus/eucalyptus_1.6.2+bzr1230-0ubuntu2/changelog
[18:35] <Daviey> (you can also get that the changelog through aptitude)
[18:36] <Daviey> cybrocop_: $ aptitude changelog eucalyptus
[18:38] <cybrocop_> Daviey: Thanks a million.
[18:38] <Daviey> cybrocop_: np
[19:29] <rberger> Any idea how to get the hostname (as reported by hostname -f) is a FQDN on Eucalyptus / UEC? Right now hostname is just set to a representation of the IP address with no domainname. This breaks a lot of packages. Any idea where in the Eucalyptus / UEC boot process the hostname gets set? On my UEC setup http://169.254.169.254/latest/meta-data/hostname
[19:29] <rberger> returns a pure IP address not a hostname or a FQDN
[19:30] <rberger> I'm running the official Ubuntu 10.4 Lucid amd64 pretty much from a recent daily build
[19:39] <cybrocop> rberger: You should enable DNS. I think there is a config file option  DISABLE_DNS
[19:39] <cybrocop> rberger: which is set to Y by default.
[19:39] <rberger> cybrocop I did do that and followed the instructions for DynamicDNS
[19:39] <ruben23> hi i installed ubuntu-server 8.04 and suddenly i get this error message----> http://pastebin.com/vmgvW4xg
[19:40] <cybrocop> rberger: It didn't work?
[19:40] <rberger> cybrocop It did some nice things for accessing the instances from outside the cluster (FQDN to ssh and such) but it didn't change the behavior of what hostname -f returns or http://169.254.169.254/latest/meta-data/hostname
[19:40] <Danawar1> Hi Ruben23, what are you trying to install it to?
[19:41] <ruben23> Danawar1:im just running the installation cd on a server hardware box thats all
[19:41] <cybrocop> rberger: sorry, don't know how to fix that but you might also want to try asking on #eucalyptus. I'd be interested to know the answer as well.
[19:42] <Danawar1> Ruben23: I'm guessing its just not detecting the harddrive/s
[19:43] <rberger> cybrocop I'll ask again on #Eucalyptus, but they suggested the same thing you said and then no more info.
[19:43] <ruben23>  Danawar1: yes thats the problem
[19:43] <ruben23> the HDD is sata seagare baracuda 7100 rom
[19:43] <Danawar1> Ruben23: Is the server hardware box near you?
[19:43] <ruben23> yes
[19:43] <ruben23> its bedide me
[19:44] <ruben23> beside me
[19:44] <Danawar1> Ruben23: Is it possible for you to feel if the hard drive is spinning?
[19:45] <ruben23> ok
[19:45] <ruben23> ill do it
[19:48] <Danawar1> Ruben23: Does the hard drive appear in the BIOS, Is the hard drive making weird noises?
[20:03] <RoyK> ruben23: try to boot on a live cd and see if it sees your drive
[20:26] <bogeyd6-> someone should slap the openoffice.org developers. Does read-only really mean you cant copy from the file?
[20:30] <ccheney> bogeyd6-, i can copy out of a file just fine when in read-only mode
[20:31] <bogeyd6-> ccheney, using ubuntu 10.04 ?
[20:31] <bogeyd6-> i get prompted thats its read only before i can copy
[20:31] <bogeyd6-> allows no changes to be made to file
[20:31] <bogeyd6-> etc....
[20:31] <bogeyd6-> i have to save it to use it unprompted
[20:33] <ccheney> bogeyd6-, yea, you can also switch files into read only mode by just clicking on the button in the toolbar
[20:34] <ccheney> bogeyd6-, i also tried removing the write bit on the file and opening it and let me copy text out as well, i am using 10.04 with an odt file
[20:34] <ccheney> OOo version 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1
[20:35] <bogeyd6-> wat
[20:35] <RoyK> bogeyd6-: openoffice usage isn't really a -server issue
[20:35]  * ccheney happens to be the OOo maintainer which is why he is answering the question :)
[20:35] <bogeyd6-> RoyK, still jaded?
[20:36] <ccheney> but yea not server related :)
[20:36] <RoyK> bogeyd6-: not at all
[20:36] <bogeyd6-> ccheney, yep, on same one
[20:36] <ccheney> hmm no idea what is going on with your system
[20:36] <bogeyd6-> actually this is a server related issue and one i am needing help for royk
[20:36] <ccheney> you are running ubuntu not a different variant?
[20:37] <bogeyd6-> ubuntu 10.04 desktop, using a file off a share from an ubuntu 9.10 server running samba
[20:37] <RoyK> bogeyd6-: how can openoffice be a server issue?
[20:37] <ccheney> bogeyd6-, oh in that case i know the exact problem :)
[20:37] <ccheney> bogeyd6-, i need to do a SRU of coreutils and add locking exclusion for cifs
[20:37] <bogeyd6-> and there we go
[20:37] <ccheney> i'm not sure why it wouldn't let you highlight text though
[20:38] <bogeyd6-> RoyK, please stop mayng, i took you off ignore to be nice. yet you continue to embarrass yourself :(
[20:38] <ccheney> it definitely wouldn't let you work with the file much due to the locking problem
[20:38] <ccheney> workaround before then is to mount the cifs with nobrl option
[20:38] <bogeyd6-> aye aye ccheney
[20:39] <RoyK> bogeyd6-: bugger off - put me back on ignore if you like - I gave you a solution for your "10% overhead" and you still told me I was wrong - may I ask who's trolling?
[20:39] <bogeyd6-> ccheney, like a charm
[20:39] <ccheney> i'm not sure if that is 100% safe for all other apps, but it fixes OOo for the moment anyway
[20:39] <ccheney> nobrl turns off byte range locking
[20:39] <bogeyd6-> ahh, this is much better
[20:39] <bogeyd6-> a million space thank you's ccheney
[20:40] <ccheney> np
[20:41] <bogeyd6-> ccheney, this is OT but my life just got alot easier working on these inventory files
[20:41] <ccheney> heh
[20:41] <bogeyd6-> one day i will task a tech with converting them into mysql
[20:42] <ccheney> so apparently this bug happened because it went from being mounted as smbfs (or something like that iirc) to 'cifs' and coreutils has no concept of what a cifs partition is, so when trying to see if its a remote fs it just spit out hex to my test
[20:42] <ccheney> it will be fixed in maverick as soon as the OOo that was uploaded a while back gets built
[20:42] <bogeyd6-> ccheney, do you work on the backports?
[20:43] <bogeyd6-> 3.2.1 fixes alot of bugs our users get
[20:45] <ccheney> bogeyd6-, well the ones in my ppa yea, but i usually don't have time to do them, i am going to try to get 3.2.1 into 10.04.1
[20:45] <bogeyd6-> kk
[21:02] <ccheney> down to 169 commits now
[21:03] <kozmund> I'm attempting to give a set of people sftp only chrooted access using "ForceCommand internal-sftp" and "ChrootDirectory" and everything works great except that I can't figure out whether it's even possible to get a umask other than 022. Anyone mixed internal-sftp and umask before?
[21:30] <chewbranca> hi I'm looking into a good AMI platform to use on EC2, and I started playing around with EBS ubuntu 10.04 images, particularly this one: http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry.jspa?externalID=3101 but I'm a little confused as to why it won't run on a small instance, my target is generally m1.large which it works fine on, but I would still like to be able to use the standard small instance in particular situ
[21:30] <chewbranca> ations, any thoughts?
[21:30] <kozmund> As frequently happens, I figured it out shortly after asking. Using pam_umask to set the umask for the internal-sftp users and overriding it in /etc/profile for login ssh users.
[21:35] <chewbranca> hrmmm... on that note, I can't even find an EBS image that works with a small instance
[21:56] <ccheney> just reduced the git test to ~ 80 commits
[21:57] <ccheney> and we now know it was on dec 8 2009
[22:00] <pting> chewbranca, small instances are x86 instance; hence, your can't run that image because it's amd64... try to find the x86 equivalent
[22:02] <pting> chewbranca, you can find a complete list of images @ http://alestic.com/
[22:03] <chewbranca> pting, yeah that's where I first saw ubuntu AMIs
[22:04] <chewbranca> oh ok, just bad docs, threw me off: http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry.jspa?externalID=3102
[22:04] <chewbranca> that's the 32bit equivalent to the first AMI I linked
[22:04] <chewbranca> but it has the same description as the 64 bit AMI
[22:09] <chewbranca> hrmm.. so that complicates things, one thing I liked about the EBS stuff is making it very easy to scale up and start small, I guess you can do the same thing, but just not start with the 'small' instance
[22:18] <Arcticoon> Greetings, everyone. I'm trying to find out the files / packages in Ubuntu server for ip6tables functionality. I'm familiar with CentOS/RHEL where "service ip6tables" and "/etc/sysconfig/ip6tables" restart the service and house the rules, but I can't find the corresponding functionality anywhere in the docs for Ubuntu 10.04.
[22:25] <pting> chewbranca, if you plan on switching between small and large instances, i would try to utilize puppet http://www.puppetlabs.com/ or something. it'll make the transition more seamless once you get all of it configured
[22:27] <chewbranca> pting, yeah I've been looking into chef and puppet, I'm building a rails based framework right now, and I'm trying to rebundle an AMI to release so there is a full system configured to run this platform, so unfortunately, I think I just have to duplicate it for 64bit and 32bit, but I could use chef and puppet to facilitate maintaining those setups
[22:56] <EtienneG> If I want to use the Ubuntu Server CD to install a machine that I access using a serial console (cannot do netboot install; don't ask); will the ISOLINUX language selection splash screen and graphical menu interfere?
[23:06] <ccheney> apparently git is confusing me, it looks like the patch causing the problem may be older than i thought :-\
[23:06] <ccheney> the git log on kernel.org doesn't seem to match up exactly with the bisection list for some reason
[23:06] <ccheney> but we are down to 18 now
[23:25] <jjohansen> ccheney: if tgardner is bisecting mainline kernels then it should
[23:25] <ccheney> jjohansen, hmm ok
[23:25] <jjohansen> ccheney: if he is bisecting some version of ours it might not
[23:25] <ccheney> is this considered the right place to look?
[23:26] <ccheney> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=log;h=2058297d2d045cb57138c33b87cfabcc80e65186
[23:26] <ccheney> if so then he seems to be bisecting something else
[23:26] <jjohansen> yeah that is linus
[23:26] <jjohansen> s/linus/linus's tree/
[23:26] <jjohansen> linus never rebases
[23:27] <ccheney> ok
[23:28] <jjohansen> ccheney: sorry I haven't been following to closely
[23:28] <ccheney> no problem
[23:34] <freddy_dude> what are some of the tools i can check my server for security holes, issues ?
[23:40] <jmarsden|work> freddy_dude: See http://sectools.org/
[23:45] <hallyn> jdstrand: just wondering, do you know our libvirt compiles --without-esx?  Is there any background to that, or is it just how it's always been?
[23:46] <freddy_dude> jmarsden|work: thanks
[23:46] <jmarsden|work> freddy_dude: You're welcome.
[23:52] <cybrocop> Is there any way I can Munin to measure web site response time?
[23:53] <cybrocop> Or is Munin not the right tool for that? Or maybe I need additional tools + munin