[00:00] rats [00:00] 19. September 2010 on amazon.de [00:00] http://www.amazon.de/WeTab-Zoll-Tablet-PC-Bluetooth-Wi-Fi/dp/B003JFKUWQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1277420418&sr=8-1 [00:01] I just want to put une on it [00:01] cool. [00:01] the notion ink tablet also looks neat, but isn't due out until Q3 or so. [00:03] is that the one with the strange screen not lcd? [00:03] yeah. [00:04] has the dual-mode screen.. the Pixel Qi tech. [00:04] kind of an lcd + e-ink thing. [00:04] that will be interesting to see [00:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NotK4TVQ-6E&feature=player_embedded# [00:05] that video isn't of the tablet, but shows the pixel qi technology. [00:07] thats cool technology [00:22] thanks godbyk-sagan good night and have a good confernce if i don't chat to you before [00:23] night all [03:28] any one here? [03:28] Awake i mean [03:29] Hey, zkriesse, what's up? [03:30] Trying to install TeX Live from source cause I wanna help out with you guys [03:30] I'm to the part to Enable create symlinks to standard directories [03:30] Okay. [03:30] And when i try to enable it I'm confused as to what to put for the value for binary directory usr/local/bin [03:31] You should be okay if you just accept the defaults (i.e., just hit Enter for each of them). [03:31] oh leave 'em blank? [03:31] Terminal will take that? [03:31] Yep. [03:31] Ok gimme a sec [03:32] When you leave them blank, it will use the default value (what's in brackets). [03:32] Its enabled now apparently [03:32] X in the box [03:32] 'kay. [03:32] now it's at the Enter Command [03:33] If you've set the paper size and any other options to what you want, you should be good to go. Just hit 'I' and Enter to start installing. [03:33] it's not installing [03:34] I enter "i" and hit enter and it just goes back to blank [03:34] To blank? I'm not sure I understand. [03:34] It should start downloading files. [03:36] Figured it out [03:36] 'kay. [03:36] I was in the options menu trying to install [03:37] lol [03:37] Aha. [03:37] * zkriesse is goofy [03:37] The installer program can be a bit confusing and hard to use. [03:37] kinda helps if i hit R to go back to the main menu don'tcha think? [03:37] In your opinion is it better to use letter size or A4 [03:38] I would set the default to whatever you regularly use. [03:38] I've never used this program before [03:38] When we create the manual, we specify it on a per-language basis. So either option will work okay. [03:38] ok [03:38] * zkriesse is just now trying to start out [03:38] Cool. [03:38] with the manual project anyway [03:38] Well, we're glad for your help. [03:38] I'm in several teams [03:38] Beginners Team mainly [03:39] and pleia2 recruited me for user days [03:39] So I figured I'd check this out too [03:40] want my wiki page link for anything? [03:42] I think they're redesigning our website, so we may use links to people's wiki pages then. At the moment, it's just a plain text list. [03:42] k [03:42] More or less I meant for personal looking :D [03:44] Oh, in that case, sure! Fire away. :) [03:44] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/zkriesse [03:45] dang it [03:45] just realized i gotta upload a new ssh key [03:45] cause i re-installed the other day [03:45] Yeah, I had to do that a couple times recently, too. [03:46] I take it you're Kevin Godby? [03:46] Yep, that's me. [03:46] cool [03:46] Am I that notorious? :) [03:46] * zkriesse is Zach Kriesse [03:47] It's nice to make your acquaintance. [03:47] no just i noticed your nick started out with godby and there is only one godby on the manual page so... [03:47] Likewise [03:48] Aha. [03:49] aha what? [03:49] what's aha [03:49] RE: noticing my nick, etc. [03:49] "Aha" = "I see." / "I understand." / "Gotcha." [03:50] oh i thought maybe you saw something on my wiki page [03:50] Ah, I haven't read it yet. Finishing up another article first. [03:52] cool [03:52] uber cool [03:59] Wow. You have a lot of stuff on your wiki page. Mine's pretty sparse: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KevinGodby [04:01] well i dont' have a PhD [04:01] so ya got me beat there [04:01] Heh, well, neither do I yet. :) [04:01] It's a work-in-progress. [04:01] lol [04:01] * zkriesse is trying to join the Army Combat Medic [04:01] well i have to go [04:02] Cool. [04:02] gotta watch my bro for a bit [04:02] Okay. It was nice to meet you. See you later. [04:02] nice to meet you, thanks for the help [04:02] * zkriesse out [04:49] godbyk: ah how long should this program take to install? [04:49] 01:10:03/03:49:06] [04:49] that's what i'm looking at...does it mean three hours left? [04:50] godbyk, A person called James is going to come in here at some point and ask you how many copies of the printed book we've sold. Could you please tell him for me? [04:50] that would be me! [04:50] There we go [04:50] now you guys have fun chatting [04:50] I am off [04:50] godbyk: how many copies of the printed book were sold? [04:51] zkriesse: It'll take three hours to finish downloading, by its estimate. [04:51] Nearly four hours. [04:51] damnit [04:52] JamesMR: Good question. Let me look. [04:52] My internet goes off at midnight and it's already 11 [04:53] zkriesse: It *should* pick up where it left off if you have to cancel the install and restart it later. [04:53] godbyk-sagan: any want I can pause it or will i cause an issue if i shut it off and restart it in the morning [04:53] ok thanks [04:54] just outa question what timezone are you in? [04:54] JamesMR: I don't have precise numbers, because lulu.com doesn't give those out for free books. But it looks to be about 90 copies. [04:54] of the hard copy? [04:55] I'm trying to see if that includes downloads via lulu.com. One moment. [04:56] Aha! I found more details. [04:57] 8-) [04:57] 93 copies of the print book. 282 downloads (via lulu.com). [04:57] godbyk-sagan: i edited your wiki page a bit... === Zeike is now known as brandonj [04:57] cool :) [04:57] nice numbers [04:57] zkriesse: Okay. I'll take a look at it. [04:58] JamesMR: Yeah, I'm rather impressed with them. Full disclosure: one of those 93 is my copy. :) [04:58] Is e2 still supposed to be released on tuesday? [04:58] hehe [04:58] JamesMR: And 92 of them are the copies my mom bought. (Just kidding!) [04:58] (rofl) [04:58] I plan to buy a copy at some point [04:58] brandonj: Tuesday? [04:58] however I recently spent all my savings on web hosting [04:58] I thought thats what the date was [04:59] brandonj: Hmm.. let me check, I thought it was toward the end of July. [04:59] In any case, I don't think it'll be released this coming Tuesday as I won't be around much. [04:59] I'm leaving tomorrow evening for a TeX conference in San Francisco. [04:59] haha ok [04:59] JamesMR: No worries. :) [05:00] brandonj: 29 July is the release date for the second edition. [05:00] oh, I was thinking 29 June for some reason I guess [05:01] thanks [05:01] brandonj: No problem. [05:02] ok i'm out for the night [05:02] See you later, zkriesse. [05:02] bye [05:07] JamesMR: It appears there have been 105,229 downloads of the on-screen version of our manual from our site. And an additional 6,214 downloads of the optimized-for-printing version. [05:07] Others may have downloaded the manual from mirrors or other sites. I can't account for those downloads, however. [05:35] godbyk-sagan: that's impressive [05:36] Yeah, it's been quite a while since I looked at the numbers. [05:39] I'm tempted to download a copy to make that an even number [05:40] brandonj: The number is 105,241 now. [05:41] well I guess I'll never have my way then [05:42] You could download it 9 times and bump it up to ..50, though. :) === Guest85497 is now known as topo [05:43] that would be a good way to procrastinate studying for my GRE === topo is now known as Guest52976 [05:44] It's at 243 now [05:44] 244 === Guest52976 is now known as topog [05:44] 244 [05:45] thats a respectable rate [05:45] and counting... [05:45] morning all [05:45] morning, topog [05:46] hey, godbyk, i was told that we had some progress on the greek version of the manual [05:47] topog: I think so. [05:47] i checked a few latex things [05:47] topog: I've got a couple little translation things to code up. I need to create the half-title page sometime and write the code to include it. [05:47] topog: There's still some bug wherein the index/contents in evince (the sidebar) aren't displaying correctly for ubuntujenkins. [05:48] We want to make sure it only his machine and not the PDFs themselves that are the problem. [05:48] i see [05:49] brandonj: 245 [05:49] i corrected a few glossary entries that link to wrong page by hand [05:49] topog: Yeah, I need to figure out what's going on there. [05:50] Also, c7p mentioned that index entries were pointing to the wrong pages, too. [05:50] i wonder why the link is not correct in the first place [05:50] Well, I know what the common reason is, but I don't know if it applies in this case yet. (Haven't had time to investigate.) [05:50] The way the cross-referencing works is: [05:51] 1. you run xelatex to generate the first draft of the pdf. along the way, xelatex generates a .aux file (among other files) that contains lists of cross-references. [05:51] so on this first run-through, there are no cross-reference page numbers in the pdf, because it hasn't generated the list of cross-references yet. [05:51] in this case, you'll see ?? instead of the page numbers (or chapter names, etc.). [05:51] well, actually the index entries are wong on your builds @ builds.u-m.org . building with make has no problem [05:51] 2. on the second run, xelatex reads the .aux files (and others) to update the page numbers. [05:52] sometimes, though updating the page numbers (and chapter names) causes text to get moved around. occasionally, this causes text to get pushed to another page. which means the following page numbers are no longer valid. [05:52] this occurs when we generate the glossary and index, too. [05:52] when we pull in the generated glossary text, it adds a few pages. this means that cross references to those later pages may be incorrect. [05:53] so basically we just have to keep regenerating the glossary, index, and pdf until it all settles down. [05:53] thats what i thought too [05:53] (sadly, there are some edge cases where it will never settle down. but I hope we never encounter those.) [05:53] so, i run xelatex by hand [05:53] corrected the glo and gls files [05:54] if it's working okay with the makefile but not the builds stuff, then i may need to look at my build script to ensure it's running things in the same manner as the makefile. [05:54] and build the pdf [05:56] yeah. that's a huge pain. [05:56] especially when it comes to the index. :) [05:58] i think its probably your build script because all the indexes on build-u-m.org are incorrect, but with make evereything is ooook [05:58] okay, that's good to know. [05:58] when I get back from this conference, i'll have a look at the build script and see what's up. [05:58] (I don't have a copy of it on my laptop at the moment, or I'd look into it now.) [05:59] there is no rush :P [06:00] just latex talking [06:00] :) [06:01] does the glossary work okay with the makefile, too? [06:02] yes, exept 4-5 bugs that c7p tracked down, probably because of reasons you mention before [06:02] i corrected them by hand [06:02] okay. [06:03] if I can't find a way to resolve those automatically, I'll just modify the glossary style and tell it not to print page numbers. [06:04] may be a good solution [06:05] While I wouldn't mind editing one translation's glossary by hand, I'm certainly not interested in doing more than that. :) [06:08] well, thats why we have translation editors :P [06:09] Heh. Yeah, but they might all quit if I forced them to edit glossaries by hand. :-) [06:12] well, there may be an optional requirement on the list of a translations editing.. :P [06:15] true. :) [06:16] Well, I'm going to go to bed. I have to get up tomorrow and pack for my trip. [06:19] bye godbyk [06:19] See ya later. [07:39] godbyk: thanks for the nice statistics! [07:40] thorwil: oh, is the stats page on the website working again? [07:40] nisshh: don'T know, was referring to mail on the list [07:40] oh, ok [07:40] hehe [07:40] i got over excited :) [09:28] morning all [09:29] morning! [09:46] bye [10:16] hey guys [10:18] when you say tittle page you mean the very first page of a book ? for example http://humphreybc.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/downloads.png [15:15] godbyk-sagan: [19:57] godbyk: ping [19:58] Hey, zkriesse. What's up? [19:59] godbyk-sagan: well I think i got everything working...just wanted to ask, one how do i compile the manual to make sure it's "all good" and two, how do i file bugs? [19:59] zkriesse: To compile the English version of the manual, you can just run 'make'. It'll generate main.pdf. [19:59] ok [20:00] run make where? [20:00] I see the make button on top of the folder is that it? [20:00] Okay, yeah, if you're using Ground Control, the make button should work. [20:00] I see Make Clean Make Translated PDF Make PDF and Update to Latest [20:00] Otherwise, open a terminal, 'cd' into the directory containing the ubuntu manual branch and type 'make'. [20:01] 'Make PDF' should do the trick. [20:01] And you can file bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/. [20:01] getting a lot of Latex Warning Marginpar removed [20:01] what is that [20:02] ok it popped up with the manual [20:02] all nice and pretty [20:02] Also an issue I have is when I try to click the "Update to Latest" it fails to get a lock on ///home/zach/something [20:05] and i get this error when i make the pdf [20:05] Package bibentry Warning: You have used \nobibliography* [20:05] (bibentry) without a following \bibliography. [20:05] (bibentry) You may not be able to run BibTeX. [20:08] the marginpar warnings and the nobibliography warning can be ignored. [20:09] ok [20:09] zkriesse: Have you ran the install-pkgs.sh script yet? [20:09] yes [20:09] okay, good. [20:09] you should be set then. [20:09] i went through and manually installed all the packages that weren't installed [20:09] hmm , anyone knows which compresses better? tar.lzma / tar.gz ? [20:10] tar.gz i think [20:10] might be wrong though [20:10] hmm.. [20:10] * vish tries all :D [20:10] godbyk-sagan: Run command: bzr update [20:10] Unable to obtain lock file:///home/zach/Projects/ubuntu-manual/.bzr/checkout/lock [20:10] held by zach.kleinhenz@gmail.com on host zach-desktop [process #1410] [20:10] locked 4 hours, 53 minutes ago [20:10] Will continue to try until 14:15:21, unless you press Ctrl-C. [20:10] See "bzr help break-lock" for more. [20:10] that's what i get when i try to update it [20:11] zkriesse: bzr has quit in the middle of a bzr action [20:11] thats why you are getting that error [20:11] ok can i fix it? [20:11] zkriesse: Open a terminal and run 'bzr break-lock PATH' (where PATH is the path it gave you). [20:11] ok [20:12] file:///home/zach/Projects/ubuntu-manual/.bzr/checkout/lock [20:12] that it? [20:12] yup [20:12] * vish remembers freaking out the first time i saw the error :) [20:12] if that path doesn't work, try /home/zach/Projects/ubuntu-manual instead [20:12] Ok now it said, "Tree up to date!" [20:13] thanks vish [20:13] np. [20:13] vish: When I first got the error, it was a server lock. I was scared i'd break something big-time! [20:13] That's what i thought i'd done.... [20:13] I was scared to do anything nonetheless [20:13] So if i change stuff can i just push it up to lp? [20:14] Or do i have to show my revision to somebody [20:14] you have to push to show it too [20:14] meaning? [20:14] zkriesse: you have to push the rev to bzr so others cant see it [20:15] they have to pull and check [20:15] oh ok [20:15] cool [20:15] err ,that was can* [20:15] So I can just push....no need to ask first [20:15] zkriesse: A question: which branch did you download? [20:15] zkriesse: nope.. just make sure to check what files you have changed [20:16] zkriesse: if you're unsure, run 'bzr info' from /home/zach/Projects/ubuntu-manual to find out. [20:16] if it's lucid-e1, you're not allowed to touch anything. :) [20:16] zkriesse: also , make sure to do a "bzr status" before a push , [20:16] through terminal right [20:16] yup [20:17] cd to /home/zach blahah [20:17] yeah [20:17] then run 'bzr info' [20:17] ooh , bzr info, /me tries [20:17] Standalone tree (format: 2a) [20:17] Location: [20:17] branch root: . [20:17] Related branches: [20:17] parent branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e2/ [20:17] submit branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e2/ [20:17] zach@zach-desktop:~/Projects/ubuntu-manual$ [20:18] zkriesse: Okay, great! You should be fine then. [20:18] zkriesse: if you want to do it the GUI way , you can install Olive branch manager / bazaar explorer [20:18] vish why bzr status? what does that do? [20:18] bzr status tells you which files you've modified. [20:18] zkriesse: "bzr status" is to check what files you have changed [20:18] oh ok [20:18] lol [20:18] :) [20:18] two at one! [20:18] vish is leading by one, godbyk close behind [20:19] Oop godbyk is pulling ahead and there he goes! [20:19] :) [20:19] zkriesse: there are 3clones of him , tough to beat ;) [20:19] Yes I've got Bazaar Explorer and Olvie branch [20:20] you can use either , depends on which you prefer [20:20] afternoon everyone [20:20] hi brandonj ! [20:21] ok godbyk-sagan vish is there anything else I need to know/run off the getgo or shall I just start fixing [20:21] Oooh...filing bugs [20:21] Is that for major stuff? [20:22] zkriesse: oh and probably use a sensible commit message ;) [20:23] sensible commit messages are good. [20:23] always pull the branch before you commit and push. [20:23] there was an email a while back that outlined the process. [20:23] i'll see if i can find it. [20:23] yeah , thats a bummer when you get a bzr diverged :/ [20:24] I have it saved [20:24] godbyk-sagan: but it was easy to merge with the GUI [explorer/olive] , when they diverged and stuff [20:24] zkriesse: This thread should help: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg01904.html [20:25] vish: Oh yeah? I've never used explorer or olive. [20:25] I've always just used the command line, I guess. [20:25] when you do bzr commit, if you've done a bug fix you can do bzr commit --fixes=lp:###### [20:25] I prefer to avoid merging, though, as it frightens and confuses me. ;-) [20:25] godbyk-sagan: yeah, thats what i like about them , it is damn simple for merging , they have a button and it does it all! [20:26] brandonj: Ah, yes. That's a good point. I think someone raised it later in that email thread. [20:26] isnt it "--fixes lp:######" [20:26] i hadnt used "=" [20:26] vish: When it does the merge, does it incorporate the changes you're overriding and email me a scary message about multiple commits being lost or whatever it says? [20:27] vish: I think I've usded the '='. Maybe it doesn't matter. [20:27] In 'bzr help commit' it shows the =. But in 'bzr help bugs' it doesn't show the =. [20:27] godbyk-sagan: yeah , it usually merges or allows to revert the changes [20:29] what'd i miss [20:29] helping a new guy with wiki editing [20:31] hmm , tar.xz [20:31] Ok so filing a bug... [20:32] To file a bug, just hit up https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/. [20:33] Ok I can do that or I can just fix it right? [20:33] Sorry if I'm being annoying [20:33] You can file a bug if you like, or if it's something you think you can fix yourself, feel free to dive in. [20:33] Like right now I'm trying to commit but what do i put for the "Fixed Bug" number or ID? [20:34] what is that? [20:34] every bug on launchpad has a unique number [20:34] ok [20:34] so unless you're fixing a bug from launchpad, don't use that option [20:34] Oh ok [20:35] I'm using Bazaar Explorer brandonj if that helps :D [20:35] I've never used it [20:35] I'll be back in a bit, guys. I need to go pack some clothes. [20:35] but if you go to the launchpad page, and look at the list of bugs, the id numbers should be pretty aparent [20:37] Yeah ok [20:37] I gotcha [20:38] Now where it says "Branch" "/home/zach/Projects/ubuntu-manual" that is fine right? [20:38] It's stating the project [20:39] i think thats fine [20:39] Ok i pushed it up there! [20:40] YAY! My first one! [20:40] oh oh [20:41] so lzma has the best compression .. [20:44] OK. I've gotta go for a bit...thanks for the help vish and info and you too brandonj [20:44] * zkriesse out [20:44] np. [22:40] what's hyphenation? [22:40] c7p: Hyphenation is where you break a single word across two lines. [22:40] put-ting hy-phens in words [22:40] o syllavismos [22:40] thx kevin [22:40] thx all :p [22:41] I board the train in two hours. Yay! [22:41] I'll have to drive to the station sometime soon. [22:41] :p great [22:41] where are you going? [22:42] I'm going to San Francisco for a TeX conference: http://tug.org/tug2010/ [22:42] that's quite a trip from IA [22:42] (i think) [22:42] It's a two-day train trip there. (The train system in the US is pretty lame.) [22:43] i have about as much knowledge of US geography as you probably do of English :) [22:43] How can I submit a file on the brunch (actually update it)? [22:43] c7p: on the command line or with ground control? [22:43] What's to know about English geography? You're a tiny little island off the coast of Europe? [22:43] england isn't an island :) [22:43] dutchie: whatever [22:44] dutchie: You're right. It's less than half an island. [22:44] c7p: bzr add ; bzr commit -m"Helpful message"; bzr push [22:44] c7p: Run 'bzr status' first to make sure it only shows the files you meant to modify. [22:44]