[00:22] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ok, thanks
[00:22] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, epiphany seems to be leaking plugin instances in general with xul 1.9.2 :-/
[01:14] <micahg> bdrung_: should we use the xulrunner backports as an excuse to backport eclipse 3.5 to hardy/jaunty?/
[02:00] <bdrung_> micahg: to backport eclipse 3.5, we need to backport 10 other libraries. i doubt we can do that.
[02:03] <micahg> bdrung_: k, jd-strand thought I should ask
[06:40] <DanaG1> Say, where can I get a compatible lightning-extension and gdata-provider?
[06:41] <DanaG1> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1463762.html
[06:41] <DanaG1> I try using 1.0b1 of lightning, and I have to find "contrib" x86_64 builds.
[06:41] <DanaG1> gdata_provider is only compatible with "3.0" (meaning 3.0.0).
[06:41] <DanaG1> And when I tweak the RDF to 3.0.*, it installs... but says "Requires additional items."
[06:43] <DanaG1> Unfortunately, Mozilla themselves fail to do x86_64 at all themselves.  Grr!
[06:46] <DanaG1> argh, looks like I'll have to go to 3.1 instead.
[06:58] <DanaG1> And even the nightly updater isn't compatible with 3.1a2pre!
[06:59] <DanaG1> "Lightning" could not be installed because it is not compatible with your Shredder build type (Linux_x86_64-gcc3). Please contact the author of this item about the problem.
[06:59] <DanaG1> Damnit, Mozilla!
[06:59] <DanaG1> Excuse the swearing, but yeah, fail.
[07:00] <DanaG1>         <em:minVersion>3.1</em:minVersion>
[07:00] <DanaG1>         <em:maxVersion>3.1.*</em:maxVersion>
[07:02] <DanaG1> 3.1a1pre doesn't fit in that range!
[07:07] <DanaG1> oh, and gdata-provider doesn't work... you enter "google calendar" and it asks you for a "location", with no clue of what format to use.
[07:09] <DanaG1> ah, "xml".
[07:36] <DanaG1> say, since 3.1 is officially out, where can we get debs?
[07:37] <DanaG1> ah, looks like ubuntu-mozilla-daily hasn't created a new Thunderbird in, oh, THIS YEAR.
[07:38] <DanaG1> wow.
[07:56]  * DanaG1 gives up and installs a 32-bit thunderbird in /opt
[12:23] <gnomefreak> it seems that tb3 will be supported significantly less than 6 months
[12:44] <gnomefreak> firefox4 is just about ready to release b1 i thought 3.4 == 4.0 i know 3.7 has some parts to fx 4
[12:45] <gnomefreak> 3.7 even
[13:06] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: that is what I knew too
[13:14] <gnomefreak> I'm not real sure what is going on now. i thought i knew
[13:14] <gnomefreak> also didnt know they name releases after beaches
[13:23] <gnomefreak> why do i think jaunty == EOLS
[13:23] <gnomefreak> morning micahg
[13:23] <micahg> morning gnomefreak, ^^ after maverick release :)
[13:24] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks :)
[13:31] <nikolam> micahg, SM was dropping so often, so I installed SM from Joe Lesko PPA. Today SM 2 2.05 landed at him.
[13:32] <micahg> nikolam: k, sorry, we have 2.0.5 in the security PPA and probably will land in the archive monday or tuesday, but the issue isn't fixed yet
[13:33] <gnomefreak> micahg: is Maverick package in the security PPA
[13:33] <micahg> gnomefreak: for Seamonkey, probably not
[13:33] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks
[13:33] <micahg> gnomefreak: hopefully in another 1.5 weeks, I'll get upload rights and Maverick will start getting those earlier
[13:34] <gnomefreak> micahg: going up for Motu?
[13:34] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, I have my own package set :)
[13:34] <gnomefreak> ah
[13:35] <micahg> gnomefreak: if I went for MOTU, I wouldn't get anything else done :)
[13:35] <gnomefreak> good point
[13:35] <gnomefreak> anyone care to try to reproduce bug 598040
[13:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 598040 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "Google Streetview detects Flash isn't version 10 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/598040
[13:36] <gnomefreak> I'm not seeing it assuming i am doing it right
[13:37] <micahg> gnomefreak: user can't read package version :)
[13:37] <gnomefreak> ;)
[13:38] <micahg> gnomefreak: you can check with the security team, but I think they'll stay with flash 9 until it's EOL and then move to whatever is current
[13:39] <micahg> gnomefreak: in fact, I suggest asking before replying with such things :)
[13:39] <gnomefreak> micahg: they will more than likely. it was a pain in the ass to backport it to Hardy
[13:39] <gnomefreak> i had filed that bug and i can recall the # and i stopped getting mail from it
[13:40] <gnomefreak> micahg: is there a security team or more of a find someone and ask
[13:40] <mdeslaur> gnomefreak: I'm here
[13:40] <mdeslaur> gnomefreak: I'll reply to the bug
[13:40] <gnomefreak> mdeslaur: thanks
[13:41] <gnomefreak> that was almost too easy :)
[13:41] <micahg> mdeslaur: what TZ are you in?
[13:41] <gnomefreak> unrelated question, what/where is Zulu time?
[13:42] <mdeslaur> micahg: EDT
[13:42] <micahg> mdeslaur: ah, ok
[13:43] <micahg> gnomefreak: UTC
[13:43] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i've been looking at this epiphany issue today (leaving totem-plugin-viewer running)
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> it's actually a bigger problem than that
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> epiphany seems to be leaking all plugin instances :(
[13:50] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: erk
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> so, i'm trying to figure out how that's meant to work atm
[13:51] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: thanks :)
[13:55] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i'm not sure i'll be able to figure it out for monday though ;)
[13:55] <chrisccoulson> there's quite a bit to figure out
[13:55] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: have you talked to upstream? would they care?
[13:55] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I'm willing to go to Tuesday, fwiw
[13:56] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i don't think they would. they're only maintaining the webkit backend now
[13:57] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I wonder if someone from IRC could at least help point you in the right direction...
[13:57] <jdstrand> s/IRC/upstream on IRC/
[14:04] <BUGabundo> ahah
[14:04] <BUGabundo> https://www.google.com/accounts/UpdateAccountRecoveryOptions
[14:05] <BUGabundo> SNAPs chromium
[14:39] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: btw, the fix for "can't find media with HTML files using file://" works well here :)
[14:40] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - cool, that's good :)
[14:56] <Lantizia> Hey, where can I get a mozilla branded Thunderbird 3.1 ubuntu package from?
[14:59] <Lantizia> I notice there is now a https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/thunderbird-stable
[14:59] <Lantizia> But only 3.0.5 is in there... not sure how new 3.1 is but I need it for Lightning
[15:00] <Lantizia> Ah new as in... yesterday lol
[15:02]  * Lantizia uses 3.0.4 and Lightning 1.0b1 for now
[15:02] <Lantizia> I assume 3.1 will appear in that PPA though before long?
[15:09] <gnomefreak> Lantizia: right now there are issues we need to handle with 3.1 and we removed it from the daily PPA. we will get it done most likely after we update Firefox tot all supported Ubuntu releases
[15:09] <gnomefreak> lightning is a different story
[15:10] <Lantizia> gnomefreak, well I'm not asking the ubuntu mozilla team to handle lightning - it is just an extention after all
[15:10] <Lantizia> But 3.1 came out yesterday and mozilla claim stable, so I can understand if there were issues with a non-stable build being in the thunderbird-stable PPA
[15:10] <Lantizia> But now it is stable surely the issues will have gone away?
[15:11] <gnomefreak> Lantizia: it is a mozilla package and we have to strip the source down as we are not supporting sunbird anymore
[15:11] <Lantizia> What does sunbird have to do with any of this?
[15:11] <Lantizia> Forget I even mentioned lightning
[15:11] <gnomefreak> Lantizia: it was one of the packages i maintained. we have alog of work to do in short time. but pushing firefox is #1 on our list
[15:12] <gnomefreak> Lantizia: the source package is lightning-sunbird it holds both
[15:12] <Lantizia> Thunderbird gets kept on the shit tip as usual then because of Firefox
[15:12] <gnomefreak> firefox security is more inpmortant than ANYTHING atm
[15:12] <gnomefreak> thinderbird-3.1 is just about last on our list
[15:13] <Lantizia> Sure because that makes a whole world of sense... Mozilla's main two products Firefox & Thunderbird, once brothers ... now alienated cousins... And Thunderbird is LAST on your list?
[15:13] <Lantizia> I don't think this would be the situation if Canonical swapped Evolution out for Thunderbird
[15:14] <gnomefreak> unstable thunderbird is.
[15:14] <Lantizia> That is of course if Thunderbird ever got the right tender loving care that it isn't getting
[15:14] <Lantizia> I'm not about unstable thunderbird I'm on about stable
[15:14] <Lantizia> 3.1 is stable, now
[15:14] <gnomefreak> thunderbird 3.1 we will be working on and btw thunderbird follows seamonky not firefox
[15:15] <gnomefreak> no it isnt
[15:15] <gnomefreak> IIRC beta1
[15:15] <Lantizia> No it went stable yesterday
[15:15] <Lantizia> http://www.mozillamessaging.com
[15:15] <gnomefreak> than we will get to it but feel free to package it and submit it for us to look over
[15:16] <Lantizia> Well now you're aware that it has gone stable, doesn't that change the priorites so it's not last?  Maybe middle? :)
[15:16] <Lantizia> I know I know I Know... Firefox first... but surely not Thunderbird last
[15:16] <gnomefreak> we have ~5 people maintaing/packageing for all mozilla product. we try our best tio get everything done
[15:16] <gnomefreak> Lantizia: not last
[15:16] <Lantizia> Thunderbird second surely!
[15:17] <gnomefreak> we are putting lightning last IIRC
[15:17] <Lantizia> I don't care about Ubuntu packaging lightning... thats just dumb IMO
[15:18] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: care to take this over i have alot of work to do afk i know you are bustiong your ass with the totem and freiends
[15:18] <gnomefreak> Lantizia: it has to be done. your opinion on it is small to the people that use it
[15:19] <gnomefreak> Lantizia: we will get it done as soon as we can. if you or someone else wants to help out feel free
[15:19] <Lantizia> gnomefreak, yes the people who use it is bigger than my opinion - hence why it shouldn't be last :)
[15:20] <chrisccoulson> Lantizia, the small number of people involved with the mozillateam are busy on getting firefox 3.6.4 out to all ubuntu releases atm
[15:20] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: tried that already :)
[15:20] <gnomefreak> be back as soon as i get time
[15:21] <chrisccoulson> tb 3.1 is a lower priority than that. however, if you need it now, then feel free to help us out
[15:21] <Lantizia> Oh I know it's important - I especially like the idea of no flash plugins crashing my browser
[15:21] <chrisccoulson> we just don't have the manpower to do that immediately
[15:21] <Lantizia> But you didn't even know 3.1 TB was stable
[15:21] <Lantizia> And said it would be last
[15:21] <chrisccoulson> Lantizia, we're well aware that it is stable
[15:21] <Lantizia> he wasn't!
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> well, i am (and so is micahg)
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> we just don't have the time to work on it right now, so i'm sorry about that
[15:22] <Lantizia> ok so TB 3.1 after FX 3.6.4 ?
[15:22] <gnomefreak> i havent checked my mozilla email so i wouldnt have knon until i did
[15:23] <gnomefreak> ok going to put lawnmower back to gether
[15:23] <chrisccoulson> Lantizia, yes, probably. and we will be most -likely preparing to publish 3.1 to lucid too
[15:23] <Lantizia> o_O I thought you wouldn't do that
[15:23] <chrisccoulson> well, support for 3.0 may not last much longer, but lucid is supported for nearly 3 more years
[15:23] <Lantizia> thought they stay in major versions
[15:24] <Lantizia> ok
[15:28] <chrisccoulson> Lantizia, for firefox, we follow major versions in stable releases once the current release becomes EOL now
[15:28] <Lantizia> ok
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> we haven't really properly adopted that policy for thunderbird, but i'm not sure it makes sense to try and maintain a piece of software on our own for 2.5 years (ie, tb3.0)
[15:32] <gnomefreak> sorry wrong part drive shaft not engine yet
[15:32] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: IIRC we are treating thunderbirrd seamonkey than firefox the same when it comes to updates
[15:33] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, yeah, that's true. although the releases with tb2 aren't being updated, as the maintenance burden is considered to be quite low
[15:34] <gnomefreak> we;; tb2 is no longer supported and tb3 has less that 6 months from release
[15:34]  * gnomefreak not real sure why tb3 doesnt do full 6month support
[15:34] <gnomefreak> well
[15:35] <gnomefreak> we have 1 year till EOLS for hardy so i dont think passing 3.0 to hardy matters too much
[15:36] <gnomefreak> not to mention it will be a pain in the ass, but that is just me. we should be telling people to upgrade to Lucid
[15:37]  * gnomefreak checking mmozilla email
[15:47] <ddecator> oh, micah isn't on..
[15:55] <ddecator> dang, i have to go. he'll see the email eventually, but when he gets on can someone let him know i fixed FF 3.7? thanks :)
[15:57] <gnomefreak> ddecator: if im here i will
[16:03] <fta> ddecator, just saw your merge request, a/ we don't document rebases, there are too many and it brings no value for the user, b/ your patches have a lower context than ours
[16:04] <BUGabundo> hello dear fabien
[16:04] <fta> ddecator, and thanks btw ;)
[16:04] <fta> BUGabundo, hi
[16:05] <fta> ddecator, my .quiltrc has QUILT_DIFF_OPTS="-U8 -b" & QUILT_REFRESH_ARGS="--diffstat -U8 --strip-trailing-whitespace"
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - ok, i think i'm getting myself confused. epiphany isn't leaking plugin instances, i think gdb is being funny ;)
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> the problem only seems to concern closing down
[17:02] <jdstrand> well, that's good
[18:07] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - a clue might be that gtk_moz_embed_destroy is never invoked when shutting down with xul192
[18:07] <chrisccoulson> that seems to be what cleaned everything up before
[18:12] <DanaG> hmm, latest version of Thunderbird (3.1 release) isn't in ubuntu-mozilla-daily.
[18:12] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+packages
[18:12] <DanaG> Last build was on January 1.
[18:36] <cousin_mario> hello
[18:37] <cousin_mario> do you think thunderbird 3.1 will be available in the official or backports repositories for lucid anytime soon?
[18:40] <chrisccoulson> nxvl - i'm not sure if you've been following  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Firefox3.6.4Upgrade/SecurityPublication at ll
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> you should probably have a look through it if not
[18:41] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: yup, i'm subscribed
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> nxvl - cool
[18:42] <chrisccoulson> cousin_mario, lucid may get 3.1 as 3.0 approaches EOL
[18:43] <cousin_mario> chrisccoulson: which it won't be anytime soon, I suppose...
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> cousin_mario, that might be sooner than you think
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> but we're all busy on firefox atm
[18:44] <cousin_mario> chrisccoulson: oh
[18:44] <cousin_mario> chrisccoulson: can you give a ballpark figure?
[18:44] <chrisccoulson> cousin_mario, not really
[18:46] <cousin_mario> chrisccoulson: ok, thanks
[18:48] <cousin_mario> bye
[19:43] <[reed]> said this elsewhere, but I'll say it here, too
[19:43] <[reed]> any Makefile experts around, Firefox could use your assistance -- http://christian.legnitto.com/blog/2010/06/25/are-you-a-makefile-guru-would-you-like-to-make-firefox-more-secure/
[19:51] <fta> lol, asking a linux group to fix a non-gnu makefile bug, go ask the windows community
[19:52] <[reed]> no
[19:52] <[reed]> well
[19:52] <[reed]> sure, ASLR is a Windows thing
[19:52] <[reed]> but the Linux community could implement it as well
[19:52] <[reed]> :)
[21:16] <ddecator> fta: yah i wondered about that. i was having trouble with my .quiltrc so i ended up removing it, i'll add the info you have in yours, thanks :)
[21:17] <ddecator> i'll fix it tonight when i get back from dinner, bbl
[22:18] <bobby> Anyone know if there is a date for 4.0 beta?
[22:38] <micahg> hi ddecator