[00:49] <Nitsuga> someone else has a big memory leak from nowhere?
[00:50] <Nitsuga> gnome-system-monitor reports 2,1 GB used, and when i add up al the "memory" values in the processes tab (I'm showing all users processes) It is less than a gigabyte
[01:14] <patdk-wk> nitsuga, I notice that, but only after a initrd/ureadahead update
[01:14] <patdk-wk> if I reboot again, it's back to normal
[03:25] <Jordan_U> Where can I get a daily alternate install CD for maverick? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ is empty.
[03:25] <psusi> say umm... is anyone still having the power manager and bluetooth icons show up on the indicator applet when they shouldnt?
[03:27] <Jordan_U> Alternately, is it possible to install to a btrfs root from the Desktop CD?
[05:00] <gwhip> i only have mail in evolution in maverick, no calendar or anything else
[06:09] <Jordan_U> Where can I find daily alternate install CD isos?
[06:09] <bazhang> Jordan_U, there was a delay in posting them I had heard
[06:11] <Jordan_U> bazhang: I can't even find any old ones (I just need one new enough to have the option to install to a btrfs root)
[06:11] <bazhang> Jordan_U, yep, many have been looking for them the past two days
[06:12] <Jordan_U> :(
[06:12]  * Jordan_U wonders if he can create his own with jigdo.
[06:17] <Jordan_U> http://cdimage.xubuntu.com/ "It works!"...
[08:49] <geser> Jordan_U: the alternate images are there now but oversized (if you planned to burn them on a CD)
[08:49] <gwhip> the evolution install in maverick is only showing mail
[08:50] <Jordan_U> geser: Is there a netinstall image?
[08:54] <geser> I don't know of any, but there is a netboot directory: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[09:01] <Jordan_U> geser: Thanks.
[09:50] <cwillu> !info liferea
[09:50] <cwillu> !info liferea-data
[09:56] <jfi> Hello, since yesderday I fail installing liferea: liferea: Depends: liferea-data (= 1.6.3-1ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[09:56] <jfi> I guess that is a temporary issue that maintenair already know and don't need to be reported
[09:57] <cwillu> jfi, sorry, that was more of an "in the future" thing :p
[09:58] <cwillu> if you still can't install it by monday, file a bug
[09:58] <cwillu> although make sure you update your package lists before each attempt
[09:58] <jfi> of course I do:)
[10:02] <cwillu> fixing bugs while drunk is _fun_!  \o/
[10:03] <cwillu> brb
[10:54] <DrHalan> nvidia-current just broke for me..
[10:54] <DrHalan> or is x using nouveau by default?
[10:55] <arand> Unless you've installed the nvidia blob it is
[10:56] <DrHalan> i have installed the nvidia blob
[10:56] <DrHalan> if you mean nvidia-current wit it
[10:57] <arand> Then I guess nvidia would be used and nouveau blacklisted. THe configuration which comes with that installation.
[10:58] <arand> If you're using the blob I think you'll have a custom xorg.conf ...
[11:02] <DrHalan> mh i don't know i even reinstalled nvidia-current and updated to the new kernel but didn't helpß
[11:04] <arand> Woho, alternate is up! icantbelieveitsnotbutter!
[11:07] <DrHalan> mh?
[11:13] <DrHalan> im thinking about just removing nouveau..but the kernel modules stay anyways right?
[11:32] <Ian_corne> oops :p
[12:38] <BUGabundo> great...
[12:38] <BUGabundo> gwibber fixed
[12:38] <BUGabundo> broken the next day
[12:39] <BUGabundo> I'm starting to think this is a race condition
[12:48] <DrHalan> may be
[12:49] <DrHalan> i would like to see my nvidia stuff to work again
[12:49] <BUGabundo> wfm
[12:51] <DrHalan> ?
[12:51] <BUGabundo> Works For Me (nvidia)
[12:54] <DrHalan> ah okay
[12:54] <DrHalan> well i have nvidia-current installed but it boots nouveau
[12:54] <DrHalan> and the 3d performance really sucks... cant use docky nor compiz
[12:57] <DrHalan> are you using proprietary or nouvau BUGabundo?
[12:58] <BUGabundo> blob
[12:58] <BUGabundo> are you using Jockey?
[12:58] <DrHalan> yeah and it says "driver installed but not in use"
[12:58] <BUGabundo> activate it ?
[12:59] <BUGabundo> time for some sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade love?
[13:04] <DrHalan> xorg.conf even has even set nvidia as driver
[13:05] <DrHalan> but this is more a kernel related issue i guess :P
[13:06] <htorque> do you have a /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf file?
[13:07] <DrHalan> jap
[13:07] <DrHalan> lets see whats in it
[13:07] <DrHalan> it blacklists nouveau and the drivers < current
[13:08] <htorque> hm, i have the same
[13:08] <htorque> does 'dkms status' list nvidia-current for the kernel you use?
[13:10] <DrHalan> jap
[13:10] <htorque> then i'm outta ideas, sorry :(
[13:10] <DrHalan> grub bootet mit into 2.6.35-5 instead of -6 dunno why o.O
[13:11] <DrHalan> i have a general problem with grub btw. it directly boots instead of giving me a second or so to choose
[13:11] <DrHalan> i think startupmanager doesn't work with grub2 properly
[13:12] <htorque> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Where did my Grub2 boot menu go!?!?!
[13:14] <htorque> the whole thing is the url :P
[13:14] <DrHalan> oh okay
[13:14] <DrHalan> thinaks
[13:14] <DrHalan> ah i see the problem my grub has both timeout and hidden timeout
[13:15] <DrHalan> i have a lot of memory leak warnings when i call update-grub
[13:15] <DrHalan> is that normal?
[13:16] <DrHalan> brb try rebooting ^^
[13:19] <DrHalan> strange grubs still doesnt show up. but at least it booted into the new kernel
[13:19] <DrHalan> still not using nvidia but nouveau is a lot faster now. can live with that
[14:50] <sebsebseb> Hi
[14:52] <penguin42> hi
[14:52] <sebsebseb> penguin42: hi
[14:52] <vish> !ping
[14:52] <vish> hmm , someone pls highlight me :D
[14:52] <avu> vish, no
[14:52] <sebsebseb> vish: bing
[14:53] <sebsebseb> vish: bong
[14:53] <vish> thanks :)
[14:53] <sebsebseb> vish: Why did you want highlighting anyway?
[14:53] <vish> testing if it worked right..
[14:54] <sebsebseb> oh right been messing around with your client?
[14:54] <vish> seemed like i had a bit of a problem with xchat , but it works fine :)
[14:54] <sebsebseb> What problem?
[14:54] <vish> thought i was not getting alert notices/sounds
[14:54] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[14:57] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Do you happen to know, now that the free Radeon driver pretty much works solidly, is there any other interesting improvments happening to it?
[14:58] <sebsebseb> penguin42: no I don't use ATI, but I know they released a new propritary driver recently
[14:58] <penguin42> sebsebseb: I'm quite happy on the free one, although I don't do any heavy 3D stuff
[14:59] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[15:00] <penguin42> It'd be nice to try some of the OpenCL stuff sometime though
[15:00] <sebsebseb> penguin42: What is this OpenCL anyway?
[15:00] <penguin42> sebsebseb: programming language to drive the hardware in a GPU to do parallel programming stuff rather than graphics
[15:01] <sebsebseb> parallel programming stuff?
[15:01] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Yeh, the graphics cards typically are a few hundred specialised Floating Point processors with a bunch of fast RAM attached - you can misuse them to do high performance compute stuff
[15:02] <sebsebseb> folating point processors?
[15:02] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Do you know about the vertex and pixel shaders?
[15:03] <sebsebseb> nope I guess not, since I don't know much about graphics cards
[15:03] <penguin42> sebsebseb: OK my understanding is they're little processors you can load a program into; the program might do something like the maths to do a really cool texture or wiggle the surface of a solid to be bumpy
[16:39] <Ian_corne> I want my % in the battery indicator back!
[16:39] <Ian_corne> damnit
[17:32] <vish> hmm , so Unity does not work in virtual box?
[17:36] <penguin42> vish: Out of interest what do you see?
[17:36] <vish> penguin42: nothing :(
[17:36] <penguin42> black screen?
[17:37] <vish> it doesnt do anything  ,i just see the wallpaper
[17:37] <vish> no launcher/dock
[17:37] <Ian_corne> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/598849
[17:40] <Ian_corne> patdk-wk: can you confirm?
[19:19] <Volkodav> anybody compiled Thunderbird 3.1 for 64 bit yet ?
[19:49] <penguin42> Ian_corne: Can you define 'used' in that bug report?
[20:02] <Ian_corne> I rebooted my laptop already, but got an unrebooted box
[20:03] <Ian_corne> It's really used, but it doesn't show in top which application, so it must be something kernel memory?
[20:04] <penguin42> it would be good to include the output of I guess free and say /proc/slabinfo that if it's kernel I think should show where
[20:05] <Ian_corne> ok
[20:06] <Ian_corne> http://pastebin.com/ZwwE0J3r
[20:08] <Ian_corne> responded
[20:11] <penguin42> Ian_corne: I mean that's 1200-764 buffers/cache - which isn't too bad
[20:12] <Ian_corne> it's still way to much
[20:12] <Ian_corne> for what it should be
[20:12] <Ian_corne> A normal boot uses 150mb
[20:12] <Ian_corne> a boot after an update uses 750mb
[20:12] <Ian_corne> and that's without cache
[20:14] <penguin42> I'd include the output of ps -eaf or the like in there as well so people can see what the actual discrepency is
[20:14] <BUGabundo> evening
[20:14] <BUGabundo> need a bit of Audio help
[20:14] <BUGabundo> and crimsun_ is not around
[20:14] <BUGabundo> how do I make a second sound card?
[20:14] <BUGabundo> like a virtual one?
[20:16] <Ian_corne> done penguin42
[20:16] <Ian_corne> should I reboot now and show what the situation is like on a normal boot?
[20:16] <BUGabundo> jpds: how much disk space for an offline mirror of the archive, for a single release/arch?
[20:18] <penguin42> Ian_corne: Sorry, can you try with a capital F - it includes memory usage
[20:19] <Ian_corne> cdone :)
[20:21] <BUGabundo> anyone knows?
[20:21] <Ian_corne> BUGabundo: I tried to check but I've got no idea how to check :p
[20:21] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:23] <penguin42> Ian_corne: So by eye I guess there's about 250-300MB shown in that process list, and 760MB of buffers, so about 300MB not accounted for?
[20:24] <Ian_corne> yeah something like that
[20:28] <Ian_corne> I've added the same files after another reboot
[20:29]  * penguin42 can't see anything more than about 30MB in the slabinfo
[20:29] <penguin42> Ian_corne: Any idea how long stuff on pastebin stays around?
[20:29] <Ian_corne> no
[20:29] <Ian_corne> long time i guess
[20:29] <Ian_corne> want me to put the files into textfiles?
[20:30] <penguin42> Not sure, I suspect it will be easier for whoever eventually debugs it
[20:31] <penguin42> Ian_corne: So on that second boot, it's not actually that much different on the output of free
[20:32] <Ian_corne> 7xxmb compared to 2xx mb
[20:32] <Ian_corne> so 500 mb difference
[20:32] <Ian_corne> that's a whole lot, no?
[20:33] <penguin42> Ian_corne: Well 1st one is 1209-764=445, 2nd is 821-235=586
[20:33] <penguin42> Ian_corne: High buffers is not bad
[20:33] <penguin42> if anything wants it it'll get pushed out
[20:34] <Ian_corne> hmm
[20:34] <Ian_corne> I'm not seeing this
[20:34] <Ian_corne> -/+ buffers/cache: 764 2385
[20:34] <Ian_corne> -/+ buffers/cache: 235 2913
[20:34] <Ian_corne> so the real usage is 764mb for the first
[20:34] <Ian_corne> and 235 for the second,
[20:34] <Ian_corne> no?
[20:35] <penguin42> no, those are just temporary (I can't honestly remember what the difference is between buffer and cache)
[20:35] <Ian_corne> well, anyways, my laptop laggs ALOT after the first reboot
[20:36] <Ian_corne> because so much more memory is used
[20:37] <penguin42> it's not because of that buffers/cache line I'm fairly sure - I suspect during the early boot it's doing something ith the disc a lot and that's why so much is in memory, but if you ened the memory ofr anything else that will disappear
[20:38] <Ian_corne> Hmm
[20:38] <Ian_corne> why does it keep lagging then?
[20:38] <penguin42> ah, well that's a good question
[20:38] <Ian_corne> It really stays at high memory usage
[20:39] <Ian_corne> and doesn't free space for more cache
[20:39] <Ian_corne> which is pretty vital in a netbook with a slow hdd
[20:41] <Ian_corne> If a process leaks, and is terminated, does the leak memory return to free?
[20:41] <Ian_corne> or does it remain there?
[20:42] <penguin42> no, if process leaks and the process dies the memory gets freed
[20:42] <zniavre_> good evening
[20:42] <zniavre_> does unity works without composite ?
[20:44] <BUGabundo> Watching The IT Crowd S04E01
[21:07] <pARAd0X85> how to install the last ubuntu Maverick dev with unity desktop ?
[21:43] <poutine> Hello, in power management, 'when battery is critically low' does not have a 'do nothing' option
[21:44] <poutine> how do I disable ANY action on a critically low battery
[21:44] <poutine> I hate when I ninja swap outlets on a very low battery, happy that it worked out, then to discover it goes to hibernate (which doesn't seem to work with my laptop)
[21:45] <penguin42> poutine: Not sure, but can you set what it means by critically?
[21:45] <penguin42> or fix the hibernate
[21:45] <poutine> no, and no
[21:46] <poutine> I just don't want it doing anything, I don't want to turn off power management
[21:46] <poutine> it just seems like someone left out a feature here
[21:46] <penguin42> yeh I can understand that, although I guess it's trying to be protective of itself
[21:46] <poutine> maybe it's just a GUI shortcoming, I'll see if I can work with whatever it's a frontend for
[21:51] <penguin42> I was expecting to find somnething in either udev or pm-utils but can't
[21:53] <DanaG> Say, once I've installed Maverick with ext4, how do I convert to btrfs?
[21:54] <BUGabundo> DanaG: ask patdk-wk
[21:54] <BUGabundo> he _tried_ the other day
[21:54] <BUGabundo> not sure he was that lucky
[21:55] <penguin42> filesystem conversion is pretty much black magic!
[21:56] <BUGabundo> no, that worked fine
[21:57] <BUGabundo> it was the booting that didn't , afterwards
[21:57] <DanaG> ah.  I do have /boot separate.
[21:57] <DanaG> ugh, ubiquity crashed.
[22:01] <DanaG> Crashed with OSError in configure_apt()
[22:05] <DanaG> I'm trying again... if it crashes the same way, I'm going to file a bug.
[22:06] <jpds> BUGabundo: Which release/arch ?
[22:06] <BUGabundo> all still supported
[22:06] <BUGabundo> i386
[22:07] <DanaG> I really wish you could just click in the "mount point" column and get a text cursor right there.
[22:09] <BUGabundo> jpds: ^^^^^^
[22:12] <jpds> BUGabundo: Doing the calculations now. ;)
[22:12] <BUGabundo> :)
[22:16] <DanaG> It's irritating how any time I tell it to mount one partition, the installer thinks it has to rescan all partitions.
[22:16] <DanaG> It makes that step take about 5 times as long as it really should take.
[22:18] <DanaG> Or more like 10 times.
[22:20] <penguin42> Does anyone know where the section in the Ubuntu Software Centre is set?
[22:20] <penguin42> sine stuff in System is not
[22:20] <jpds> BUGabundo: Reading the Size: variables in all the Packages.gz's concerned, that comes out at 199222671402 bytes.
[22:21] <BUGabundo> jpds: arigato
[22:21] <jpds> 185G.
[22:22] <BUGabundo> jpds: do you have any tips on the easier way to mirror it?
[22:22] <BUGabundo> a friend is going on a mission to Africa
[22:23] <jpds> BUGabundo: debmirror should do it.
[22:23] <BUGabundo> and they are now trying to offline a mirror copy
[22:23] <jpds> debmirror lets one specify --arch'es and --releases if I recall correctly.
[22:23] <BUGabundo> jpds: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Offline/Repository aint very helpful
[22:23] <jpds> BUGabundo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror
[22:24] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:24] <BUGabundo> that's outdated too :(
[22:24] <jpds> [Although I don't recommend debmirror for official production mirrors].
[22:26] <jpds> BUGabundo: But it should still work?
[22:26] <BUGabundo> just local, offline
[22:26] <BUGabundo> in the middle of nowhere in africa
[22:26] <jpds> Well, debmirror using that guide should get everything onto a disk.
[22:27] <jpds> Be back in a bit, /me → food.
[22:32] <DanaG> ah, I fixed my ubiquity.
[22:32] <DanaG> sudo rm /target/cdrom
[22:32] <DanaG> It was crashing because /target/cdrom already existed.
[22:32] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:34] <DanaG> And it was a symlink to somewhere.
[22:42] <DanaG> ugh, why does maverick use vga16fb?  vga16fb is hideous!
[22:42] <DanaG> uvesafb looks far, far nicer.
[23:22] <DanaG> Nice garbage on my serial console when I hit escape:
[23:22] <DanaG> [-1;-1f[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f.  .  .  .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f.  .  .  .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f.  .  .  .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f.  .  .  .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f.  .  .  .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f.  .  .  .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f.  .  .  .
[23:31] <penguin42> what are you using as a terminal?
[23:32] <Tekno_> terminator
[23:32]  * penguin42 gulps
[23:38]  * penguin42 suspects those [ are escape codes for positioning, possibly rather confused
[23:42] <DanaG> Plymouth is writing its text-mode splash to both the local console and the serial console.
[23:42] <DanaG> What it really should do, show the GRAPHICAL splash on the local system, and no splash at all on serial!
[23:43] <DanaG> Right now, I have no splash on either... and when I press a key (such as escape), it switches to showing text-splash on both.
[23:43] <penguin42> well, an Ubuntu 10.04 :    would do no harm
[23:43] <DanaG> Well, it does harm by suppressing boot messages.
[23:44] <penguin42> oh, I wouldn't want it to suppress anything
[23:49] <DanaG> hmm, I try to give win7 installer the vboxvideo driver...
[23:49] <DanaG> it failed once... but now it worked.
[23:51] <DanaG> er, wrong channel.
[23:51] <DanaG> It's easy to do that with tabbed chat apps.
[23:56] <BUGabundo> we know
[23:56] <BUGabundo> we all did it once or twice