| Nitsuga | someone else has a big memory leak from nowhere? | 00:49 |
|---|---|---|
| Nitsuga | gnome-system-monitor reports 2,1 GB used, and when i add up al the "memory" values in the processes tab (I'm showing all users processes) It is less than a gigabyte | 00:50 |
| patdk-wk | nitsuga, I notice that, but only after a initrd/ureadahead update | 01:14 |
| patdk-wk | if I reboot again, it's back to normal | 01:14 |
| Jordan_U | Where can I get a daily alternate install CD for maverick? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ is empty. | 03:25 |
| psusi | say umm... is anyone still having the power manager and bluetooth icons show up on the indicator applet when they shouldnt? | 03:25 |
| Jordan_U | Alternately, is it possible to install to a btrfs root from the Desktop CD? | 03:27 |
| gwhip | i only have mail in evolution in maverick, no calendar or anything else | 05:00 |
| Jordan_U | Where can I find daily alternate install CD isos? | 06:09 |
| bazhang | Jordan_U, there was a delay in posting them I had heard | 06:09 |
| Jordan_U | bazhang: I can't even find any old ones (I just need one new enough to have the option to install to a btrfs root) | 06:11 |
| bazhang | Jordan_U, yep, many have been looking for them the past two days | 06:11 |
| Jordan_U | :( | 06:12 |
| * Jordan_U wonders if he can create his own with jigdo. | 06:12 | |
| Jordan_U | http://cdimage.xubuntu.com/ "It works!"... | 06:17 |
| geser | Jordan_U: the alternate images are there now but oversized (if you planned to burn them on a CD) | 08:49 |
| gwhip | the evolution install in maverick is only showing mail | 08:49 |
| Jordan_U | geser: Is there a netinstall image? | 08:50 |
| geser | I don't know of any, but there is a netboot directory: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/ | 08:54 |
| Jordan_U | geser: Thanks. | 09:01 |
| cwillu | !info liferea | 09:50 |
| ubottu | liferea (source: liferea): feed aggregator for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 1.6.3-1ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 229 kB, installed size 756 kB | 09:50 |
| cwillu | !info liferea-data | 09:50 |
| ubottu | liferea-data (source: liferea): architecture independent data for liferea. In component main, is optional. Version 1.6.3-1ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 436 kB, installed size 2784 kB | 09:50 |
| jfi | Hello, since yesderday I fail installing liferea: liferea: Depends: liferea-data (= 1.6.3-1ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed | 09:56 |
| jfi | I guess that is a temporary issue that maintenair already know and don't need to be reported | 09:56 |
| cwillu | jfi, sorry, that was more of an "in the future" thing :p | 09:57 |
| cwillu | if you still can't install it by monday, file a bug | 09:58 |
| cwillu | although make sure you update your package lists before each attempt | 09:58 |
| jfi | of course I do:) | 09:58 |
| cwillu | fixing bugs while drunk is _fun_! \o/ | 10:02 |
| cwillu | brb | 10:03 |
| DrHalan | nvidia-current just broke for me.. | 10:54 |
| DrHalan | or is x using nouveau by default? | 10:54 |
| arand | Unless you've installed the nvidia blob it is | 10:55 |
| DrHalan | i have installed the nvidia blob | 10:56 |
| DrHalan | if you mean nvidia-current wit it | 10:56 |
| arand | Then I guess nvidia would be used and nouveau blacklisted. THe configuration which comes with that installation. | 10:57 |
| arand | If you're using the blob I think you'll have a custom xorg.conf ... | 10:58 |
| DrHalan | mh i don't know i even reinstalled nvidia-current and updated to the new kernel but didn't helpß | 11:02 |
| arand | Woho, alternate is up! icantbelieveitsnotbutter! | 11:04 |
| DrHalan | mh? | 11:07 |
| DrHalan | im thinking about just removing nouveau..but the kernel modules stay anyways right? | 11:13 |
| Ian_corne | oops :p | 11:32 |
| BUGabundo | great... | 12:38 |
| BUGabundo | gwibber fixed | 12:38 |
| BUGabundo | broken the next day | 12:38 |
| BUGabundo | I'm starting to think this is a race condition | 12:39 |
| DrHalan | may be | 12:48 |
| DrHalan | i would like to see my nvidia stuff to work again | 12:49 |
| BUGabundo | wfm | 12:49 |
| DrHalan | ? | 12:51 |
| BUGabundo | Works For Me (nvidia) | 12:51 |
| DrHalan | ah okay | 12:54 |
| DrHalan | well i have nvidia-current installed but it boots nouveau | 12:54 |
| DrHalan | and the 3d performance really sucks... cant use docky nor compiz | 12:54 |
| DrHalan | are you using proprietary or nouvau BUGabundo? | 12:57 |
| BUGabundo | blob | 12:58 |
| BUGabundo | are you using Jockey? | 12:58 |
| DrHalan | yeah and it says "driver installed but not in use" | 12:58 |
| BUGabundo | activate it ? | 12:58 |
| BUGabundo | time for some sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade love? | 12:59 |
| DrHalan | xorg.conf even has even set nvidia as driver | 13:04 |
| DrHalan | but this is more a kernel related issue i guess :P | 13:05 |
| htorque | do you have a /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf file? | 13:06 |
| DrHalan | jap | 13:07 |
| DrHalan | lets see whats in it | 13:07 |
| === BUGabundo is now known as BUGabundo_lunch | ||
| DrHalan | it blacklists nouveau and the drivers < current | 13:07 |
| htorque | hm, i have the same | 13:08 |
| htorque | does 'dkms status' list nvidia-current for the kernel you use? | 13:08 |
| DrHalan | jap | 13:10 |
| htorque | then i'm outta ideas, sorry :( | 13:10 |
| DrHalan | grub bootet mit into 2.6.35-5 instead of -6 dunno why o.O | 13:10 |
| DrHalan | i have a general problem with grub btw. it directly boots instead of giving me a second or so to choose | 13:11 |
| DrHalan | i think startupmanager doesn't work with grub2 properly | 13:11 |
| htorque | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Where did my Grub2 boot menu go!?!?! | 13:12 |
| htorque | the whole thing is the url :P | 13:14 |
| === ubott2 is now known as ubottu | ||
| DrHalan | oh okay | 13:14 |
| DrHalan | thinaks | 13:14 |
| DrHalan | ah i see the problem my grub has both timeout and hidden timeout | 13:14 |
| DrHalan | i have a lot of memory leak warnings when i call update-grub | 13:15 |
| DrHalan | is that normal? | 13:15 |
| DrHalan | brb try rebooting ^^ | 13:16 |
| DrHalan | strange grubs still doesnt show up. but at least it booted into the new kernel | 13:19 |
| DrHalan | still not using nvidia but nouveau is a lot faster now. can live with that | 13:19 |
| === BUGabundo_lunch is now known as BUGabundo | ||
| sebsebseb | Hi | 14:50 |
| penguin42 | hi | 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: hi | 14:52 |
| vish | !ping | 14:52 |
| ubottu | pong | 14:52 |
| vish | hmm , someone pls highlight me :D | 14:52 |
| avu | vish, no | 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | vish: bing | 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | vish: bong | 14:53 |
| vish | thanks :) | 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | vish: Why did you want highlighting anyway? | 14:53 |
| vish | testing if it worked right.. | 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | oh right been messing around with your client? | 14:54 |
| vish | seemed like i had a bit of a problem with xchat , but it works fine :) | 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | What problem? | 14:54 |
| vish | thought i was not getting alert notices/sounds | 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | 14:54 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: Do you happen to know, now that the free Radeon driver pretty much works solidly, is there any other interesting improvments happening to it? | 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: no I don't use ATI, but I know they released a new propritary driver recently | 14:58 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: I'm quite happy on the free one, although I don't do any heavy 3D stuff | 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | 14:59 |
| penguin42 | It'd be nice to try some of the OpenCL stuff sometime though | 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: What is this OpenCL anyway? | 15:00 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: programming language to drive the hardware in a GPU to do parallel programming stuff rather than graphics | 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | parallel programming stuff? | 15:01 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: Yeh, the graphics cards typically are a few hundred specialised Floating Point processors with a bunch of fast RAM attached - you can misuse them to do high performance compute stuff | 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | folating point processors? | 15:02 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: Do you know about the vertex and pixel shaders? | 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | nope I guess not, since I don't know much about graphics cards | 15:03 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: OK my understanding is they're little processors you can load a program into; the program might do something like the maths to do a really cool texture or wiggle the surface of a solid to be bumpy | 15:03 |
| Ian_corne | I want my % in the battery indicator back! | 16:39 |
| Ian_corne | damnit | 16:39 |
| vish | hmm , so Unity does not work in virtual box? | 17:32 |
| penguin42 | vish: Out of interest what do you see? | 17:36 |
| vish | penguin42: nothing :( | 17:36 |
| penguin42 | black screen? | 17:36 |
| vish | it doesnt do anything ,i just see the wallpaper | 17:37 |
| vish | no launcher/dock | 17:37 |
| Ian_corne | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/598849 | 17:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 598849 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "After reboot after update, alot more memory is used" [Undecided,New] | 17:37 |
| Ian_corne | patdk-wk: can you confirm? | 17:40 |
| Volkodav | anybody compiled Thunderbird 3.1 for 64 bit yet ? | 19:19 |
| penguin42 | Ian_corne: Can you define 'used' in that bug report? | 19:49 |
| Ian_corne | I rebooted my laptop already, but got an unrebooted box | 20:02 |
| Ian_corne | It's really used, but it doesn't show in top which application, so it must be something kernel memory? | 20:03 |
| penguin42 | it would be good to include the output of I guess free and say /proc/slabinfo that if it's kernel I think should show where | 20:04 |
| Ian_corne | ok | 20:05 |
| Ian_corne | http://pastebin.com/ZwwE0J3r | 20:06 |
| Ian_corne | responded | 20:08 |
| penguin42 | Ian_corne: I mean that's 1200-764 buffers/cache - which isn't too bad | 20:11 |
| Ian_corne | it's still way to much | 20:12 |
| Ian_corne | for what it should be | 20:12 |
| Ian_corne | A normal boot uses 150mb | 20:12 |
| Ian_corne | a boot after an update uses 750mb | 20:12 |
| Ian_corne | and that's without cache | 20:12 |
| penguin42 | I'd include the output of ps -eaf or the like in there as well so people can see what the actual discrepency is | 20:14 |
| BUGabundo | evening | 20:14 |
| BUGabundo | need a bit of Audio help | 20:14 |
| BUGabundo | and crimsun_ is not around | 20:14 |
| BUGabundo | how do I make a second sound card? | 20:14 |
| BUGabundo | like a virtual one? | 20:14 |
| Ian_corne | done penguin42 | 20:16 |
| Ian_corne | should I reboot now and show what the situation is like on a normal boot? | 20:16 |
| BUGabundo | jpds: how much disk space for an offline mirror of the archive, for a single release/arch? | 20:16 |
| penguin42 | Ian_corne: Sorry, can you try with a capital F - it includes memory usage | 20:18 |
| Ian_corne | cdone :) | 20:19 |
| BUGabundo | anyone knows? | 20:21 |
| Ian_corne | BUGabundo: I tried to check but I've got no idea how to check :p | 20:21 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 20:21 |
| penguin42 | Ian_corne: So by eye I guess there's about 250-300MB shown in that process list, and 760MB of buffers, so about 300MB not accounted for? | 20:23 |
| Ian_corne | yeah something like that | 20:24 |
| Ian_corne | I've added the same files after another reboot | 20:28 |
| * penguin42 can't see anything more than about 30MB in the slabinfo | 20:29 | |
| penguin42 | Ian_corne: Any idea how long stuff on pastebin stays around? | 20:29 |
| Ian_corne | no | 20:29 |
| Ian_corne | long time i guess | 20:29 |
| Ian_corne | want me to put the files into textfiles? | 20:29 |
| penguin42 | Not sure, I suspect it will be easier for whoever eventually debugs it | 20:30 |
| penguin42 | Ian_corne: So on that second boot, it's not actually that much different on the output of free | 20:31 |
| Ian_corne | 7xxmb compared to 2xx mb | 20:32 |
| Ian_corne | so 500 mb difference | 20:32 |
| Ian_corne | that's a whole lot, no? | 20:32 |
| penguin42 | Ian_corne: Well 1st one is 1209-764=445, 2nd is 821-235=586 | 20:33 |
| penguin42 | Ian_corne: High buffers is not bad | 20:33 |
| penguin42 | if anything wants it it'll get pushed out | 20:33 |
| Ian_corne | hmm | 20:34 |
| Ian_corne | I'm not seeing this | 20:34 |
| Ian_corne | -/+ buffers/cache: 764 2385 | 20:34 |
| Ian_corne | -/+ buffers/cache: 235 2913 | 20:34 |
| Ian_corne | so the real usage is 764mb for the first | 20:34 |
| Ian_corne | and 235 for the second, | 20:34 |
| Ian_corne | no? | 20:34 |
| penguin42 | no, those are just temporary (I can't honestly remember what the difference is between buffer and cache) | 20:35 |
| Ian_corne | well, anyways, my laptop laggs ALOT after the first reboot | 20:35 |
| Ian_corne | because so much more memory is used | 20:36 |
| penguin42 | it's not because of that buffers/cache line I'm fairly sure - I suspect during the early boot it's doing something ith the disc a lot and that's why so much is in memory, but if you ened the memory ofr anything else that will disappear | 20:37 |
| Ian_corne | Hmm | 20:38 |
| Ian_corne | why does it keep lagging then? | 20:38 |
| penguin42 | ah, well that's a good question | 20:38 |
| Ian_corne | It really stays at high memory usage | 20:38 |
| Ian_corne | and doesn't free space for more cache | 20:39 |
| Ian_corne | which is pretty vital in a netbook with a slow hdd | 20:39 |
| Ian_corne | If a process leaks, and is terminated, does the leak memory return to free? | 20:41 |
| Ian_corne | or does it remain there? | 20:41 |
| penguin42 | no, if process leaks and the process dies the memory gets freed | 20:42 |
| zniavre_ | good evening | 20:42 |
| zniavre_ | does unity works without composite ? | 20:42 |
| BUGabundo | Watching The IT Crowd S04E01 | 20:44 |
| pARAd0X85 | how to install the last ubuntu Maverick dev with unity desktop ? | 21:07 |
| poutine | Hello, in power management, 'when battery is critically low' does not have a 'do nothing' option | 21:43 |
| poutine | how do I disable ANY action on a critically low battery | 21:44 |
| poutine | I hate when I ninja swap outlets on a very low battery, happy that it worked out, then to discover it goes to hibernate (which doesn't seem to work with my laptop) | 21:44 |
| penguin42 | poutine: Not sure, but can you set what it means by critically? | 21:45 |
| penguin42 | or fix the hibernate | 21:45 |
| poutine | no, and no | 21:45 |
| poutine | I just don't want it doing anything, I don't want to turn off power management | 21:46 |
| poutine | it just seems like someone left out a feature here | 21:46 |
| penguin42 | yeh I can understand that, although I guess it's trying to be protective of itself | 21:46 |
| poutine | maybe it's just a GUI shortcoming, I'll see if I can work with whatever it's a frontend for | 21:46 |
| penguin42 | I was expecting to find somnething in either udev or pm-utils but can't | 21:51 |
| DanaG | Say, once I've installed Maverick with ext4, how do I convert to btrfs? | 21:53 |
| BUGabundo | DanaG: ask patdk-wk | 21:54 |
| BUGabundo | he _tried_ the other day | 21:54 |
| BUGabundo | not sure he was that lucky | 21:54 |
| penguin42 | filesystem conversion is pretty much black magic! | 21:55 |
| BUGabundo | no, that worked fine | 21:56 |
| BUGabundo | it was the booting that didn't , afterwards | 21:57 |
| DanaG | ah. I do have /boot separate. | 21:57 |
| DanaG | ugh, ubiquity crashed. | 21:57 |
| DanaG | Crashed with OSError in configure_apt() | 22:01 |
| DanaG | I'm trying again... if it crashes the same way, I'm going to file a bug. | 22:05 |
| jpds | BUGabundo: Which release/arch ? | 22:06 |
| BUGabundo | all still supported | 22:06 |
| BUGabundo | i386 | 22:06 |
| DanaG | I really wish you could just click in the "mount point" column and get a text cursor right there. | 22:07 |
| BUGabundo | jpds: ^^^^^^ | 22:09 |
| jpds | BUGabundo: Doing the calculations now. ;) | 22:12 |
| BUGabundo | :) | 22:12 |
| DanaG | It's irritating how any time I tell it to mount one partition, the installer thinks it has to rescan all partitions. | 22:16 |
| === vivid` is now known as vivid | ||
| DanaG | It makes that step take about 5 times as long as it really should take. | 22:16 |
| DanaG | Or more like 10 times. | 22:18 |
| penguin42 | Does anyone know where the section in the Ubuntu Software Centre is set? | 22:20 |
| penguin42 | sine stuff in System is not | 22:20 |
| jpds | BUGabundo: Reading the Size: variables in all the Packages.gz's concerned, that comes out at 199222671402 bytes. | 22:20 |
| BUGabundo | jpds: arigato | 22:21 |
| jpds | 185G. | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | jpds: do you have any tips on the easier way to mirror it? | 22:22 |
| BUGabundo | a friend is going on a mission to Africa | 22:22 |
| jpds | BUGabundo: debmirror should do it. | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | and they are now trying to offline a mirror copy | 22:23 |
| jpds | debmirror lets one specify --arch'es and --releases if I recall correctly. | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | jpds: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Offline/Repository aint very helpful | 22:23 |
| jpds | BUGabundo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | ehe | 22:24 |
| BUGabundo | that's outdated too :( | 22:24 |
| jpds | [Although I don't recommend debmirror for official production mirrors]. | 22:24 |
| jpds | BUGabundo: But it should still work? | 22:26 |
| BUGabundo | just local, offline | 22:26 |
| BUGabundo | in the middle of nowhere in africa | 22:26 |
| jpds | Well, debmirror using that guide should get everything onto a disk. | 22:26 |
| jpds | Be back in a bit, /me → food. | 22:27 |
| DanaG | ah, I fixed my ubiquity. | 22:32 |
| DanaG | sudo rm /target/cdrom | 22:32 |
| DanaG | It was crashing because /target/cdrom already existed. | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 22:32 |
| DanaG | And it was a symlink to somewhere. | 22:34 |
| DanaG | ugh, why does maverick use vga16fb? vga16fb is hideous! | 22:42 |
| DanaG | uvesafb looks far, far nicer. | 22:42 |
| DanaG | Nice garbage on my serial console when I hit escape: | 23:22 |
| DanaG | [-1;-1f[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f. . . .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f. . . .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f. . . .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f. . . .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f. . . .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f. . . .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f. . . . | 23:22 |
| penguin42 | what are you using as a terminal? | 23:31 |
| Tekno_ | terminator | 23:32 |
| * penguin42 gulps | 23:32 | |
| * penguin42 suspects those [ are escape codes for positioning, possibly rather confused | 23:38 | |
| === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang | ||
| DanaG | Plymouth is writing its text-mode splash to both the local console and the serial console. | 23:42 |
| DanaG | What it really should do, show the GRAPHICAL splash on the local system, and no splash at all on serial! | 23:42 |
| DanaG | Right now, I have no splash on either... and when I press a key (such as escape), it switches to showing text-splash on both. | 23:43 |
| penguin42 | well, an Ubuntu 10.04 : would do no harm | 23:43 |
| DanaG | Well, it does harm by suppressing boot messages. | 23:43 |
| penguin42 | oh, I wouldn't want it to suppress anything | 23:44 |
| DanaG | hmm, I try to give win7 installer the vboxvideo driver... | 23:49 |
| DanaG | it failed once... but now it worked. | 23:49 |
| DanaG | er, wrong channel. | 23:51 |
| DanaG | It's easy to do that with tabbed chat apps. | 23:51 |
| BUGabundo | we know | 23:56 |
| BUGabundo | we all did it once or twice | 23:56 |
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