[00:49] someone else has a big memory leak from nowhere? [00:50] gnome-system-monitor reports 2,1 GB used, and when i add up al the "memory" values in the processes tab (I'm showing all users processes) It is less than a gigabyte [01:14] nitsuga, I notice that, but only after a initrd/ureadahead update [01:14] if I reboot again, it's back to normal [03:25] Where can I get a daily alternate install CD for maverick? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ is empty. [03:25] say umm... is anyone still having the power manager and bluetooth icons show up on the indicator applet when they shouldnt? [03:27] Alternately, is it possible to install to a btrfs root from the Desktop CD? [05:00] i only have mail in evolution in maverick, no calendar or anything else [06:09] Where can I find daily alternate install CD isos? [06:09] Jordan_U, there was a delay in posting them I had heard [06:11] bazhang: I can't even find any old ones (I just need one new enough to have the option to install to a btrfs root) [06:11] Jordan_U, yep, many have been looking for them the past two days [06:12] :( [06:12] * Jordan_U wonders if he can create his own with jigdo. [06:17] http://cdimage.xubuntu.com/ "It works!"... [08:49] Jordan_U: the alternate images are there now but oversized (if you planned to burn them on a CD) [08:49] the evolution install in maverick is only showing mail [08:50] geser: Is there a netinstall image? [08:54] I don't know of any, but there is a netboot directory: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/ [09:01] geser: Thanks. [09:50] !info liferea [09:50] liferea (source: liferea): feed aggregator for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 1.6.3-1ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 229 kB, installed size 756 kB [09:50] !info liferea-data [09:50] liferea-data (source: liferea): architecture independent data for liferea. In component main, is optional. Version 1.6.3-1ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 436 kB, installed size 2784 kB [09:56] Hello, since yesderday I fail installing liferea: liferea: Depends: liferea-data (= 1.6.3-1ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed [09:56] I guess that is a temporary issue that maintenair already know and don't need to be reported [09:57] jfi, sorry, that was more of an "in the future" thing :p [09:58] if you still can't install it by monday, file a bug [09:58] although make sure you update your package lists before each attempt [09:58] of course I do:) [10:02] fixing bugs while drunk is _fun_! \o/ [10:03] brb [10:54] nvidia-current just broke for me.. [10:54] or is x using nouveau by default? [10:55] Unless you've installed the nvidia blob it is [10:56] i have installed the nvidia blob [10:56] if you mean nvidia-current wit it [10:57] Then I guess nvidia would be used and nouveau blacklisted. THe configuration which comes with that installation. [10:58] If you're using the blob I think you'll have a custom xorg.conf ... [11:02] mh i don't know i even reinstalled nvidia-current and updated to the new kernel but didn't helpß [11:04] Woho, alternate is up! icantbelieveitsnotbutter! [11:07] mh? [11:13] im thinking about just removing nouveau..but the kernel modules stay anyways right? [11:32] oops :p [12:38] great... [12:38] gwibber fixed [12:38] broken the next day [12:39] I'm starting to think this is a race condition [12:48] may be [12:49] i would like to see my nvidia stuff to work again [12:49] wfm [12:51] ? [12:51] Works For Me (nvidia) [12:54] ah okay [12:54] well i have nvidia-current installed but it boots nouveau [12:54] and the 3d performance really sucks... cant use docky nor compiz [12:57] are you using proprietary or nouvau BUGabundo? [12:58] blob [12:58] are you using Jockey? [12:58] yeah and it says "driver installed but not in use" [12:58] activate it ? [12:59] time for some sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade love? [13:04] xorg.conf even has even set nvidia as driver [13:05] but this is more a kernel related issue i guess :P [13:06] do you have a /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf file? [13:07] jap [13:07] lets see whats in it === BUGabundo is now known as BUGabundo_lunch [13:07] it blacklists nouveau and the drivers < current [13:08] hm, i have the same [13:08] does 'dkms status' list nvidia-current for the kernel you use? [13:10] jap [13:10] then i'm outta ideas, sorry :( [13:10] grub bootet mit into 2.6.35-5 instead of -6 dunno why o.O [13:11] i have a general problem with grub btw. it directly boots instead of giving me a second or so to choose [13:11] i think startupmanager doesn't work with grub2 properly [13:12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Where did my Grub2 boot menu go!?!?! [13:14] the whole thing is the url :P === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [13:14] oh okay [13:14] thinaks [13:14] ah i see the problem my grub has both timeout and hidden timeout [13:15] i have a lot of memory leak warnings when i call update-grub [13:15] is that normal? [13:16] brb try rebooting ^^ [13:19] strange grubs still doesnt show up. but at least it booted into the new kernel [13:19] still not using nvidia but nouveau is a lot faster now. can live with that === BUGabundo_lunch is now known as BUGabundo [14:50] Hi [14:52] hi [14:52] penguin42: hi [14:52] !ping [14:52] pong [14:52] hmm , someone pls highlight me :D [14:52] vish, no [14:52] vish: bing [14:53] vish: bong [14:53] thanks :) [14:53] vish: Why did you want highlighting anyway? [14:53] testing if it worked right.. [14:54] oh right been messing around with your client? [14:54] seemed like i had a bit of a problem with xchat , but it works fine :) [14:54] What problem? [14:54] thought i was not getting alert notices/sounds [14:54] oh ok [14:57] sebsebseb: Do you happen to know, now that the free Radeon driver pretty much works solidly, is there any other interesting improvments happening to it? [14:58] penguin42: no I don't use ATI, but I know they released a new propritary driver recently [14:58] sebsebseb: I'm quite happy on the free one, although I don't do any heavy 3D stuff [14:59] oh ok [15:00] It'd be nice to try some of the OpenCL stuff sometime though [15:00] penguin42: What is this OpenCL anyway? [15:00] sebsebseb: programming language to drive the hardware in a GPU to do parallel programming stuff rather than graphics [15:01] parallel programming stuff? [15:01] sebsebseb: Yeh, the graphics cards typically are a few hundred specialised Floating Point processors with a bunch of fast RAM attached - you can misuse them to do high performance compute stuff [15:02] folating point processors? [15:02] sebsebseb: Do you know about the vertex and pixel shaders? [15:03] nope I guess not, since I don't know much about graphics cards [15:03] sebsebseb: OK my understanding is they're little processors you can load a program into; the program might do something like the maths to do a really cool texture or wiggle the surface of a solid to be bumpy [16:39] I want my % in the battery indicator back! [16:39] damnit [17:32] hmm , so Unity does not work in virtual box? [17:36] vish: Out of interest what do you see? [17:36] penguin42: nothing :( [17:36] black screen? [17:37] it doesnt do anything ,i just see the wallpaper [17:37] no launcher/dock [17:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/598849 [17:37] Launchpad bug 598849 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "After reboot after update, alot more memory is used" [Undecided,New] [17:40] patdk-wk: can you confirm? [19:19] anybody compiled Thunderbird 3.1 for 64 bit yet ? [19:49] Ian_corne: Can you define 'used' in that bug report? [20:02] I rebooted my laptop already, but got an unrebooted box [20:03] It's really used, but it doesn't show in top which application, so it must be something kernel memory? [20:04] it would be good to include the output of I guess free and say /proc/slabinfo that if it's kernel I think should show where [20:05] ok [20:06] http://pastebin.com/ZwwE0J3r [20:08] responded [20:11] Ian_corne: I mean that's 1200-764 buffers/cache - which isn't too bad [20:12] it's still way to much [20:12] for what it should be [20:12] A normal boot uses 150mb [20:12] a boot after an update uses 750mb [20:12] and that's without cache [20:14] I'd include the output of ps -eaf or the like in there as well so people can see what the actual discrepency is [20:14] evening [20:14] need a bit of Audio help [20:14] and crimsun_ is not around [20:14] how do I make a second sound card? [20:14] like a virtual one? [20:16] done penguin42 [20:16] should I reboot now and show what the situation is like on a normal boot? [20:16] jpds: how much disk space for an offline mirror of the archive, for a single release/arch? [20:18] Ian_corne: Sorry, can you try with a capital F - it includes memory usage [20:19] cdone :) [20:21] anyone knows? [20:21] BUGabundo: I tried to check but I've got no idea how to check :p [20:21] eheh [20:23] Ian_corne: So by eye I guess there's about 250-300MB shown in that process list, and 760MB of buffers, so about 300MB not accounted for? [20:24] yeah something like that [20:28] I've added the same files after another reboot [20:29] * penguin42 can't see anything more than about 30MB in the slabinfo [20:29] Ian_corne: Any idea how long stuff on pastebin stays around? [20:29] no [20:29] long time i guess [20:29] want me to put the files into textfiles? [20:30] Not sure, I suspect it will be easier for whoever eventually debugs it [20:31] Ian_corne: So on that second boot, it's not actually that much different on the output of free [20:32] 7xxmb compared to 2xx mb [20:32] so 500 mb difference [20:32] that's a whole lot, no? [20:33] Ian_corne: Well 1st one is 1209-764=445, 2nd is 821-235=586 [20:33] Ian_corne: High buffers is not bad [20:33] if anything wants it it'll get pushed out [20:34] hmm [20:34] I'm not seeing this [20:34] -/+ buffers/cache: 764 2385 [20:34] -/+ buffers/cache: 235 2913 [20:34] so the real usage is 764mb for the first [20:34] and 235 for the second, [20:34] no? [20:35] no, those are just temporary (I can't honestly remember what the difference is between buffer and cache) [20:35] well, anyways, my laptop laggs ALOT after the first reboot [20:36] because so much more memory is used [20:37] it's not because of that buffers/cache line I'm fairly sure - I suspect during the early boot it's doing something ith the disc a lot and that's why so much is in memory, but if you ened the memory ofr anything else that will disappear [20:38] Hmm [20:38] why does it keep lagging then? [20:38] ah, well that's a good question [20:38] It really stays at high memory usage [20:39] and doesn't free space for more cache [20:39] which is pretty vital in a netbook with a slow hdd [20:41] If a process leaks, and is terminated, does the leak memory return to free? [20:41] or does it remain there? [20:42] no, if process leaks and the process dies the memory gets freed [20:42] good evening [20:42] does unity works without composite ? [20:44] Watching The IT Crowd S04E01 [21:07] how to install the last ubuntu Maverick dev with unity desktop ? [21:43] Hello, in power management, 'when battery is critically low' does not have a 'do nothing' option [21:44] how do I disable ANY action on a critically low battery [21:44] I hate when I ninja swap outlets on a very low battery, happy that it worked out, then to discover it goes to hibernate (which doesn't seem to work with my laptop) [21:45] poutine: Not sure, but can you set what it means by critically? [21:45] or fix the hibernate [21:45] no, and no [21:46] I just don't want it doing anything, I don't want to turn off power management [21:46] it just seems like someone left out a feature here [21:46] yeh I can understand that, although I guess it's trying to be protective of itself [21:46] maybe it's just a GUI shortcoming, I'll see if I can work with whatever it's a frontend for [21:51] I was expecting to find somnething in either udev or pm-utils but can't [21:53] Say, once I've installed Maverick with ext4, how do I convert to btrfs? [21:54] DanaG: ask patdk-wk [21:54] he _tried_ the other day [21:54] not sure he was that lucky [21:55] filesystem conversion is pretty much black magic! [21:56] no, that worked fine [21:57] it was the booting that didn't , afterwards [21:57] ah. I do have /boot separate. [21:57] ugh, ubiquity crashed. [22:01] Crashed with OSError in configure_apt() [22:05] I'm trying again... if it crashes the same way, I'm going to file a bug. [22:06] BUGabundo: Which release/arch ? [22:06] all still supported [22:06] i386 [22:07] I really wish you could just click in the "mount point" column and get a text cursor right there. [22:09] jpds: ^^^^^^ [22:12] BUGabundo: Doing the calculations now. ;) [22:12] :) [22:16] It's irritating how any time I tell it to mount one partition, the installer thinks it has to rescan all partitions. === vivid` is now known as vivid [22:16] It makes that step take about 5 times as long as it really should take. [22:18] Or more like 10 times. [22:20] Does anyone know where the section in the Ubuntu Software Centre is set? [22:20] sine stuff in System is not [22:20] BUGabundo: Reading the Size: variables in all the Packages.gz's concerned, that comes out at 199222671402 bytes. [22:21] jpds: arigato [22:21] 185G. [22:22] jpds: do you have any tips on the easier way to mirror it? [22:22] a friend is going on a mission to Africa [22:23] BUGabundo: debmirror should do it. [22:23] and they are now trying to offline a mirror copy [22:23] debmirror lets one specify --arch'es and --releases if I recall correctly. [22:23] jpds: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Offline/Repository aint very helpful [22:23] BUGabundo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror [22:24] ehe [22:24] that's outdated too :( [22:24] [Although I don't recommend debmirror for official production mirrors]. [22:26] BUGabundo: But it should still work? [22:26] just local, offline [22:26] in the middle of nowhere in africa [22:26] Well, debmirror using that guide should get everything onto a disk. [22:27] Be back in a bit, /me → food. [22:32] ah, I fixed my ubiquity. [22:32] sudo rm /target/cdrom [22:32] It was crashing because /target/cdrom already existed. [22:32] lol [22:34] And it was a symlink to somewhere. [22:42] ugh, why does maverick use vga16fb? vga16fb is hideous! [22:42] uvesafb looks far, far nicer. [23:22] Nice garbage on my serial console when I hit escape: [23:22] [-1;-1f[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f. . . .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f. . . .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f. . . .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f. . . .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f. . . .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f. . . .[-1;-1fUbuntu 10.04[-1;-1f. . . . [23:31] what are you using as a terminal? [23:32] terminator [23:32] * penguin42 gulps [23:38] * penguin42 suspects those [ are escape codes for positioning, possibly rather confused === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [23:42] Plymouth is writing its text-mode splash to both the local console and the serial console. [23:42] What it really should do, show the GRAPHICAL splash on the local system, and no splash at all on serial! [23:43] Right now, I have no splash on either... and when I press a key (such as escape), it switches to showing text-splash on both. [23:43] well, an Ubuntu 10.04 : would do no harm [23:43] Well, it does harm by suppressing boot messages. [23:44] oh, I wouldn't want it to suppress anything [23:49] hmm, I try to give win7 installer the vboxvideo driver... [23:49] it failed once... but now it worked. [23:51] er, wrong channel. [23:51] It's easy to do that with tabbed chat apps. [23:56] we know [23:56] we all did it once or twice