[00:05]  * DarkNemesis just created an EPIC password for facebook (60 chars long)
[00:05] <DarkNemesis> no more fun and games for theo
[00:07] <DarkNemesis> i'm proud :P chryptography class here i come
[00:49] <phillw> DarkNemesis: long passwords are quite easy: MyLeastFavouriteDayOfTheWeekIsMonday,IMuchPreferFridaysAsIItIsTheStartOfTheWeekEnd ==> MyL3@5tF@v0ur1t3D@y0fth3w33k1sM0nd@y...............
[00:49] <DarkNemesis> phillw, i have a odd situation here on my LAN
[00:50] <DarkNemesis> i can see my lappy from my dektop
[00:50] <DarkNemesis> i cant see my desktop from my lappy
[00:50] <DarkNemesis> samba share
[00:51] <phillw> i've not as far as playing with samba fully, I'm thinking of just getting a NAS drive
[00:53] <phillw> i'm not sure how running master & slave on the same machines work, I've read a bit of http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Remote_Access_to_the_Ubuntu_Linux_Desktop#Activating_Remote_Desktop_Access so may just use that
[00:56] <phillw> if you have the ip numbers, you should be able to directly connect?
[01:06] <DarkNemesis> umm
[01:07] <DarkNemesis> the issue is that i have a large screen on the desktop (3ft by 2 ish) and 8inch my 4 inch on the eee 701 4g phillw
[01:09] <phillw> well, there's always ssh? tbh, I'm not really up on this connecting them up, I've enough problems getting samba to work between ubuntu and an XP machine :-)
[02:23] <zkriesse> hey mathay duanedesign
[02:23] <mathay> hey zkriesse
[02:23] <mathay> how's it going?
[04:01] <win_2_linux> somehow my facebook has been hacked with some ipad thing
[04:02] <pedro3005> :(
[04:02] <win_2_linux> yeah i don't know how they did
[04:02] <win_2_linux> it
[04:02] <win_2_linux> it posted wall to wall
[04:03] <win_2_linux> on my friends list
[04:03] <win_2_linux> changed the pw right away
[04:26] <zkriesse> hello charming
[04:28] <charming> hi zkriesse :D
[04:29] <zkriesse> and what brings ya here on this fine evening/afternoon/day
[04:33] <tenach> Hello there, charming
[04:54] <charming> i was just thinking which is better for making a tomcat server..
[04:54] <charming> from the propriety package or the source?
[04:55] <charming> meaning from the apt-get package or the source .tar.gz from the tomcat website
[04:55] <zkriesse> charming: well you're gonna want the stable vs
[04:56] <zkriesse> "version
[04:57] <charming> oohh thats how it is then..
[04:57] <zkriesse> what's how it is
[04:58] <charming> i mean installing it from the apt makes it stable
[04:59] <zkriesse> Well usually the ones that you compile or install from the host site can be the unstable or "Beta" version
[04:59] <zkriesse> not always but sometimes they are
[04:59] <zkriesse> and sometimes the version in the repositories can be outdated or somewhat old too
[04:59] <charming> but still stable
[05:00] <zkriesse> yes
[05:00] <zkriesse> At least that's been my experience
[05:06] <charming> ok thanks :D
[05:06] <zkriesse> charming: no prob
[05:13] <zkriesse> welcome headcuter
[06:54] <Judi> first time ubuntu user, just installed 10.04, doing untoward things with the display for second few minutes before monitor signal dies. Repeatable. What info would be helpful to diagnose or fix this problem?
[06:55] <Judi> installed on Dell computer w Pentium 4
[06:55] <stlsaint> Judi: your saying your video display does not work?
[06:55] <Judi> that's right.
[06:55] <Judi> it works well on boot, then degrades in first few minutes until bleep
[06:55] <Judi> gone
[06:56] <Judi> was an XP Pro computer before install
[06:57] <stlsaint> Judi: do you have the generic of propietary drivers installed
[06:57] <Judi> no, can look
[06:58] <andrei_> How do i register my name?
[06:59] <hobgoblin> andrei_: on irc?
[06:59] <andrei_> Yes
[06:59] <andrei_> It says something at the begining with NickServ
[07:00] <hobgoblin> andrei_: /msg nickserv register <your-password> <your-email>
[07:00] <hobgoblin> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[07:00] <Judi> stlsaint, will have to get back to you. I don't know how to tell from drivers, was going to look at the card to see if it was a regular brand
[07:00] <stlsaint> Judi: run in terminal:
[07:01] <stlsaint> Judi: lspci | grep VGA
[07:01] <Judi> thx, will do
[07:02] <stlsaint> Judi: post the output here
[07:02] <ddecator> my money is on ati
[07:03] <hobgoblin> I'd do a cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep nvidia or cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep ati then
[07:04] <hobgoblin> lspci will not tell if the driver is being used
[07:04] <stlsaint> hobgoblin: i was just looking to see what the card was
[07:04] <hobgoblin> though I've no idea what has already been said so ignore me :)
[07:04] <stlsaint> hobgoblin: looking in Hardware Drivers should solve the issue of what driver to install
[07:04] <stlsaint> hobgoblin: :P
[07:08] <Judi> this won't be exact (ubuntu is in the other room): VGA Compatible: ATI Radeon RV 100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]
[07:09] <stlsaint> ATI it is
[07:09] <ddecator> what do i win?
[07:09] <Judi> a smile from me!
[07:09] <ddecator> :D
[07:09] <Judi> :-)
[07:10] <ddecator> hobgoblin: btw, i think there is a factoid for irc nick registration
[07:10] <Judi> so what do I do now? ATI has some kind of curse? developmentally ubuntu-disabled?
[07:11] <ddecator> the open-source driver on lucid isn't...working very well for a lot of people :p
[07:11] <hobgoblin> ddecator: possibly there is but I don't use stupid factoids :)
[07:11] <ddecator> hobgoblin: well then...fair enough :p
[07:12] <hobgoblin> no idea what they all are and it's easier to link to information if I already have it at my fingertips :)
[07:12] <Judi> suggestions? Go back a version or two? or is it the same driver in earlier vers?
[07:13] <ddecator> Judi: take a look at System > Administration > Hardware Drivers and see if any drivers are listed, and if they are let us know if any are activated
[07:13] <hobgoblin> Judi: that card should be supported I think
[07:14] <hobgoblin> ddecator: I got that from not a factoid :D
[07:14] <Judi> no proprietary drivers in use on this machine
[07:14] <ddecator> are any available to activate?
[07:14] <Judi> nope
[07:14] <ddecator> hobgoblin: i only use them for certain situations :p
[07:15] <ddecator> well, that's the extent of my ideas, i'm not great with graphics...
[07:15] <Judi> thanks ddecator
[07:16] <ddecator> oh wait, monitor signal dies, silver_fox helped someone with a similar problem before...and i don't remember what needed to be done :(
[07:18] <Judi> ok, will poke around in the docs and likely check back tomorrow. Thank you for your help
[07:18] <Judi> also thanks stlsaint (who is now gone)
[07:18] <ddecator> sorry Judi, if you try again at another time there will be others who may know how to help :)
[07:18] <hobgoblin> Judi: before you go can we have a quick look at logs see if something occurs
[07:19] <Judi> ok
[07:19] <Judi> my logs or yours?
[07:19] <hobgoblin> mine are fine :)
[07:19] <stlsaint> Judi: im never gone! :D
[07:20] <hobgoblin> second thoughts if it dies you'll never be able to show them :(
[07:20] <stlsaint> hobgoblin: LOL...check your logs goblin check to see if MY system is alright! :P
[07:20] <hobgoblin> Judi: so you know I am not talking about irc logs but the logs your system makes :)
[07:21] <Judi> interestingly, system is still up and displaying. It's when I do mail or firefox that it dies
[07:21] <hobgoblin> Judi: ok do this please     sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[07:21] <ddecator> oh, that's a known issue with the ati graphics driver..
[07:21] <Judi> thx hobgoblin, lemme check to see if I can find ... ok, lemme run your sudo
[07:22] <hobgoblin> ddecator: is there a fix for it?
[07:22] <ddecator> hobgoblin: not sure, i'm looking for it
[07:23] <ddecator> bug 539772
[07:23] <Judi> couldn't find package pastebinit.
[07:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 539772 in xorg-server (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "[MASTER] Lucid 2.6.32-16 crashed to login screen - miCopyRegion (affects: 46) (dups: 22) (heat: 341)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539772
[07:24] <stlsaint> hobgoblin: im glad to see people using pastebinit, i made the wiki on it and at the time no one had heard of it :D
[07:24] <ddecator> should be fixed with recent xorg updates
[07:24] <hobgoblin> stlsaint: I've used it for a long time
[07:24] <ddecator> Judi: is your system fully up-to-date?
[07:24] <stlsaint> hobgoblin: well your the exception! :P
[07:24] <Judi> I got hard (whole system crash) in mail.
[07:25] <Judi> fully up to date: I downloaded and installed today
[07:25] <hobgoblin> Judi: did you install lots of updates after the install?
[07:25] <Judi> no, tried to config one mail account (crash) then rebooted and tried to use firefox.
[07:26] <ddecator> Judi: try installing all of the updates first, that will hopefully fix it :) (System > Administration > Update Manager)
[07:26] <Judi> then rebooted  and used firefox and display went down
[07:27] <stlsaint> reinstall drivers
[07:27] <hobgoblin> ddecator: +1 but I would make sure all the repos are set up in software sources first
[07:27] <stlsaint> or remove xorg and configure again....
[07:27] <hobgoblin> I would - software sources - update - reboot - check hardware drivers again  - in that order
[07:28]  * stlsaint fades to *black* mist....
[07:28] <ddecator> the driver is in main at least
[07:28] <Judi> ack. was running from bootCD, need to restart to install the updates.
[07:28] <ddecator> good luck :)
[07:28] <Judi> today's download was 57 days old.
[07:29] <Judi> thanks! rebooting now
[07:32] <Judi> oh my, 203 files to install. This will take a few minutes.
[07:33] <hobgoblin> :)
[07:33] <hobgoblin> be thankful you don't have dialup - if you do I am sorry for you :)
[07:36] <Judi> thx hobgoblin, I'm on a decent cable line
[07:37] <Judi> downloaded, now installing.
[07:38] <Judi> eternal gratitude for your collective helps. Tried installing Linux back several years ago and got sneered at a lot.
[07:39] <Judi> now have great appreciation for the works of ubuntu and supportive community.
[07:40] <hobgoblin> Judi: I have been there - I gave up at the time
[07:40] <hobgoblin> you'll get no hassle in here nor should you in any ubuntu channels
[07:40] <Judi> thank you for that.
[07:41] <hobgoblin> I tried when I had dial-up it was not easy at all - cam beakc once I had b/band - been here for 3 or 4 years now
[07:41] <Judi> working my slow transition from too many years on macs.
[07:42] <Judi> looking forward to the full dump. :D
[07:42] <ddecator> if you do get hassle in here, let us know, we won't have it :)
[07:43] <hobgoblin> indeed not - I'm not part of the team anymore but if I see it I know exactly who to go and get :)
[07:44] <hobgoblin> Judi: I dual-booted for a while but eventually the other install never got used so I used the space fro data :)
[07:45] <ddecator> i keep meaning to do that, but i'm not looking forward to going through a fresh install, haha. i probably will around a3 of maverick, i'll just fresh install that on the whole hdd
[07:45] <Judi> great thank yous. My updates are going to take a while, so I'll sign off until tomorrow. Will report in fwiw. gratitude. Hoping this install works well, will upgrade to a netbook in several months. Then will abandon mac laptop shortly thereafter... or so goes the plan.
[07:46] <Judi> more gratitude.
[07:46] <hobgoblin> good luck
[07:46] <hobgoblin> always nice to have happy people :)
[07:47] <ddecator> indeed :)
[08:36] <mmmmmmmm> hi guys
[08:36] <mmmmmmmm> i need help
[08:36] <shankar> mmmmmmmm: shoot
[08:37] <mmmmmmmm> guys i need help
[08:37] <mmmmmmmm> I have swf and html file in the same folder, but only show the background of the html and nothing else... right click and the message of movie not loaded show up...     only on line, in my c/ folders run perfectly well, but as soon as I upload them doesn't works, even if I only update the swf file ...     I am  having this problem recently... I did this millons of time without problem and now I am getting crazy...     help
[09:00] <Drawdecirle> Are you here forestpiskie?
[09:01] <hobgoblin> yep
[09:01] <hobgoblin> just got a different nick :)
[09:02] <hobgoblin> so how far have you got?
[09:02] <Drawdecirle> I just replied to your post.
[09:03] <Drawdecirle> Yes for the check and verification.
[09:03] <Drawdecirle> As for the manual partitioner, are you referring to GParted?
[09:03] <hobgoblin> Drawdecirle: no - I'm not
[09:04] <Drawdecirle> Ok, then I'm not sure what you mean when you ask if I can see /dev/sda from the manual partitioner.  Do you mean when I click "manual" from the installer?
[09:04] <hobgoblin> lets just check some stuff out - I assume you've used the terminal - if not it is in the apps accessories menu - open that and run this command
[09:04] <hobgoblin> sudo fdisk -l
[09:04] <Drawdecirle> Disk /dev/sda: 640.1 GB, 640135028736 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 77825 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x1549f232     Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System /dev/sda1   *           1          13      102400    7  HPFS/NTFS Partition 1 does not end
[09:05] <Drawdecirle> Ooh, that didn't come out very nice.
[09:05] <Drawdecirle> By the way, I deleted the partition again just to try that a second time.
[09:05] <Drawdecirle> That's why it's not showing up there.
[09:05] <hobgoblin> paste.ubuntu.com = copy it there - put a name and paste - then give the new url
[09:06]  * hobgoblin wonders if bodzilla happens to be wilee nilee - if not sorry :)
[09:06] <Drawdecirle> http://paste.ubuntu.com/455358/
[09:08] <hobgoblin> Drawdecirle: ok sda3 is not being seen - did you use gparted to create that partition?
[09:08] <hobgoblin> hi bodzilla phillw
[09:08] <bodzilla> howdy
[09:08] <bodzilla> I'm actually wilee-nilee
[09:09] <hobgoblin> Drawdecirle: I think it will be useful to run the script that wilee nilee pointed you to in your thread - paste that information to the thread please
[09:09] <Drawdecirle> I did.  However, I deleted it again after wilee-nilee suggested doing it.
[09:09] <hobgoblin> bodzilla: I guessed earlier :)
[09:09] <hobgoblin> bodzilla: to get you up to speed - sda3 is not seen in fdisk
[09:09] <Drawdecirle> Which script would that be?  I don't see one in my thread.
[09:10] <Drawdecirle> I can format it again if you'd like.
[09:10] <hobgoblin> in wilee's sig - post#3
[09:10] <Drawdecirle> As I said, I just unallocated it during this session.
[09:10] <hobgoblin> Drawdecirle: ok lets do that then - exit the installer if it is running and run gparted - delete sda3 which is the ext3 partition
[09:11] <hobgoblin> then we can make some partitions - don't just make one - we'll be making more than one
[09:11] <Drawdecirle> Ok, well, sda3 is gone right now (that's why it's not in the fdisk)
[09:11] <Drawdecirle> Also, are you talking about the script in his signature?
[09:11] <Drawdecirle> I don't see one in his post.
[09:11] <hobgoblin> yes in his sig
[09:12] <Drawdecirle> Ok.
[09:12] <hobgoblin> Drawdecirle: open gparted - point it at the unallocated space and create an extended partition - the whole of the free space
[09:13] <hobgoblin> Drawdecirle: for the moment don't worry about the script - let's do this it shouldn;t take long
[09:13] <Drawdecirle> Oh ok.  Will do.
[09:14] <hobgoblin> Drawdecirle: how much RAM do you have - and are you wanting to suspend
[09:14] <Drawdecirle> One sec.  I need to take a quick bathroom break.
[09:15] <Drawdecirle> Ok, I'm back.
[09:16] <Drawdecirle> 6 gigs.
[09:16] <Drawdecirle> And suspend?  Sorry, I'm not exactly a computer "whiz".
[09:16] <hobgoblin> suspend to ram - sort of hibernate type thing
[09:17] <hobgoblin> do you turn laptop off completely or not is the issue I think :)
[09:17] <Drawdecirle> Well, I'll most likely always be shutting it down.  I don't typically use "hibernate" like features often.  Either I'll be using it for extended periods of time or I won't.
[09:18] <hobgoblin> ok - well as you have lots of room we can make it so that the option is there for you - tell me when you've made the extended please
[09:18] <Drawdecirle> By the way, I've got the extended partition now.
[09:19] <Drawdecirle> It's /dev/sda3 with an unallocated portion inside it.
[09:20] <hobgoblin> excellent - now - inside the extended make a logical partition - type linux-swap and make it 13Gb
[09:20] <hobgoblin> then make another partition - type ext4 - 15Gb
[09:20] <shankar> hobgoblin: PM
[09:21] <hobgoblin> then make another partition - type ext4 - using whatever space is left over
[09:21] <hobgoblin> Drawdecirle: then when you have done all of that - run the fdisk command again and paste it to paste.ubuntu.com again
[09:26] <hobgoblin> Drawdecirle: and ping me as I am afk
[09:28] <Drawdecirle> hobgoblin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/455366/
[09:30] <Drawdecirle> ping hobgoblin
[09:30] <Drawdecirle> Guess that didn't work.
[09:31] <hobgoblin> yes it did - I saw - was just in the kitchen ...
[09:31] <Drawdecirle> Oh haha.  Ok.
[09:32] <hobgoblin> Drawdecirle: ok - now start the installer - go to the partition stage - choose manual and ping me again then
[09:34] <Drawdecirle> hobgoblin: Yeah, it's still only showing me the /dev/sdb1 (USB drive) from the screenshots I posted on the forum.
[09:35] <hobgoblin> mmmm
[09:37] <hobgoblin> let me think
[09:38] <veonone> I have downloaded NWN but I never installed a program manualy. Wich folder whould i put it in? Do i need to run any other commands? How do I put the program in applications drop down menu?
[09:38] <Drawdecirle> No problem.
[09:40] <veonone> note - It's a tgz archive
[09:43] <hobgoblin> Drawdecirle: run the script from wilee's sig - post it on the forum please.
[09:43] <Drawdecirle> Will do.
[09:43] <hobgoblin> you should be able to run it from the livecd
[09:48] <hobgoblin> Drawdecirle: does your machine have raid or anything like that
[09:48]  * hobgoblin clutches at straws
[09:49] <Drawdecirle> I don't believe so, but looking over the boot info results (which are now posted), I do see "raid" pop up in there.
[09:49] <hobgoblin> k
[09:51] <hobgoblin> Drawdecirle: ok - I've never played with raid  - I would suspect that is the issue here - though I could be wrong, not going to be of much more help on here
[09:52] <Drawdecirle> Ok, well thanks for the help you could offer.
[09:53] <hobgoblin> welcome
[09:55] <hobgoblin> Drawdecirle: as it stands the result of the script looks normal enough and is all ok - the raid thing is the issue - I would say that in a new post - those watching it will see the new information - what I would say is that you can;t have too much information :)
[09:55] <Drawdecirle> Alright, will do.  Hopefully it doesn't require me to wipe Windows 7, but if I have to, I have to.
[09:56] <hobgoblin> I'd not be doing that - there shouldn't be any reason to do so
[09:56] <Drawdecirle> Cool.
[09:57] <hobgoblin> I shall keep an eye on the thread - if I think of anything I will post - good luck with it
[09:57] <hobgoblin> Drawdecirle: hang on 2 secs
[09:57] <hobgoblin> morning ibuclaw
[09:57] <Drawdecirle> Thanks again.
[09:57] <hobgoblin> ibuclaw: you got a moment ?
[09:57] <ibuclaw> hobgoblin, uhhh :)
[09:58] <ibuclaw> hangover, but yes, I suppose. ;)
[09:58] <hobgoblin> lmao - I have some sympathy :)
[09:59] <hobgoblin> got an install issue - installer not seeing the partitions - just created - we know they are good - but it could possibly be raid - this is something I've not used so am all at see - if it's too much for the head I'm sure the user will just carry on with their thread
[09:59] <hobgoblin> /dev/sda                                                promise_fasttrack_raid_member
[10:00] <hobgoblin> ubiquity only recognises a plugged in usb drive
[10:06] <Drawdecirle> I think I'm going to log out.  If you happen to figure something out, just post it back in my thread.  Thank you.
[10:06] <hobgoblin> ok welcome then
[10:07] <hobgoblin> welcome back bodzilla
[10:07] <bodzilla> hey it was hard to tell from the script his setup but I'm sure you got it set, I don't use seperate homes or ntfs shred
[10:08] <bodzilla> I use a external for shared ntfs
[10:14] <hobgoblin> I think that there is raid involved - never had anything to do with it - he's gone back to the thread now
[10:16] <hobgoblin> well I am off now - day starting
[13:57] <CrazyPuma> hey all, some questions to a acer 1420p touchscreen. Someone here to help me get it working?
[14:01] <duanedesign> hello CrazyPuma
[14:01] <CrazyPuma> hello duanedesign
[14:03] <duanedesign> what is your issue?
[14:04] <CrazyPuma> i bought a acer 1420p a week ago and i am very interested to "learn" ubuntu
[14:05] <CrazyPuma> i installed ubuntu on the acer 1420p and everything works very well, besides the touchscreen
[14:05] <CrazyPuma> i can "click" on the touchscreen, but the mouse always went to the upper left corner of the screen
[14:06] <CrazyPuma> i think i have to calibrate the touchscreen, but the evtouch driver calibrate.sh does not work, because i get an error: no evtouch device
[14:08] <CrazyPuma> the touchscreen is a MosArt device
[14:08] <duanedesign> are you felix?
[14:08] <CrazyPuma> in kernel 2.6.34 the mosart driver should be included, but i don't how to install a driver
[14:09] <duanedesign> ahh ok
[14:09] <CrazyPuma> no i am not felix
[14:09] <CrazyPuma> this is the first time is use the ubuntu irc channel
[14:12] <CrazyPuma> i found this website: http://lii-enac.fr/en/projects/shareit/linux-howto.html
[14:12] <CrazyPuma> but the /include/linux/hid.h differs
[14:13] <CrazyPuma> and i can#t find a hid-core.c or hid-mosart.c
[14:13] <duanedesign> yeah i was reading bug 511747 and it said you said "Support for the MosArt multitouch panel was introduced upstream in kernel 2.6.34"
[14:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 511747 in xf86-input-evtouch (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "support for Acer 1420P (affects: 3) (heat: 22)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/511747
[14:14] <CrazyPuma> yes on https://launchpad.net/bugs/511747 is a *.patch
[14:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 511747 in xf86-input-evtouch (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "support for Acer 1420P (affects: 3) (heat: 22)" [Medium,Triaged]
[14:15] <CrazyPuma> but how to apply a *.patch
[14:15] <CrazyPuma> because the xf86-input-evtouch-0.8.8/evtouch.c does not exits
[14:15] <CrazyPuma> it is a xf86-input-evtouch-0.8.8/evtouch.py
[14:18] <duanedesign> heh, oops :/
[14:19] <duanedesign> there is a PPA that is newly created to backport the Maverick kernel to Lucid
[14:20] <CrazyPuma> i used sudo update-manager -d
[14:20] <CrazyPuma> and installed the 10.10 alpha
[14:20] <CrazyPuma> you mean this?
[14:21] <duanedesign> ahh ok
[14:22] <duanedesign> then you likely have the 2.35* kernel
[14:22] <duanedesign> 2.6.35
[14:23] <CrazyPuma> yes
[14:23] <CrazyPuma> but the touchscreen does not work
[14:23] <CrazyPuma> or okay it works in the upper left corner
[14:24] <CrazyPuma> it always clicks on the ubuntu logo
[14:24] <duanedesign> CrazyPuma:  I think the module is called hid-mosart
[14:25] <duanedesign> if it is a module....try:   sudo modprobe hid-mosart
[14:26] <CrazyPuma> nothing happens
[14:28] <duanedesign> does this return asnything:   lsmod | grep hid-mosart
[14:29] <CrazyPuma> no
[14:30] <CrazyPuma> lshal shows me the Mosart device
[14:30] <CrazyPuma> and lsmod | grep mosart
[14:30] <CrazyPuma> shows
[14:30] <CrazyPuma> hid_mosart        3345   0
[14:31] <CrazyPuma> usbhid          42222     1 hid_mosart
[14:31] <CrazyPuma> hid           84070      2 hid_mosart.usbhid
[14:33] <duanedesign> CrazyPuma: must be built in and not a module.
[14:34] <CrazyPuma> yes its an convertible notebook
[14:40] <duanedesign> CrazyPuma: what do you get when you run: uname -a
[14:56] <duanedesign> CrazyPuma: I installed xf86-input-evtouch and i see an etouch.c
[14:58] <duanedesign> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-evtouch
[15:02] <duanedesign> CrazyPuma: just  in case you havent seen this page. It looks pretty good. http://blog.bureado.com.ve/?p=668
[15:37] <CrazyPuma> sorry, i was away
[15:38] <CrazyPuma> duanedesign: i installed the xserver-xorg-input-evtouch package in synaptic
[15:39] <CrazyPuma> this refers to the xf86-input-evtouch
[15:39] <CrazyPuma> but if i search for evtouch.c, i only see evtouch.conf
[15:42] <CrazyPuma> uname -a shows: Linux ubuntu 2.6.35-5-generic #6-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jun 21 21:56:12 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:46] <geirha> apt-get source xserver-xorg-input-evtouch
[15:47] <CrazyPuma> okay, this means that i have to download the source, change the lines as shown in the patch and recompile the driver?
[15:48] <geirha> I've seen a guide on how to patch a source package and create a new deb file. Let me see if I can find it
[15:49] <CrazyPuma> thank you
[15:51] <geirha> http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html
[15:52] <geirha> 7.13 and 7.14
[15:52] <CrazyPuma> okay
[15:53] <geirha> I seem to remember seeing a more descriptive guide too, but I'm not finding it atm.
[15:56] <geirha> Anyway, you follow the steps in 7.14, and before running dch, you put your patch in debian/patches/
[15:57] <CrazyPuma> i will try it
[15:57] <geirha> Look at the other patches ain there, and alter your patch to be on the same format.
[16:00] <geirha> Ah, seems to be commands to do that for you.
[16:01] <geirha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Applying%20a%20patch
[16:06] <CrazyPuma> i applied the patch manually to evtouch.c, because only two lines are changed
[16:06] <CrazyPuma> but i get an error while compiling
[16:07] <CrazyPuma> it shows: Unapplying patches ... failed! ... Exitstatus 2
[16:10] <geirha> Hm. I'm not an expert on this area. I did it once with nethack myself; took a lot of trying and failing before I eventually managed it.
[16:11] <geirha> I don't think you can manually patch it. Because it untars the tar.gz file before building I think.
[16:12] <CrazyPuma> hmm i am going to play around with it, maybe i get a working touchscreen today
[16:13] <geirha> To start from scratch, just remove the source dir and run apt-get source again.
[16:13] <geirha> I did that alot :)
[16:13] <CrazyPuma> okay
[16:13] <CrazyPuma> it is a good way to learn
[16:22] <r3c0n> I have a proposal to write and I can not find what I am looking for. What I am trying to find out is that if a T1 line connection will work for a company that wants to use the t1 line shared between two company's. the company has a total of a 136 employees plus they need as many VoIPs plus VPN access, will a T1 line connection work?
[17:31] <[reddit]ductions> paultag
[17:33] <paultag> hey [reddit]ductions
[17:33] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: sup, my friend
[17:33] <[reddit]ductions> yo
[17:34] <[reddit]ductions> still having problems i'm afraid
[17:34] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: so, how's the ati config going?
[17:34] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: aye, what's up
[17:34] <[reddit]ductions> well i ran aticonfig in the root prompt of recovery mode
[17:34] <[reddit]ductions> the command was successful, but unfortunately didn't solve my issue
[17:35] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: OK. Let's make sure you have the driver
[17:35] <[reddit]ductions> ok
[17:35] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: do you know how to use pastebin ?
[17:35] <[reddit]ductions> yep
[17:35] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: Oh shoot, the machine is not on the intertubes
[17:35] <[reddit]ductions> nope
[17:35] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: can you boot up the computer normally until the GUI fails. Then hit Ctrl + Alt + F1
[17:36] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: that will bring you to a TTY to do work on the CLI
[17:36] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: run `lsmod | less` and see if you have your ati module installed
[17:36] <[reddit]ductions> I've tried that. after plymouth has finished, i just get a blank screen, i.e. i dont get to the login screen
[17:36] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: wait, really?
[17:36] <[reddit]ductions> yup
[17:36] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: but plymouth works?
[17:36] <[reddit]ductions> yeah plymouth displays how it always has done
[17:37] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: one sec.
[17:37] <[reddit]ductions> very briefly
[17:38] <[reddit]ductions> yeah and from the blank screen, i can't do anything but restart the computer
[17:38] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: does REISUB work?
[17:38] <[reddit]ductions> im not familiar with REISUB?
[17:38] <paultag> ahha
[17:38] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: http://kember.net/articles/reisub-the-gentle-linux-restart/
[17:38] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: if that works, then it's userspace, if not the kernel has an issue ( or a driver )
[17:39] <[reddit]ductions> ok brb
[17:39] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: could you give that a try whilst I do a bit of research?
[17:40] <[reddit]ductions> sure thing, thanks mate
[17:40] <paultag> I need to find out why plymouth runs
[17:40] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: np, anything for another redditor :)
[17:40] <[reddit]ductions> haha good man
[17:40] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: ddecator here is one too
[17:41] <[reddit]ductions> ah glad to see you representin'
[17:41] <paultag> w00t w00t
[17:42] <paultag> [reddit]ductions: yeah, there is no way plymouth should be running. IIRC it uses X11. ibuclaw poke
[17:43] <paultag> ibuclaw: can plymouth run without x11? does it use the FB?
[17:45] <ibuclaw> paultag, think about it. =)
[17:45] <Puck`> hi team
[17:45] <ibuclaw> KMS is kernel space. Xorg is user space.
[17:45] <paultag> ibuclaw: it's post initrd
[17:45] <[reddit]ductions> REISUB does nothing :/
[17:46] <paultag> ibuclaw: it could run on x11 after initrd loads, and that's what I thought it did
[17:47] <ibuclaw> paultag, nope. it starts way before X loads. Try looking at your bootchart graphs if you don't believe me. :)
[17:47] <paultag> ibuclaw: I believe you, that's why I asked you
[17:47] <paultag> ibuclaw: what does it use, the fb ?
[17:47] <ibuclaw> paultag, KMS
[17:47] <paultag> AHha
[17:47] <ibuclaw> Kernel Mode Setting
[17:48] <paultag> aye
[17:49] <paultag> ibuclaw: [reddit]ductions here has an issue. Something broked his X11 and is locking up the kernel. Sounds like a gfx card driver issue to me. What do you think?
[17:49] <ibuclaw> nvidia card?
[17:49] <paultag> ibuclaw: ati
[17:49] <ibuclaw> probably then...
[17:49] <paultag> aye
[17:49] <paultag> I don't know shit about ati
[17:49] <ibuclaw> is he able to boot into recovery mode ?
[17:50] <[reddit]ductions> yeah
[17:50] <[reddit]ductions> and into low graphics desktop
[17:50] <paultag> ibuclaw: but not F1
[17:50] <ibuclaw> [reddit]ductions, does /etc/X11/xorg.conf exist ?
[17:50] <[reddit]ductions> ill just reboot into recovery mode hold up
[17:50] <ibuclaw> mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.orig
[17:51] <ibuclaw> iirc, there should be an option to 'Fix X' in the simple recovery menu.
[17:51] <paultag> ibuclaw: he did a reconfigure -phigh and the ati tool that is nvidia-xconfig
[17:51] <ibuclaw> that does pretty much the same thing...
[17:51] <ibuclaw> paultag, no, the nvidia tool is nvidia-xconfig.
[17:52] <paultag> ibuclaw: read my line again
[17:52] <paultag> ibuclaw: he tried the ati tool that does what nvidia-xconfig does
[17:52] <[reddit]ductions> xorg exists yeah
[17:52] <ibuclaw> paultag, =þ
[17:53] <paultag> ibuclaw: that was so not UTF. that came out =? ( but the nasty ? )
[17:53] <paultag> BRB
[17:53] <ibuclaw> [reddit]ductions, mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.orig
[17:53] <win_2_linux> if I have a 160 gig hard drive what is the best way to divide that up for linux for root home and swap?
[17:53] <ibuclaw> paultag, fix your font packages!
[17:54] <[reddit]ductions> ibuclaw, i've ran that command
[17:55] <ibuclaw> win_2_linux, how much RAM is on your system?
[17:56] <ibuclaw> [reddit]ductions, kk, reboot (ctrl+alt+del should do).
[17:56] <ibuclaw> [reddit]ductions, X _should_ start with failsafe defaults. Be that good or bad.
[17:56] <win_2_linux> 2 gig ram
[17:57] <ibuclaw> heh, Samsung N110 ?
[17:58] <ibuclaw> win_2_linux, if you like to hibernate your system: root=20G home=135G swap=rest
[17:58] <[reddit]ductions> ibuclaw, that has fixed my issue, i now have my login screen back.
[17:58] <win_2_linux> no don't hibernate
[17:59] <win_2_linux> suspend it
[17:59] <ibuclaw> [reddit]ductions, aye, but you won't have any compositing enabled.
[17:59] <win_2_linux> sometimes but normally just turn off the monitor
[17:59] <ibuclaw> win_2_linux, well it's not much of a difference either way.
[17:59] <ibuclaw> win_2_linux, if you like to hibernate your system: root=20G home=136 or 137G swap=rest
[18:00] <ibuclaw> ahh...
[18:00] <win_2_linux> ok thanks
[18:00] <ibuclaw> forgot to remove some text from that. ;)
[18:01] <ibuclaw> win_2_linux, 2GB of RAM is usually ample fine for usage. And the system should barely touch the swap. Unless you use it for, ie: VMs.
[18:02] <ibuclaw> with hibernate, is good practise to have swap 2x the RAM size. Else, 1.5x or equal to if you have >=1GB RAM.
[18:02] <win_2_linux> so i'll just add the swap for precaution
[18:02] <ibuclaw> that's what it is there for. =)
[18:03] <win_2_linux> thanks
[18:03] <ibuclaw> to save your system from crashing when you run out of memory.
[18:03] <[reddit]ductions> ibuclaw, I should be able to take it from here though. Thanks again
[18:03] <win_2_linux> maybe thats the trouble with my laptop maybe i didn't give it enough swap so when it suspends it wont come up
[18:03] <geirha> Well, actually, when you run out of memory, the kernel starts killing arbitrary processes :)
[18:04] <geirha> swap has nothing to do with suspension
[18:04] <ibuclaw> [reddit]ductions, with nvidia - I used to just uninstall everything with the name *nvidia* in it's package-name. Then reinstall nvidia-common.
[18:04] <win_2_linux> i have to restart i just got updated lol
[18:04] <win_2_linux> brb
[18:05] <ibuclaw> from there a simple go to System->Admin->Hardware Drivers and reinstall the restricted module.
[18:07] <win_2_linux> lol thats faster than windows has ever been
[18:09] <win_2_linux> my laptop wont come b6ack from suspend after i re open the lid ubuntu 10.04 1 gig ram 1.6 g processor
[18:11] <holstein> win_2_linux: thats a drag
[18:11] <holstein> i got a couple netbooks around here
[18:11] <holstein> one is an EEEpc
[18:11] <holstein> its very well supported
[18:11] <holstein> the other one has VIA chips
[18:12] <holstein> and i just dont 'sleep' it
[18:12] <holstein> usually, the sound just wont come back up
[18:12] <win_2_linux> it is have to shut it down but i guess its not biggie, would like to beable to carry on where i continue but it could be an ubuntu thing or the way its handling
[18:12] <holstein> win_2_linux: you could poke around a little in the forums
[18:13] <holstein> but sometimes, with certain hardware, that is the path of least resistance
[18:13] <win_2_linux> yeah i have no one has a solution yet
[18:13] <win_2_linux> its not biggie really its a back up computer
[18:13] <win_2_linux> no biggie rather
[18:14] <win_2_linux> however the biggie is my touchpad just wont disable, i've done everything to disable it
[18:14] <holstein> hmmm
[18:14] <win_2_linux> it disables for a minute or two then comes back on
[18:14] <holstein> thats strange
[18:14] <holstein> what it the unit?
[18:14] <win_2_linux> i prefer a mouse to touch pad, and i'm afraid to turn it off in bios because then it may shut off all mice
[18:14] <holstein> what IS *
[18:15] <win_2_linux> mouse when i'm home touchpad when i'm out
[18:15] <holstein> win_2_linux: i would check the bios
[18:15] <holstein> tsome of the older bioses had 'internal, external, or both' setting IIRC
[18:16] <holstein> OH
[18:16] <holstein> yeah, you dont want to be in the bios all the time
[18:16] <holstein> win_2_linux: is there a problem with leaving the touchpad on
[18:16] <holstein> and using an external mouse?
[18:16] <holstein> thats the way i do it
[18:18] <win_2_linux> well no and yes, my thumbs fly over it sometimes when i'm typing and find i'm typing words within words already typed, i guess i'll just tape something over it until i need it
[18:18] <holstein> win_2_linux: theres a 'disable touchpad while typing' option
[18:18] <win_2_linux> yes it works for a  minute then comes back on
[18:19] <win_2_linux> its checked
[18:19] <win_2_linux> lol
[18:19] <holstein> AH
[18:19] <holstein> thats the 'disable' that is not persisting
[18:20] <win_2_linux> yes, and the disable itself doesn't persist either lol
[18:20] <win_2_linux> its just a stubborn touchpad i guess lol
[18:20] <holstein> win_2_linux: how about unckecking 'enable mouse clicks with touchpad'
[18:21] <win_2_linux> thats unchecked
[18:21] <holstein> hmmm
[18:24] <r3c0n> how many computers can one server run
[18:25] <ibuclaw> r3c0n, depends on the server =)
[18:25] <ibuclaw> and what you are using it for
[18:26] <r3c0n> storing data and customer info
[18:26] <holstein> win_2_linux: you want to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ the output of lspci
[18:27] <holstein> i would probably note the hardware and driver being used, and look for a bug report on launchpad
[18:27] <win_2_linux> will do
[18:28] <win_2_linux> its a dell d600 computer
[18:28] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=637614
[18:29] <holstein> win_2_linux: you might want to try hardy on there
[18:29] <holstein> try an ubuntu 8.04 live CD
[18:29] <holstein> if everything works well
[18:30] <nUboon2Age> win_2_linux: holstein: Here's a couple: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/240738
[18:30] <holstein> you can make note of what is being used
[18:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 240738 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "syndaemon sometimes fails to disable the touchpad (heat: 4)" [Low,Triaged]
[18:30] <win_2_linux> right my pc's har drive is down, I have two 160 gig drives on a raid 0 arrary which i didn't know what it was or give much thought to when i bough it and well i didn't know when one started doing the click click click click then two clicks it wouldn't boot
[18:30] <holstein> thanks nUboon2Age :)
[18:31] <win_2_linux> one is stil good shows up in the bios the other
[18:31] <nUboon2Age> win_2_linux: holstein: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/459832
[18:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 459832 in acpi-support (Ubuntu) "Touchpad is re-enabled after typing (affects: 6) (heat: 42)" [Low,Triaged]
[18:33] <nUboon2Age> win_2_linux: holstein: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/400697
[18:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 400697 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "Cannot disable touchpad buttons (affects: 1) (heat: 11)" [Undecided,Triaged]
[18:34] <holstein> hopefully win2lin bookmarked a few of those nUboon2Age :)
[18:35] <nUboon2Age> win_2_linux: holstein: in comments this one includes a work-around: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/touchfreeze/+bug/501181
[18:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 501181 in touchfreeze (Ubuntu) "does not disable touchpad in vaio vgn-n330fh karmic i386 (affects: 1) (heat: 19)" [Undecided,New]
[18:35] <win_2_linux> lol hitting fn f8 gave me a white screen had to go into
[18:36] <win_2_linux> ttl or whatever it is and reboot from there
[18:36] <win_2_linux> ctrl f1
[18:38] <holstein> does the script at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/touchfreeze/+bug/501181 work for you win_2_linux ?
[18:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 501181 in touchfreeze (Ubuntu) "does not disable touchpad in vaio vgn-n330fh karmic i386 (affects: 1) (heat: 19)" [Undecided,New]
[18:39] <nUboon2Age> win_2_linux: holstein: I just checked and I don't have altouchpad on my dell.  Is that specific to Vaio?
[18:39] <holstein> we'll know when win_2_linux gives us the output of lspci :)
[18:46] <win_2_linux> didn't work
[18:46] <win_2_linux> i'll turn it off in the bios later
[18:46] <win_2_linux> thanks
[18:47] <win_2_linux> or just tape over it
[18:48] <stlsaint> win_2_linux: whats not working?
[18:51] <win_2_linux> the xint to disable it
[18:52] <nUboon2Age> win_2_linux: holstein: just btw, reading some of the bug reports it sounds like it might be a problem w/ syndaemon.
[18:52] <holstein> i would assume that script only works with an ALPS touchpad
[18:52] <win_2_linux> its an alps dualpoint touchpad, i researched it and a lot of people were complaining of flakiness none were complaining of not being able to disable it as of wht i read
[18:52] <holstein> and we dont know what hardware win_2_linux has
[18:52] <win_2_linux> it is an ALPS
[18:52] <holstein> AH
[18:53] <holstein> so that is relavant to your set-up
[18:53] <win_2_linux> maybe the bios is over riding the software?
[18:53] <win_2_linux> yes its a dell d600 laptop
[18:55] <win_2_linux> actually i can just tape something over that until i find a fix. however the suspend does bother me, i have to research that
[18:55] <win_2_linux> i like to close the lid and reopen it again
[18:55] <win_2_linux> but since it doesn't work that way
[18:59] <holstein> i had a dell
[18:59] <holstein> newer than that one
[19:00] <holstein> when i closed the lid
[19:00] <holstein> even if it didnt sleep
[19:00] <holstein> just making the screen go blank
[19:00] <holstein> would make the WHOLE screen return in a smaller square in the middle of the screen
[19:00] <nUboon2Age> win_2_linux: holstein: this person had a .sh file that started the syndaemon and they modified it to use XInput to toggle the touchpad on and off.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/300523
[19:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 300523 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "syndaemon turns disabled touchpad back on after typing (heat: 7)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:03] <win_2_linux> its a kernal problem seems like a lot of people are having this problem
[19:04] <win_2_linux> with the suspend hibernate thing
[19:05] <win_2_linux> so i'll turn it off in the bios and then turn it back on when needed i just have to remember too lol
[19:05] <win_2_linux> is it my imagination or does a laptop run cooler with linux than it does with win
[19:06] <win_2_linux> ooh two conversations..i mean i'll turn the touchpad off in the bios
[19:06] <win_2_linux> and the un suspending thing is a kernel problem
[19:09] <holstein> my VIA graphics chip runs hotter
[19:10] <nUboon2Age> win_2_linux: I'd like to think its cooler in Linux.  Penguins certainly are cooler. :-)  Maybe its a 'your mileage may vary' kind of thing.
[19:17] <win_2_linux> its seems this bug of suspend and hibernate both work fine its just unsuspending and unhibernating that doesn't work, it may be an X thing because people are us alt. ctrl. f7
[19:22] <win_2_linux> maybe
[19:23] <win_2_linux> so i recomend that you don't do a raid 0 on your drives but maybe a raid 1 where you do have a back up drive
[19:28] <holder> How do I search for broken packages? While updating my packages, an alert popped up telling me I had broken packages and that I should find and fix them.
[19:31] <stlsaint> holder: you can do it either thru the terminal or thru synaptic package manager
[19:32] <stlsaint> holder: for synaptic go: Synaptic Package Manager>Edit tab>Fix Broken packages
[19:34] <holder> stlsaint: How do I know that it worked?
[19:34] <stlsaint> holder: run an update
[19:38] <holder> stlsaint: Worked perfectly. Thanks!
[19:38] <stlsaint> holder: no prob man, glad to help
[19:39] <zkriesse> hey stlsaint and hi! holder
[19:39] <stlsaint> zkriesse: sup
[19:41] <win_2_linux> ok another miner issue, nothing to do with this but compiz fusion whenever i turn the cube around --neat effect--the screen darkens then lightens up gain when dt is in view i have negative turned off
[19:41] <stlsaint> win_2_linux: check your power settings
[19:41] <stlsaint> win_2_linux: oh wait you said effects, yea compiz does that slightly
[19:43] <win_2_linux> oh because on youtube where i've seen it demonstrated its remains very bright
[19:44] <stlsaint> win_2_linux: i will set my effects and check to see what your takling about
[19:45] <win_2_linux> lets see if i can describe it better, when the cube turns the screen darkens and then lightens again when it sets on the next desktop
[19:46] <stlsaint> win_2_linux: aye, mind does not do that
[19:46] <win_2_linux> hmmm
[19:48] <newboon2age> oh, now its my turn to ask for help.  I've got a major problem.  My computer just did a distribution upgrade and when i reboot I get grub2!!!
[19:49] <stlsaint> newboon2age: thats actually a good thing right??
[19:49] <newboon2age> not when I'm expecting to boot to Ubuntu
[19:49] <newboon2age> I mean I'm getting the grub prompt
[19:49] <stlsaint> newboon2age: you cant boot into ubuntu from grub?
[19:52] <stlsaint> newboon2age: grub is just a bootloader...you can set it to not show and boot directly into your os (ubuntu)
[19:53] <win_2_linux> my computer boots directly into ubuntu
[19:53] <newboon2age> I don't know much about grub2.  I know that booting to a grub2 prompt is definitely not normal.
[19:55] <stlsaint> newboon2age: on the contrary it is quite normal
[19:55] <stlsaint> actually if grub doesnt load without you specifying it not to is a bad thing
[19:55] <newboon2age> I'm taking about the grub2 recovery console or whatever they call it.  Not normal.
[19:56] <stlsaint> newboon2age: so when you reboot you boot directly into grub recovery interface?
[19:56] <newboon2age> Immediately upon reboot after upgrade this problem started.
[19:56] <newboon2age> stlsaint: yes that sounds like the right description.
[19:57] <stlsaint> newboon2age: have you tried fixing the system from the recovery? and do you get any errors?
[19:57] <newboon2age> stlsaint: i don't know how
[19:58] <newboon2age> stlsaint: at the moment i rebooted it w/ ubuntu netbook Ed. live CD. (its what I had handy)
[19:59] <newboon2age> stlsaint: but if need be i can reboot to the grub2 recovery interface.
[20:00] <newboon2age> i'm ircing from a different machine (that's running wubi Kubuntu btw win_2_linux)
[20:00] <stlsaint> newboon2age: hrm, do you get any errors?
[20:00] <stlsaint> newboon2age: == win_2_linux ?
[20:01] <newboon2age> stlsaint: (goes back to an earlier conversation w/ win_2_linux)
[20:01] <newboon2age> stlsaint: so should i reboot into grub2 recovery interface?
[20:02] <newboon2age> stlsaint: i didn't notice any errors previously, but then again I don't know how to check unless they pop up on the screen.
[20:03] <newboon2age> stlsaint: should I reboot to grub2 recovery interface, or stay in Ubuntu Netbook Ed livecd?
[20:03] <stlsaint> newboon2age: if you did an upgrade and get this than i suggest that you do a fresh install to be on safe side
[20:03] <win_2_linux> what is the super key
[20:04] <stlsaint> win_2_linux: the little key that has the windows logo on it
[20:06] <holstein> i have one machine with no windows logo on my super key :)
[20:06] <holstein> i was stoked
[20:19]  * newboon2age slapping forehead.  Just at the crucial moment i lost my connection.  Did anyone reply to whether i have another option than to reinstall.
[20:20] <newboon2age> Did anyone reply to whether i have another option than to reinstall.
[20:20] <stlsaint> newboon2age: there are probably various options...
[20:20] <stlsaint> but the safest would be a fresh install
[20:21] <newboon2age> stlsaint: if i could avoid that i would prefer it.
[20:22] <newboon2age> stlsaint: actually i'd like to know more about grub2 so if i ran into this again i would have some idea of what to do.
[20:23] <zkriesse> !grub2
[20:23] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[20:23] <stlsaint> newboon2age:
[20:23] <newboon2age> right now i'm going to try to burn a Lucid i686 CD
[20:23] <stlsaint> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[20:23] <newboon2age> stlsaint: yes?
[20:23] <zkriesse> stlsaint: beat ya too it
[20:23] <stlsaint> newboon2age: check out my link i posted
[20:24] <stlsaint> zkriesse: on the contrary you posted a rather, non-fufilling wiki
[20:24] <stlsaint> :P
[20:24] <zkriesse> stlsaint: damn
[20:25] <newboon2age> okay i'll start w/ that.  I'll be back though cuz i've tried that page before and didn't get all i needed from it.
[20:26] <stlsaint> brb
[20:33] <ric> how do I adjust the screen brightness
[20:33] <newboon2age> okay I'm going through the 'Recover Grub 2 via LiveCD from that page, using the UNE disk (while downloading the desktop version).
[20:34] <paultag> ric: it might be in xrander. Do you have a button for it on your laptop?
[20:35] <newboon2age> Can someone follow it w/ me?
[20:35] <newboon2age> guide me on it?
[20:35] <ric> don't follow you I'm a novice user
[20:35] <zkriesse> ric: one sec
[20:35] <paultag> ric: I have to run, but newboon2age, ric wait around :)
[20:35] <newboon2age> me too
[20:36] <andrei_> witch is general chat channel?
[20:36] <zkriesse> andrei_: #ubuntu-beginners-team
[20:36] <andrei_> hey. my xchat settings werent saved
[20:37] <andrei_> how come
[20:37] <zkriesse> andrei_: Do you mean just a regular chat channel or the team chat channel?
[20:37] <ric> I'll ask again my screen is very dim, is there a simple way to adjust the screen brightness?
[20:37] <win_2_linux> fixed the dimming thing
[20:37] <pedro3005> ric, Try System -> Preferences -> Display
[20:37] <zkriesse> ric: Patience please :D
[20:38] <stlsaint> sup folks, whats all the huppla about?!!?
[20:38] <stlsaint> :D
[20:38] <zkriesse> ric: is it a desktop monitor or a laptop/netbook
[20:39] <ric> laptop
[20:39] <andrei_> why some of my settings aren't beeing saved? like xchat and rythmbox
[20:40] <win_2_linux> what version xchat do you have
[20:40] <win_2_linux> 2.8.6 has a bug in saving channels you have to uptdate to 2.8.8 i had this problem too
[20:40] <andrei_> latest i think. i installed it through software center
[20:40] <andrei_> 2.8.6 xd
[20:41] <win_2_linux> that one has the bug, its fixed in 2.8.8
[20:41] <andrei_> but it didn't store my name
[20:41] <andrei_> how do i update
[20:41] <win_2_linux> www.xchat.org
[20:41] <andrei_> no command?
[20:42] <win_2_linux> you have to go to that page and down load it
[20:42] <paultag> whoh whoh
[20:42] <paultag> no win_2_linux
[20:42] <paultag> andrei_: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:42] <newboon2age> win_2_linux: That was directed to ric, yes?
[20:42] <paultag> andrei_: if it's not in there, wait and do it later
[20:42] <win_2_linux> no andrei
[20:42] <paultag> BRB, I have to go
[20:43] <andrei_> that updates whole system no?
[20:43] <win_2_linux> i don't think its a deb or in the repositories...i compiled it form source with the help of the #xchat
[20:45] <andrei_> and i dont have to uninstall this one am i right?
[20:45] <win_2_linux> you know what try sourceforge they may have a deb
[20:46] <win_2_linux> in that case you wouldn't have to compile it, it was fun though but
[20:47] <andrei_> another thing. it's only for knowledge. i installed neverwinter nights why the application doesen't launch (nwmain) - it says it does not exist and i have to fire it with ./nwn
[20:48] <win_2_linux> do you have wine installed or playonlinux
[20:48] <andrei_> i got the linux files
[20:48] <win_2_linux> how do you make a deb anyway from source
[20:49] <win_2_linux> oh neverending supports linux but wow wont whats with that
[20:49] <andrei_> brb
[20:51] <veonone> ok i updated/upgraded and still 2.6.8
[20:51] <veonone> lets see if i find that deb file
[20:51] <veonone> i can't use rpm can't i?
[20:53] <veonone> says it's unstable release
[20:54] <newboon2age> ric: did you get your answer?
[20:55] <win_2_linux> then you'll have to go to the xchat website down load the tz file and compile it from source
[20:55] <win_2_linux> or wait til there is  a deb
[20:56] <newboon2age> win_2_linux: veonone: how about using alien to convert .rpm to .deb
[20:56] <win_2_linux> or is this someone new i thought it was andrei under a different nick lol
[20:56] <veonone> ill look into it
[20:56] <veonone> you're right
[20:58] <newboon2age> okay I'm going through the 'Recover Grub 2 via LiveCD from that page, using the UNE disk (while downloading the desktop version).
[20:58] <newboon2age> Can someone guide me on it?
[21:00] <ric> I found the answer in a forum:PRESS Fn key and arrow up or down to adjust screen brightness
[21:00] <newboon2age> ric: and it worked?  Great!
[21:09] <holder> How do I install tarball files? Specifically http://www.stereopsis.com/flux/.
[21:10] <stlsaint> holder: untar it and run the installer
[21:11] <holder> stlsaint: With archive manager?
[21:12] <stlsaint> holder: use the tar command in terminal...or right click the tar and choose to extract it
[21:12] <holder> stlsaint: What's the command?
[21:13] <stlsaint> holder: tar -xvvf <name_of_package.tar>
[21:13] <stlsaint> holder: make sure your in the dir of the package before running that command
[21:13] <holder> How do I do that?
[21:14] <stlsaint> holder: the change directory command
[21:14] <stlsaint> holder: cd /Documents/blah/blah
[21:17] <stlsaint> holder: are you sure that install package is linux compatible?
[21:17] <holder> Yep
[21:17] <holder> but you are going to have to walk me through the changer directory command
[21:18] <stlsaint> holder: where did you download the package to
[21:19] <stlsaint> holder: ?
[21:19] <holder> ./home/huser/Downloads
[21:19] <holder> ./home/user/Downloads
[21:19] <stlsaint> open a terminal
[21:19] <stlsaint> holder: ^^
[21:20] <holder> Yep
[21:20] <stlsaint> holder: type in the terminal: cd Downloads
[21:21] <holder> Ok
[21:21] <holder> Do I just use the tar command now?
[21:21] <stlsaint> yes
[21:22] <holder> -rwxrwxr-x mike/mike    523644 2009-02-21 06:19 xflux
[21:23] <holder> What does this mean?
[21:23] <stlsaint> it means that the file: xflux has the permissions of read/write/execute
[21:23] <stlsaint> by the user mike
[21:23] <holder> there is no user mike on my laptop.
[21:24] <stlsaint> last time that file was modified was 2009 feb 21
[21:24] <holder> O ok, mike modified it
[21:24] <holder> who ever that is
[21:25] <holder> What do I do now?
[21:25] <stlsaint> install it
[21:25] <holder> How?
[21:25] <stlsaint> what are the contents of the folder?
[21:27] <holder> An executable file
[21:27] <stlsaint> which one of those did you download,the windows one or the mac one?
[21:28] <xsaiddx> hello guys can someone please tell me hoe ican kno if have the latest driver for my display card thanks
[21:28] <stlsaint> xsaiddx: go to your: System>Admin>Hardware Drivers
[21:28] <stlsaint> xsaiddx: on second thought
[21:28] <stlsaint> xsaiddx: open a terminal:
[21:29] <stlsaint> xsaiddx: type in the terminal: lspci | grep VGA
[21:29] <holder> the linux one
[21:29] <stlsaint> then look at the nvidia site to compare the card to your driver in the Hardware Drivers tab
[21:29] <stlsaint> holder: please tell me again what is it you are trying to isntall?
[21:30] <holder> http://www.stereopsis.com/flux/
[21:30] <holder> about an inch below the mac and pc download, on the front page, there is a linux download
[21:33] <xsaiddx> stlsaint: it give me this 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility 9200 IGP
[21:33] <stlsaint> xsaiddx: what do your hardware drivers menu say?
[21:34] <stlsaint> holder: run in terminal: ./xflux
[21:34] <xsaiddx> nethin only a modem driver that i dont wanna use cus i already have one installed
[21:35] <stlsaint> hrm,
[21:36] <holder> Welcome to xflux (f.lux for X)
[21:36] <holder> This will only work if you're running X on console.
[21:36] <holder> Usage: ./xflux [-z zipcode | -l latitude] [-k colortemp (default 3400)]
[21:36] <holder> protip: Say where you are (use -z or -l).
[21:40] <holder> alright, I think i set it up. Is there a way to check if it's working?
[21:40] <stlsaint> holder: i dont know this app cause i dont use it but you can check via the site for faq
[21:43] <xsaiddx> stlsaint: infact all this its about a not workin game speed dreams
[21:49] <holder> Thanks stlsaint
[21:50] <stlsaint> holder: no prob
[21:50] <stlsaint> xsaiddx: you should go to the ati site and get the latest driver for your card
[21:53] <Kentrel> Hi, I want to run a script from a crontab. Is there a way I can store the output of the script so I can view it later?
[22:11] <phillw> Kentrel: http://kevin.vanzonneveld.net/techblog/article/schedule_tasks_on_linux_using_crontab/ covers storing it and emailing it (if you're so inclined)
[22:11] <phillw> grrrrr :-\
[22:22] <iceflatline> Kentrel: could you simply append output to a file using cat?