[02:22] <zkriesse> hello nisshh
[02:23] <nisshh> zkriesse: hey
[02:24] <zkriesse> nisshh: and how are you this fine day/afternoon/evening
[02:24] <nisshh> zkriesse: really good actually, im planning on playing some urban terror then im going out and then ill be writing some code
[02:25] <nisshh> zkriesse: how about you?
[02:25] <zkriesse> eh editing some manual stuff, trying to move my knee as little as possible
[02:25] <zkriesse> I'm Zach btw...new 'round the manual team
[02:26] <nisshh> zkriesse: right, didnt think id seen you in here before
[02:26] <zkriesse> just popped in the other night
[02:26] <nisshh> zkriesse: im Ryan, iv been working on the manual since the start
[02:26] <zkriesse> Well nice to meet ya's
[02:26] <nisshh> you too
[02:26] <nisshh> :)
[02:27] <zkriesse> Fortunately I know a few of ya's on the project
[02:27] <zkriesse> cjohnston: for one
[02:28] <nisshh> yea
[02:28] <zkriesse> and pleia2
[02:28] <zkriesse> I work with her on the Learning/Classroom stuff
[02:29] <nisshh> oh cool
[02:29] <zkriesse> I think so anyway
[02:29] <nisshh> its like 3 teams in one now, huh?
[02:29] <zkriesse> Least she asked me to do a User Day course so....
[02:29] <nisshh> meh
[02:30] <zkriesse> Sad part is I had the outline for my "speech" all written up, switched back to my 'buntu after a windows period and forgot to save the darn file
[02:30] <zkriesse> so now i gotta start over
[02:31] <nisshh> zkriesse: oh, that happens i guess, i dont even use windows anymore
[02:31] <nisshh> never needed it
[02:31] <zkriesse> I was for a while
[02:32] <nisshh> zkriesse: yea, doing stuff like that was what taught me the importance of backups
[02:32] <zkriesse> he
[02:40] <zkriesse> vish: ya round?
[02:41] <zkriesse> nisshh: how bout u
[02:46] <nisshh> zkriesse: whats that?
[02:46] <nisshh> sorry i was busy
[02:47] <zkriesse> nisshh: ok fixing a manual bug
[02:47] <zkriesse> I'm using Bazaar Explorer
[02:47] <zkriesse> To commit the bug fix what do i put in the "Bug" field
[02:48] <nisshh> zkriesse: oh, i have no idea, iv never used BE
[02:48] <zkriesse> ok what about the terminal
[02:48] <nisshh> zkriesse: oh thats easy
[02:48] <zkriesse> I'm typing in bzr commit but now i don't know what to type
[02:49] <nisshh> zkriesse: bzr commit -m "Fixed bug LP:<bug number from launchpad goes here>
[02:49] <nisshh> zkriesse: bzr commit -m "Fixed bug LP:<bug number from launchpad goes here>"
[02:49] <zkriesse> ok
[02:49] <brandonj> also you can add the --fixes option
[02:49] <zkriesse> lemme try that
[02:49] <nisshh> brandonj: good point
[02:49] <brandonj> bzr commit --fixes=lp:<bug #> -m "Fixed bug lp:<bug #>"
[02:50] <nisshh> yea thats it
[02:51] <zkriesse> bzr commit --fixes=lp:<bug #596853> -m "Fixed bug lp:<bug "596853>" that look right?
[02:51] <brandonj> no no
[02:51] <brandonj> haha
[02:51] <brandonj> no <'s or >'s
[02:52] <zkriesse> ok
[02:52] <brandonj> and don't put
[02:52] <brandonj> bug #596853
[02:52] <brandonj> just do
[02:52] <brandonj> bzr commit --fixes=lp:596853 -m "Fixed bug lp:596853"
[02:52] <brandonj> sorry for the confusion
[02:55] <zkriesse> Ok i did that...now how will i know it's fixed?
[02:55] <brandonj> did you push it?
[02:55] <zkriesse> yes
[02:56] <brandonj> it should show up here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e2
[02:56] <brandonj> are you sure you did `bzr push`?
[02:57] <zkriesse> I think so
[02:57] <brandonj> ok
[02:57] <zkriesse> wait....
[02:57] <zkriesse> nope i did the commit part
[02:57] <brandonj> right
[02:57] <zkriesse> now i need to do bzr push
[02:57] <brandonj> so after you commit you need to push
[02:58] <zkriesse> Using saved push location: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e2/
[02:58] <zkriesse> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e2/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[02:58] <zkriesse> wait
[02:58] <brandonj> um
[02:58] <zkriesse> fixed it
[02:58] <zkriesse> i think
[02:58] <brandonj> what was the issue?
[02:59] <brandonj> it seems to be working, the page says 'updating branch' now
[02:59] <zkriesse> 6. Finally, run:
[02:59] <zkriesse>    bzr push
[02:59] <zkriesse>    If you've never pushed code to this branch before, bzr will
[02:59] <zkriesse> complain.  You can run:
[02:59] <zkriesse>    bzr push lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e2
[02:59] <zkriesse>    to satisfy it.  From that point on, bzr will remember the location
[02:59] <zkriesse> and you should be able to simply run 'bzr push'.
[02:59] <zkriesse> that bzr manual on lists.lp
[02:59] <zkriesse> godbyk: sent that to me
[02:59] <brandonj> right
[02:59] <brandonj> ok
[03:00] <brandonj> you've got revisions 115 & 116
[03:00] <brandonj> oh I see.  You did a commit earlier today, but didn't push it afterwords
[03:00] <zkriesse> yeah
[03:00] <zkriesse> I thought i did
[03:00] <zkriesse> still learning
[03:00] <brandonj> no big deal
[03:01] <zkriesse> so now i can change the bug status of the one i fixed
[03:01] <zkriesse> right?
[03:01] <brandonj> to "fix commited"
[03:01] <brandonj> not "fix released"
[03:02] <zkriesse> ok
[03:03] <zkriesse> i guess i'll just skip using that Bazaar explorer and just use the terminal
[03:03] <zkriesse> Terminal is better anyway is it not
[03:04] <brandonj> I haven't used a gui for it, so I can't really say
[03:04] <zkriesse> ah
[03:04] <brandonj> but the cli gets the job done
[03:04] <zkriesse> well i need to take a shower..when i come back i'll have some more questions if that's ok?
[03:04] <brandonj> sure
[03:04] <zkriesse> cool
[03:05] <zkriesse> thanks dude
[03:06] <brandonj> no problem
[04:25] <zkriesse> brandonj: ping
[04:27] <brandonj> hi
[04:27] <brandonj> zkriesse: pong
[04:28] <zkriesse> brandonj: when i try to unlock my ubuntu-manual to update i get "The lock for '/home/zach/Projects/ubuntu-manual' is in use and cannot be broken"
[04:28] <zkriesse> Any idea on how to fix that?
[04:29] <brandonj> I've never encountered that problem
[04:29] <zkriesse> hmm
[04:29] <brandonj> maybe it has something to do with the gui you're using?
[04:30] <zkriesse> eh not using it now
[04:30] <zkriesse> using terminal
[04:30] <brandonj> what command did you use that produced that error?
[04:31] <zkriesse> wasn't a terminal command at first
[04:31] <zkriesse> in the ubuntu-manual folder i choose to update and it caved
[04:31] <zkriesse> but i think that update button is there cause of the GUi
[04:31] <zkriesse> so i think i'm gonna uninstall that
[04:31] <brandonj> 'bzr pull'?
[04:35] <zkriesse> bzr pull produces no issues
[04:35] <zkriesse> i think it's the GUI causing issues
[04:35] <brandonj> ok
[04:36] <zkriesse> I'll just use the terminal
[04:36] <brandonj> I once tried a similar gui for svn and it just caused me problems
[04:36] <zkriesse> Any commands that you can give me?
[04:36] <brandonj> well basically the only commands you really need are pull, commit, and push
[04:36] <zkriesse> ok
[04:36] <zkriesse> pull does what
[04:36] <brandonj> you can always type 'man bzr' to read the man page
[04:37] <brandonj> bzr pull downloads newer revisions from launchpad
[04:37] <zkriesse> how do i edit pages and such via the terminal?
[04:37] <brandonj> you don't have to do that in the terminal if you don't want to
[04:38] <zkriesse> Ok
[04:38] <zkriesse> Well how do i edit a page
[04:38] <brandonj> just open them in gedit or whatever
[04:38] <zkriesse> ok
[04:38] <zkriesse> Are the pages in the different folders in /Projects/ubuntu-manual?
[04:39] <brandonj> every chapter has a folder
[04:39] <zkriesse> ok
[04:39] <brandonj> so you can see there are folders for "installation" "commandline" "around-desktop" etc
[04:39] <brandonj> each of those corresponds to a chapter
[04:39] <zkriesse> ok
[04:40] <brandonj> each folder has one or more .tex files that contain the actual text
[04:40] <zkriesse> yup
[04:40] <brandonj> you're familiar with latex?
[04:40] <zkriesse> ah no
[04:41] <brandonj> so if you open up one of the tex files you'll see they're all writen in latex
[04:41] <zkriesse> Ah
[04:41] <zkriesse> that's the format
[04:41] <brandonj> right
[04:41] <zkriesse> I wondered about that
[04:41] <brandonj> latex is what generates nice pdfs
[04:41] <brandonj> so there is a style guide somewhere that will give you a quick intro to what you need to know about that
[04:41] <brandonj> let me find it
[04:42]  * zkriesse waits
[04:42] <brandonj> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/StyleGuide
[04:43] <brandonj> so theres some basic latex stuff there
[04:43] <zkriesse> ok
[04:44] <brandonj> oh ignore that style guide
[04:44] <brandonj> this is the better one
[04:44] <brandonj> http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf
[04:45] <zkriesse> yup  got that already
[04:45] <brandonj> so theres basic latex stuff in there
[04:45] <zkriesse> ok cool
[04:46] <brandonj> you should be able to build the manual by typing 'make ubuntu-manual-en_US.pdf'
[04:46] <brandonj> its usually a good idea to test that it still works after you make changes
[04:47] <zkriesse> I keep seeing alot of LaTeX Marginpar error on page ""
[04:47] <zkriesse> is that bad?
[04:47] <brandonj> there will be lots of warnings
[04:47] <zkriesse> ok
[04:47] <brandonj> did you install the latest version of latex like is says on the website?
[04:49] <zkriesse> you mean the one to compile from source? yes
[04:50] <brandonj> ok.  did your pdf build correctly?
[04:50] <zkriesse> meaning?
[04:50] <brandonj> did it say "Success! Wrote 165 pages"?
[04:51] <zkriesse> oh yeah
[04:51] <brandonj> ok, good
[04:51] <zkriesse> :D
[04:51] <zkriesse> sorry for being such a noob at this
[04:51] <brandonj> not a problem
[04:51] <zkriesse> All I really edit is wiki stuff
[04:53] <brandonj> oh look at that
[04:53] <brandonj> there is a readme.txt file that has some useful info in there
[04:53] <zkriesse> ok
[04:54] <zkriesse> pardon me for just a few, i've got to go ask my team if theyve been doing anything for the SoD project lately
[04:59] <zkriesse> back
[05:01] <brandonj> ok
[05:02] <zkriesse> was going to change that Mac OS X issue
[05:02] <zkriesse> I think it should be caps
[05:03] <brandonj> hm i dont know much about that
[05:03] <zkriesse> Eh
[05:03] <zkriesse> I think godbyk is working on it anyway
[05:18] <zkriesse> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/556425
[05:18] <zkriesse> what do you think about that one
[05:19] <brandonj> if you'd like to start working on it go ahead
[05:20] <brandonj> I think the idea for the maverick release is to be more noob friendly
[05:20] <zkriesse> ah
[05:20] <zkriesse> which is good
[05:20] <brandonj> ilya haykinson is the author coordinator, so you might give him a heads-up too
[05:21] <zkriesse> any way that you know of that i can contact by?
[05:21] <brandonj> on here
[05:21] <brandonj> or email
[05:22] <brandonj> https://launchpad.net/~haykinson
[05:22] <zkriesse> thanks
[05:22] <brandonj> np
[05:53] <JamesMR> http://omgubuntu.co.uk/
[05:53] <JamesMR> post on the book stats
[05:54] <brandonj> awesome
[05:54] <JamesMR> by humphreybc
[05:54] <humphreybc> :)
[05:54] <humphreybc> Original stats gathered and summarized by godbyk :)
[05:55] <JamesMR> OmgBot announces when new posts are made on the OMG!
[05:55] <humphreybc> heh
[05:55] <brandonj> it would be silly of him not to
[05:55] <humphreybc> possibly the most useful thing OmgBot does, apart from the ability to give people a beer
[05:56] <JamesMR> haha
[05:56] <brandonj> if only they were real
[05:56] <JamesMR> there is another one that he does which I forget
[05:56] <JamesMR> I should know, I wrote it
[05:56] <humphreybc> lol
[05:58] <JamesMR> !digest
[05:58] <JamesMR> that's the one
[06:50] <abhi_nav> is kevin godby here?
[06:55] <abhi_nav> hello
[08:08] <nisshh> ooh: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/pytask-task-manager-is-simple.html thats my app
[08:08] <nisshh> :)
[08:20] <nisshh> humphreybc: that was a touching comment on omgubuntu, thanks for that!
[11:05] <c7p> Hello, do anyone have the pictures of the upcoming personas stuff that humphreybc showed us a month ago ?
[11:24] <nisshh> c7p: personas?
[11:24] <nisshh> c7p: i have no idea what you mean
[11:25] <nisshh> someone else might know
[11:28] <c7p> nisshh: I'm not sure if that's the word (i.e persona) that he mentioned, "personas" (or whatever he called it) are some quickstart guides for different imaginary characters e.g Student, Entrepreneur, teenager etc
[11:31] <c7p> nevermind :)
[11:32] <c7p> cu later
[12:40] <dutchie> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/06/26/s03e10-the-fresh-air-cure/ # featuring our very own humphreybc
[12:47] <thorwil> dutchie: does he say anything new or outrageous in there? :)
[12:53] <dutchie> not really
[15:13] <humphreybc> godbyk: ping
[15:22] <dutchie> humphreybc: he's probably still on the train
[15:23] <dutchie> why am i in a permanent state of having no battery? :(
[15:23] <humphreybc> awh
[15:23] <humphreybc> where's godbyk off to/
[15:23] <dutchie> wonder what i should do about the buttons for my dad's new 10.40 install
[15:24] <dutchie> humphreybc: TeX conference in SF
[15:26] <humphreybc> ahh, yes, he's super excited about that
[15:26] <humphreybc> read the comment about the german translation: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/some-fun-stats-from-ubuntu-manual.html
[15:26] <humphreybc> We need to get translated editions out ASAP
[17:34] <godbyk-android> I have AC power on the train, but no Internet.
[17:35] <godbyk-android> Sitting at the Denver station right now.
[17:38] <ubuntujenkins> hey godbyk-android
[17:38] <godbyk-android> Hey, ubuntujenkins.
[17:39] <dutchie> 15:13:56 < humphreybc> godbyk: ping
[17:39] <dutchie> dunno what he wanted
[17:39] <dutchie> i suspect:
[17:40] <dutchie> 15:26:42 < humphreybc> We need to get translated editions out ASAP
[17:40] <godbyk-android> I don't think my net connection (via my phone) will last for too long once we leave Denver.
[17:40] <godbyk-android> Ah, so nothing new. :-)
[17:40] <dutchie> X appears to have heplfully crashed 79% through the install of 10.04 onto my dad's computer
[17:41] <godbyk-android> I might try to work on some of the latex coding things for the translations while I'm on the train. We'll see how it goes.
[17:43] <dutchie> someone was complaining about RTL support in an OMG Ubuntu comment
[17:43] <dutchie> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/some-fun-stats-from-ubuntu-manual.html
[17:44] <godbyk-android> Yeah, I haven't designed the rtl version of the manual yet.
[17:45] <godbyk-android> It's a lower priority given the state I'd those translations, I think.
[17:45] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-android: I worked out that we are using differnet drivers to build some parts of the manual. One of them being that h* word
[17:46] <godbyk-android> hyperref?
[19:35] <zkriesse> hey gents
[19:38] <ubuntujenkins> hello zkriesse
[19:38] <zkriesse> ah hi ubuntujenkins
[19:40] <ubuntujenkins> quite in here
[19:42] <zkriesse> yeah
[19:43] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: is there a meeting tonight?
[19:43] <zkriesse> ubuntujenkins: there was a meeting the other day
[19:43] <zkriesse> don't know if that's the one you're thinking of
[19:43] <zkriesse> Wait...sorry
[19:43] <zkriesse> I'm thinking of the docs meeting
[19:43] <ubuntujenkins> no worries
[19:45] <ubuntujenkins> pleia2: are we having the docs/manual/learning meeting soon?
[19:59] <zkriesse> ah vish ya round?
[19:59] <zkriesse> godbyk: how bout u
[19:59] <ubuntujenkins> zkriesse: godbyk is on a train as far as i know
[19:59] <zkriesse> ah
[19:59] <zkriesse> ok
[19:59] <zkriesse> ubuntujenkins: Well I'm Zach..just started out wit you guys
[20:00] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: no idea
[20:00] <ubuntujenkins> hello Zach Kriesse right?
[20:00] <zkriesse> yes
[20:00] <ubuntujenkins> what would you like help with?
[20:00] <ubuntujenkins> if anything :)
[20:00] <zkriesse> Well the https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/556425
[20:00] <zkriesse> I'm trying to figure out how much info do we want on the actual kernel itself
[20:01] <zkriesse> too much can overwhelm the person(s) reading it...and from what godbyk told me it's going to start getting aimed at the much newer noob user
[20:02] <ubuntujenkins> well personally i would say very little the manual is for people who are moving over from windows /getting started.( what godbyk said)
[20:02] <zkriesse> Exactly
[20:02] <ubuntujenkins> something like...
[20:02] <zkriesse> and describing a kernel is going to be like, an overload of huge proportions
[20:03] <ubuntujenkins> yea
[20:03] <brandonj> come up with simple analogy & stick with that
[20:03] <zkriesse> ah hey brandonj
[20:03] <brandonj> hi
[20:03] <ubuntujenkins> hello brandonj
[20:04] <zkriesse> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel
[20:04] <zkriesse> I found that....think you could pull the good info and i'll paste it in there?
[20:04] <zkriesse> I'm not too familiar with the kernel myself
[20:04] <zkriesse> I know WHAT it is but not a whole lot
[20:05] <brandonj> the reader doesn't need to know a whole lot, or even a little lot
[20:05] <ubuntujenkins> hmm best to write it yourself. i think about three lines is all we need if anything
[20:05] <zkriesse> Ok
[20:05] <thorwil> do our readers need to know anything about the kernel, actually?
[20:05] <ubuntujenkins> thats what i am thinking
[20:05] <zkriesse> Let me think of what I'd write then I'll paste it here for review before i commit it
[20:05] <ubuntujenkins> they just need ubuntu to work
[20:06] <zkriesse> True
[20:06] <ubuntujenkins> 8thinking/leaning towards
[20:06] <brandonj> I think they should be aware of its presence, so if somebody else mentions it they aren't completely confused
[20:06] <zkriesse> Using Ubuntu itself is going to be a lot itself so a little will still be quite a bit
[20:07] <ubuntujenkins> zkriesse: we write in us english which has confused me as i am in the uk
[20:07] <ubuntujenkins> just in case no one had said :)
[20:07] <zkriesse> ubuntujenkins: ah
[20:09] <ubuntujenkins> I can't write anything that makes sense
[20:10] <zkriesse> lol
[20:11] <ubuntujenkins> all my stuff would just confuse people more than not telling them about it
[20:12] <brandonj> is UK english more confusing than US english?
[20:13] <ubuntujenkins> they are very similar but some spelling is different, which is harder to rember
[20:13] <ubuntujenkins> *remember if you forget spelling easily like me.
[20:13] <brandonj> yeah but that wouldn't confuse and reasonable person
[20:13] <brandonj> any*
[20:14] <ubuntujenkins> of course not but we try and make it all the same and then we translate to english uk
[20:14] <brandonj> right
[20:15] <ubuntujenkins> ChrisWoollard: how is the english uk manual going?
[20:15] <brandonj> builds.u-m.org says 100%
[20:16] <ubuntujenkins> yea but then there is lots of extra tweaks and adjustments to get the layout spot on
[20:16] <brandonj> oh
[20:16] <ubuntujenkins> we like it looking smart and neat
[20:17] <zkriesse> hehe
[20:17] <ubuntujenkins> like margin note in the correct place they can some times be slightly out of place. also we don't want them over two pages also there is a whole list of other things
[20:18] <ubuntujenkins> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/translationtodo
[20:19] <ubuntujenkins> thats the list of stuff
[20:19] <ubuntujenkins> plus check fonts, and i have to sort the index rules if it is not supported by xindy
[20:49] <pleia2> ubuntujenkins: let me touch base with doctormo and get back to you re: meeting... hopefully I'll plan it on a day which isn't a holiday this time :)
[20:49] <zkriesse> hey pleia2
[20:50] <pleia2> ubuntujenkins: sounds like none of the teams have settled on document format, I've been working with docbook some though
[20:53] <pleia2> doh
[20:53] <pleia2> morning zkriesse
[20:53] <zkriesse> :D
[21:43] <zkriesse> brandonj: hey
[21:43] <zkriesse> question
[21:43] <zkriesse> trying to convert a .tex file to .pdf
[21:43] <zkriesse> my own file of course
[21:45] <brandonj> hi
[21:45] <brandonj> um
[21:45] <brandonj> read 'man pdflatex'
[21:45] <dutchie> zkriesse: does "pdflatex <file>.tex" not work?
[21:45] <zkriesse> dutchie: no
[21:46] <zkriesse> it says it can't find the file
[21:46] <zkriesse> I cd'd to my desktop where the file is
[21:46] <zkriesse> wait hold on
[21:46] <zkriesse> one sec
[21:47] <ubuntujenkins> hello again all
[21:47] <zkriesse> This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.40.10 (TeX Live 2009)
[21:47] <zkriesse> entering extended mode
[21:47] <zkriesse> (./WikiGuidelines.tex
[21:47] <zkriesse> LaTeX2e <2009/09/24>
[21:47] <zkriesse> Babel <v3.8l> and hyphenation patterns for english, usenglishmax, dumylang, noh
[21:47] <zkriesse> yphenation, german-x-2009-06-19, ngerman-x-2009-06-19, ancientgreek, ibycus, ar
[21:47] <zkriesse> abic, basque, bulgarian, catalan, pinyin, coptic, croatian, czech, danish, dutc
[21:47] <zkriesse> h, esperanto, estonian, farsi, finnish, french, galician, german, ngerman, mono
[21:47] <zkriesse> greek, greek, hungarian, icelandic, assamese, bengali, gujarati, hindi, kannada
[21:48] <zkriesse> , malayalam, marathi, oriya, panjabi, tamil, telugu, indonesian, interlingua, i
[21:48] <zkriesse> rish, italian, kurmanji, latin, latvian, lithuanian, mongolian, mongolianlmc, b
[21:48] <zkriesse> okmal, nynorsk, polish, portuguese, romanian, russian, sanskrit, serbian, slova
[21:48] <zkriesse> k, slovenian, spanish, swedish, turkish, turkmen, ukenglish, ukrainian, upperso
[21:48] <zkriesse> rbian, welsh, loaded.
[21:48] <zkriesse> ! Undefined control sequence.
[21:48] <zkriesse> l.3 \chapter
[21:48] <zkriesse>             {Wiki Editing}
[21:48] <zkriesse> ?
[21:48] <zkriesse> ok what do i do?
[21:48] <brandonj> rather than pasting that in here can you use a pastebin?
[21:48] <zkriesse> oops sorry
[21:48] <zkriesse> forgot
[21:48] <brandonj> heh its ok
[21:49] <zkriesse> as many times as i've told people to use pastebin i should know better
[21:49] <brandonj> can you post your .tex file as well?
[21:49] <zkriesse> you mean the one i wish to convert?
[21:49] <brandonj> yes
[21:50] <dutchie> i bet you need to \documentclass{book}
[21:50] <brandonj> that could be it
[21:51] <zkriesse> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/455626/
[21:52] <brandonj> yes, add \documentclass{book}
[21:52] <dutchie> zkriesse: you need a load of stuff around that
[21:52] <zkriesse> ok what
[21:52] <dutchie> \begin{document} wouldn't go amiss
[21:52] <dutchie> hang on
[21:52] <zkriesse> ok
[21:52] <zkriesse> Ugh...hate being a noob
[21:53] <dutchie> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Absolute_Beginners#The_LaTeX_source for a minimal LaTeX document
[21:53] <dutchie> that wikibook is rather good iirc
[21:54] <zkriesse> ok so what do i do
[21:54] <zkriesse> I'm more than new to this so...
[21:54] <zkriesse> ah wait
[21:54] <zkriesse> hold on lemme look
[21:56] <dutchie> zkriesse: you want something like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/455628/
[21:57] <zkriesse> it still didn't work
[21:58] <dutchie> what was the error now?
[21:58] <zkriesse> one sec
[21:59] <brandonj> \gls isn't defined I don't think
[22:00] <brandonj> so that should give you an error
[22:03] <zkriesse> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/455631/
[22:04] <brandonj> did it work?
[22:04] <zkriesse> no
[22:05] <zkriesse> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/455631/
[22:05] <brandonj> it says Output written on WikiGuidelines.pdf
[22:05] <zkriesse> yeah but the pages are all messed up
[22:05] <dutchie> try running it a few times
[22:05] <dutchie> that sometimes sorts it out
[22:06] <zkriesse> nope
[22:06] <zkriesse> it's all messed up
[22:07] <zkriesse> blank pages and such
[22:07] <brandonj> those are meant to be there I think
[22:07] <brandonj> from the book class
[22:08] <zkriesse> I really didn't want a book
[22:08] <zkriesse> just a page
[22:09] <brandonj> try \documentclass{article} instead
[22:09] <zkriesse> i did and it said it's missing a slash
[22:09] <zkriesse> \
[22:11] <brandonj> remove the table of contents
[22:11] <brandonj> and change \chapter to \section
[22:11] <brandonj> \chapter doesnt exist in the article class
[22:12] <brandonj> you can change the other sections to \subsection
[22:12] <brandonj> and \subsubsection as appropriate
[22:14] <zkriesse> ok now it's getting there
[22:15] <zkriesse> how do i add a text link?
[22:15] <zkriesse> or is that not possible
[22:15] <brandonj> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Hyperlinks
[22:15] <dutchie> a text link to what?
[22:15] <zkriesse> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
[22:16] <brandonj> if you put \usepackage{hyperref} in the preamble (the part before \begin{document}) you can use \url{url}
[22:17] <brandonj> or you can do \href{url}{text}
[22:19] <zkriesse> ok think i got it
[22:20] <zkriesse> I want to push it up to my project on lp
[22:20] <zkriesse> oh it put WikiGuidelines.toc on my desktop.
[22:21] <zkriesse> can i delete that stuff?
[22:21] <brandonj> yeah
[22:21] <zkriesse> ok pushing it up to lp
[22:22] <brandonj> i don't know a whole lot about launchpad
[22:22] <brandonj> do you already have a branch you're using?
[22:23] <zkriesse> yeh
[22:23] <zkriesse> THink i got it
[22:24] <brandonj> i think you can just do bzr add file.tex
[22:25] <zkriesse> many thanks getns
[22:25] <zkriesse> "gents
[22:31] <brandonj> I'm off to study for the gre
[22:31] <brandonj> bye
[23:51] <godbyk-android> Passing through Glenwood Springs, Colorado, now.
[23:52] <godbyk-android> Will see how long the cell phone reception lasts.
[23:53] <zkriesse> godbyk-android: cool
[23:55] <godbyk-android> Some mother keeps screaming at her baby to stop crying; the baby's paying no mind.
[23:55] <godbyk-android> (Not entirely sure how she expected that to work.)