[02:22] hello nisshh [02:23] zkriesse: hey [02:24] nisshh: and how are you this fine day/afternoon/evening [02:24] zkriesse: really good actually, im planning on playing some urban terror then im going out and then ill be writing some code [02:25] zkriesse: how about you? [02:25] eh editing some manual stuff, trying to move my knee as little as possible [02:25] I'm Zach btw...new 'round the manual team [02:26] zkriesse: right, didnt think id seen you in here before [02:26] just popped in the other night [02:26] zkriesse: im Ryan, iv been working on the manual since the start [02:26] Well nice to meet ya's [02:26] you too [02:26] :) [02:27] Fortunately I know a few of ya's on the project [02:27] cjohnston: for one [02:28] yea [02:28] and pleia2 [02:28] I work with her on the Learning/Classroom stuff [02:29] oh cool [02:29] I think so anyway [02:29] its like 3 teams in one now, huh? [02:29] Least she asked me to do a User Day course so.... [02:29] meh [02:30] Sad part is I had the outline for my "speech" all written up, switched back to my 'buntu after a windows period and forgot to save the darn file [02:30] so now i gotta start over [02:31] zkriesse: oh, that happens i guess, i dont even use windows anymore [02:31] never needed it [02:31] I was for a while [02:32] zkriesse: yea, doing stuff like that was what taught me the importance of backups [02:32] he [02:40] vish: ya round? [02:41] nisshh: how bout u [02:46] zkriesse: whats that? [02:46] sorry i was busy [02:47] nisshh: ok fixing a manual bug [02:47] I'm using Bazaar Explorer [02:47] To commit the bug fix what do i put in the "Bug" field [02:48] zkriesse: oh, i have no idea, iv never used BE [02:48] ok what about the terminal [02:48] zkriesse: oh thats easy [02:48] I'm typing in bzr commit but now i don't know what to type [02:49] zkriesse: bzr commit -m "Fixed bug LP: [02:49] zkriesse: bzr commit -m "Fixed bug LP:" [02:49] ok [02:49] also you can add the --fixes option [02:49] lemme try that [02:49] brandonj: good point [02:49] bzr commit --fixes=lp: -m "Fixed bug lp:" [02:50] yea thats it [02:51] bzr commit --fixes=lp: -m "Fixed bug lp:" that look right? [02:51] no no [02:51] haha [02:51] no <'s or >'s [02:52] ok [02:52] and don't put [02:52] bug #596853 [02:52] just do [02:52] bzr commit --fixes=lp:596853 -m "Fixed bug lp:596853" [02:52] sorry for the confusion [02:55] Ok i did that...now how will i know it's fixed? [02:55] did you push it? [02:55] yes [02:56] it should show up here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e2 [02:56] are you sure you did `bzr push`? [02:57] I think so [02:57] ok [02:57] wait.... [02:57] nope i did the commit part [02:57] right [02:57] now i need to do bzr push [02:57] so after you commit you need to push [02:58] Using saved push location: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e2/ [02:58] bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e2/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir() [02:58] wait [02:58] um [02:58] fixed it [02:58] i think [02:58] what was the issue? [02:59] it seems to be working, the page says 'updating branch' now [02:59] 6. Finally, run: [02:59] bzr push [02:59] If you've never pushed code to this branch before, bzr will [02:59] complain. You can run: [02:59] bzr push lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e2 [02:59] to satisfy it. From that point on, bzr will remember the location [02:59] and you should be able to simply run 'bzr push'. [02:59] that bzr manual on lists.lp [02:59] godbyk: sent that to me [02:59] right [02:59] ok [03:00] you've got revisions 115 & 116 [03:00] oh I see. You did a commit earlier today, but didn't push it afterwords [03:00] yeah [03:00] I thought i did [03:00] still learning [03:00] no big deal [03:01] so now i can change the bug status of the one i fixed [03:01] right? [03:01] to "fix commited" [03:01] not "fix released" [03:02] ok [03:03] i guess i'll just skip using that Bazaar explorer and just use the terminal [03:03] Terminal is better anyway is it not [03:04] I haven't used a gui for it, so I can't really say [03:04] ah [03:04] but the cli gets the job done [03:04] well i need to take a shower..when i come back i'll have some more questions if that's ok? [03:04] sure [03:04] cool [03:05] thanks dude [03:06] no problem [04:25] brandonj: ping [04:27] hi [04:27] zkriesse: pong [04:28] brandonj: when i try to unlock my ubuntu-manual to update i get "The lock for '/home/zach/Projects/ubuntu-manual' is in use and cannot be broken" [04:28] Any idea on how to fix that? [04:29] I've never encountered that problem [04:29] hmm [04:29] maybe it has something to do with the gui you're using? [04:30] eh not using it now [04:30] using terminal [04:30] what command did you use that produced that error? [04:31] wasn't a terminal command at first [04:31] in the ubuntu-manual folder i choose to update and it caved [04:31] but i think that update button is there cause of the GUi [04:31] so i think i'm gonna uninstall that [04:31] 'bzr pull'? [04:35] bzr pull produces no issues [04:35] i think it's the GUI causing issues [04:35] ok [04:36] I'll just use the terminal [04:36] I once tried a similar gui for svn and it just caused me problems [04:36] Any commands that you can give me? [04:36] well basically the only commands you really need are pull, commit, and push [04:36] ok [04:36] pull does what [04:36] you can always type 'man bzr' to read the man page [04:37] bzr pull downloads newer revisions from launchpad [04:37] how do i edit pages and such via the terminal? [04:37] you don't have to do that in the terminal if you don't want to [04:38] Ok [04:38] Well how do i edit a page [04:38] just open them in gedit or whatever [04:38] ok [04:38] Are the pages in the different folders in /Projects/ubuntu-manual? [04:39] every chapter has a folder [04:39] ok [04:39] so you can see there are folders for "installation" "commandline" "around-desktop" etc [04:39] each of those corresponds to a chapter [04:39] ok [04:40] each folder has one or more .tex files that contain the actual text [04:40] yup [04:40] you're familiar with latex? [04:40] ah no [04:41] so if you open up one of the tex files you'll see they're all writen in latex [04:41] Ah [04:41] that's the format [04:41] right [04:41] I wondered about that [04:41] latex is what generates nice pdfs [04:41] so there is a style guide somewhere that will give you a quick intro to what you need to know about that [04:41] let me find it [04:42] * zkriesse waits [04:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/StyleGuide [04:43] so theres some basic latex stuff there [04:43] ok [04:44] oh ignore that style guide [04:44] this is the better one [04:44] http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf [04:45] yup got that already [04:45] so theres basic latex stuff in there [04:45] ok cool [04:46] you should be able to build the manual by typing 'make ubuntu-manual-en_US.pdf' [04:46] its usually a good idea to test that it still works after you make changes [04:47] I keep seeing alot of LaTeX Marginpar error on page "" [04:47] is that bad? [04:47] there will be lots of warnings [04:47] ok [04:47] did you install the latest version of latex like is says on the website? [04:49] you mean the one to compile from source? yes [04:50] ok. did your pdf build correctly? [04:50] meaning? [04:50] did it say "Success! Wrote 165 pages"? [04:51] oh yeah [04:51] ok, good [04:51] :D [04:51] sorry for being such a noob at this [04:51] not a problem [04:51] All I really edit is wiki stuff [04:53] oh look at that [04:53] there is a readme.txt file that has some useful info in there [04:53] ok [04:54] pardon me for just a few, i've got to go ask my team if theyve been doing anything for the SoD project lately [04:59] back [05:01] ok [05:02] was going to change that Mac OS X issue [05:02] I think it should be caps [05:03] hm i dont know much about that [05:03] Eh [05:03] I think godbyk is working on it anyway [05:18] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/556425 [05:18] what do you think about that one [05:19] if you'd like to start working on it go ahead [05:20] I think the idea for the maverick release is to be more noob friendly [05:20] ah [05:20] which is good [05:20] ilya haykinson is the author coordinator, so you might give him a heads-up too [05:21] any way that you know of that i can contact by? [05:21] on here [05:21] or email [05:22] https://launchpad.net/~haykinson [05:22] thanks [05:22] np [05:53] http://omgubuntu.co.uk/ [05:53] post on the book stats [05:54] awesome [05:54] by humphreybc [05:54] :) [05:54] Original stats gathered and summarized by godbyk :) [05:55] OmgBot announces when new posts are made on the OMG! [05:55] heh [05:55] it would be silly of him not to [05:55] possibly the most useful thing OmgBot does, apart from the ability to give people a beer [05:56] haha [05:56] if only they were real [05:56] there is another one that he does which I forget [05:56] I should know, I wrote it [05:56] lol [05:58] !digest [05:58] that's the one [06:50] is kevin godby here? [06:55] hello [08:08] ooh: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/pytask-task-manager-is-simple.html thats my app [08:08] :) [08:20] humphreybc: that was a touching comment on omgubuntu, thanks for that! [11:05] Hello, do anyone have the pictures of the upcoming personas stuff that humphreybc showed us a month ago ? [11:24] c7p: personas? [11:24] c7p: i have no idea what you mean [11:25] someone else might know [11:28] nisshh: I'm not sure if that's the word (i.e persona) that he mentioned, "personas" (or whatever he called it) are some quickstart guides for different imaginary characters e.g Student, Entrepreneur, teenager etc [11:31] nevermind :) [11:32] cu later [12:40] http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/06/26/s03e10-the-fresh-air-cure/ # featuring our very own humphreybc [12:47] dutchie: does he say anything new or outrageous in there? :) [12:53] not really === ZachK_ is now known as zkriesse [15:13] godbyk: ping [15:22] humphreybc: he's probably still on the train [15:23] why am i in a permanent state of having no battery? :( [15:23] awh [15:23] where's godbyk off to/ [15:23] wonder what i should do about the buttons for my dad's new 10.40 install [15:24] humphreybc: TeX conference in SF [15:26] ahh, yes, he's super excited about that [15:26] read the comment about the german translation: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/some-fun-stats-from-ubuntu-manual.html [15:26] We need to get translated editions out ASAP [17:34] I have AC power on the train, but no Internet. [17:35] Sitting at the Denver station right now. [17:38] hey godbyk-android [17:38] Hey, ubuntujenkins. [17:39] 15:13:56 < humphreybc> godbyk: ping [17:39] dunno what he wanted [17:39] i suspect: [17:40] 15:26:42 < humphreybc> We need to get translated editions out ASAP [17:40] I don't think my net connection (via my phone) will last for too long once we leave Denver. [17:40] Ah, so nothing new. :-) [17:40] X appears to have heplfully crashed 79% through the install of 10.04 onto my dad's computer [17:41] I might try to work on some of the latex coding things for the translations while I'm on the train. We'll see how it goes. [17:43] someone was complaining about RTL support in an OMG Ubuntu comment [17:43] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/some-fun-stats-from-ubuntu-manual.html [17:44] Yeah, I haven't designed the rtl version of the manual yet. [17:45] It's a lower priority given the state I'd those translations, I think. [17:45] godbyk-android: I worked out that we are using differnet drivers to build some parts of the manual. One of them being that h* word [17:46] hyperref? [19:35] hey gents [19:38] hello zkriesse [19:38] ah hi ubuntujenkins [19:40] quite in here [19:42] yeah [19:43] dutchie: is there a meeting tonight? [19:43] ubuntujenkins: there was a meeting the other day [19:43] don't know if that's the one you're thinking of [19:43] Wait...sorry [19:43] I'm thinking of the docs meeting [19:43] no worries [19:45] pleia2: are we having the docs/manual/learning meeting soon? [19:59] ah vish ya round? [19:59] godbyk: how bout u [19:59] zkriesse: godbyk is on a train as far as i know [19:59] ah [19:59] ok [19:59] ubuntujenkins: Well I'm Zach..just started out wit you guys [20:00] ubuntujenkins: no idea [20:00] hello Zach Kriesse right? [20:00] yes [20:00] what would you like help with? [20:00] if anything :) [20:00] Well the https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/556425 [20:00] I'm trying to figure out how much info do we want on the actual kernel itself [20:01] too much can overwhelm the person(s) reading it...and from what godbyk told me it's going to start getting aimed at the much newer noob user [20:02] well personally i would say very little the manual is for people who are moving over from windows /getting started.( what godbyk said) [20:02] Exactly [20:02] something like... [20:02] and describing a kernel is going to be like, an overload of huge proportions [20:03] yea [20:03] come up with simple analogy & stick with that [20:03] ah hey brandonj [20:03] hi [20:03] hello brandonj [20:04] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel [20:04] I found that....think you could pull the good info and i'll paste it in there? [20:04] I'm not too familiar with the kernel myself [20:04] I know WHAT it is but not a whole lot [20:05] the reader doesn't need to know a whole lot, or even a little lot [20:05] hmm best to write it yourself. i think about three lines is all we need if anything [20:05] Ok [20:05] do our readers need to know anything about the kernel, actually? [20:05] thats what i am thinking [20:05] Let me think of what I'd write then I'll paste it here for review before i commit it [20:05] they just need ubuntu to work [20:06] True [20:06] 8thinking/leaning towards [20:06] I think they should be aware of its presence, so if somebody else mentions it they aren't completely confused [20:06] Using Ubuntu itself is going to be a lot itself so a little will still be quite a bit [20:07] zkriesse: we write in us english which has confused me as i am in the uk [20:07] just in case no one had said :) [20:07] ubuntujenkins: ah [20:09] I can't write anything that makes sense [20:10] lol [20:11] all my stuff would just confuse people more than not telling them about it [20:12] is UK english more confusing than US english? [20:13] they are very similar but some spelling is different, which is harder to rember [20:13] *remember if you forget spelling easily like me. [20:13] yeah but that wouldn't confuse and reasonable person [20:13] any* [20:14] of course not but we try and make it all the same and then we translate to english uk [20:14] right [20:15] ChrisWoollard: how is the english uk manual going? [20:15] builds.u-m.org says 100% [20:16] yea but then there is lots of extra tweaks and adjustments to get the layout spot on [20:16] oh [20:16] we like it looking smart and neat [20:17] hehe [20:17] like margin note in the correct place they can some times be slightly out of place. also we don't want them over two pages also there is a whole list of other things [20:18] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/translationtodo [20:19] thats the list of stuff [20:19] plus check fonts, and i have to sort the index rules if it is not supported by xindy [20:49] ubuntujenkins: let me touch base with doctormo and get back to you re: meeting... hopefully I'll plan it on a day which isn't a holiday this time :) [20:49] hey pleia2 [20:50] ubuntujenkins: sounds like none of the teams have settled on document format, I've been working with docbook some though [20:53] doh [20:53] morning zkriesse [20:53] :D [21:43] brandonj: hey [21:43] question [21:43] trying to convert a .tex file to .pdf [21:43] my own file of course [21:45] hi [21:45] um [21:45] read 'man pdflatex' [21:45] zkriesse: does "pdflatex .tex" not work? [21:45] dutchie: no [21:46] it says it can't find the file [21:46] I cd'd to my desktop where the file is [21:46] wait hold on [21:46] one sec [21:47] hello again all [21:47] This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.40.10 (TeX Live 2009) [21:47] entering extended mode [21:47] (./WikiGuidelines.tex [21:47] LaTeX2e <2009/09/24> [21:47] Babel and hyphenation patterns for english, usenglishmax, dumylang, noh [21:47] yphenation, german-x-2009-06-19, ngerman-x-2009-06-19, ancientgreek, ibycus, ar [21:47] abic, basque, bulgarian, catalan, pinyin, coptic, croatian, czech, danish, dutc [21:47] h, esperanto, estonian, farsi, finnish, french, galician, german, ngerman, mono [21:47] greek, greek, hungarian, icelandic, assamese, bengali, gujarati, hindi, kannada [21:48] , malayalam, marathi, oriya, panjabi, tamil, telugu, indonesian, interlingua, i [21:48] rish, italian, kurmanji, latin, latvian, lithuanian, mongolian, mongolianlmc, b [21:48] okmal, nynorsk, polish, portuguese, romanian, russian, sanskrit, serbian, slova [21:48] k, slovenian, spanish, swedish, turkish, turkmen, ukenglish, ukrainian, upperso [21:48] rbian, welsh, loaded. [21:48] ! Undefined control sequence. [21:48] l.3 \chapter [21:48] {Wiki Editing} [21:48] ? [21:48] ok what do i do? [21:48] rather than pasting that in here can you use a pastebin? [21:48] oops sorry [21:48] forgot [21:48] heh its ok [21:49] as many times as i've told people to use pastebin i should know better [21:49] can you post your .tex file as well? [21:49] you mean the one i wish to convert? [21:49] yes [21:50]