[00:00] Venim, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1467638 [00:01] hmmm [00:03] hm. Does the xubuntu iso provide for a _update_ rather than a _install_? [00:05] Viking667, i dont believe so, but there are ways of upgrading from one to a newer one [00:05] Raggs: hmm, that seems like it would be the issue [00:06] but i when i press S, nothing loads [00:06] just black screen [00:06] I want to actually install xubuntu to a existing Ubuntu 10.04 [00:06] but I have a bit of a problem. [00:06] Venim, sorry, i just happened upon that, never had that error [00:06] hmm ok [00:06] i'll see what i can do [00:06] Viking667, what is the problem? [00:07] Raggs: he wants to turn ubuntu->xubuntu [00:07] things aren't .... working right. 3D programs don't work, and firefox doesn't want to start up either. [00:07] most other programs seem to work, but those don't. Oh yeah, and Skype gets killed on startup. [00:07] Viking667, what have you tried so far? [00:08] Not a lot, as it's obviously something I installed that threw things out. [00:08] but no idea what that would be? [00:08] I tried installing the "official" ATI drivers, but they didn't recognise my video card (9550) [00:09] Well, then I took that back out, then installed something to do with mesa. That's when some of the 3D programs stopped working for me. [00:09] I don't know what started killing off skype. [00:10] switching from ubuntu to xubuntu isnt a huge thing [00:10] Raggs: yeah, now i get just blackscreen :/ [00:10] try running skype from the command line [00:10] Venim, that aint good [00:11] ugh... stupid graphics drivesr [00:11] drivers* [00:12] i really should've gotten ati drivers :p [00:12] a nvidia card* [00:12] anyone using 10.6 drivers for ati cards? [00:20] sigsev [00:20] sorry, already tried that. [00:21] Oh yeah, and the flaming framebuffer doesn't show anything until Xorg comes up [00:21] back in 9.04, it used to ... can't remember about 9.10 [00:23] hm. A:ctually, that's SIGABRT [00:24] (for Skype) [00:25] and as I haven't got the source code, I can't exactly say what's killing it off. [00:26] the other thing is, the install is a standard Ubuntu, packed out with the Studio packages and quite a few others. [00:31] Viking667, not sure, sorry [00:31] no, neither am I. [00:32] That's why I thought i'd try with installing an Xubuntu over the top of a standard Ubuntu... but I somehow don't see any upgrade in-place option [00:32] Viking667, do you have a seperate /home? [00:32] no, in this case. [00:33] The drive was only 80Gb, and only 60Gb was Ubuntoid. [00:33] s/was/is/ [00:33] 8G / and the resst /home would be ok [00:33] doesnt help you now though [00:33] heh. I'm not sure. Hang on a minute, I'll check. [00:38] Hm. Seems my / takes up more than 8Gb, even if I remove /home and /VM [00:39] Viking667, show me the output of df -h [00:39] Ah well. It's not helped by the fact that my DVD burner no longer seems to work right, and I've no idea why. [00:39] it's on the other machine, give me a minute. [00:39] /dev/sdb2 64522916 57645864 3599392 95% / [00:40] forgot the -h [00:40] * Viking667 blinks [00:40] Sorry, I'm so used to using the real figure. [00:41] np [00:41] comes from being in the Linux world for so long some things set in concrete... [00:41] like usig grep as arg to find command: -exec grep pattern {} /dev/null \; [00:41] well, no seperate home there [00:42] hm. I meant to add a -n in there somewhere [00:42] Raggs: that's right. There's no separate home on that drive. [00:42] how new of an install? [00:42] It's been around since ..... 8.10, I guess, though I cleaned stuff out. [00:43] I could always strip back to the bone again, try reinstalling. [00:43] But that's a good three or four days work to get it back to rights. [00:43] i would suggest asking in ubuntu first [00:43] i.e. remove bloody pulseaudio cos it does'nt work jack on my computer. [00:43] mmm. [00:44] Tried there, no real answers. [00:44] ahhh [00:52] Viking667, i will say that xubuntu is nice [00:52] I know. I installed it on my wife's computer because it's a bit lighter than the normal fare. [02:11] what's the best way to reinstall x [03:29] I don't need samba server running, I just need to have client access to SMB type shares, any thoughts? [03:45] IncrStorm, hi again [03:45] can you remove just the server? [03:56] so... the xubuntu 10.04 install CD doesn't work for me [03:56] perhaps that's why the upgrade didn't work for me as well [03:57] Venim, from ubuntu right? [03:58] no [03:58] xubuntu [03:58] to xubuntu [03:58] I've managed to fix Firefox (removed moonlight-plugin-mozilla) and Skype (enabled the partner repository, and upgraded Skype) [03:58] ok, so that install is messed up? [03:58] now I'm just working through the 3D issues. [03:58] Viking667, great [03:59] Well, not so great. I don't know how to troubleshoot this one. [03:59] Raggs: yes, but i can't even run the live CD [03:59] which shouldn't have anything to do with whats on my HD [03:59] Venim, have you a flashdrive handy? [03:59] ya [03:59] why [03:59] i have an idea [03:59] ok [04:00] ATI Radeon 9550 (rv350), I tried the ATI drivers but they didn't recognise my card. Things went south from there for 3D. [04:00] Venim, look at this http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ [04:00] Oh yeah. And framebuffer has been blank for me since I upgraded to 10.04 [04:00] Viking667, i have intel stuff on most all my computers [04:01] brb, need a reboot [04:01] Heh. It's not ATI or NVidia, so a lot of games don't like me [04:01] <_Techie_> Viking667, for a radeon 9550 you will want to use the ATI driver [04:01] <_Techie_> Viking667, rather than fglrx [04:02] hm? You mean "ati" from opensource? [04:02] <_Techie_> yez [04:02] heh. I ad to go back to that [04:02] weird thing is, I didn't have issues until I tried to install fglrx (as that had worked for me before) [04:03] Now, my direct rendering speed is a quarter of what it was, and my glxinfo strings differ from what I used to have. [04:03] <_Techie_> well, with a card like a 9550 fglrx is bad news.. its aimed at the HD cards [04:03] meh. [04:03] wb, Raggs [04:03] <_Techie_> i use to use a 9600XT and i ran into huge problems with fglrx [04:03] <_Techie_> used* [04:03] thanks Viking667 [04:05] Venim what do you think? [04:06] Raggs: i'm tring it now [04:06] <_Techie_> Venim, may i ask why you need to re install Xubuntu? [04:06] _Techie_: 10.04 upgrade got shitfucked [04:06] <_Techie_> i see [04:07] Venim, watch the language [04:07] heh. I struck that with a 10.04 upgrade of Ubuntu 9.10... things changed, and not for the best. [04:08] bazhang: sry, i'm just quite frustrated [04:09] it seems that my graphics card doesn't work with the 10.04 installer [04:09] * Viking667 knows how Venim feels, but hey. [04:09] Venim, alternate installer tried yet? [04:09] bazhang: that other iso? [04:09] !alternate [04:09] The Alternate CD is a classic text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/alternative-download#alternate - See also !minimal [04:10] Venim, that does well when the live cd chokes [04:11] ok, i will try [04:12] Raggs: yea... live cd doesn't work period with my graphics card [04:13] sorry Venim [04:13] stupid ati... [04:13] why did i pick it :p [04:13] i guess i will put an nvidia card in there [04:15] <_Techie_> Venim, which card is it? [04:15] radeon 5750 [04:15] <_Techie_> aah, nice [04:15] worked just fine in 9.10 [04:15] perfectly [04:16] <_Techie_> i guess ill have to see how the crossfired 5770's go in my new rig when i get the parts [04:16] good luck getting it work <_< [04:16] to work [04:19] i thikn i'm just gonna go and install 9.10 [04:19] and forget about updating [04:22] _Techie_, have you ever used docky? [04:25] <_Techie_> Raggs, nope [04:26] ok, trying to figure out how to get a newer version installed [04:41] ok i'm giving up [04:41] i'm just going to reinstall 9.10 [04:41] and forget about 10.04 [04:42] Hm. Does anyone actually _have_ a /usr/lib/libGL.so symlink pointing anywhere? [05:07] hi xubuntu_newbie [05:07] hi @lighta are you still here? [05:07] hi @Raggs [05:07] I'm still looking a way how to change refresh rate to like 85GHz [05:07] :( it's 60GHz now and blinking so fast that I'm going to be blind [05:07] i am not a great xorg guy, sorry [05:08] haha.. @Raggs, that's fine, it's still good to know there is someone who chats and response even if he/she cannot help much :D [05:08] so @Raggs, this refresh rate has something to do with the XORG? [05:08] yes, i cant do much, i make a mean cocoa though [05:09] well, friends, I have downloaded the Intel Graphics Controller Driver from Intel.com [05:09] however I really donnu how to install it [05:09] you have intel? [05:09] i use a Mac and Windows, first time I use Xubuntu. just downloaded it to my computer a few hours ago [05:09] yes, my old PC uses an Integrated Intel Graphics Card [05:10] heh. 815 or 810 ? [05:10] no, it's a 845G [05:10] * Viking667 blinks... wow. [05:10] my computer was bought in around 2004 [05:10] well, my desktop is now not with me. i'm at office now [05:10] searching for possible solutions [05:13] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26966 [05:13] but it didn't say how :( [05:14] i remember havint to install 915 resolution [05:16] what is 915 resolution? [05:16] an app to use intel 945 equipment [05:16] brb === Raggs_ is now known as Raggs [05:47] <_Techie_> Raggs, did you bail because of xubuntu_newbie? [05:47] god no [05:48] i like to help, however i am easily distracted [05:48] <_Techie_> okay [05:48] adhd is a pain [05:49] i hope it didnt look that way, but clearly it did [05:53] <_Techie_> nah, not really [05:53] <_Techie_> its what i woulda done though [05:54] <_Techie_> also he was trolling i do beliefve [05:54] _Techie_, ok, i would not like to run someone off linux, but if he were a troll ... [05:56] <_Techie_> Raggs, theres 2 reasons why i didnt even bother talking to him... 1) an intel card couldnt output anything near 85Ghz 2) if it could... the display would just go into standby [05:57] ok good to know, my intel stuff works well === kr4zy10 is now known as kr4zy10^zZzZz [07:28] hi all, can someone give me a hand with chroot an installing grub? [07:29] yup [07:29] sweet [07:29] i am in a live cd [07:29] mount /dev/hdnX /your/dir; cd /your/dir; chroot . /bin/bash [07:30] you'll have to tweak the mount line of course [07:30] i have ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /media/67e26105-b997-4ddb-af4e-63d6c50bb225/ [07:30] ah. [07:30] no. [07:30] start with "sudo su -" [07:30] then go: cd /media/bloody-long-string; chroot . /bin/bash [07:31] ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo su - root@ubuntu:~# cd /media/55f999f4-7258-48eb-b186-8a11cec81f37/ chroot . /bin/bash root@ubuntu:/media/55f999f4-7258-48eb-b186-8a11cec81f37# [07:32] Then edit your /etc/grub.d/stuff [07:32] lost me [07:32] weird. [07:32] no, i mean i dont know how [07:32] you don't do it all in one hit. [07:32] i.e. cd /media/55f999f4-7258-48eb-b186-8a11cec81f37/ [07:32] cant just reinstall grub huh [07:32] now do: pwd [07:33] Well, you could... I'm trying to walk you through. [07:33] root[/]# pwd / root[/]# [07:33] ah huh. Is that INSIDE the chroot? [07:33] yes [07:33] good. That lsook correct. [07:33] bah. Looks..... [07:34] now go edit /etc/grub.d/* to suit your setup [07:34] you may also have to check /etc/default/grub to see if you need to change anything in there too... [07:34] I recently went through this when I upgraded the (%)(*@ machine's grub, which was 0.97 at the time. [07:35] hold on, no grub [07:35] huh? [07:35] damn, wrong drive [07:35] ouch [07:37] type exit then... [07:37] that exits the chroot [07:37] and start over [07:38] means you'd better umount 55f99.... [07:38] At least you haven't had my problem... [07:39] root@ubuntu:/# pwd / root@ubuntu:/# [07:39] I wanted to boot the BSDs natively, only problem is, when I boot the respective kernels bare, they complain they're missing certain information that only seems to show when they're actually booted using their boots. [07:39] ok here we go again [07:39] right. Check out /etc/grub.d/* and /etc/default/grub [07:40] root@ubuntu:/etc/grub.d# ls 00_header 05_debian_theme 10_linux 20_memtest86+ 30_os-prober 40_custom README root@ubuntu:/etc/grub.d# [07:41] does 00_header and 10_linux look like it should? [07:41] Remember, there's programming in grub now, to do the probing of Linux kernels [07:41] dont know what they should look like [07:41] that's what 10_linux shows. Any other OSes you want to show up? i.e. Winblows? [07:42] no, another linux, but we can worry bout that when i can get back into buntu [07:42] If It's another Linux, it may be picked up and added by 30_os-prober [07:42] ok [07:43] I don't know, I don't have more than one Linux on a machine [07:43] ... so that's something I've never had occasion to test [07:43] we still need to add grub to the mbr ? [07:43] check out /etc/default/grub now [07:44] what am i looking for? [07:45] Not sure. Check out that the LINUX and LINUX_DEFAULT lines are like you want them to read... especially the UUID of the drive you're booting off. [07:45] Personally, I'd use root=/dev/hda instead of UUID, but hey. [07:45] GRUB_DEFAULT=0 #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian` GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" [07:46] the rest is commented [07:46] hm. I'd remove that quiet and splash [07:46] that way, you get to see text. [07:46] i just want it to boot [07:46] brb... closing door [07:47] try running "update-grub2" [07:47] see what results you get in /boot/grub/grub.cfg as a result [07:48] root@ubuntu:/etc# update-grub2 /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). root@ubuntu:/etc# [07:48] ooogh [07:48] that isnt good [07:49] check if /dev is mounted then [07:49] how? [07:49] type "mount" [07:50] see if one of those is a /dev [07:50] long output [07:50] a few are [07:50] i cant chroot into a unmounted drive can i? [07:50] no [07:50] hm. [07:51] what does ls /dev/[hs]d[a-d]* show? [07:52] showed i am an idiot [07:52] ls /dev/[hs]d[a-d]* /dev/sda /dev/sda2 /dev/sda6 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sda1 /dev/sda5 /dev/sda7 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 [07:52] hm. no fstab? [07:52] oh! run blkid [07:52] see if THAT turns up anything recognisable [07:52] nothing [07:53] ouch. [07:53] then you may need to 'tweak' /etc/fstab [07:54] Viking667: where do you want me to run the comands, in the chroot right? [07:54] yup. [07:54] If you don't see blkid working, then you may have to check out the non-chroot's version [07:55] root@ubuntu:/etc# blkid /dev/loop0: TYPE="squashfs" root@ubuntu:/etc# [07:55] uff. [07:55] uff isnt good is it? [07:55] nup. [07:55] you have sda etc, which drive is your / [07:55] ? [07:56] sda6 [07:56] hm? A logical partition? [07:56] not a primary? [07:57] primary i think [07:57] sda6 isn't primary [07:57] i am beginning to think a reinstall would be better huh [07:57] only sda1-4 are primary [07:57] I'm not sure that would fix it [07:57] sure it would [07:58] let's work with what we have. I'm sure we can fix this [07:58] hold on, i have an idea to give you what we are working with [07:59] okay. [08:00] my drive layout http://imagebin.ca/view/aoqMkPPX.html [08:01] Ahh, so you're dealing with sda5 then. [08:02] or sda6? [08:02] 5 is buntu / [08:02] right. [08:02] 6 is /home [08:02] what does your /etc/fstab show (inside the chroot)? [08:02] 7 is Salix/ [08:02] Salix, huh? That Slack-based or something? [08:03] yes [08:03] heh. Thought so. I hadn't heard the name before, thought I'd take an educated guess. [08:03] pasted in other place [08:04] wow. Your fstab's been run over by a steam train [08:04] Right. INto that file, add something like this: /dev/sda5 / defaults 1 1 [08:04] oh, hang on. I missed a field [08:04] buntu does that [08:04] something like this: /dev/sda5 / ext4 defaults 1 1 [08:05] We'll get the device showing once we're booted into the OS itself. [08:05] You may want to add /dev/sda7 /home ext4 defaults,ro 1 1 [08:05] (so you have any /home files you need) [08:05] oh, hang on, sda6, not 7 [08:05] done [08:05] My fingers are cold [08:06] Write out the file, see what update-grub says now [08:06] should i take out the other dec/sda5 and 7? [08:06] huh? Y ouhave them in? [08:06] show me that fstab again? [08:06] and paste them as separate lines [08:06] oh, too late [08:07] actually, that looks good, I suspect. If you can paste it to a pastebin so I can look at the lines? [08:08] http://pastebin.ca/1889669 [08:09] Ahhh. stick a # in front of lines 15 and 16 [08:09] We won't possibly need those for the moment. [08:09] you just had me add those [08:09] the / uuid looks correct [08:10] Yeah, now I can see the lines you pasted, they actually look good for the moment. [08:10] Right, so the fault's not with fstab. [08:10] What's in /proc/mounts ? [08:10] ok, good [08:10] Well, maybe. We've still got to get grub to agree. [08:10] Actually, go check out what /boot/grub/grub.cfg says. [08:10] You'll have to pastebin that, it's long. [08:11] nothing in proc [08:11] wuuh? [08:11] shyte. [08:11] mount -t proc /proc proc [08:11] I _think_ that'll work [08:11] mount: mount point proc does not exist [08:12] yeargh. [08:12] ls / [08:12] see if proc is at the top of the tree [08:12] I could have it the wrong way around... that'd figure [08:12] it is [08:12] right. mount -t proc proc /proc [08:12] see if THAT works [08:13] it did [08:13] cat /proc/mounts [08:13] empty [08:13] hm. [08:13] that'll be why grub can't find anything to mount [08:13] hold on [08:14] http://pastebin.ca/1889671 [08:14] grub got removed when lilo was installed [08:14] Oh! [08:15] You have lilo in place... and you want grub back??? [08:15] * Viking667 shakes his head... ours not to reason why... [08:15] lilo is broken [08:15] heh. [08:15] so i need to install grub again [08:15] That mounts comes from the outside of the chroot, I suspect [08:16] dont know [08:16] It does. I can tell. [08:16] ok [08:16] but anyhow, try running update-grub again [08:17] > /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). [08:17] yeesh. [08:17] see what's in /boot/grub/grub.cfg [08:18] and pastebin that, please [08:19] http://pastebin.ca/1889673 [08:19] brb. need a drink [08:21] hm. [08:21] seems like it's grub-probe that's complaining [08:23] Right. I think I've gained a little expert assistance, so I'll drop that into the channel when you come back [08:24] back [08:24] Try this: grub-install --recheck /dev/sda [08:25] > /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?). [08:25] yeah. That's the error we got the last time. [08:25] Right. exit the chroot. I think we can do this a different way. [08:25] You'll need to reboot [08:25] i bet there shouldnt be a / [08:26] there SHOULD be a /, your problem is, your mounts shows you have TWO of them [08:26] ... which is about right for a chroot [08:26] ok, this isnt a quick fix it seems [08:26] Might be, might not be. [08:26] Exit the chroot anyhow. [08:26] lol, it is 3:30 here [08:26] ... I found a guide that may help us out [08:27] and it's only 19:30 here. [08:27] (on Saturday) [08:27] saturday here too [08:27] So I've been up for longer than you have... [08:27] lol. [08:27] So. Have you managed to exit the chroot? [08:27] done [08:28] Right. You'll have to tailor this next one to fit, replace mnt with media/67-bloodylongstring [08:28] mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev [08:29] i.e. you're mounting your live CD's devtree onto the same place as /media/67e26105-b997-4ddb-af4e-63d6c50bb225/ [08:29] Viking667 i thank you for all the help. but itis 3:30 am, i am running out of steam [08:29] Aww. Almost THERE!!! [08:29] alright [08:29] we will see [08:29] yup. Feel like rebooting? [08:29] it'll keep the /proc stuff straight. [08:30] as root rightt [08:30] as in, reboot the LiveCD and boot off it again [08:30] do that other stuff first? [08:31] nope [08:31] not yet [08:31] brb [08:31] cool [08:33] back [08:33] 'llo, and wb [08:33] right. you're booted, obviously [08:34] must be [08:34]