[00:14] <leagris> Got a Fritz!BOX 7270 replacing the asthmatic Livebox from Orange. I am so impressed Work like a charm with Ubuntu or any Linux. Everything from IPv6, SIP phone line, DECT station, fast wireless. Good job from the Germans AVM.
[00:16] <leagris> Downloads reach 2500Kb/s instead of the almost 1100Kb/s from the crapware rented à 3€/months.
[00:16] <penguin42> you have a DSL provider that does IPv6 ?
[00:16] <leagris> penguin42, used to with nerim, but now just using SIXXS
[00:17] <Daekdroom> 3euros/month for 1100kb/s ? O.o
[00:17] <leagris> penguin42, do a /whois leagris
[00:17] <Daekdroom> That is cheap.
[00:17] <penguin42> yeh I saw it was IPv6
[00:17] <leagris> Daekdroom, only for renting their box. DSL line subscription is 39€/months
[00:17] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[00:17] <Daekdroom> Well, still sort of cheap.
[00:18] <leagris> short line of 700m
[00:18] <leagris> got near the maximum of ADSL2+ ATM rate with low errors
[00:19] <leagris> their Livebox synked at same ATM speed but the cheap CPU heavily limited usable IP bandwidth.
[00:20] <Daekdroom> I understand you, I used to run a USB ADSL modem over USB 1.1 D:
[00:34] <penguin42> Daekdroom: One of the old stingray/frog alcatels?
[00:35] <Daekdroom> penguin42, Yeah!
[00:35] <penguin42> yeh I used that for a while
[00:35] <Daekdroom> I still have it somewhere in here.
[00:35] <Daekdroom> It looks like an oversized mouse :P
[00:36] <leagris> :)
[00:37] <leagris> Alcatel merged with Lucent, seems they no longer brand end-user modems now.
[00:49] <leagris> sorry for the long OT, was meant to ubuntu-offtopic ;D
[00:52] <penguin42> is anyone running maverick in a VM system other than kvm?
[02:10] <Lostwf> Hello all
[02:11] <Lostwf> Can any one point me to where i can find the pool for maverick meerkat? I have tried archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and I still need 214 files to complete my iso
[02:12] <BUGabundo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror
[02:12] <BUGabundo> (2010-06-26 22:23:32) jpds: debmirror lets one specify --arch'es and --releases if I recall correctly.
[02:12] <BUGabundo> Lostwf: try that
[02:13] <Lostwf> Thanks BUGd will try
[02:16] <Lostwf> Does debmirror download the complete pool for the release?
[02:19] <BUGabundo> eewwww
[02:19] <BUGabundo> VLC just memory leaked :(
[02:19] <BUGabundo> Lostwf: it should, I think
[02:20] <Lostwf> I dont have enough bandwith limit to download the whole pool. I just need some (200) files which are not in the current archive pool to complete the iso that I am downloading via jigdo
[02:23] <BUGabundo> why don't you use zsync intead?
[02:47] <CrazyHyena> hello
[02:48] <CrazyHyena> will the next version of ubuntu continue to be lightweight in resource usage?
[04:22] <alex_mayorga> how do I get a listing of bluetooth devices paired to the computer with mac addresses?
[04:29] <psusi> is anyone else still having the issue with the bluetooth and power manager icons showing up all the time, or did it get fixed?
[04:52] <DanaG> alex_mayorga: you can ask bluez over dbus.
[04:53] <DanaG> do "pidof bluetoothd"... and then a dbus send I'm digging up.
[04:55] <DanaG> argh, I've forgotten what the command was...
[04:55] <DanaG> dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/22211/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.ListDevices
[04:55] <DanaG> where 22211 is the pid of bluetoothd.
[04:56] <DanaG> And for each device, you can
[04:56] <DanaG> dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/22211/hci0/dev_00_02_72_A9_2B_03 org.bluez.Device.GetProperties
[05:09] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: is "00_02_72_A9_2B_03" the MAC address?
[05:10] <DanaG> yeah.
[05:10] <DanaG> You can get the full device string from the ListDevices.
[05:12] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: guess I'm messing up at some point
[05:12] <alex_mayorga> dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/1205/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.ListDevices
[05:13] <alex_mayorga> gets me Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "ListDevices" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist
[05:13] <DanaG> hmm.
[05:14] <DanaG> try installing d-feet, and you can dig around in the stuff Bluez is offering.
[05:14] <DanaG> It's also possible you have hci1 instead of hci0.
[05:15] <alex_mayorga> installing d-feet
[05:15] <DanaG> Bluez is on the "system" bus.
[05:16] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: thanks, really appreciated hopefully I could be able to extract the mac address of my stolen bluetooth devices :(
[05:16] <DanaG> argh, this new Unity thing, in my experience, seems to only have a panel on the left side.
[05:16] <alex_mayorga> is d-feet a gui?
[05:16] <DanaG> Yeah.
[05:17] <alex_mayorga> Bus Address?
[05:18] <DanaG> Go in the File menu... there's "system" there.
[05:18] <DanaG> Yeah, that UI seems to suck.
[05:18] <DanaG> No button for "system"
[05:19] <alex_mayorga> seems I had the pid wrong
[05:19] <alex_mayorga> why might that be?
[05:19] <alex_mayorga> ps -fea | grep bluetoothdroot      1205     1  0 21:14 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/bluetoothd --udev
[05:20] <alex_mayorga> but object paths are /org/bluez/1203/hci0
[05:20] <alex_mayorga> is that a bug?
[05:22] <DanaG> ah. weird.
[05:22] <DanaG> That IS weird.
[05:23] <DanaG> ah, all I get when running Unity is a panel on the left.
[05:25] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: Thanks immensely I found the address
[05:25] <alex_mayorga> I think being unable of seeing the MAC address in the GUI is a gnome-bluetooth bug, your take?
[05:26] <DanaG> Probably a "feature".
[05:26] <DanaG> Keep things simple.... to the point of uselessness.
[05:27] <DanaG> With gnome-bluetooth: Okay, I've paired my device.  Now what can I do with it?
[05:27] <DanaG> With gnome-bluetooth, the answer is approximately "nothing".
[05:27] <DanaG> Try "blueman" instead -- it actually lets you CONNECT to devices -- imagine that!
[05:27] <alex_mayorga> yep, BTW does 10.10 now does 3G over bluetooth?
[05:28] <alex_mayorga> finding it hard to do on 10.04
[05:28] <DanaG> Blueman can probably do it even in Lucid.
[05:28] <alex_mayorga> can they co-exist?
[05:28] <DanaG> I'm not sure.
[05:29] <DanaG> Looks like the main repo blueman can coexist with gnome-bluetooth.
[05:34] <DanaG> argh, stupid unity... demands using Mutter.  Well, I want to use Compiz.
[05:35] <coz_> DanaG,  :)  too bad it wont happen :)
[05:35] <DanaG> I say, things shouldn't be that tightly integrated... it's the sort of thing my classes have said are bad design.
[05:36] <coz_> DanaG,  ah  perhaps you are correct... I personally would rather run compiz but... being a netbook...doesnt that automatically mean fewer resources at hand yes  ?
[05:36] <DanaG> I have compiz tweaked to be reasonable.  No wobbly on the netbook.
[05:37] <DanaG> Lamp animations for minimize and menu create/destroy.  "dream" for window-create, and "sidekick" for window close.
[05:37] <coz_> eeww  no wobbly??  I forget what static windows feel like :)
[05:37] <DanaG> Or wait, maybe I re-enabled that.
[05:37] <DanaG> Yeah, I think I did... the other "snapping" is way too forceful.
[05:38] <DanaG> Oh, and random gripe: try pressing arrow keys while using a touchpad.
[05:38] <DanaG> Apparently arrow keys are considered "typing".
[05:38] <DanaG> It disables the touchpad.
[05:38] <DanaG> Good luck typing anything with just arrow keys.
[05:38] <coz_> :)
[05:38] <DanaG> ↑←←→↑↓↓↓←→↑→→→←↓
[05:38] <coz_> DanaG,  I have been playing with kde's netbook edition   much nicer than gnome's << my opinion
[05:39] <coz_> DanaG,  compiz doesnt seem to disable there but of not much use it seems
[05:39] <DanaG> Last time I tried KDE, it was too bulky for my liking.
[05:39] <coz_> but let me check again hold on while I 'scoot" over to the maverick machine
[05:39] <coz_> DanaG,  the beta kde is really  and I am a kde hater :)
[05:40] <DanaG> Oh, and bulky != bloaty.
[05:40] <DanaG> Bulk is "too many pixels".
[05:40] <DanaG> I'll try KDE on the netbook.
[05:41] <DanaG> heh, my GDM panel is too wide for my netbook's screen.
[05:41] <DanaG> Gets cut off at "sh (United States)"
[05:41] <DanaG> And the accessibility "tray" icon overlaps the right dropdown.
[05:42] <coz_> DanaG,  yeah compiz stays enabled with kde's beta netbook  at least here it does
[05:43] <DanaG> And kwin is nice enough on its own that, worst case, it's better than Mutter, for sure.
[05:45] <coz_> DanaG,  well I was surprised at kde netbook.. it is nice looking...nothing off screen  no crowding etc etc
[05:49] <DanaG> weird... somehow my KDE gets a gnome panel.
[05:51] <DanaG> ah, it's in autostart.
[05:55] <DanaG> site: your valid user.  username: (text box).  password: (text box).
[05:55] <DanaG> What is that?
[05:56] <DanaG> Argh, if I hold it in the exposé thingy, I see two windows appear, disappear, appear, disappear, appear, disappear, appear, disappear, appear, disappear
[05:57] <DanaG> ah, fixed it by cleaning out autostart.
[05:58] <DanaG> What is "this site"?
[05:58] <DanaG> it wants me to log into something.
[06:00] <coz_> DanaG,  in the netbook?
[06:00] <DanaG> Yeah.
[06:00] <coz_> DanaG,  not sure other than maybe bug reports
[06:00] <DanaG> http://dot.kde.org/2009/05/01/social-desktop-starts-arrive
[06:00] <coz_> DanaG,  seems to happen here each time I log into netbook
[06:01] <coz_> oh!
[06:01] <coz_> DanaG,  the interface is much nicer  yes?
[06:03] <coz_> well it is 1am here...need to go to bed
[06:06] <DanaG> ugh, system monitor widget is buggy... it keeps spazzing between small and big.
[06:09] <DanaG> ugh, yeah, netbook thingy is buggy.
[06:25] <DanaG> wow, this "netbook" session is lame... there's a menu button that does nothing, and a blank desktop.
[06:32] <DanaG> How useless.
[06:32] <DanaG> And alt-f2 doesn't work.  And there's no "terminal" shortcut.
[07:01] <DanaG> argh, what a broken shell.  There's no way to start anything that's not on the list on the left!
[07:40] <Jordan_U> DanaG: I think it's safe to say that you are outside the target demographic :)
[09:15] <szonek> hi
[09:15] <szonek> i have a problem installing 10.04 on fakeraid, i know this bug was fixed lately (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/grub-installer/+bug/568050), is there any ISO that integrates this fix?
[09:16] <ikonia> szonek: 10.04 support is in #ubuntu - not #ubuntu+1
[09:17] <szonek> yeah i know.. i tried to find 10.04 daily builds or something like that but all i found was daily builds for 10.10
[09:17] <szonek> so i thougt i can make sure there is none daily builds for 10.04
[09:18] <ikonia> ok - so again, 10.04 support is in #ubuntu - not #ubuntu+1
[09:18] <szonek> okay okay
[11:37] <Fudge> heh
[12:17] <sylon> why does kernel modesetting actually increase CPU usage when playing video in xine and cause artifacts? also increases CPU usage in gstreamer based players to the point where video stutters,  i thought KMS was supposed to fix tearing issues with video...  I have a X2300 RV535 radeon by the way
[12:35] <BUGabundo> morning
[12:35] <Ian_corne> hello
[14:32] <DrHalan> hey all
[15:29] <penguin42> fun bug that's in Maverick (from 2.6.35) - the sysrq code is a bit screwy - so you can trigger a reboot by doing; press&release right-alt, p&r print-screen, p&r b
[15:32] <Daekdroom> What the?
[15:33] <penguin42> I noticed on lkml and just gave it a go on my maverick install
[15:47] <IdleOne> penguin42: alt-F2 triggered a reboot for me about 2 days ago :/
[15:48] <penguin42> IdleOne: It may be unrelated, but if sometime previously you had used printscreen and b ....
[15:49] <IdleOne> penguin42: could be. my kitten has been having a good old time irc'ing lately
[15:49] <penguin42> they seem to be very good at that
[15:50] <IdleOne> actually my computer did not reboot. it locked up. I had to hit the reset button to get it to reboot
[15:50] <penguin42> oh, that's a different case
[15:50] <IdleOne> keyboard lights were flashing
[15:50] <penguin42> that was  a panic
[15:50] <IdleOne> mouse and kb were not responsive
[15:51] <IdleOne> but it seemed to happen when I did alt-F2
[15:51] <penguin42> quite possibly triggered something
[15:52] <IdleOne> Temporary solution: don't do alt-F2
[15:52] <IdleOne> :)
[16:00] <BUGabundo> [12631.533610] ata6: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x990000 action 0xe frozen
[16:00] <BUGabundo> [12638.313896] EXT2-fs (sdb1): previous I/O error to superblock detected
[16:00] <BUGabundo> not in a good luck week
[16:02] <penguin42> ah
[17:08] <BUGabundo> Long Live MPLAYER....
[17:08] <BUGabundo> since mplayer is sooo broken
[17:08] <BUGabundo> and gstreamer too that even vlc memory leaks
[17:09] <BUGabundo> mplayer keeps going and going and going.... and going
[18:26] <dupondje> SD cards broken ?
[18:26] <dupondje> Got command interrupt 0x00030000 even though no command operation was in progress.
[18:42]  * penguin42 finds something fixed in Maverick! dcraw's new version can read my cameras files
[19:38] <DanaG> ARGH!
[19:39] <DanaG> Somehow I'm ending up with /dev/fb0 being uvesafb, and /dev/fb1 being radondrmfb.
[19:39] <DanaG> And gdm isn't even trying to start.
[19:41] <knittl> hi, why is xulrunner-1.9.2 kept back?
[19:46] <DanaG> ARGH!
[19:46] <DanaG> On a fresh install, why is gdm not even trying to start?
[19:50] <om26er> knittl, because you are using the development release of ubuntu. :)
[19:50] <knittl> om26er: lol ^^
[19:50] <knittl> i'm aware of that
[19:50] <knittl> it's been almost a week now, that's why i ask. usually i can remove some other packages
[19:51] <DrHalan> how do i get non-free packagse for maverick?
[19:51] <DrHalan> https://launchpad.net/medibuntu/maverick
[19:51] <DrHalan> meidbuntu seems to have nothing yet..
[20:00] <DanaG> "Use default (generic) configuration"
[20:00] <DanaG> I press OK on that, it takes me nowhere but where I just was.
[20:00] <DanaG> It's insisting on going into failsafe mode, yet the "view log file" is ENTIRELY EMPTY!
[20:01] <dupondje> DrHalan: lucid packages may work
[20:01] <dupondje> medibuntu gets in @ beta1 normally
[20:01] <DrHalan> mh i have the lucid packages still installed so they dont i guess
[20:03] <DrHalan> mh beta1 is stil a long way to go
[20:03] <DrHalan> mplayer works atleast
[20:06] <DanaG> AT+GCAP
[20:06] <DanaG> something keeps writing that to my serial console.
[20:06] <DanaG> AT+GCAP
[20:06] <DanaG> AT+GCAP
[20:07] <SwedeMike> http://www.anotherurl.com/library/at_test.htm says it's fax related
[20:09] <guntbert> DanaG: that something tries to talk to a modem
[20:09] <DanaG> yeah, looks like it's NetworkManager.
[20:10] <DanaG> It does it exactly 3 times every boot.
[20:15] <DrHalan> are we already in freeze for alpha 2?
[20:41] <mxe5> Installed 10.4 on a friends computer - Been a few months since I installed the correct version of Java for Frostwire to work - anyone help on this?
[20:42] <penguin42> mxe5: This channel is for Maverick (10.10) - try #ubuntu please
[20:42] <mxe5> oh ok - sorry
[20:43] <penguin42> mxe5: Thanks, but try checking under the partner repos
[20:43] <mxe5> I do have #ubuntu - clicked on wrong one - thx
[20:43] <mxe5> penguin42: Ok wil do - thanks
[21:13] <dupondje> damn
[21:14] <dupondje> ubuntu-one seem to kill nautilus speed:(
[21:18] <BUGabundo> it does?
[21:18] <BUGabundo> I don't see the top bar
[21:18] <BUGabundo> :D
[21:18] <BUGabundo> but the bug wasn't closed
[21:19] <DanaG> I tried the new Unity, and found it useless.
[21:19] <DanaG> It had about 5 shortcuts on the left bar, and no way to launch anything not in those 5.
[21:20] <BUGabundo> I need to try it again
[21:20] <BUGabundo> but I never logout :(
[21:21] <BUGabundo> *if* it would allow multi session users , I could test it a bit more
[21:21] <BUGabundo> jcastro: ^^^^^^^^
[21:21] <DrHalan> how does unity compete with the old netbook edition performance-wise?
[21:21] <DanaG> Well, performance is irrelevant, when it's 100% useless.
[21:21] <jcastro> DanaG: the applications thing just landed, click on the ubuntu logo
[21:21] <DanaG> The desktop is entirely blank.
[21:22] <DanaG> Last time I tried clicking the logo, it just went into "exposé' mode.
[21:22] <dupondje> BUGabundo: is nautilus also so EXTREMELY slow for you ? :p
[21:22] <jcastro> you need to update
[21:22] <DanaG> This time, it did showdesktop.
[21:22] <BUGabundo> DrHalan: from my early testing it was MUCH faster
[21:22] <DrHalan> niceee
[21:22] <BUGabundo> dupondje: no
[21:23] <DanaG> And I don't like having my panels locked down to be uncustomizable.
[21:23] <DrHalan> i have the Eee 701 (first one released) its already to slow for the normal netbook edition
[21:23] <dupondje>  7814 jl        20   0 90072  16m 4128 R   10  0.8   0:00.32 ubuntuone-syncd
[21:23] <dupondje> and 50% cpu load
[21:24] <dupondje> when opening a directory with 500 JPEG's
[21:24] <DanaG> yeah, ubuntuone sucks... it devours my CPU quite completely.
[21:24] <DanaG> Try it with your pidgin logs.
[21:24] <dupondje> been opening for 30 seconds now
[21:24] <dupondje> still don't see thizzle :(
[21:24] <DanaG> Devours 100% of one Core 2 Duo core!
[21:24] <gnomefreak> dupondje: stop it from loading
[21:24] <DanaG> And I can't delete folders with u1sdtool... it doesn't work.
[21:24] <dupondje> gnomefreak: how exactly ?
[21:25] <gnomefreak> dupondje: System>Preferences>startup applications
[21:25] <gnomefreak> dupondje: look for it and uncheak it
[21:25] <DanaG> That's not enough -- I had to actually dpkg-divert ubuntuone-syncdaemon out of the way.
[21:26] <gnomefreak> i have all ubuntu1 set not not load
[21:26] <gnomefreak> dupondje: it works for me fine
[21:26] <dupondje> lets see :)
[21:26] <dupondje> cause its loading the directory for 2 minutes now
[21:26] <dupondje> this is to crazy imo
[21:26] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@development:~$ ps aux |grep ubuntuone
[21:26] <gnomefreak> 1000      8743  0.0  0.2   1928   524 pts/3    S+   16:26   0:00 grep ubuntuone
[21:27] <gnomefreak> ill be back testing firefox release
[21:28] <DanaG> the delete-folders method on dbus doesn't actually work.
[21:29] <DanaG> Nope, still blank desktop when I run "unity".
[21:31] <DanaG> er, wait, lots of packages in need of updating.
[21:32] <penguin42> DanaG: Are you running it in a vm ?
[21:32] <dupondje> gnomefreak: no ubuntuone process running, but it still gets loaded when opening a directory :(
[21:32] <DrHalan> again my question. is there some knid of alpha freeze right now?
[21:33] <gnomefreak> dupondje: that is a bug in Nautilus
[21:33] <gnomefreak> unless it was fixed
[21:33] <dupondje> it takes damn 3 minutes to open a dir :(
[21:34] <DanaG> Nope, native.  Will try after update.
[21:34] <geser> DrHalan: according to the topic in #ubuntu-devel no, and no freeze announcement was send to the ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list yet for alpha2
[21:34] <DanaG> And I do not like the fact that it REQUIRES me to use compiz... what ever happened to the idea that unnecessary tie-ins are BAD DESIGN?
[21:35] <DrHalan> DanaG: isn't it using mutter?
[21:35] <DanaG> Yeah, that's what I mean.
[21:35] <DrHalan> i also think a lot of its design needs compositing (like the expose for example)
[21:35] <DanaG> I want to be able to use Compiz.
[21:37] <DrHalan> yeah i feel for you. mutter is rather ugly at the moment
[21:37] <DrHalan> don't liek the minimize effect at all
[21:54] <DanaG> weird... in Lucid, my touchpad's middle button is being treated as a left button!
[21:54] <DanaG> er
[21:54] <DanaG> in Maverick.
[21:58] <DrHalan> my mouse isn't able to scroll sidewards anymore :( (logitech g5)
[22:18] <gnomefreak> nautilus is slow as hell
[22:18] <DrHalan> not for me..
[22:18] <DrHalan> but i am using elements
[22:21] <dupondje> héhé gnomefreak, same issue ? :p
[22:21] <gnomefreak> dupondje: not sure what your issue was but i have to re-test a bit later so i can mae sure if it is U1 or if it the downloads im doing
[22:22] <gnomefreak> ok ill be back a bit later i have to cook dinner and eat
[22:30] <dupondje> lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions => somebody knows what this means exactly ?
[23:23] <dupondje> somebody that has vsftpd installed ?