[02:02] win_2_linux: I'm still trying to get my grub2 booting problem fixed. I thought i finally had it, but now its taking forever to boot and i'm not sure its going to make it. [02:05] anybody know how i can tell if its still making boot progress? every once and a while the hd activity light flickers. I did cntl+at+ [02:06] cnt+alt+F5 and it gave me a few lines of info but then just a blinking cursor. [02:08] is there a beginners team person here? [02:11] sorry newboon2age i'm totally new to linux [02:11] win_2_linux: well thanks anyway :) [02:12] why worry about it as long as boots [02:12] however i don't have a grub menu when i boot up , [02:12] it goes to a screen [02:12] win_2_linux: well we're talking about something like 10 minutes so far [02:13] i have issues too, i guess we all do, i'm sure if we went into windows channels they'd have issues with that os too [02:14] win_2_linux: the ironic thing is my wubi Kubuntu is working fine and that is how I'm communicating now... [02:14] oh it takes grub that long to load your computer [02:14] it runs in windows [02:14] win_2_linux: different computer. [02:14] win_2_linux: just saying [02:15] thats how i started with ubuntu in a wubi thing [02:15] for a while then decided to go clean install [02:15] newboon2age, what do the lines say? [02:15] win_2_linux: that was our first communication [02:15] i have issues, its on a laptop and it wont wake up from suspend or hibernate have to force a shut down [02:15] yes [02:16] i remember a while back there was a win2linux distrib [02:16] win_2_linux, I have that issue and don't know how to fix it. I have never had good luck with hibernate or suspend on a laptop running Ubuntu. [02:16] i don't think it last ed that long [02:17] tenach its everyone turns out it cold be a kernel thing or an x thing, has anyone ever tried suspending from the console instead [02:17] the alt ctrl f7 [02:17] tenach: there are four. They look like the kind of lines i see when i run dmesg. They are all pertaining to vbox . Last one is [ a number.number] vboxdrv: echo2 > /proc/sys/kernel/per_counter_paranoid [02:18] you know you might want to try a grub channel maybe they can help you with your issues since it is a grub thing [02:18] It may not be a grub thing. [02:19] win_2_linux: there's one from China now that's supposed to look just like windoze. [02:19] no not our issues, newboon's issues [02:19] tenach: win_2_linux I think maybe the grub part is mostly fixed, cuz at least it gets past the grub menu. So its trying to load ubuntu. [02:20] Yeah. [02:20] i'm trying to break my dependency on windows, i see some open source programs are just as good or bettr than the retail win programs [02:20] win_2_linux: so true! [02:20] is there anything on tty1? (alt f1) ? [02:20] win_2_linux, very true. [02:21] it just gives a login prompt w/ a blinking cursor tenach [02:21] oh! [02:21] You're booted [02:21] put your username in there [02:21] and then it will ask for your password. [02:21] yeah as far suspending and hibernating there are no problems its just come back from those states there in lies the problem [02:22] yeah sounds like something is broken between booting and summoning X [02:22] newboon2age what version of Ubuntu are you using? [02:22] tenach: yes, you're right. now what should i do? 10.04 32bit [02:22] hardware conflicts between x and some of his hardware [02:23] newboon2age after you log in, try [02:23] sudo service gdm start [02:24] tenach: it says: start: Job is already running: gdm [02:24] hm. [02:24] kill it and try again? [02:24] Not yet [02:24] Is there anything on tty8? [02:25] how many tty are there lol [02:25] I've never had to go past tty9 [02:26] tenach: I can do a cntl+alt+F7 and that shows the plymouth boot screen, but nothing changes if i do the same w/ F8 [02:27] Ah. [02:27] tenach: take that back [02:27] tenach: it shows a blinking cursor only [02:27] okay [02:27] in 7, can you log in normally to Gnome? [02:28] tenach: how do i do that? [02:29] What shows up on the plymout boot screen? Just the logo? [02:30] *plymouth [02:30] tenach: yes. its a substitue plymouth logo. actually I think its the first time that particular one showed on boot up because normally i just had that one on shutdown and then the default on bootup. [02:31] hmm. [02:32] I would try to restart gdm by going to tty1 and doing sudo service gdm restart [02:33] So if I am understanding correctl, your computer boots fine, just doesn't bring you to the user login screen? [02:33] Correctly, even. [02:35] tenach: okay, it started up the plymouth screen and i got a cross for a mouse pointer (first time i had a pointer) but then I tried to move to a different tty and now no blinking cursor [02:36] tenach: and can't find the plymouth screen on any of the ttys [02:36] how about a reinstall? [02:36] win_2_linux, things can be fixed without reinstalling everytime something happens. [02:37] win_2_linux: really want to avoid that if at all possible. I think we're close... [02:37] Most of the errors I have had would not be fixed with a reinstall. [02:37] really thats reassuring...its my windows thinking [02:37] lol [02:37] win_2_linux I know :) It took me a while to stop thinking like that. [02:38] :) [02:38] tenach: this brings up a question ive had for awhile. now i've got a non-interactive situation with no cursors. is it okay to pull the plug or is there some better option? [02:39] newboon2age, I am thinking :D I haven't had a lot of experience with Plymouth myself, other than having to switch out my ancient video card. [02:40] tenach: i pressed the on/off button and it brought me to the plymouth screen (which had been missing)... [02:41] tenach: but still no interactive and i think it just shut off [02:42] tenach: yes. restarting... [02:42] Hm. [02:54] tenach: lost my wireless connection for a bit there. [02:55] No worries newboon2age [02:56] I'm not having much luck finding any answers. [02:56] its probably something obvious [02:56] tenach: its back to a similar situation. cnt+alt+F7 shows plymouth screen while tty1-6 are interactive -- this time nothing showing on tty5. tty8 is blinking cursor on black background [02:56] right in front of th e nose [02:57] tenach: i logged into tty1 and tried that start gdm command and again it says its running.... [02:58] Yeah, if you're getting the plymouth screen, gdm is most likely running already. [02:58] tenach: should i try killall gdm and then the start command? [03:00] I don't think that will render any different results, but it's worth a try. [03:00] about five or six years ago, i first tried linux mandrake to be exact. It loaded and installed nicely, used it for a couple of weeks actually fell in love with it, then something happened, it broke or something and would not boot, for life of me I couldn't get it to boot, I reinstalled windows and fell out of love with linux until recently [03:02] Well, you've run into a helpful lot, with Ubuntu. I may not be able to help much more, newboon2age, but there's others here who are bound to be able to. :) [03:03] after a couple of annoying viruses nothing damaging, invaded my computer somehow, esp one put out by an anti virus company wouldn't let me do anything unless i bought their antivirus software, even after rebooting, every time I tried to close ie7 before i got 8 it brought up two more telling me i had a virus [03:03] win_2_linux: the whole booting thing is a vulnerable place for any OS. And its rather flumoxing for new user, no matter what OS. :) [03:03] so I had to restart and boot into safe mode, run an antivirus program and it got rid of it [03:06] and i'm sick of hearing about viruses and worrying about anti virus programs all the time [03:08] * tenach nods [03:08] win_2_linux: yup, i'm afraid to even go on the web w/ windoze. [03:08] tenach: do you remember how to get the uuid? [03:08] tenach: of the boot disk that is? [03:09] so i'm hoping linux lives up to its rep for no viruses, trojans, keyloggers etc [03:09] Of the disk you're booting from or from a boot disk? [03:09] win_2_linux, it's just a matter of verifying sources before installing. :) It's less of a hazard, but still possible in Linux. [03:10] When in doubt, research before installing. [03:10] As for viruses comnig through a browser, I haven't heard of that in *nix [03:10] and, newboon2age,just a sec [03:10] i only install from repsositories onlinux unless their old then i do find current ones [03:11] Then I'm sure you'll be safe. [03:12] so in your estimation whats the best email client for linux that allows multiple email accounts [03:12] newboon2age, try blkid [03:13] win_2_linux, I don't use a mail client. I used to use Thunderbird when I did. [03:13] tenach: yes that's it. ty [03:13] newboon2age, np [03:13] how do you get your email [03:13] I have all my addressees go to one inbox and check that via roundcube (webmail) on my website. [03:13] *addresses [03:15] ic [03:19] I've never been fond of desktop mail clients. They always seem too bulky form e. [03:19] *for me. [03:20] Roundcube is definitely not without issues though. xD It's slow as molasses sometimes. [03:21] I have heard that evolution is pretty good if you're not a heavy email user. [03:21] Though, I think it's mostly just preferential. [03:22] * tenach ends babbling. [03:25] tenach: well i don't think i did much different (commented out a mounted .iso disk i fstab, but i don't think that did anything), but then i did that gdm restart and was able to login to the gui. I wonder if i should reinstall gdm? [03:26] newboon2age, have you run any updates lately? [03:27] tenach: yes that's what brought this on. I did a 'distribution upgrade' and whamo [03:27] Ah, okay. [03:27] Did you do the dist upgrade from the net or an iso? [03:28] I would suggest running an update to see if there's any updates to gdm. [03:28] tenach: from the net [03:28] Ah, okay. [03:28] newboon2age, have you restarted your machine to see if it boots properly now? [03:29] tenach: no not yet [03:30] Alright. [03:30] I think that would be a good thing to do, to see if the issue is resolved. [03:31] tenach: reinstalling gdm [03:32] tenach: upgrade manager said i was up to date. I wonder if there was some kind of problem w/ the update though and wonder if there is a way to check it or reprocess it somehow. [03:34] my xchat is all screwed up [03:36] zkriesse, damn [03:36] it doesn't join all the channels in my auto join list and it joins ones that aren't in it [03:36] weird. :S [03:37] newboon2age, that is odd. [03:37] tenach: can't reinstall plymouth cuz it sez "something wicked happened resolving 'us.archive.ubuntu.com:http' No address associated with hostname [03:41] newboon2age, in a terminal run sudo apt-get update [03:41] to make sure you've got the latest list [03:43] tenach: okay there's a wireless connection issue.. checking... [03:47] tenach: i think the systems not really running right even though it looks like it is on the surface. wicd reports a connection but i can't actually get anything through [03:47] tenach: restarting [03:48] tenach: i think its the ubuntu studio plymouth theme i'm using [03:50] tenach: seems to still be booting... [03:53] tenach: rats, it the hd light keeps flickering, but still in plymouth boot w/o the activity indicator going. [03:54] Hello, I have a DNS problem I'm hoping someone could help me with. [03:57] anybody around to help out? [03:58] newboon2age damn. [04:15] Hey team [04:43] tenach: I went away for a bit. it stalled indefinitley on the plymouth screen, but i was also able to restart gdm and am logging on now. If I only knew what to reinstall or reconfigure it would probably work again... [04:45] tenach: if i can figure this one out it will go most of the way towards building my confidence to the point i won't be worried at all about breaking linux [04:46] newboon2age: for any worries about linux, get this done http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome [04:46] newboon2age, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm [04:46] you'll just have to trust me on that one [04:47] I am going to be offline for a few, newboon2age [04:47] phillw: Forget separate partitions, I put my /home on a totally different hard drive. [04:47] I'll be back in ~1 hour or less. [04:48] collinp: well, that's nice if you don't have a laptop :p [04:48] tenach, ill give it a shot, thanks for your help!!!! [04:52] trying sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm. now rebooting [04:52] phillw: that is an interesting article, i'll have to study it... [04:53] newboon2age: I do not think you will hear anyone on here suggest that you do not have a seperate /home [04:54] * phillw listens for those who diasagree [04:57] i haven't done it, but i'll probably do it next time i do a fresh install.. [04:57] phillw: oh, i did the default, so whatever ubuntu installs i got it [04:58] ddecator: well i know it works, i split mine off [04:58] phillw: OBJECTION! [04:59] collinp: less shouting :-( [04:59] I just felt like doing that. [05:00] jeez, I was expecting a member of UBT to tell you off, but you are one :-| [05:00] Yeah. Lol. [05:00] tell him off for what? o.o [05:00] I'm also a channel op. [05:00] SHOUTING [05:01] !caps | phillw [05:01] phillw: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too. [05:01] :p [05:01] it's not a big deal unless a person is constantly doing it, haha [05:02] ahh, one more reason that I will not join UB, one rule for some, one rule for everyone else. [05:02] Heh. Don't worry, one-time occurance. [05:02] i was joking, but ok... [05:02] I still have to abide by channel rules and the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, so yeah. [05:03] if he had kept shouting i would have said something :) [05:03] If I had kept shouting, then something's wrong. [05:03] that too [05:03] ;) [05:09] i don't think sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm solved it. it seems to be stalled on plymouth boot screen [05:15] is upstart used in Lucid? [05:19] i believe so [05:19] newboon2age: when it stalls on plymouth, have you tried hitting ? [05:20] ddecator: i'll try [05:22] ddecator: no apparent effect, although the HD activity light is still flickering from time to time [05:22] newboon2age: odd, do you have any older kernels still on the system you can try to boot into? [05:23] ddecator: how do you do that? [05:23] ddecator: i don't know if you caught the earlier conversation, but i can still log in by === mohi57o9 is now known as mohi1 [05:23] newboon2age: when you see the GRUB screen (black/white screen that lets you select what you want to boot into) there should be entries for older kernels if there are any [05:24] newboon2age: ah, i didn't see that. what do you have to do to get to gdm? [05:24] going to tty1-5 and i can restart gdm, although it doesn't seem like its totally working correctly [05:25] ddecator: like the wireless shows its connected, but i'm not really getting a connection [05:26] newboon2age: ah, i see. is this a fresh install or have you had it for a while? [05:26] ddecator: had it for a bit. lucid. just did a 'distribution upgrade' yesterday and when i restarted first it was coming to a grub2 menu. [05:27] ddecator: then I managed to get it working following the grub2 recovery instructions from the wiki, but still having these probs [05:27] newboon2age: by distribution upgrade, do you mean you upgraded from a previous release to lucid, or you did a "dist-upgrade"? [05:29] ddecator: it was already lucid (started off lucid). Then yesterday I got a prompt for an upgrade and somewhere along the way i think it said something about dist uprade or something (don't know what that is) [05:29] newboon2age: from the update manager? [05:30] ddecator: yes [05:31] hm, anyone know if a bootlog would show the output plymouth is hiding? === bgs100 is now known as bgs000 [05:34] ddecator: is there a bootlog i should be looking at? [05:34] i'm back [05:35] newboon2age: try looking at /var/log/boot.log (you can put it into a paste.ubuntu.com pastebin if you want us to take a look) [05:35] wb win_2_linux [05:35] poor newboon2age still trying to fix his problem [05:35] ddecator: i can't readily get it off the machine, but i can look at it. [05:35] newboon2age: sure thing, hopefully it will have a helpful error message [05:37] oops [05:41] ddecator: starts off w/ 11 lines of udevd[349]: SYSFS()= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR()= to match the event device, or ATTRS()= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/80-canon_mfp.rules:10 {and various rules are listed..} [05:42] doesn't sound too different from mine...no errors? [05:44] ddecator: hmmm... it says *Checking quotas... ^[[128G /n [05:45] ddecator: @[[122G[ OK ] those carrets look wierd to me [05:46] it has another line like that, then *Starting AppArmor profiles ^[[128G Skipping profile in /etc/apparmor.d/disable: usr.bin.firefox [05:46] * Setting sensors limits [more carrety things] [05:47] 8 Starting domain name service... bing9 {carety things} [05:47] Loading DAHDI hardware modules: [05:47] and then [05:48] so far nothing that seems out of the ordinary...what's the last thing listed? [05:49] FATAL: inserting dahdi (lib/modules/2.6.32-23-generic/updates/dkms/dahdi.ko: Invalid module format dahdi: error dahdi_dummy: error dahdi_transcode: error [05:49] and thats it [05:49] ah, that looks like it'd cause some trouble :) [05:51] hm, try 'sudo aptitude reinstall dahdi-linux' [05:52] what is dahdi [05:53] web page says: Short for "Digium Asterisk Hardware Device Interface" [05:53] whatever that is [05:53] http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/dahdi-source [05:53] that has a short description [05:53] ahhh ok thats interesting [05:55] before i can really do the reinstall of dahdi-linux, since i'm having trouble connecting wo wireless in this state, is there something i should do? [05:57] oh, right...any chance you can hook up to wired ethernet for a little bit? [05:58] possibly. is there any kind of modprobe kind of thing i should do right away? or uninstall/purge thing? [05:59] not that i know of.. [06:00] because if i restart gdm right now I think its kinda in a broken state. [06:01] i can't think of anything you should do right away, but kernel-related issues aren't my strong point [06:14] okay i plugged in and tried to sudo appt-get update, and the reinstall dahdi command, but they failed. i don't think networking is working right [06:16] :( [06:16] so i'm restarting the gdm... [06:16] it reports i'm connected... [06:23] ddecator: when i tried to do a dahdi reinstall, it says (old business unfinished i guess) [06:25] ddecator: the following packages will be removed: libkunitconversion{u} libtaskmanager4a{u} linux-rt-headers-2.6.31-10{u} plasma-dataengines-workspace{u} [06:26] i'm not sure what the {u} means.. [06:26] are you using kubuntu? [06:26] ddecator: he's using kubuntu [06:27] plasma-dataengines-workspace{u} that gives it away [06:27] the "plasma" part [06:27] right, that's why i asked.. [06:27] plasma is the kubuntu desktop [06:27] but it could be ubuntu with kde installed [06:28] ddecator: well i did install the kde desktop, and a few kde programs, like Konversation, Kate and others === aveilleu_ is now known as aveilleu [06:29] ddecator: zkriesse it is ubuntu to begin with and then some kubuntu/kde stuff added [06:29] newboon2age: ok and what is the issue? [06:30] ddecator: oh, i just saw that wicd didn't say it was connected to ethernet after all. i just told it to connect... [06:32] newboon2age: i'd say it's not a big deal to have those packages installed, but i'm not sure if linux-rt-headers-* being removed would cause any issues.. [06:32] to have those packages removed* [06:33] zkriesse: after updating recently, can't boot successfully (hangs during plymouth, the bootlog pointed to an error with the dahdi kernel module) [06:33] ah ok i'm lost [06:33] in boot log: FATAL: inserting dahdi (lib/modules/2.6.32-23-generic/updates/dkms/dahdi.ko: Invalid module format dahdi: error dahdi_dummy: error dahdi_transcode: error [06:33] right, that [06:34] zkriesse: that was the last line in the boot log [06:34] ah [06:35] and the issue is basically that when booting it just stalls on the plymouth boot screen. [06:35] and reinstalling the dahdi package apparently requires the removal of those packages listed earlier (but i'm not sure what the {u} means...) [06:35] i can log in on any of tty1-5 [06:36] and then restart gdm, but its like something is still broken underneath. [06:36] yah, the kernel probably isn't loading right due to that error with the module [06:37] okay wicd says i'm connected and i have an ip address, but i can't reach the repositories, or the web so it doesn't seem like i'm really connected. [06:37] :/ [06:38] so if i could restart the networking function, maybe i could get this fix [06:38] fixed [06:39] hmm.. [06:39] is there any kind of modprobe thing or service restart thing i can do? [06:39] possibly, but i don't know what would work offhand [06:40] and grub definitely doesn't give you the option to boot into an older kernel? [06:40] zkriesse: ddecator: i did a lsmod and have a list of modules. what whoudl I look for? [06:40] ddecator: it might. i hadn't figured out how to do that. [06:42] newboon2age: when you're at the GRUB menu, you should be able to use the up an down arrow keys to select what you want to boot into. the newest kernel on your system is the default, just under that should be the recovery mode for that kernel. if there are any older kernels still installed, those will show up below that (you can just look at the version numbers) [06:42] right now i can only uninstall or purge dahdi from synaptic [06:43] despite the fact i've got the lucid install disk in the drive and have checked that option on the repositories [06:44] ddecator: its not set to come to grub menu by default (no other os, single boot) [06:44] you could try uninstalling then rebooting, and if all goes well re-installing, but i'm not entirely sure what that module does. at this point it doesn't seem to be working anyway though [06:45] ddecator: well that's true [06:45] ah, you'd have to hit a key then...shift maybe? i can't remember what key goes to grub, haha [06:58] ddecator: zkriesse: i looked at the different modules but didn't see what was network related, so i did a removal of the 3 dahdi packages [06:59] newboon2age: yah, i couldn't tell either, hopefully this works :) [07:01] ddecator: as i'm doint this it says its removing all DKMS Modules. http://linux.dell.com/projects.shtml [07:02] that page talks a little about DKMS [07:02] right, it should just be removing the dahdi modules [07:02] ddecator: guess i'll reboot now... [07:13] ddecator: looking at the boot log. 'dahdi_cfg not executable' Starting virtual private network daemons... Starting amavisd: {blah blah} and then nothing [07:13] does it still hang? [07:15] ddecator: i'm not sure i'd technically call it a hang because everyonce and a while the HD activity light comes on, but yeah its still stuck on the plymouth screen. [07:15] darn.. [07:16] logged in and restarted gdm [07:19] if you can get to grub, you can try adding 'nomodeset' to the boot command [07:26] ddecator: how do I stop it at the grub menu to do that? [07:27] during boot, after the BIOS menu, you either hit or (can't remember which one atm...) and it should show up (you might have to hold the button) [07:31] okay, restarting ddecator [07:33] ddecator: okay that worked [07:33] ddecator: i'm at the grub menu [07:33] newboon2age: ok, then keep it on the first option, hit 'e' then add 'nomodeset' (not quotes) to the end of the line [07:35] ddecator: when you say first option, there is a 32-23-generic and then the same w/ recovery mode. which one? [07:35] newboon2age: the non-recovery mode option [07:36] okay i hit e and i'm looking at the options... [07:36] you should be looking at the boot command. just add the 'nomodeset' to the end of it [07:38] ddecator: would that be the initrd line? [07:40] i'm trying to think of what the line says.. [07:41] initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.23-generic [07:42] 23 or 32? [07:43] the newest lucid kernel is 2.6.32-22 [07:46] 2.6.32-23 [07:47] -23? how'd you get -23? o.o [07:47] the line above that is linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-23-generic root=UUID=(long uuid number) and then ro [07:48] ddecator: just now i reinstalled/installed some headers. maybe from that??? [07:49] so maybe i should try one of the older ones? [07:50] yah, try one of the older kernels first if they are available [07:50] ive got 23, 22, 21, and 11-rt [07:50] 31-11-rt [07:51] try 22 [07:51] maybe 21? [07:51] or 21, either [07:51] i'm not sure about where the nomodeset thing goes [07:52] don't worry about that right now, try the older kernel first :) [07:52] recovery mode or non recovery mode? [07:53] non [07:53] when I sucessfully boot (as I expect, what do i do then to get this fixed? [07:53] booting in 21 [07:53] we'll look into a couple of different things [07:55] ddecator: *32-23 is the current kernel level for 10.04 [07:55] whuuuuuuuu... [07:55] * ddecator goes to synaptic [07:55] ddecator: ls /boot [07:56] :-D [07:56] it's not listed in synaptic, and i just updated a little bit ago o.o [07:56] i'm calling shenanigans on something [07:56] i love GUI, try CLI ? [07:57] i ran your command, not there, conky is listing -22 as my kernel, and there are not more updates... [07:58] * ddecator is baffled [07:58] ddecator: okay its trying to connect to the internet... [07:59] ddecator: http://pastebin.com/nNEZLjB1 [07:59] O.o [08:00] rmadison lists it too.. [08:00] ddecator: problem. still not connecting to the internet it seems ... checking... [08:00] newboon2age: did it hang at plymouth still? [08:01] ddecator: no, no problem w/ boot as far as i could tell.... [08:01] maybe the mirror i use doesn't have it available.. [08:01] newboon2age: well that's progress at least :) [08:01] ddecator: checking another internet connection [08:02] ddecator: yes, at least i can boot semi normally [08:05] hmmm... the internet connection says its working but its not... [08:06] ddecator: I'm thinking maybe i should try recovery mode? [08:06] ddecator: i don't know what that means [08:06] ddecator: somehow i need to restart the network functions [08:07] recovery mode just helps if you can't boot at all (gives you a terminal and a network connection, but the network connection isn't working right now anyway) [08:07] anyone else on that has ideas? it's 3:10am so i'm becoming less and less useful :( [08:08] ddecator: you must be back east. [08:08] newboon2age: west michigan atm [08:08] ddecator: I'm in CA, i hope you're only staying up because you want to. [08:09] newboon2age: i am, but by this point i start to lose ideas and i'm not much help in this channel :/ [08:10] well, i appreciate all your help. and if you can't do more i understand... i think i might try recovery mode... [08:11] rebooting now [08:11] sorry this is taking you so long. i'm better with mozilla bugs, triage, and patching/packaging. kernel issues aren't my strong point at all, haha. worst case, someone else will be on at a different time with more knowledge about this stuff than i have [08:13] ddecator: well the good thing is that its a learning experience for all of us [08:13] newboon2age: very true :) [08:14] ddecator: although i wouldn't have picked it, i'm playing the guinea pig [08:15] i'm booting in 21, recovery, net-root mode [08:17] ddecator: lets see, once i'm up, i wonder what i should do. [08:19] okay i'm up... [08:20] does the internet work? [08:21] nope, it looks like networking still isn't working. hmmm.. [08:22] ddecator: i guess i'm making an assumption because all i tried was an apt-get and that failed [08:23] if it's wifi, you'd probably have to connect manually [08:24] well i had it connected by ethernet [08:24] :( [08:26] o/ bodzilla [08:26] howdy [08:26] ddecator: one of the puzzles to me is why i can't get it to get stuff off the cdROM [08:27] oh, -23 is still in prosposed.. [08:27] newboon2age: idk if that's possible or not [08:30] bodzilla: hobgoblin ddecator: does anyone know a command line command to check whether your networking is going, and possibly a command to restart it if its not? [08:31] see what ifconfig says [08:32] hobgoblin: okay i ran it, now how do i interpret the output? [08:33] mornin. Can i resize my current file system partition without harming itself and the other partition i want to take from? [08:33]