[02:02] <newboon2age> win_2_linux: I'm still trying to get my grub2 booting problem fixed.  I thought i finally had it, but now its taking forever to boot and i'm not sure its going to make it.
[02:05] <newboon2age> anybody know how i can tell if its still making boot progress?  every once and a while the hd activity light flickers.  I did cntl+at+
[02:06] <newboon2age> cnt+alt+F5 and it gave me a few lines of info but then just a blinking cursor.
[02:08] <newboon2age> is there a beginners team person here?
[02:11] <win_2_linux> sorry newboon2age i'm totally new to linux
[02:11] <newboon2age> win_2_linux: well thanks anyway :)
[02:12] <win_2_linux> why worry about it as long as boots
[02:12] <win_2_linux> however i don't have a grub menu when i boot up ,
[02:12] <win_2_linux> it goes to a screen
[02:12] <newboon2age> win_2_linux: well we're talking about something like 10 minutes so far
[02:13] <win_2_linux> i have issues too, i guess we all do, i'm sure if we went into windows channels they'd have issues with that os too
[02:14] <newboon2age> win_2_linux:  the ironic thing is my wubi Kubuntu is working fine and that is how I'm communicating now...
[02:14] <win_2_linux> oh it takes grub that long to load your computer
[02:14] <win_2_linux> it runs in windows
[02:14] <newboon2age> win_2_linux: different computer.
[02:14] <newboon2age> win_2_linux: just saying
[02:15] <win_2_linux> thats how i started with ubuntu in a wubi thing
[02:15] <win_2_linux> for a while then decided to go clean install
[02:15] <tenach> newboon2age, what do the lines say?
[02:15] <newboon2age> win_2_linux: that was our first communication
[02:15] <win_2_linux> i have issues, its on a laptop and it wont wake up from suspend or hibernate have to force a shut down
[02:15] <win_2_linux> yes
[02:16] <win_2_linux> i remember a while back there was a win2linux distrib
[02:16] <tenach> win_2_linux, I have that issue and don't know how to fix it.  I have never had good luck with hibernate or suspend on a laptop running Ubuntu.
[02:16] <win_2_linux> i don't think it last ed that long
[02:17] <win_2_linux> tenach its everyone turns out it cold be a kernel thing or an x thing, has anyone ever tried suspending from the console instead
[02:17] <win_2_linux> the alt ctrl f7
[02:17] <newboon2age> tenach: there are four.  They look like the kind of lines i see when i run dmesg.  They are all pertaining to vbox .  Last one is [ a number.number] vboxdrv: echo2 > /proc/sys/kernel/per_counter_paranoid
[02:18] <win_2_linux> you know you might want to try a grub channel maybe they can help you with your issues since it is a grub thing
[02:18] <tenach> It may not be a grub thing.
[02:19] <newboon2age> win_2_linux: there's one from China now that's supposed to look just like windoze.
[02:19] <win_2_linux> no not our issues, newboon's issues
[02:19] <newboon2age> tenach: win_2_linux I think maybe the grub part is mostly fixed, cuz at least it gets past the grub menu.  So its trying to load ubuntu.
[02:20] <tenach> Yeah.
[02:20] <win_2_linux> i'm trying to break my dependency on windows, i see some open source programs are just as good or bettr than the retail win programs
[02:20] <newboon2age> win_2_linux: so true!
[02:20] <tenach> is there anything on tty1? (alt f1) ?
[02:20] <tenach> win_2_linux, very true.
[02:21] <newboon2age> it just gives a login prompt w/ a blinking cursor tenach
[02:21] <tenach> oh!
[02:21] <tenach> You're booted
[02:21] <tenach> put your username in there
[02:21] <tenach> and then it will ask for your password.
[02:21] <win_2_linux> yeah as far suspending and hibernating there are no problems its just come back from those states there in lies the problem
[02:22] <win_2_linux> yeah sounds like something is broken between booting and summoning X
[02:22] <tenach> newboon2age what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[02:22] <newboon2age> tenach: yes, you're right.  now what should i do?  10.04 32bit
[02:22] <win_2_linux> hardware conflicts between x and some of his hardware
[02:23] <tenach> newboon2age after you log in, try
[02:23] <tenach> sudo service gdm start
[02:24] <newboon2age> tenach: it says:  start: Job is already running: gdm
[02:24] <tenach> hm.
[02:24] <win_2_linux> kill it and try again?
[02:24] <tenach> Not yet
[02:24] <tenach> Is there anything on tty8?
[02:25] <win_2_linux> how many tty are there lol
[02:25] <tenach> I've never had to go past tty9
[02:26] <newboon2age> tenach: I can do a cntl+alt+F7 and that shows the plymouth boot screen, but nothing changes if i do the same w/ F8
[02:27] <tenach> Ah.
[02:27] <newboon2age> tenach: take that back
[02:27] <newboon2age> tenach: it shows a blinking cursor only
[02:27] <tenach> okay
[02:27] <tenach> in 7, can you log in normally to Gnome?
[02:28] <newboon2age> tenach: how do i do that?
[02:29] <tenach> What shows up on the plymout boot screen?  Just the logo?
[02:30] <tenach> *plymouth
[02:30] <newboon2age> tenach: yes.  its a substitue plymouth logo.  actually I think its the first time that particular one showed on boot up because normally i just had that one on shutdown and then the default on bootup.
[02:31] <tenach> hmm.
[02:32] <tenach> I would try to restart gdm by going to tty1 and doing sudo service gdm restart
[02:33] <tenach> So if I am understanding correctl, your computer boots fine, just doesn't bring you to the user login screen?
[02:33] <tenach> Correctly, even.
[02:35] <newboon2age> tenach: okay, it started up the plymouth screen and i got a cross for a mouse pointer (first time i had a pointer) but then I tried to move to a different tty and now no blinking cursor
[02:36] <newboon2age> tenach: and can't find the plymouth screen on any of the ttys
[02:36] <win_2_linux> how about a reinstall?
[02:36] <tenach> win_2_linux, things can be fixed without reinstalling everytime something happens.
[02:37] <newboon2age> win_2_linux: really want to avoid that if at all possible.  I think we're close...
[02:37] <tenach> Most of the errors I have had would not be fixed with a reinstall.
[02:37] <win_2_linux> really thats reassuring...its my windows thinking
[02:37] <win_2_linux> lol
[02:37] <tenach> win_2_linux I know :)  It took me a while to stop thinking like that.
[02:38] <win_2_linux> :)
[02:38] <newboon2age> tenach: this brings up a question ive had for awhile.  now i've got a non-interactive situation with no cursors.  is it okay to pull the plug or is there some better option?
[02:39] <tenach> newboon2age, I am thinking :D  I haven't had a lot of experience with Plymouth myself, other than having to switch out my ancient video card.
[02:40] <newboon2age> tenach: i pressed the on/off button and it brought me to the plymouth screen (which had been missing)...
[02:41] <newboon2age> tenach: but still no interactive and i think it just shut off
[02:42] <newboon2age> tenach: yes.  restarting...
[02:42] <tenach> Hm.
[02:54] <newboon2age> tenach: lost my wireless connection for a bit there.
[02:55] <tenach> No worries newboon2age
[02:56] <tenach> I'm not having much luck finding any answers.
[02:56] <win_2_linux> its probably something obvious
[02:56] <newboon2age> tenach: its back to a similar situation.  cnt+alt+F7  shows plymouth screen while tty1-6 are interactive -- this time nothing showing on tty5. tty8 is blinking cursor on black background
[02:56] <win_2_linux> right in front of th e nose
[02:57] <newboon2age> tenach: i logged into tty1 and tried that start gdm command and again it says its running....
[02:58] <tenach> Yeah, if you're getting the plymouth screen, gdm is most likely running already.
[02:58] <newboon2age> tenach: should i try killall gdm and then the start command?
[03:00] <tenach> I don't think that will render any different results, but it's worth a try.
[03:00] <win_2_linux> about five or six years ago, i first tried linux mandrake to be exact.  It loaded and installed nicely, used it for a couple of weeks actually fell in love with it, then something happened, it broke or something and would not boot, for life of me I couldn't get it to boot, I reinstalled windows and fell out of love with linux until recently
[03:02] <tenach> Well, you've run into a helpful lot, with Ubuntu.  I may not be able to help much more, newboon2age, but there's others here who are bound to be able to. :)
[03:03] <win_2_linux> after a couple of annoying viruses nothing damaging, invaded my computer somehow, esp one put out by an anti virus company wouldn't let me do anything unless i bought their antivirus software, even after rebooting, every time I tried to close ie7 before i got 8 it brought up two more telling me i had a virus
[03:03] <newboon2age> win_2_linux: the whole booting thing is a vulnerable place for any OS.  And its rather flumoxing for new user, no matter what OS. :)
[03:03] <win_2_linux> so I had to restart and boot into safe mode, run an antivirus program and it got rid of it
[03:06] <win_2_linux> and i'm sick of hearing about viruses and worrying about anti virus programs all the time
[03:08]  * tenach nods
[03:08] <newboon2age> win_2_linux: yup, i'm afraid to even go on the web w/ windoze.
[03:08] <newboon2age> tenach: do you remember how to get the uuid?
[03:08] <newboon2age> tenach: of the boot disk that is?
[03:09] <win_2_linux> so i'm hoping linux lives up to its rep for no viruses, trojans, keyloggers etc
[03:09] <tenach> Of the disk you're booting from or from a boot disk?
[03:09] <tenach> win_2_linux, it's just a matter of verifying sources before installing. :)  It's less of a hazard, but still possible in Linux.
[03:10] <tenach> When in doubt, research before installing.
[03:10] <tenach> As for viruses comnig through a browser, I haven't heard of that in *nix
[03:10] <tenach> and, newboon2age,just a sec
[03:10] <win_2_linux> i only install from repsositories  onlinux unless their old then i do find current ones
[03:11] <tenach> Then I'm sure you'll be safe.
[03:12] <win_2_linux> so in your estimation whats the best email client for linux that allows multiple email accounts
[03:12] <tenach> newboon2age, try blkid
[03:13] <tenach> win_2_linux, I don't use a mail client.  I used to use Thunderbird when I did.
[03:13] <newboon2age> tenach: yes that's it. ty
[03:13] <tenach> newboon2age, np
[03:13] <win_2_linux> how do you get your email
[03:13] <tenach> I have all my addressees go to one inbox and check that via roundcube (webmail) on my website.
[03:13] <tenach> *addresses
[03:15] <win_2_linux> ic
[03:19] <tenach> I've never been fond of desktop mail clients.  They always seem too bulky form e.
[03:19] <tenach> *for me.
[03:20] <tenach> Roundcube is definitely not without issues though. xD It's slow as molasses sometimes.
[03:21] <tenach> I have heard that evolution is pretty good if you're not a heavy email user.
[03:21] <tenach> Though, I think it's mostly just preferential.
[03:22]  * tenach ends babbling.
[03:25] <newboon2age> tenach: well i don't think i did much different (commented out a mounted .iso disk i fstab, but i don't think that did anything), but then i did that gdm restart and was able to login to the gui.  I wonder if i should reinstall gdm?
[03:26] <tenach> newboon2age, have you run any updates lately?
[03:27] <newboon2age> tenach: yes that's what brought this on.  I did a 'distribution upgrade' and whamo
[03:27] <tenach> Ah, okay.
[03:27] <tenach> Did you do the dist upgrade from the net or an iso?
[03:28] <tenach> I would suggest running an update to see if there's any updates to gdm.
[03:28] <newboon2age> tenach: from the net
[03:28] <tenach> Ah, okay.
[03:28] <tenach> newboon2age, have you restarted your machine to see if it boots properly now?
[03:29] <newboon2age> tenach: no not yet
[03:30] <tenach> Alright.
[03:30] <tenach> I think that would be a good thing to do, to see if the issue is resolved.
[03:31] <newboon2age> tenach: reinstalling gdm
[03:32] <newboon2age> tenach: upgrade manager said i was up to date.  I wonder if there was some kind of problem w/ the update though and wonder if there is a way to check it or reprocess it somehow.
[03:34] <zkriesse> my xchat is all screwed up
[03:36] <tenach> zkriesse, damn
[03:36] <zkriesse> it doesn't join all the channels in my auto join list and it joins ones that aren't in it
[03:36] <tenach> weird. :S
[03:37] <tenach> newboon2age, that is odd.
[03:37] <newboon2age> tenach: can't reinstall plymouth cuz it sez "something wicked happened resolving 'us.archive.ubuntu.com:http' No address associated with hostname
[03:41] <tenach> newboon2age, in a terminal run sudo apt-get update
[03:41] <tenach> to make sure you've got the latest list
[03:43] <newboon2age> tenach: okay there's a wireless connection issue.. checking...
[03:47] <newboon2age> tenach: i think the systems not really running right even though it looks like it is on the surface.  wicd reports a connection but i can't actually get anything through
[03:47] <newboon2age> tenach: restarting
[03:48] <newboon2age> tenach: i think its the ubuntu studio plymouth theme i'm using
[03:50] <newboon2age> tenach: seems to still be booting...
[03:53] <newboon2age> tenach: rats, it the hd light keeps flickering, but still in plymouth boot w/o the activity indicator going.
[03:54] <ebhc> Hello, I have a DNS problem I'm hoping someone could help me with.
[03:57] <ebhc> anybody around to help out?
[03:58] <tenach> newboon2age damn.
[04:15] <zkriesse> Hey team
[04:43] <newboon2age> tenach: I went away for a bit.  it stalled indefinitley on the plymouth screen, but i was also able to restart gdm and am logging on now.  If I only knew what to reinstall or reconfigure it would probably work again...
[04:45] <newboon2age> tenach: if i can figure this one out it will go most of the way towards building my confidence to the point i won't be worried at all about breaking linux
[04:46] <phillw> newboon2age: for any worries about linux, get this done http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[04:46] <tenach> newboon2age, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[04:46] <phillw> you'll just have to trust me on that one
[04:47] <tenach> I am going to be offline for a few, newboon2age
[04:47] <collinp> phillw: Forget separate partitions, I put my /home on a totally different hard drive.
[04:47] <tenach> I'll be back in ~1 hour or less.
[04:48] <phillw> collinp: well, that's nice if you don't have a laptop :p
[04:48] <newboon2age> tenach, ill give it a shot, thanks for your help!!!!
[04:52] <newboon2age> trying sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm.  now rebooting
[04:52] <newboon2age> phillw: that is an interesting article, i'll have to study it...
[04:53] <phillw> newboon2age: I do not think you will hear anyone on here suggest that you do not have a seperate  /home
[04:54]  * phillw listens for those who diasagree
[04:57] <ddecator> i haven't done it, but i'll probably do it next time i do a fresh install..
[04:57] <newboon2age> phillw: oh, i did the default, so whatever ubuntu installs i got it
[04:58] <phillw> ddecator: well i know it works, i split mine off
[04:58] <collinp> phillw: OBJECTION!
[04:59] <phillw> collinp: less shouting :-(
[04:59] <collinp> I just felt like doing that.
[05:00] <phillw> jeez, I was expecting a member of UBT to tell you off, but you are one :-|
[05:00] <collinp> Yeah. Lol.
[05:00] <ddecator> tell him off for what? o.o
[05:00] <collinp> I'm also a channel op.
[05:00] <phillw> SHOUTING
[05:01] <ddecator> !caps | phillw
[05:01] <ubot2> phillw: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[05:01] <ddecator> :p
[05:01] <ddecator> it's not a big deal unless a person is constantly doing it, haha
[05:02] <phillw> ahh, one more reason that I will not join UB, one rule for some, one rule for everyone else.
[05:02] <collinp> Heh. Don't worry, one-time occurance.
[05:02] <ddecator> i was joking, but ok...
[05:02] <collinp> I still have to abide by channel rules and the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, so yeah.
[05:03] <ddecator> if he had kept shouting i would have said something :)
[05:03] <collinp> If I had kept shouting, then something's wrong.
[05:03] <ddecator> that too
[05:03] <collinp> ;)
[05:09] <newboon2age> i don't think sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm solved it.  it seems to be stalled on plymouth boot screen
[05:15] <newboon2age> is upstart used in Lucid?
[05:19] <ddecator> i believe so
[05:19] <ddecator> newboon2age: when it stalls on plymouth, have you tried hitting <enter>?
[05:20] <newboon2age> ddecator: i'll try
[05:22] <newboon2age> ddecator: no apparent effect, although the HD activity light is still flickering from time to time
[05:22] <ddecator> newboon2age: odd, do you have any older kernels still on the system you can try to boot into?
[05:23] <newboon2age> ddecator: how do you do that?
[05:23] <newboon2age> ddecator: i don't know if you caught the earlier conversation, but i can still log in by
[05:23] <ddecator> newboon2age: when you see the GRUB screen (black/white screen that lets you select what you want to boot into) there should be entries for older kernels if there are any
[05:24] <ddecator> newboon2age: ah, i didn't see that. what do you have to do to get to gdm?
[05:24] <newboon2age> going to tty1-5 and i can restart gdm, although it doesn't seem like its totally working correctly
[05:25] <newboon2age> ddecator: like the wireless shows its connected, but i'm not really getting a connection
[05:26] <ddecator> newboon2age: ah, i see. is this a fresh install or have you had it for a while?
[05:26] <newboon2age> ddecator: had it for a bit.  lucid.  just did a 'distribution upgrade' yesterday and when i restarted first it was coming to a grub2 menu.
[05:27] <newboon2age> ddecator: then I managed to get it working following the grub2 recovery instructions from the wiki, but still having these probs
[05:27] <ddecator> newboon2age: by distribution upgrade, do you mean you upgraded from a previous release to lucid, or you did a "dist-upgrade"?
[05:29] <newboon2age> ddecator: it was already lucid (started off lucid).  Then yesterday I got a prompt for an upgrade and somewhere along the way i think it said something about dist uprade or something (don't know what that is)
[05:29] <ddecator> newboon2age: from the update manager?
[05:30] <newboon2age> ddecator: yes
[05:31] <ddecator> hm, anyone know if a bootlog would show the output plymouth is hiding?
[05:34] <newboon2age> ddecator: is there a bootlog i should be looking at?
[05:34] <win_2_linux> i'm back
[05:35] <ddecator> newboon2age: try looking at /var/log/boot.log (you can put it into a paste.ubuntu.com pastebin if you want us to take a look)
[05:35] <ddecator> wb win_2_linux
[05:35] <win_2_linux> poor newboon2age still trying to fix his problem
[05:35] <newboon2age> ddecator: i can't readily get it off the machine, but i can look at it.
[05:35] <ddecator> newboon2age: sure thing, hopefully it will have a helpful error message
[05:37] <win_2_linux> oops
[05:41] <newboon2age> ddecator: starts off w/ 11 lines of udevd[349]: SYSFS()= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR()= to match the event device, or ATTRS()= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/80-canon_mfp.rules:10 {and various rules are listed..}
[05:42] <ddecator> doesn't sound too different from mine...no errors?
[05:44] <newboon2age> ddecator: hmmm...  it says *Checking quotas...         ^[[128G /n
[05:45] <newboon2age> ddecator: @[[122G[ OK ]    those carrets look wierd to me
[05:46] <newboon2age> it has another line like that, then *Starting AppArmor profiles   ^[[128G Skipping profile in /etc/apparmor.d/disable: usr.bin.firefox
[05:46] <newboon2age> * Setting sensors limits  [more carrety things]
[05:47] <newboon2age> 8 Starting domain name service... bing9   {carety things}
[05:47] <newboon2age> Loading DAHDI hardware modules:
[05:47] <newboon2age> and then
[05:48] <ddecator> so far nothing that seems out of the ordinary...what's the last thing listed?
[05:49] <newboon2age> FATAL: inserting dahdi (lib/modules/2.6.32-23-generic/updates/dkms/dahdi.ko:  Invalid module format  dahdi: error   dahdi_dummy: error dahdi_transcode: error
[05:49] <newboon2age> and thats it
[05:49] <ddecator> ah, that looks like it'd cause some trouble :)
[05:51] <ddecator> hm, try 'sudo aptitude reinstall dahdi-linux'
[05:52] <win_2_linux> what is dahdi
[05:53] <newboon2age> web page says: Short for "Digium Asterisk Hardware Device Interface"
[05:53] <newboon2age> whatever that is
[05:53] <ddecator> http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/dahdi-source
[05:53] <ddecator> that has a short description
[05:53] <win_2_linux> ahhh ok thats interesting
[05:55] <newboon2age> before i can really do the reinstall of dahdi-linux, since i'm having trouble connecting wo wireless in this state, is there something i should do?
[05:57] <ddecator> oh, right...any chance you can hook up to wired ethernet for a little bit?
[05:58] <newboon2age> possibly.  is there any kind of modprobe kind of thing i should do right away? or uninstall/purge thing?
[05:59] <ddecator> not that i know of..
[06:00] <newboon2age> because if i restart gdm right now I think its kinda in a broken state.
[06:01] <ddecator> i can't think of anything you should do right away, but kernel-related issues aren't my strong point
[06:14] <newboon2age> okay i plugged in and tried to sudo appt-get update, and the reinstall dahdi command, but they failed.  i don't think networking is working right
[06:16] <ddecator> :(
[06:16] <newboon2age> so i'm restarting the gdm...
[06:16] <newboon2age> it reports i'm connected...
[06:23] <newboon2age> ddecator: when i tried to do a dahdi reinstall, it says (old business unfinished i guess)
[06:25] <newboon2age> ddecator: the following packages will be removed: libkunitconversion{u} libtaskmanager4a{u} linux-rt-headers-2.6.31-10{u} plasma-dataengines-workspace{u}
[06:26] <ddecator> i'm not sure what the {u} means..
[06:26] <ddecator> are you using kubuntu?
[06:26] <zkriesse> ddecator: he's using kubuntu
[06:27] <zkriesse> plasma-dataengines-workspace{u} that gives it away
[06:27] <zkriesse> the "plasma" part
[06:27] <ddecator> right, that's why i asked..
[06:27] <zkriesse> plasma is the kubuntu desktop
[06:27] <ddecator> but it could be ubuntu with kde installed
[06:28] <newboon2age> ddecator: well i did install the kde desktop, and a few kde programs, like Konversation, Kate and others
[06:29] <newboon2age> ddecator: zkriesse it is ubuntu to begin with and then some kubuntu/kde stuff added
[06:29] <zkriesse> newboon2age: ok and what is the issue?
[06:30] <newboon2age> ddecator: oh, i just saw that wicd didn't say it was connected to ethernet after all.  i just told it to connect...
[06:32] <ddecator> newboon2age: i'd say it's not a big deal to have those packages installed, but i'm not sure if linux-rt-headers-* being removed would cause any issues..
[06:32] <ddecator> to have those packages removed*
[06:33] <ddecator> zkriesse: after updating recently, can't boot successfully (hangs during plymouth, the bootlog pointed to an error with the dahdi kernel module)
[06:33] <zkriesse> ah ok i'm lost
[06:33] <newboon2age> in boot log: FATAL: inserting dahdi (lib/modules/2.6.32-23-generic/updates/dkms/dahdi.ko:  Invalid module format  dahdi: error   dahdi_dummy: error dahdi_transcode: error
[06:33] <ddecator> right, that
[06:34] <newboon2age> zkriesse: that was the last line in the boot log
[06:34] <zkriesse> ah
[06:35] <newboon2age> and the issue is basically that when booting it just stalls on the plymouth boot screen.
[06:35] <ddecator> and reinstalling the dahdi package apparently requires the removal of those packages listed earlier (but i'm not sure what the {u} means...)
[06:35] <newboon2age> i can log in on any of tty1-5
[06:36] <newboon2age> and then restart gdm, but its like something is still broken underneath.
[06:36] <ddecator> yah, the kernel probably isn't loading right due to that error with the module
[06:37] <newboon2age> okay wicd says i'm connected and i have an ip address, but i can't reach the repositories, or the web so it doesn't seem like i'm really connected.
[06:37] <ddecator> :/
[06:38] <newboon2age> so if i could restart the networking function, maybe i could get this fix
[06:38] <newboon2age> fixed
[06:39] <ddecator> hmm..
[06:39] <newboon2age> is there any kind of modprobe thing or service restart thing i can do?
[06:39] <ddecator> possibly, but i don't know what would work offhand
[06:40] <ddecator> and grub definitely doesn't give you the option to boot into an older kernel?
[06:40] <newboon2age> zkriesse: ddecator: i did a lsmod and have a list of modules.  what whoudl I look for?
[06:40] <newboon2age> ddecator: it might.  i hadn't figured out how to do that.
[06:42] <ddecator> newboon2age: when you're at the GRUB menu, you should be able to use the up an down arrow keys to select what you want to boot into. the newest kernel on your system is the default, just under that should be the recovery mode for that kernel. if there are any older kernels still installed, those will show up below that (you can just look at the version numbers)
[06:42] <newboon2age> right now i can only uninstall or purge dahdi from synaptic
[06:43] <newboon2age> despite the fact i've got the lucid install disk in the drive and have checked that option on the repositories
[06:44] <newboon2age> ddecator: its not set to come to grub menu by default (no other os, single boot)
[06:44] <ddecator> you could try uninstalling then rebooting, and if all goes well re-installing, but i'm not entirely sure what that module does. at this point it doesn't seem to be working anyway though
[06:45] <newboon2age> ddecator: well that's true
[06:45] <ddecator> ah, you'd have to hit a key then...shift maybe? i can't remember what key goes to grub, haha
[06:58] <newboon2age> ddecator: zkriesse: i looked at the different modules but didn't see what was network related, so i did a removal of the 3 dahdi packages
[06:59] <ddecator> newboon2age: yah, i couldn't tell either, hopefully this works :)
[07:01] <newboon2age> ddecator: as i'm doint this it says its removing all DKMS Modules.  http://linux.dell.com/projects.shtml
[07:02] <newboon2age> that page talks a little about DKMS
[07:02] <ddecator> right, it should just be removing the dahdi modules
[07:02] <newboon2age> ddecator: guess i'll reboot now...
[07:13] <newboon2age> ddecator: looking at the boot log.  'dahdi_cfg not executable'  Starting virtual private network daemons... Starting amavisd: {blah blah} and then nothing
[07:13] <ddecator> does it still hang?
[07:15] <newboon2age> ddecator: i'm not sure i'd technically call it a hang because everyonce and a while the HD activity light comes on, but yeah its still stuck on the plymouth screen.
[07:15] <ddecator> darn..
[07:16] <newboon2age> logged in and restarted gdm
[07:19] <ddecator> if you can get to grub, you can try adding 'nomodeset' to the boot command
[07:26] <newboon2age> ddecator: how do I stop it at the grub menu to do that?
[07:27] <ddecator> during boot, after the BIOS menu, you either hit <shift> or <esc> (can't remember which one atm...) and it should show up (you might have to hold the button)
[07:31] <newboon2age> okay, restarting ddecator
[07:33] <newboon2age> ddecator: okay that worked
[07:33] <newboon2age> ddecator: i'm at the grub menu
[07:33] <ddecator> newboon2age: ok, then keep it on the first option, hit 'e' then add 'nomodeset' (not quotes) to the end of the line
[07:35] <newboon2age> ddecator: when you say first option, there is a 32-23-generic and then the same w/ recovery mode.  which one?
[07:35] <ddecator> newboon2age: the non-recovery mode option
[07:36] <newboon2age> okay i hit e and i'm looking at the options...
[07:36] <ddecator> you should be looking at the boot command. just add the 'nomodeset' to the end of it
[07:38] <newboon2age> ddecator: would that be the initrd line?
[07:40] <ddecator> i'm trying to think of what the line says..
[07:41] <newboon2age> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.23-generic
[07:42] <ddecator> 23 or 32?
[07:43] <ddecator> the newest lucid kernel is 2.6.32-22
[07:46] <newboon2age> 2.6.32-23
[07:47] <ddecator> -23? how'd you get -23? o.o
[07:47] <newboon2age> the line above that is linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-23-generic root=UUID=(long uuid number) and then ro
[07:48] <newboon2age> ddecator: just now i reinstalled/installed some headers.  maybe from that???
[07:49] <newboon2age> so maybe i should try one of the older ones?
[07:50] <ddecator> yah, try one of the older kernels first if they are available
[07:50] <newboon2age> ive got 23, 22, 21, and 11-rt
[07:50] <newboon2age> 31-11-rt
[07:51] <ddecator> try 22
[07:51] <newboon2age> maybe 21?
[07:51] <ddecator> or 21, either
[07:51] <newboon2age> i'm not sure about where the nomodeset thing goes
[07:52] <ddecator> don't worry about that right now, try the older kernel first :)
[07:52] <newboon2age> recovery mode or non recovery mode?
[07:53] <ddecator> non
[07:53] <newboon2age> when I sucessfully boot (as I expect, what do i do then to get this fixed?
[07:53] <newboon2age> booting in 21
[07:53] <ddecator> we'll look into a couple of different things
[07:55] <phillw> ddecator: *32-23 is the current kernel level for 10.04
[07:55] <ddecator> whuuuuuuuu...
[07:55]  * ddecator goes to synaptic
[07:55] <phillw> ddecator:  ls /boot
[07:56] <phillw> :-D
[07:56] <ddecator> it's not listed in synaptic, and i just updated a little bit ago o.o
[07:56] <ddecator> i'm calling shenanigans on something
[07:56] <phillw> i love GUI, try CLI ?
[07:57] <ddecator> i ran your command, not there, conky is listing -22 as my kernel, and there are not more updates...
[07:58]  * ddecator is baffled
[07:58] <newboon2age> ddecator: okay its trying to connect to the internet...
[07:59] <phillw> ddecator: http://pastebin.com/nNEZLjB1
[07:59] <ddecator> O.o
[08:00] <ddecator> rmadison lists it too..
[08:00] <newboon2age> ddecator: problem.  still not connecting to the internet it seems ... checking...
[08:00] <ddecator> newboon2age: did it hang at plymouth still?
[08:01] <newboon2age> ddecator: no, no problem w/ boot as far as i could tell....
[08:01] <ddecator> maybe the mirror i use doesn't have it available..
[08:01] <ddecator> newboon2age: well that's progress at least :)
[08:01] <newboon2age> ddecator: checking another internet connection
[08:02] <newboon2age> ddecator: yes, at least i can boot semi normally
[08:05] <newboon2age> hmmm... the internet connection says its working but its not...
[08:06] <newboon2age> ddecator: I'm thinking maybe i should try recovery mode?
[08:06] <newboon2age> ddecator: i don't know what that means
[08:06] <newboon2age> ddecator: somehow i need to restart the network functions
[08:07] <ddecator> recovery mode just helps if you can't boot at all (gives you a terminal and a network connection, but the network connection isn't working right now anyway)
[08:07] <ddecator> anyone else on that has ideas? it's 3:10am so i'm becoming less and less useful :(
[08:08] <newboon2age> ddecator: you must be back east.
[08:08] <ddecator> newboon2age: west michigan atm
[08:08] <newboon2age> ddecator: I'm in CA, i hope you're only staying up because you want to.
[08:09] <ddecator> newboon2age: i am, but by this point i start to lose ideas and i'm not much help in this channel :/
[08:10] <newboon2age> well, i appreciate all your help.  and if you can't do more i understand... i think i might try recovery mode...
[08:11] <newboon2age> rebooting now
[08:11] <ddecator> sorry this is taking you so long. i'm better with mozilla bugs, triage, and patching/packaging. kernel issues aren't my strong point at all, haha. worst case, someone else will be on at a different time with more knowledge about this stuff than i have
[08:13] <newboon2age> ddecator: well the good thing is that its a learning experience for all of us
[08:13] <ddecator> newboon2age: very true :)
[08:14] <newboon2age> ddecator: although i wouldn't have picked it, i'm playing the guinea pig
[08:15] <newboon2age> i'm booting in 21, recovery, net-root mode
[08:17] <newboon2age> ddecator: lets see, once i'm up, i wonder what i should do.
[08:19] <newboon2age> okay i'm up...
[08:20] <ddecator> does the internet work?
[08:21] <newboon2age> nope, it looks like networking still isn't working.  hmmm..
[08:22] <newboon2age> ddecator: i guess i'm making an assumption because all i tried was an apt-get and that failed
[08:23] <ddecator> if it's wifi, you'd probably have to connect manually
[08:24] <newboon2age> well i had it connected by ethernet
[08:24] <ddecator> :(
[08:26] <hobgoblin> o/ bodzilla
[08:26] <bodzilla> howdy
[08:26] <newboon2age> ddecator: one of the puzzles to me is why i can't get it to get stuff off the cdROM
[08:27] <ddecator> oh, -23 is still in prosposed..
[08:27] <ddecator> newboon2age: idk if that's possible or not
[08:30] <newboon2age> bodzilla: hobgoblin ddecator: does anyone know a command line command to check whether your networking is going, and possibly a command to restart it if its not?
[08:31] <hobgoblin> see what ifconfig says
[08:32] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: okay i ran it, now how do i interpret the output?
[08:33] <veonone> mornin. Can i resize my current file system partition without harming itself and the other partition i want to take from?
[08:33] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: ddecator: i'm looking at the eth0 and it says RX packets: 33 errors:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[08:34] <newboon2age> TX packets: 60 errors: 0 dropped: 0 overruns: 0 carrier: 0
[08:34] <hobgoblin> newboon2age: is it connected - do you get a inet addr ? tbh I don't have much with networking - never had much in the way of issues to deal with
[08:35] <hobgoblin> veonone: you can - but there is always a possibility with parrtition work that there could be errors - always make sure you have backups of anything you can;t afford to lose
[08:35] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: it says inet addre: 192.168.1.40 Bcast:192.168.1.255 mask: 255.255.255.0
[08:35] <hobgoblin> k
[08:36] <hobgoblin> sounds normal enough to me - what are you trying to do anyway?
[08:36] <newboon2age> it says UP RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 METRIC:1
[08:37] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: ddecator: in the gui i'm not able to actually do anything on the internet although wicd says i'm connected
[08:38] <hobgoblin> newboon2age: sorry - I'm not too with it on networking
[08:38] <ddecator> neither am i :/
[08:38] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: ddecator: maybe i need to do something from the command line to restart networking or something...
[08:39] <hobgoblin> newboon2age: 2 secs
[08:39] <geirha> Can you ping the gateway?
[08:39] <newboon2age> geirha: sounds like a good idea.  how do i do that?
[08:40] <geirha> sudo route -n   there should be one line where Gateway is not 0.0.0.0
[08:40] <geirha> ping -c4 <that ip>
[08:41] <newboon2age> geirha: it says 0.0.0.0 is the gateway
[08:41] <geirha> How many lines total?
[08:41] <newboon2age> one line of actual data
[08:42] <geirha> Hm. Odd.
[08:42] <newboon2age> geirha: i'm pinging 0.0.0.0 -- how do i interpret the result?
[08:43] <geirha> newboon2age: ctrl+c   pinging 0.0.0.0 is not meaningful though
[08:43] <geirha> err, I read "interrupt" instead of "interpret" :)
[08:43] <newboon2age> geirha: it says 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1 icmp_seq= blah blah
[08:44] <newboon2age> geirha: so i should cntl c it?
[08:44] <geirha> newboon2age: No, I misread your question earlier
[08:44] <newboon2age> it says 122 packets transmitted, 122 received, 0% packet loss blah blah
[08:46] <geirha> Is this a wired connection? And it's connected to a router?
[08:46] <newboon2age> geirha: yes
[08:46] <geirha> Sounds like there's something odd with the router's dhcp
[08:47] <newboon2age> geirha: its connected to what i think is a router.  someone else more knowledgeable than i set it up
[08:48] <newboon2age> geirha: is there some kind of command to restart the whole networking shebang?
[08:48] <geirha> I'd try  sudo dhclient3 eth0   to reaquire information from dhcp, then see if   sudo route -n  changes
[08:50] <newboon2age> geirha: doing that now...
[08:51] <newboon2age> geirha: now it does not give a data line for sudo route -n
[08:52] <geirha> Did dhclient3 say it got a response from a dhcp server? Or did it give up?
[08:53] <newboon2age> it said There is already a pid file ...dhclient.pid ... killed old client process, removed PID file
[08:54] <newboon2age> geirha: then it lists Ebox stuff and saays its Listening on LPF/eth0/number,
[08:54] <newboon2age> Sending on LPF/eth0/blah
[08:55] <newboon2age> DHCPREQUEST of 192.168.1.40 on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
[08:56] <geirha> followed by a DHCPACK?
[08:57] <newboon2age> geirha: yes
[08:57] <newboon2age> DHCPACK of 192.168.1.40 from 192.168.1.1
[08:57] <geirha> Ok, so the dhcp server is giving you an ip-adress, but apparently no information to set up the routing table.
[08:58] <newboon2age> geirha: just checked and the gui for ufw says firewall off.
[08:58] <geirha> ping -c4 192.168.1.1
[08:59] <thetick> how do get the default sources.list?  I upgraded from Jaunty-->Karimac --> to Lucid and don't get any updates.  My sources.list has one vaild entry.  All my jaunty and karimac entries are commented out
[08:59] <geirha> I'm not familiar with ufw, but firewall off sounds like a good thing for now.
[09:00] <newboon2age> geirha: it says Network is unreachable
[09:00] <geirha> thetick: System -> Administration -> Software Sources
[09:01] <newboon2age> geirha: i guess somewhere in there wicd decided it is not connected anymore
[09:02] <thetick> OK cool thanks.. I see the main universe etc... Any reason why the upgrade to Lucid did not enable all the libs like my previous upgrades to Jaunty and Karmic
[09:03] <geirha> newboon2age: Could be wicd is doing something odd, yes. I've never tried wicd before, so I don't really know how that works.
[09:03] <geirha> thetick: It should have, so it's odd it didn't.
[09:04] <newboon2age> geirha: should i tell wicd to reconnect, or something from the command line, or have we gone as far as you're able to go?
[09:06] <geirha> newboon2age: Yeah, try that, tell wicd to reconnect. Does route -n get that line back?
[09:06] <geirha> And if it does, try pinging 192.168.1.1 again
[09:06] <newboon2age> geirha: tried it before wicd reconnect and it has no data line
[09:07] <thetick> Finally what are the lucid-backports listed in the update tab of the Software Sources app
[09:07] <newboon2age> geirha: now afterward it has the line again.
[09:07] <newboon2age> geirha: actually two lines now
[09:08] <geirha> thetick: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[09:08] <newboon2age> 192.168.1.0   gateway 0.0.0.0  genmask 255.255.255.0 blah bah
[09:09] <thetick> Very Cool!  Thanks for the quick info!
[09:09] <hobgoblin> thetick: http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ is quite useful - in case you need to generate a sources list again
[09:09] <newboon2age> and 0.0.0.0  gateway 192.168.1.1  genmask 0.0.0.0 blah (both say Iface eth0)
[09:10] <geirha> newboon2age: Oh, that's the line we were looking for earlier
[09:10] <geirha> You get any response from 192.168.1.1 now?
[09:10] <newboon2age> now when i do the ping -c4 192.168.1.1 it does 4 packets sent, 4 recieved, blah blah
[09:12] <newboon2age> geirha: now its connecting to the web!  i'm coming up in irc on that computer.  okay, but what did we do and how do i repeat it???
[09:12] <nUboon2Age> geirha: here i am on the computer in question.
[09:13] <geirha> nUboon2Age: Seems there is some black magic involved here.
[09:13] <geirha> We didn't really do anything other than tell wicd to reconnect.
[09:14] <thetick> Wow Thanks hobgoblin.  That site is exactly what was looking for even has VLC , Google apps  etc
[09:14] <newboon2age> okay, now that i'm connected to the web, i wonder what packages i should get or remove to fix this thing up
[09:14] <newboon2age> or reinstall
[09:19] <nUboon2Age> ...
[09:20] <hobgoblin> why would you want to reinstall?
[09:21] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: no i meant packages to reinstall
[09:21] <hobgoblin> oic - I'll go back to sleep ... :)
[09:22] <hobgoblin> is it not fixed?
[09:23] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: i'm on-line so that part is working.  The original problem is that its stalling at the plymouth boot screen
[09:23] <hobgoblin> is it a new install?
[09:23] <hobgoblin> or is it updated?
[09:23] <newboon2age> with ddecator's help i booted to grub2 and then picked an older version of the kernel to boot from
[09:24]  * hobgoblin shakes a fist at plymouth 
[09:24] <geirha> What's «plymouth boot screen»?
[09:24] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: the upgrade manager prompted me yesterday and somewhere in the process it said something about being a 'dist-upgrade or something
[09:25] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: then on restart it went straight to the grub recovery interface.
[09:25] <hobgoblin> oh right - so you have an upgraded system - have you updated since then - or made sure there's no updates
[09:25] <hobgoblin> are you still in the netroot recovery ?
[09:25] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: so folks here helped me get grub2 reinstalled, but then it stalls on the plymouth boot screen
[09:26] <hobgoblin> geirha: I think the plymouth boot screen is the bit you scream at in frustration if it's not working for you :)
[09:26] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: no, it booted successfully (except the networking wasn't working until you gusy helped me get it going jsut now)
[09:26] <geirha> hobgoblin: Oh, that one, haha :)
[09:27] <hobgoblin> newboon2age: I'd do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade first
[09:27] <hobgoblin> newboon2age: what video card do you have?
[09:27] <thetick> Thanks.  You guys are the best.  bye
[09:28] <hobgoblin> we try
[09:28] <veonone> what argument do i need to show hidden files?
[09:29] <hobgoblin> veonone: ctrl+h in nautilus
[09:29] <geirha> veonone: which command?
[09:29] <veonone> ls
[09:29] <geirha> -a
[09:29] <hobgoblin> -al
[09:29] <hobgoblin> or that one
[09:30] <veonone> i forgot my livecd at work i try to make a live usb from gparted
[09:30] <newboon2age> okay hobgoblin i'm doing that apt-get stuff
[09:30] <hobgoblin> newboon2age: not sure if you are aware - but when you first boot after some updates ureadahead runs which makes the boot slower than it would normally be
[09:31] <hobgoblin> newboon2age: is it updating some stuff then?
[09:31] <hobgoblin> newboon2age: so what graphics doyou have?
[09:31] <newboon2age> its getting stuff so i guess yes
[09:32] <newboon2age> don't know the answer to graphics
[09:32] <hobgoblin> ok
[09:32] <hobgoblin> do lspci when apt has finished
[09:34] <newboon2age> ooh, bad news, the machine just lost power during that....
[09:34] <hobgoblin> :(
[09:34] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: rebooting now
[09:36] <thetick> How do get command completion working with the tar command and tar.zx.tar files ?  tar with out J will command complete but not expand and with J option then tar does not command complete?
[09:37] <newboon2age> hobgoblin:  still booting
[09:38] <hobgoblin> that is quite slow ... rebooting to recovery or desktop?
[09:40] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: desktop.  still a lot of HD activity.
[09:40] <hobgoblin> might be worth having a look at dmesg to see if you can find where it stalls
[09:41] <geirha> thetick: I've never bothered learning bash-completion, but looking at the completion for the tar-command, I don't see the xz extension.
[09:41] <geirha> thetick: type _tar
[09:41] <geirha> thetick: That is, «type _tar» will display the function used for completing the tar command.
[09:42] <newboon2age> previously it had a fatal error w/ dahdi, but i removed that package...
[09:42] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: still booting
[09:43] <hobgoblin> newboon2age: does it have enough ram?
[09:44] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: yes, 1.25G
[09:45] <hobgoblin> kl
[09:45] <thetick> need the xz-utils package so the normal tar man page or help info does list .xz format or the -J option
[09:45] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: still on plymouth screen.  i logged in and started the apt-get upgrade again and it seems to be working, so that's a step forward anyway
[09:46] <hobgoblin> newboon2age: I don't know what this plymouth screen you are talking about is
[09:46] <geirha> thetick: It's a fairly recent addition to GNU coreutils. My guess is, the guys that hack up the bash_completion stuff just hasn't caught up.
[09:47] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: its the boot screen you see with the ubuntu and logo and all
[09:50] <veonone> why don't i have access to hdd partitions in /dev? I get a not a directory error
[09:50] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: when i do cntl alt F7 i can toggle the plymouth screen on and off, but essentially it seems to stall on that screen.
[09:50] <geirha> veonone: Those are the raw devices, if you want to access them, you first need to mount them somewhere.
[09:51] <thetick> OK great thanks.  So would that be bash maintainers or some Ubuntu integration group?  I would like to get this resolved... As you can tell I'm not newbie to UNIX just to the Ubuntu way
[09:51] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: if i didn't know i could log on to tty1-5 i'd think it had hung or stalled or something
[09:51] <hobgoblin> are you in one of the tty's now?
[09:52] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: rebooting after apt-get upgrade...
[09:52] <geirha> thetick: I'd try reporting it against the bash-completion package
[09:52] <hobgoblin> newboon2age: hang on
[09:52] <hobgoblin> or is it too late - if it is go to the recovery instead of normal
[09:53] <geirha> thetick: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash-completion
[09:53] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: i let it go to the normal
[09:55] <hobgoblin> let's wait for a while then ... ;)
[09:55] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: sorry, i didn't see your note about tty.  what were you going to say?
[09:56] <hobgoblin> just wanted to check some stuff
[09:56] <thetick> Great thanks again.  Later
[09:56] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: go ahead and tell me your ideas, cuz its still taking a looooooong time
[09:57] <hobgoblin> when you've got in I want the output of cat /etc/X11/xorg.* and lspci
[09:58] <hobgoblin> if you can get to atty - sudo apt-get install pastebinit   then cat /etc/X11/xorg.* lspci |pastebinit
[09:59] <hobgoblin> actually that will fail - do cat /etc/X11/xorg.* |pastebinit
[09:59] <hobgoblin> then lspci |pastebinit
[10:00] <newboon2age> passtebinit?  it couldn't find the package
[10:00] <newboon2age> pastebinit i mean
[10:02] <newboon2age> can't find package pastebinit hobgoblin
[10:03] <newboon2age> but the display is intel 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller, rev 03
[10:05] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: there doesn't seem to be an /etc/x11 directory]
[10:06] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: i restarted the gdm
[10:07] <hobgoblin> newboon2age: X11 not x11
[10:07] <hobgoblin> as far as I know though the intel thing should be ok
[10:08] <hobgoblin> can you paste.ubuntu.com for cat /var/log/dmesg
[10:08] <hobgoblin> but I'm running out of time now
[10:09] <newboon2age> i went to X11 directory
[10:09] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: but i don't see an xorg. anything
[10:09] <hobgoblin> you might not have any xorg.* in there
[10:10] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: doesn't look like i do
[10:10] <hobgoblin> I just wanted to see if plymouth was balking from a nvidia or ati install
[10:10] <hobgoblin> so lets have a look at dmesg then I have to go
[10:12] <newboon2age> well, i tried to get to the plymouth screen by doing a cntl alt F7 and alas, i not only didn't get the plymouth screen, i seem to have lost my cursor.  any way to unjam it?
[10:13] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: in other words i have a CL shell, but no blinking cursor
[10:13] <hobgoblin> no idea
[10:13] <newboon2age> okay, well if you need to go, we'll leave it there.  what should i look for in the dmesg?
[10:14] <hobgoblin> a gap in the time signatures - where it hangs - you'll get some idea of what i't hanging on
[10:16] <hobgoblin> would be good to get pastebinit installed then you can access pastebin.com from a cli
[10:16] <newboon2age> i rebooted, tty3 and am looking at dmesg
[10:17] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: the last line is eth0: no IPv6    routers present
[10:18] <hobgoblin> try the apt-get install pastebinit again
[10:18] <hobgoblin> or have you lost net again?
[10:19] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: i tried it but still couldn't find the package.  how do i check for net again?
[10:19] <hobgoblin> well if apt is looking then you have net
[10:20] <newboon2age> it says E: Couldn't find package pastebinit
[10:20] <hobgoblin> it is very hard to see what is going on without any information
[10:20] <newboon2age> i don't know what the 'E:' thing means
[10:20] <hobgoblin> error
[10:20] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: ah
[10:21] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: trying restart of gdm
[10:21] <hobgoblin> try sudo apt-get update
[10:21] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: logging into gui
[10:23] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: checking for net
[10:23] <newboon2age> got net, but synaptics can't find that package either.
[10:24] <hobgoblin> mmmm - software sources in sys admin menu
[10:24] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: you want some info from repositories"
[10:25] <hobgoblin> yep - you can do the gui - ubuntu software tab - make sure main and universe are enabled
[10:25] <newboon2age> okay i can pastebin stuff, what would you like/
[10:25] <hobgoblin> dmesg
[10:25] <hobgoblin> and messages - both in the log file viewer
[10:29] <nUboon2Age> hobgoblin: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/VcJtvDxe
[10:30] <nUboon2Age> hobgoblin: not sure what you mean by 'messages - both in the log file viewer'
[10:30] <hobgoblin> messages is one of the logs in the log file viewer
[10:31] <nUboon2Age> hobgoblin:  i'm not sure what the 'log file viewer' is
[10:32] <nUboon2Age> okay i found that program...
[10:33] <hobgoblin> dmesg looks fairly normal
[10:35] <hobgoblin> and I have to go now - sorry
[10:35] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: had a little trouble w/ that, but here it comes
[10:36] <nUboon2Age> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/spam.php?i=FR6wf5DP hobgoblin
[10:37] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: darn it looks like i've got the wrong dates and you have to go...
[10:37] <hobgoblin> that looks ok to me
[10:38] <newboon2age> reposting todays info..
[10:40] <hobgoblin> newboon2age: no need
[10:40] <hobgoblin> newboon2age: try this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes
[10:40] <nUboon2Age> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/bNDgSj47 hobgoblin
[10:41] <hobgoblin> try From an Installation or workround B
[10:41] <hobgoblin> see if that helps
[10:41] <nUboon2Age> hobgoblin: okay I'll check that.  Thanks a million for your help.  Anything on that last pastebin?
[10:41] <hobgoblin> nUboon2Age: now I really am going - good luck with that
[10:43] <newboon2age> hobgoblin: thanks for everything you guys rock!
[12:10] <lukjad> hobgoblin !
[12:18] <hobgoblin> lukjad !
[12:19] <lukjad> hobgoblin How goes it?
[12:19] <hobgoblin> pretty good ty - busy with life - as are you I read ;)
[12:19] <lukjad> hobgoblin Heh, yeah
[12:19] <lukjad> I've taken up photography!
[12:20] <hobgoblin> cool
[12:20] <hobgoblin> what sort? that is what of
[12:21] <lukjad> hobgoblin Let me give you a link
[12:22] <lukjad> http://lukjad007.deviantart.com/gallery/
[12:22] <lukjad> hobgoblin ^
[12:24] <hobgoblin> nice - I like the fountain :)
[12:25] <lukjad> Thanks! :)
[12:26] <hobgoblin> you're welcome lukjad
[12:26] <lukjad> hobgoblin I have one I think you'll like. It's very much me.
[12:26] <lukjad> http://lukjad007.deviantart.com/art/Sad-Tree-169164350
[12:26] <lukjad> Read the comment
[12:26] <hobgoblin> ha ha ha
[12:27] <lukjad> :D
[12:27] <lukjad> I went out yesterday and shot 200 photos
[12:27] <hobgoblin> lol
[12:28] <lukjad> That makes over 3000 that I have
[12:29] <hobgoblin> too many to remember then :D
[12:29] <lukjad> hobgoblin I remember most of them actually. :)
[12:29] <hobgoblin> give it 10 years ...
[12:30] <lukjad> Well, obviously in 10 years I won't remember the shot
[12:30] <lukjad> Heh, I don't remember stuff that happened yesterday
[12:31] <hobgoblin> me neither - anyway I am off, not really here at the moment
[12:31] <hobgoblin> lukjad: speak again soon I hope
[12:31] <lukjad> Later hobgoblin !
[12:31] <lukjad> :)
[12:36] <[CENTRAL]> hi
[12:36] <[CENTRAL]> i need your expertise
[12:38] <[CENTRAL]> i managed to repartition my drive but then when booting ubuntu i got an error from the network card. so i choose to reinstall ubuntu and format my whole drive. just before installing i chose not to install the bootloader. now ubuntu is not booting at all just a horizontal cursor flashing doing nothing
[12:49] <hobgoblin> why did you not install the bootloader... try this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[12:51] <[CENTRAL]> i thought if i can choose at startup wich of the drives i will be booting it wouldnt be a problem
[12:55] <geirha> No, you must have a bootloader
[12:56] <geirha> You can have different bootloaders on different drives, e.g. windows bootloader on first drive, grub on second, then choosing which drive to boot will determine which bootloader is used.
[12:57] <[CENTRAL]> so why is that shit option there if you cant use it without it lol
[12:57] <[CENTRAL]> im so mad at me
[12:57] <[CENTRAL]> let me get to my pc i couldnt get to work the nic in windows wither :-??
[12:58] <geirha> It's useful for installing several operating systems, e.g. two different Ubuntu installs; you might wanna keep the first install's bootloader
[13:00] <[CENTRAL]> Ok i managed to get into grub minimal command line
[13:19] <lukjad> Hey [CENTRAL]
[13:24] <[CENTRAL]> o/
[14:43] <that_guy_> does any one here no how to download hydra src?
[14:45] <lukjad> that_guy_ http://hydra.ece.utexas.edu/download/
[14:47] <that_guy_> i mean how do i install it
[14:55] <that_guy_> hello?
[15:04] <lukjad> that_guy_ oh, sorry
[15:05] <lukjad> that_guy_ http://wiredbytes.com/node/23
[15:05] <lukjad> that_guy_ Hope that helps
[15:05] <that_guy_> lukjad thanks
[15:05] <lukjad> :)
[15:29] <loki00> I have a netbook with the GMA500 video thing. Does anyone here know how to make this work?
[15:41] <lukjad> What do you mean, get it to work
[15:42] <lukjad> loki00 Check this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7438828
[16:19] <loki00> lukjad: after an update of 10.04 the I cannot get to the desktop. During the update I got a warning theat the psb video drives ppa could not be forund. Can this be fixed or do I need to reinstall 10.04 and make sure the kernel does not update?
[16:27] <jmburgess> loki00: what graphics card are you running?
[17:14] <Fanshawe> Hey there everybody. I keep getting errors in my torrents. I
[17:14] <Fanshawe> I'm almost certain it has something to do with my laptop going into standby.
[17:15] <Fanshawe> Perhaps as soon as my user profile idles and it starts to demand a password, all of my torrents are halted?
[17:15] <holstein> system > preferences > powermanagement
[17:16] <holstein> system > preferences > screensaver
[17:17] <holstein> and uncheck - lock screen when screensaver is active
[17:17] <Fanshawe> Ah, of course
[17:17] <Fanshawe> Switch it off entirely, as why would I need a screensaver on a laptop, right? I just close the lid and it goes to a blank screen.
[17:18] <Fanshawe> Thanks, holstein.
[17:18] <holstein> :)
[18:11] <zkriesse> hey hobgoblin
[18:11] <zkriesse> and welcome xsaiddx
[18:12] <hobgoblin> o/
[18:12] <xsaiddx> zkriesse: thnaks
[18:25] <zkriesse> hi Scunizi
[18:25] <zkriesse> phillw: ping
[18:25] <phillw> hi zkriesse
[18:25] <Scunizi> good morning.
[18:26] <zkriesse> phillw: join -wiki
[18:37] <win_2_linux> i'm here, just working on my resume
[18:39] <holstein> what torrents?
[18:40] <holstein> oops
[18:40] <holstein> sorry, i was scrolled way up
[18:40] <holstein> i though the torrents guy was back ;)
[18:40] <holstein> thought*
[18:41] <zkriesse> holstein: that's mohi1
[18:41] <zkriesse> holstein: and he's here
[18:44] <holstein> i was responding to...
[18:44] <holstein> 12:14 < Fanshawe> Hey there everybody. I keep getting errors in my torrents. I
[18:47] <win_2_linux> yeah i saw that, and I was wondering what has Ubuntu or linux have to do with that
[18:56] <mohi1> zkriesse, wut?
[18:56] <zkriesse> mohi1: nothing
[18:56] <mohi1> zkriesse, we sopke in BT and not here. so SHHHH
[18:57] <zkriesse> hha
[18:58] <phillw> careful mohi1, zkriesse will kidnap you :p
[18:59] <mohi1> phillw, meet zkriesse :P
[19:00] <phillw> mohi1 i've already been kidnapped, pleeease send the ransom money ;-)
[19:00] <mohi1> phillw, the kidnaper left the room :P
[19:00] <mohi1> aww he came back
[19:01] <phillw> lol
[19:01]  * zkriesse kidnaps mohi1 
[19:01] <mohi1> zkriesse, fail. Its a decoy :P
[19:02]  * mohi1 hides behind pedro3005 
[20:35] <xsaiddx> hello
[20:36] <xsaiddx> while watchin a flash vidoe in chromuim i got this plugin is blocked /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[20:47] <andrei_> Hi. Problem. I reinstalled ubuntu doing a clean install on a hard drive. But the guru shows 2 difrent 10.04 installed. The first is not connecting to the network and the second has faulty display(one that im running now)
[20:49] <andrei_> I really need you guys
[20:49] <stlsaint> andrei_: guru?
[20:50] <stlsaint> you mean grub?
[20:50] <andrei_> grub. the bootloader
[20:50] <stlsaint> andrei_: why did you install ubuntu twice?
[20:50] <andrei_> long story
[20:51] <andrei_> doesent matter. last time i did a clean install there shuldnt be 2 ubuntus there
[20:51] <andrei_> and they seem to boot the same one as i intalled xchat in the other one and it appears here too
[20:52] <andrei_> wouldnt bother me if internet was working over the first one or display in the second
[20:52] <andrei_> i dont know what to thinl
[20:52] <stlsaint> andrei_: how is the display wrong?
[20:53] <andrei_> well at bootup it says somethig about the nvidia is wrong in kernel and that it will be a low graphic setting session
[20:53] <stlsaint> andrei_: are you able to get to your desktop?
[20:53] <andrei_> im there yes
[20:54] <andrei_> this linux is boiling my blood
[20:55] <stlsaint> andrei_: can you go to: System>Admin>Hardware Drivers
[20:55] <stlsaint> andrei_: what do you see in that window?
[20:56] <andrei_> version current activated
[20:56] <stlsaint> andrei_: do you have the recommened driver installed?
[20:56] <andrei_> yes
[20:57] <andrei_> but i have 2 cards. maybe a problem?
[20:57] <stlsaint> andrei_: ok, how is your display faulty, can you send a screenshot
[20:57] <andrei_> onboard and pcie
[20:57] <andrei_> its wrong resolution
[20:57] <andrei_> i mean too small
[20:57] <andrei_> like 640x800
[20:59] <andrei_> and what about those 2 linux in grub? wth
[20:59] <andrei_> :((
[20:59] <stlsaint> andrei_: if you install linux twice you will get TWO entries
[21:00] <andrei_> this is like a fourth time
[21:00] <andrei_> but i selected clean install
[21:00] <andrei_> wipe all drive
[21:00] <stlsaint> andrei_: andrei_ unless specified ubiquity will keep  all installs
[21:01] <stlsaint> andrei_: if you want to ensure all is gone, format the drive from the livecd then install ubuntu
[21:01] <andrei_> :((
[21:01] <andrei_> what does that mean? i need to reinstall again
[21:02] <andrei_> question mark
[21:04] <andrei_> at least tell me format commnd
[21:04] <stlsaint> andrei_: you dont have to reinstall
[21:04] <andrei_> i dont
[21:04] <andrei_> whoo
[21:05] <stlsaint> andrei_: you can simply format the particular partitions that hold the unwanted install of ubuntu then edit your menu.lst
[21:06] <andrei_> ths is what i have
[21:06] <andrei_> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[21:06] <andrei_> /dev/sda1   *           1        9328    74920960   83  Linux
[21:06] <andrei_> /dev/sda2            9328        9730     3227649    5  Extended
[21:06] <andrei_> /dev/sda5            9328        9730     3227648   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[21:06] <andrei_> looks like only one
[21:07] <stlsaint> andrei_: can you open the application gparted and get a screenshot of it and send it here
[21:07] <andrei_> let me install it
[21:09] <zkriesse> !pastebin > andrei_
[21:09] <ubot2> andrei_, please see my private message
[21:10] <andrei_> http://tinypic.com/r/29qmvdw/6
[21:12] <stlsaint> andrei_: the screenshot didnt show what is needed..can you please take a full shot of the window
[21:14] <andrei_> http://tinypic.com/r/24bqla0/6
[21:15] <stlsaint> andrei_: you do not have multiple installs
[21:16] <stlsaint> you have one root, one swap/extended
[21:17] <stlsaint> andrei_: if you are 100% sure that you have multiple entries than you need to edit that menu.lst to remove them
[21:17] <andrei_> ok then why grub shows like this: ubuntu ubuntu(recovery) ubuntu ubuntu(recovery) something_i_cant_remember win7
[21:17] <win_2_linux> updated kernel
[21:18] <andrei_> first one is display ok network not working and the other is the other way around
[21:18] <win_2_linux> it shows two kernels when the kernel is updated and two recovery kernels
[21:18] <stlsaint> andrei_: yes, you have done a kernel update and those multiple entries are different kernels
[21:18] <win_2_linux> i panicked when i saw that
[21:18] <andrei_> how do i fix this. im really going crazy
[21:18] <win_2_linux> and someone in here told me that
[21:19] <win_2_linux> isn't it for a good reason like if one kernel fails you have the other to fall back on
[21:19] <stlsaint> win_2_linux: for the most part yes
[21:19] <andrei_> im realy starting to hate it
[21:19] <andrei_> and my boss put me up to learn linux
[21:20] <andrei_> and i thought it's a great ideea
[21:20] <win_2_linux> well here is a starting point, if you can solve these problems then when and if it happens to someone else you will be an asset
[21:20] <win_2_linux> and tell a funny story
[21:20] <tre099> lol
[21:20] <andrei_> :( my linux was working fine until i wanted to repartition
[21:21] <andrei_> i want to shoot myself now
[21:21] <stlsaint> andrei_: andrei_ so you can agree that its not linux fault but user headspace!!?!?
[21:21] <win_2_linux> or an experiment in partitioning that went terribly wrong
[21:21] <stlsaint> andrei_: what distro are you running?
[21:21] <andrei_> can we get back on my subject pls
[21:21] <win_2_linux> a lesson learned and experience earned
[21:22] <andrei_> 10.04
[21:22] <stlsaint> andrei_: grub2 correct?
[21:22] <andrei_> umhum
[21:22] <stlsaint> andrei_: hopefully you havent been trying to revert back to legacy
[21:22] <andrei_> boss suggested centos but i read ubuntu is more user friendly
[21:23] <win_2_linux> why does your boss wnat you to learn linux?
[21:23] <andrei_> take over network
[21:23] <win_2_linux> ahhh is this a promotion for you
[21:23] <andrei_> if i can get it right
[21:23] <andrei_> i seem not been able to install properly so...
[21:24] <zkriesse> andrei_: ah new to linux eh?
[21:24] <win_2_linux> ok are there classes in your area
[21:24] <win_2_linux> so am i
[21:25] <win_2_linux> new to linux that is
[21:25] <andrei_> i dont know. there are a lot of docs on net i dont need a class. im self taught
[21:25] <andrei_> with the help of you guys xD
[21:26] <win_2_linux> well old new my first one was mandrake that installed beautifully and i used it for a couple of weeks then it broke and i couldn't fix it, it wouldn't reinstall ran back to windows and didn't look back until viruses ran amok
[21:26] <andrei_> i got fedora and kubuntu ready to be installed i just liked this one
[21:27] <win_2_linux> ya know even when my virus scans that were always updated, said there were no malwares on my machine, one popped up
[21:27] <andrei_> and centos
[21:27] <andrei_> i want this one
[21:27] <win_2_linux> does your boss know linux
[21:28] <andrei_> i assume he's running the faculty web site on one of the machines in my office
[21:28] <win_2_linux> i'm just as new as you are did a clean install on this laptop on friday
[21:29] <stlsaint> andrei_: i have not forgotten about you but the way i would fix this issue im not going to divulge due to you being new, no disrespect...just trying to look out for ya! :D
[21:29] <stlsaint> andrei_: so with that said i suggest you install a program called startup manager
[21:29] <stlsaint> andrei_: from there you should have a few options to edit some bootup displays
[21:29] <stlsaint> well not display but options
[21:29] <andrei_> cant i format my drive and install again?
[21:30] <andrei_> how do i format on live cd?
[21:30] <stlsaint> andrei_: you told me that you didnt want to do that!!!! >:|
[21:30] <andrei_> its getting on my nerves
[21:30] <andrei_> im not very pacient
[21:31] <stlsaint> andrei_: im trying to be but i need you to tell me what you want help with? what procedures are you loooking to take?
[21:31] <win_2_linux> theres a partition utility in administration
[21:31] <andrei_> lets talk about it for a minute
[21:31] <win_2_linux> diskutility
[21:32] <stlsaint> win_2_linux: yes i had him install gparted but you CANNOT format a mounted fs!
[21:32] <stlsaint> win_2_linux: thus it has to be done via livecd
[21:32] <win_2_linux> what about fdisk
[21:32] <stlsaint> win_2_linux: fdisk is a command!
[21:32] <win_2_linux> diskutility can erase and format the
[21:32]  * stlsaint facepalms at win_2_linux comments!!!!!
[21:32] <win_2_linux> and check the disk
[21:33] <win_2_linux> huh?
[21:33]  * stlsaint facepalms at win_2_linux comments!!!!! (again)
[21:33] <stlsaint> :P
[21:33]  * win_2_linux doesn't understand what facepalms meant
[21:33] <pedro3005> when you put your palm in your face
[21:34] <pedro3005> because something really stupid / silly just happened
[21:34] <tre099> sign of exasparation
[21:34] <stlsaint> win_2_linux: my dear fellow user, you CANNOT format a mounted fs. So yes the disk utility can format as needed but not while the user is booted!
[21:34]  * win_2_linux thinks its a rude gensture and says hmmmmf
[21:34] <tre099> lol@win
[21:34] <andrei_> i reinstalled ubuntu wiping my disk. booted ok not problem but couldnt get the network to run. i did all the setup and still nothing (dhcp router). then i had to go to work. i came back and the ideea to reset the router came in. so i shut it down and bring it back up. fire pc and let it boot alone while i get drinks. when i get back ubuntu is at login. log in and go to firefox surprize. internet connection. ubuntu tells me to update i say yes. then
[21:34] <andrei_> it tells me i need a driver for display. ok. now reboot. fail connection
[21:34] <win_2_linux> i understand that, i sugested from the livedc
[21:35] <win_2_linux> cd
[21:35]  * stlsaint thinks its rude for win_2_linux to suggest resolutions that can potential confuse the op or harm the op's system!
[21:35] <andrei_> so i tried booting the second ubuntu option witch is this one and network is fine but before login ubuntu tells me i dont have dispaly in kernel some thing like that and loads with ugly resolution
[21:35]  * win_2_linux was thinking with his windows thinking.....still haven't broken away
[21:36] <zkriesse> andrei_: dekstop?
[21:36] <stlsaint> andrei_: OK, lets get all this straight now.......
[21:36] <stlsaint> zkriesse: WAIT!
[21:36] <greenjon> all in good time, win_2_linux
[21:36] <zkriesse> stlsaint: ok
[21:36] <stlsaint> zkriesse: careful my friend...delicate situation! :D
[21:36] <zkriesse> stlsaint: i'll shut up
[21:36]  * stlsaint loves everyone....just wanted to through that out there!
[21:36] <zkriesse> throw too right?
[21:36] <andrei_> if you love me help me fix this
[21:37] <stlsaint> zkriesse: /s/through/throw
[21:37] <stlsaint> andrei_: i will
[21:37] <stlsaint> andrei_: then you can buy me dinner!
[21:37] <andrei_>  2 sixpack
[21:37] <stlsaint> andrei_: ok, even if you fresh install, those entries are going to return one you complete all your updates, so i say now that a re-install may/maynot fix your display issue...
[21:38] <stlsaint> andrei_: IF YOU WANT TO....there is nothing wrong with re-installing ubuntu
[21:38] <stlsaint> andrei_: once you re-install we can start fresh with the video card issue
[21:38] <stlsaint> andrei_: your going to need to edit your xorg.conf, tbh there may be someone here more qualified with X to help you than me but since i responded i will help the best i can
[21:39] <andrei_> well i never had this problem. my problems are with the network and im afraid if i reinstall it wont work again
[21:39] <stlsaint> andrei_: if its working now, and it works via livecd than it will work again
[21:39] <andrei_> live cd network doesent work usualy
[21:40] <andrei_> its this thing i dont know why but it only works on 10 speed
[21:40] <stlsaint> andrei_: ok, to test just boot to the livecd and try to get back here
[21:40]  * win_2_linux wishes someone in linux would solve the suspend hibernate issue with laptops sigh
[21:40] <andrei_> im telling you i wont be able to
[21:40] <stlsaint> win_2_linux: give more space to swap!
[21:40] <andrei_> ive tried
[21:40] <holstein> win_2_linux: suspend works great for me
[21:41] <andrei_> my nic or router is wierd and have to set speed to 10M linux or windows doesent matter
[21:41] <holstein> you should contact dell about that specific model
[21:41] <holstein> and ask for linux support
[21:41] <stlsaint> andrei_: what type of network card do you have?
[21:41] <andrei_> onboard nvidia
[21:41]  * win_2_linux laughs after what andrei did with repartitioning and having it not work afterwords...i think i
[21:41] <win_2_linux> oh i have a dell card
[21:42] <win_2_linux> broadcom i believe it uses
[21:42] <stlsaint> andrei_: no you dont have a nvidia nic!
[21:42] <stlsaint> andrei_: or at least i hope not! :D
[21:42] <tre099> lol
[21:42] <stlsaint> lol...i may need to post that in a certain site that host certain funny irc chats!! :D
[21:43] <andrei_> i dont know it says reatek but its actualy nvidia something like that
[21:43] <andrei_> i have a second nic lying around
[21:43] <stlsaint> tre099: =D
[21:43] <andrei_> suggest installing that?
[21:43] <stlsaint> andrei_: what type of lappy do you have?
[21:43] <andrei_> its asus
[21:43] <stlsaint> asus............
[21:44] <andrei_> no its a desktop pc. i have a second nic asus nx1001
[21:44] <stlsaint> whats the model of the desktop pc?
[21:44] <andrei_> but i removed it before installing linux
[21:44] <andrei_> model? its home made. asrockk10n78 mb
[21:46] <stlsaint> :|
[21:46] <andrei_> don;t give me that :(
[21:47] <stlsaint> andrei_: open a terminal my friend
[21:47] <andrei_> its on
[21:47] <stlsaint> andrei_: run the command: lspci | grep Wireless
[21:47] <stlsaint> and post the output here
[21:47] <andrei_> i dont know if it will work i dont have wirless
[21:47] <stlsaint> :|
[21:48] <andrei_> connection - wired
[21:50] <stlsaint> andrei_: run the command: lspci | grep Ethernet
[21:50] <andrei_> pastebin?
[21:50] <stlsaint> its only two lines, here is fine
[21:50] <andrei_> 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation MCP77 Ethernet (rev a2)
[21:51] <stlsaint> Whoa
[21:51] <stlsaint> i stand corrected...
[21:51] <stlsaint> shame on /me
[21:51] <andrei_> Should I get the roap ready?
[21:51] <stlsaint> andrei_: andrei_ do you have access to another machine
[21:52] <stlsaint> roap?
[21:52] <andrei_> Difficult at this time of night\
[21:52] <andrei_> What do you want to know
[21:53] <stlsaint> andrei_: if you have access to another machine than you can use that machine to get the driver for your desktop in the weird case that networking doesnt work after the re-install
[21:54] <andrei_> Well i never had to install a driver. Just make some set ups
[21:54] <andrei_> Remember i installed ubuntu 3 times
[21:55] <stlsaint> andrei_: well in that case you should be fine with a fresh install so we can tackle that video issue
[21:55] <stlsaint> starcraftman: si senor
[21:56] <andrei_> Well i never had that video issue I don;t knwo what was this all about.
[21:56] <andrei_> Hold on let me restart and see
[21:56] <stlsaint> andrei_: so your saying a fresh install should solve all your issues?
[21:57] <andrei_> i hope so. It worked once
[21:57] <andrei_> even my soundcard problems :p
[21:57] <andrei_> brb hope
[21:58] <tre099> anyone know much about klam antivirus?
[21:59] <duanedesign> mcp77 is the same ethernet i have.
[22:00] <duanedesign> should work out of the box
[22:00] <duanedesign> tre099: the most popular are clam and AVG
[22:02] <tre099> im doing a scan for the first time and its reporting files as problem, heuristics.broken.executable, but its in files i know are ok, any idea what it means?
[22:02] <stlsaint> duanedesign: thats what i was thinking but the user seemed adimit that it would work
[22:02] <stlsaint> tre099: could be false positives
[22:03] <stlsaint> that sure is a long reboot.....
[22:03] <stlsaint> think ill go get myself a snack....
[22:04] <tre099> ok stlsaint:  thats what i thought, but im new to this so just wanted reassurance lol
[22:04] <duanedesign> tre099: http://www.mepislovers.org/forums/showthread.php?p=234621
[22:04] <greenjon> tre099: you're not alone. i just installed that 2 days ago. quite different to get used to
[22:05] <stlsaint> tre099: with it being an exe im assuming its for windows meaning its suppose to give false positives :D
[22:05] <duanedesign> tre099: looks like they are ok
[22:06] <tre099> thanks duanedesign
[22:08] <tre099> is klamav worth using or is there better ones available?
[22:10] <greenjon> that's the one i've seen that's most recommended
[22:10] <greenjon> but i haven't researched it too much
[22:10] <tre099> ok cool thanks
[22:10] <greenjon> np
[22:10] <holder> Is there a way to keep my computer from going to sleep? Transmission seems to slow/stop seeding when it does.
[22:11] <tre099> system then powermanagement should do it  i think
[22:11] <greenjon> beat me to it, tre099 lol
[22:12] <tre099> lol im waiting for someone who knows what they are doing to tell me its wrong
[22:12] <greenjon> that's why i usually stay silent
[22:13] <greenjon> i prefer to see what everyone else is talking about and learn from it instead of attempting to help most people
[22:13] <greenjon> don't like being wrong and i'm definitely not an ubuntu pro
[22:13] <greenjon> :P
[22:14] <tre099> this is my first time in here, only had ubuntu a few days
[22:15] <greenjon> cool. i've been using it for awhile off and on, but haven't totally taken the time to learn it until recently
[22:15] <greenjon> hoping i can focus and just get really good at it so i can dump windows
[22:17] <tre099> i been trying for years to get into it but just not had the time once i hit a problem like nic card not recognised, but i gave it another go and so glad i did
[22:17] <greenjon> ya can be a difficult process, but well worth it
[22:18] <stlsaint> tre099: your wrong :D
[22:18] <tre099> thankfully this distro had everything i need in it already so i could just start using it with out any messing
[22:18] <greenjon> lol
[22:18] <tre099> ty stlsaint
[22:19] <stlsaint> greenjon: stay here and in the forums and you will learn ubuntu VERY fast
[22:19] <greenjon> i think i like the feel of this chan more than #ubuntu. too much question asking in there to follow and learn easily
[22:20] <greenjon> stlsaint: i definitely plan to. been a little lax on going to the forums and posting though
[22:20] <stlsaint> greenjon: hehe, yea those forums are a pool of info to learn from
[22:20] <stlsaint> greenjon: and i agree, i use to be in #ubuntu but it got way to annoying...
[22:20] <greenjon> :P
[22:21] <stlsaint> most will atest to that
[22:21] <greenjon> stlsaint: i think i've seen you on the forums quite a bit with a lot of posts. am i correct?
[22:22] <greenjon> just one of those nicks that stick out. maybe posting style on the forums too
[22:22] <stlsaint> greenjon: yea i have a good number of post on there,
[22:22] <greenjon> stlsaint: well, it's good to meet you
[22:22] <stlsaint> greenjon: aye,
[22:23] <stlsaint> lol..think ill head to the forums now :D
[22:23] <greenjon> lol
[22:23] <stlsaint> someone ping me when andrei_ comes back
[22:23] <tre099> if
[22:23] <tre099> lol
[22:23] <greenjon> k
[22:23] <greenjon> hehe
[22:23] <greenjon> that was a really long reboot
[22:24] <stlsaint> yea thats what i been saying
[22:24] <tre099> must be like being back on xp
[22:24] <tre099> lol
[22:24] <stlsaint> greenjon: i mostly stick to threads that have 0-2 post on it....i hate when new users post and non one helps then the user goes back to windows
[22:24] <stlsaint> defeats the whole purpose of support forum!
[22:25] <greenjon> stlsaint: i've seen way too many posts go unanswered on there
[22:25] <stlsaint> greenjon: we have a unanswered-post team :D
[22:25] <greenjon> just the other day i was googling and found some posts on the forums that looked relevant to my search, but ended up not having solutions
[22:25] <greenjon> lol
[22:27] <stlsaint> yea that sucks
[22:27] <greenjon> stlsaint: is there really a team like that?
[22:27] <stlsaint> greenjon: yep, im part of it =D
[22:27] <greenjon> that's great
[22:28] <greenjon> that's one heck of a job too
[22:28] <greenjon> hehe
[22:28] <tre099> lol
[22:29] <zkriesse> greenjon: it's #ubuntuforums-unanswered
[22:29] <stlsaint> greenjon: see...post like this that goes unanswered that make me mad....its simple as crap yet no one gets to it!
[22:29] <stlsaint> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9518700#post9518700
[22:30] <stlsaint> granted its only been up for 30 mins :D
[22:30] <stlsaint> BUT STILL ITS UNANSWERED!! LOL
[22:30] <greenjon> lol
[22:30]  * stlsaint goes all green....
[22:30] <tre099> lol
[22:31]  * ibuclaw throws a tin of purple paint over stlsaint 
[22:31] <greenjon> nice avatar on the forums
[22:31] <greenjon> :D
[22:31] <stlsaint> hehe, like that eh! ive had that little guy since i first came to ubuntu
[22:33] <greenjon> that thing is awesome
[22:34]  * zkriesse says hi to greenjon and tre099 
[22:34] <greenjon> hello zkriesse
[22:34] <tre099> hi zkriesse
[22:35] <greenjon> how goes it?
[22:35] <zkriesse> it goes
[22:35] <zkriesse> pushing bug fixes for the Ubuntu Manual and doing wiki work
[22:36] <tre099> are you part of the bug squad?
[22:36] <holder> I downloaded p7zip but I don't know how to use it. How do I unzip rar's?
[22:39] <tre099> i think you need to open terminal and enter sudo apt-get install unrar
[22:39] <win_2_linux> i have a question with that p7zip doesn't linux have that built in?
[22:40] <tre099> not sure
[22:41] <stlsaint> with what?
[22:41] <stlsaint> win_2_linux: just use zip!?!?
[22:42] <win_2_linux> thought so thats why I don't bother dl all these other gadgets that one had to for win
[22:43] <stlsaint> win_2_linux: zip is in the repos...
[22:43] <win_2_linux> i think i have it unstalld because I needed it for something that i wanted to install and someone on here told me to do that
[22:43] <holder> Alright how do I use unrar?
[22:44] <zkriesse> tre099: No..the ubuntu manual is entirely different
[22:45] <tre099> ok zkriesse
[22:45] <win_2_linux> there's an ubuntu manual or are you talking about the manual pages or the website
[22:45] <win_2_linux> I have the ubuntu bible LOL
[22:45] <zkriesse> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[22:45] <zkriesse> http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[22:46] <stlsaint> holder: get a rar file and UNRAR it ;)
[22:46] <stlsaint> OR RAR an UNRAR"ED file :D
[22:46] <stlsaint> doesnt get much easier than that mate! :D
[22:46] <greenjon> lol
[22:47] <stlsaint> hehe
[22:48] <tre099> right time to cal it quits for today. good to meet ya all
[22:48] <holder> My friends, there is no unrar option, and when I type "unrar" as a custom option nothing happens. When I go back and right click and open with unrar, nothing happens.
[22:49] <tre099> nite all
[22:49] <stlsaint> nite
[22:50] <stlsaint> holder: you can view the manual page of unrar...its probably a command based app
[22:50] <stlsaint> holder: also why did you choose to go with rar?
[22:52] <holder> Ahhh, well, my private tracker is made up of mostly rar's
[22:52] <stlsaint> i installed winrar via wine before
[22:53] <drubin> rar works perfectly find on ubuntu
[22:53] <drubin> and you can use the GUI.
[22:54] <drubin> holder: Do you still need a hand :)?
[22:55] <stlsaint> drubin: OHAI
[22:55] <drubin> hey stlsaint :)
[22:56] <holder> drubin: I'm trying to work out the proper command. Any help would be appreciated.
[22:56] <drubin> holder: Do you have a GUI desktop because you can simply right click else I will help with the command if you still need it
[22:57] <drubin> but it should be unrar -x filename.rar
[22:59] <holder> drubin: I have a gooey desktop
[22:59] <stlsaint> drubin: the op told me that they didnt have a option in gui
[22:59] <stlsaint> drubin: thus i went cli
[22:59] <stlsaint> my fault i guess
[23:00] <drubin> holder: then simply right click extract (provided you have rar and unrar installed)
[23:00] <stlsaint> aveilleux: ohai, my i pm you
[23:00] <drubin> stlsaint: No worries, I don't read every thing I just ask when I am around
[23:01] <stlsaint> drubin: how ya been?
[23:01] <aveilleux> stlsaint: Go for it
[23:01] <holder> LOLWOW, I feel so dumb. Many thanks everyone.
[23:01] <drubin> holder: No worries
[23:03] <stlsaint> sure sure
[23:13] <greenjon> so i'm on UNE 10.04 and when i logged in, a message popped up that said wicd needed access to my network cards and it needed my password. never had this happen before. do you guys know why?
[23:13] <stlsaint> greenjon: it happens everynow and then
[23:14] <stlsaint> well at least for me...but i dont run UNE
[23:14] <greenjon> hmm
[23:14] <greenjon> that never even happened when i was using UNR 9.10
[23:15] <greenjon> strange stuff
[23:15] <greenjon> good to know it's nothing to worry about
[23:17] <greenjon> ty stlsaint
[23:19] <Saky> hi all
[23:19] <greenjon> hello Saky
[23:19] <zkriesse> hello Saky
[23:21] <Saky> well...i am new to linux...just installed ubuntu 10.04 on some old pc and have one question...if its ok?! :)
[23:22] <holstein> go for it :)
[23:22] <greenjon> that's what this channel is for. ask away, Saky :)
[23:22] <win_2_linux> thats ok there are other brand new people here like me who just installed it clean install on friday
[23:23] <Saky> ok...here we go hehe...
[23:25] <Saky> this pc has some old nvidia card...geforce 4 mx agp...working good so far...but question is will I gain some performance if I enable agp fast writes??
[23:25] <Saky> i know...not muc to expect from card anyway hehe
[23:25] <holstein> if your trying to speed up your experience on on older machine
[23:26] <holstein> i would suggest looking into LXDE
[23:26] <holstein> http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Lubuntu-Screenshot-50492.html
[23:26] <holstein> or xubuntu
[23:26] <holstein> XFCE
[23:26] <holstein> you can install these however you install packages
[23:26] <stlsaint> holstein: the discussion seems to be more so on video performance...
[23:27] <stlsaint> not necessarily pc performance
[23:27] <Saky> sort of....just like to tweak things hehe...compiz effects work pretty good as is with nvidia 96 drivers...just want to squezze few mor fps out LOL
[23:28] <stlsaint> Saky: am i correct or are you looking for what holstein is suggesting?
[23:28] <steelsteve> what is the firefox choose user terminal command?
[23:28] <win_2_linux> is a good idea to rehab and old machine i thought of that, and dragged an old machine out of hte closet, it booted once realized it was very old, only 64 ram and 13 gigl hard drive but after the first boot, when i went to restart after updated from windows updates and rebooted it wouldn't come on, it died
[23:28] <stlsaint> win_2_linux: thats cuz you said old/windows
[23:28] <win_2_linux> it had xp on it
[23:29] <steelsteve> what is the firefox choose user terminal command? erm, stlsaint?
[23:29] <holstein> just a suggestion, if you havnet looked into some of the lighter environments
[23:30] <stlsaint> steelsteve: si senor
[23:30] <stlsaint> holstein: a good one might i add in certain situations ;)
[23:30] <steelsteve> stop it you're from st. louis
[23:30] <holstein> stlsaint: :)
[23:30] <Saky> on this pc ubuntu works pretty well so far...faster then xp...specs are...athlon xp 2000+ 768Mb ram SB live 5.1...so far so good
[23:30] <stlsaint> steelsteve: LOL
[23:31] <steelsteve> do you know, off hand, the terminal command to choose users in firefox BEFORE it opens?
[23:31] <stlsaint> Saky: out of the DE, yes gnome is the hungriest for resources
[23:31] <stlsaint> Saky: but that seems to not be an issue
[23:31] <stlsaint> steelsteve: what do you mean users?
[23:31] <holstein> yeah, not with those specs
[23:32] <Saky> just want to know if will gain some more performance if I enable fastwrite with this old agp card?
[23:32] <stlsaint> steelsteve: you mean the user_agent?
[23:32] <steelsteve> erm
[23:32] <steelsteve> no?
[23:32] <drubin> steelsteve: firefox -ProfileManger
[23:32] <steelsteve> yes
[23:32] <stlsaint> drubin: aye
[23:32] <drubin> stlsaint: or simply firefox -h normally returns list of commands
[23:33] <drubin> tab fail
[23:33] <steelsteve> thanks drubin
[23:33] <drubin> steelsteve: pleasure
[23:33] <stlsaint> drubin: could you use the -P switch for profile
[23:33] <stlsaint> ?
[23:33]  * drubin feels on top form
[23:33] <drubin> stlsaint: ye he means that but with the GUI to list profiles
[23:33] <steelsteve> it's right
[23:34] <stlsaint> steelsteve: actually drubin is smarter than i ...i suggest directing future questions his way!
[23:34] <steelsteve> I only saw the guy who was answering questions
[23:34] <steelsteve> I didn't know he was watching
[23:34] <stlsaint> steelsteve: yea thats his ploy to sneak in and out...just ping him as soon as you enter the room and he will answer...he cant help but to answer users in need of help! its in his DNA!!!
[23:35] <zkriesse> hey steelsteve
[23:35]  * steelsteve looks at the DNA map
[23:35] <zkriesse> stlsaint: you plan on helping wiki?
[23:35] <steelsteve> I don't see it
[23:35] <stlsaint> zkriesse: TRAITOR!!!
[23:35] <stlsaint> steelsteve: trust me!! ITS THERE!!
[23:35] <zkriesse> stlsaint: if so add #ubuntu-beginners-wiki to your auto join
[23:35] <steelsteve> :p
[23:35] <zkriesse> stlsaint: how am i a traitor?
[23:36] <stlsaint> zkriesse: touche, i kep meaning too...i will
[23:36] <stlsaint> zkriesse: i dunno...i just have to yell it every now and then....
[23:36] <zkriesse> lol
[23:36] <zkriesse> stlsaint: there is no keeping up with you
[23:36] <stlsaint> drubin: thats right, you cant hide now...i put your secret in the public
[23:36] <stlsaint> zkriesse: thats the way i like it
[23:37] <stlsaint> steelsteve: actually i can give you a magnificent list of names of personnel who are in here who are smarter than i that i suggest pining!
[23:37] <stlsaint> darn it
[23:37] <stlsaint> zkriesse: brb
[23:39] <Saky> off I go to tweak some more stuff....tnx all...good to know there is always someone that can help :) Im pretty sure Ill come back here he he....greetz all!!
[23:40] <stlsaint> drubin: ping
[23:41] <drubin> stlsaint: Pong
[23:41] <drubin> stlsaint: why do you sell your self short?
[23:41] <drubin> 06/28 00:37:09    +stlsaint | steelsteve: actually i can give you a magnificent list of names of personnel who are in here who are smarter than i that i suggest pining!
[23:42] <stlsaint> drubin: aye, just checking ya
[23:42] <drubin> hehe
[23:42] <stlsaint> drubin: trust trying to get as much participation as i can in here! =D
[23:43] <stlsaint> drubin: its not selling myself short. If i were to say for instance that pedro3005 is smarter than me then YES i will be selling myself short! :D
[23:43] <pedro3005> huh?
[23:43] <pedro3005> was that an insult? >:(
[23:43] <Vantrax> lol
[23:43] <stlsaint> drubin: or better yet mohi2911 smarter than me will be REALLY selling short!!
[23:44] <stlsaint> pedro3005: ohai, no no my friend merely exchanging words !!
[23:44] <stlsaint> all is well
[23:44] <drubin> stlsaint: Don't insult others.
[23:44] <drubin> stlsaint: ye but don't think of people in terms of smartness
[23:44] <stlsaint> drubin: i dont...
[23:44] <drubin> there will always be people smarter then you and always people that think you are smarter then them
[23:45] <stlsaint> drubin: touche,
[23:45] <drubin> it is just about what you are talking about at the time and who you are talking to.
[23:45] <drubin> and generally i don
[23:45] <drubin> don't answer if I don't know the answer, hence looking smart :)
[23:45] <drubin> stlsaint: hehe not touche :)
[23:45] <drubin> just trying to be possitive
[23:45] <stlsaint> drubin: thats why i choose pedro3005 to pick on cause he can code circles around me but im probably more experience in server work, plus i like to pick on him! =D
[23:46] <drubin> ah ok
[23:46] <pedro3005> lol, like I know how to code
[23:46] <stlsaint> pedro3005: lol
[23:46] <stlsaint> pedro3005: CODER ALERT!!
[23:47] <pedro3005> stlsaint, I'm still learning my a b C.. get it?
[23:47] <stlsaint> hehe
[23:47] <pedro3005> not good with puns, as you see
[23:47]  * drubin is ruby fanboi at the momment
[23:48] <stlsaint> drubin: im right behind ya...i have been checking out ruby lately and i like the simple syntax of it
[23:48] <drubin> simple it is not....
[23:48] <drubin> python IMHO has a simpler syntax ruby as a million ways to do every thing :)
[23:49] <drubin> but I seem to be enjoying RoR ruby on rails
[23:49] <drubin> hence liking ruby
[23:49] <pedro3005> I'm trying to learn C...
[23:49] <stlsaint> drubin: i agree
[23:49] <drubin> any how I need to be off, it is late.
[23:49] <stlsaint> pedro3005: NOBODY CARES ABOUT c!!!
[23:49] <drubin> gnite.
[23:49] <pedro3005> good were the days where I could just get a god damn line and not worry about it
[23:49] <stlsaint> drubin: l8er
[23:50] <stlsaint> dangit...talking with drub i forgot what the original question was!
[23:56] <stlsaint> pedro3005: check it
[23:56] <stlsaint> pedro3005: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Programming/Python?action=show&redirect=WelcomeToPython
[23:56] <stlsaint> pedro3005: this should be fun to update (hasnt been touched since 2008)
[23:57] <pedro3005> stlsaint, do you want my opinion? delete that page
[23:57] <pedro3005> it's useless
[23:57] <stlsaint> pedro3005: i thought the same but id hate to delte someones work, but two years is along time to not even be looked at...im not quite sure what it was even being used for...its not even a good beginners tut!?!?
[23:58] <stlsaint> s/delte/delete
[23:58] <pedro3005> lol not at all. there are much better tutorials only one google away
[23:58] <greenjon> i concur on that point. looking at that page will not help me learn it
[23:58] <greenjon> which i have been looking into as of late :)