[00:18] <lex79> someone can upload kipi-plugins from bzr? thanks
[00:23] <Riddell> debfx: yes we managed to get upstream to give us a tar, but I think it only affects packages in universe so it's not a priority for me and I'm happy to let fabo do it and sync from debian
[00:30] <Riddell> so time for a sneaky 4.4.90 upload to maverick?
[00:42] <lex79> I think so :)
[01:10] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1143498 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs) Split the installed files tab off into its own class.
[01:15] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1143499 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Move the .ui file for the Main detail tab to DetailsTabs/
[01:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how come all the files from packages you've done are chmod +x ?
[01:17] <Riddell> something up with your filesystem?
[01:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: also you forgot to commit kdegames to bzr, I'll do that now
[01:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please try uploading 4.4.90 backwards again.  It takes a bit longer to build, but it seems fewer FTBFS.
[01:45] <Riddell> ScottK: ok
[01:46] <ScottK> Thanks.
[02:51] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1143507 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs) Start work on the Technical Details tab. It now displays version/size information. It's still very rough, and this is just an initial commit
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopjd1472-jpg.jpg
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> Partially why I used a QScrollArea :P http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopgd1472-jpg.jpg
[03:12] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1143512 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (example/qapttest.cpp src/package.cpp src/package.h) (log message trimmed)
[03:12] <CIA-99> I failed to realize that I'd need a method for both the installed size of the
[03:12] <CIA-99> current package as well as the newest available version's installed size. Rename
[03:15] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1143515 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/TechnicalDetailsTab.cpp Update for new LibQApt API. Also use the new availableDownloadSize() method to show the installed size for not-installed packages in the tech details tab
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> *the new availableInstallSize() method
[03:24] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1143519 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/ (TechnicalDetailsTab.cpp TechnicalDetailsTab.h) Hide/show the "Installed Version" details box if the package is indeed not installed
[04:27] <DarthFrog> Hi folks,  I need a bit of guidance about whether to file a bug report or not.  In a nutshell, I've just done a dist-upgrade and am running KDE 4.5 RC1.  The  problem is in Amarok (v. 2.3 running under KDE 4.4.2 it says).  It segfaults when I double-click on a playlist item.  I went through the bug reporting process, with backtrace, and found this behaviour had already been reported.  The bug report had been closed as having been 
[04:27] <DarthFrog> fixed.  Do I file a new report saying, no it hasn't? Or do I wait for a new release of Amarok?
[04:28] <DarthFrog> The issue has been with me ever since I started running the beta of Kubuntu KDE 4.5.
[04:33] <ScottK> Did the bug report say how it had been fixed?
[04:33] <ScottK> DarthFrog: I assume you are on Lucid?
[04:33] <DarthFrog> No, only that it had been fixed.  yes, Lucid.
[04:33] <ScottK> It may be that Amarok needs to be recompiled to work with the newer KDE.
[04:33] <DarthFrog> OK, so I'll wait then.
[04:34] <DarthFrog> It was intimated that the problem was with the newer Qt.
[04:34] <ScottK> lex79 or JontheEchidna: Do you know?
[04:34] <ScottK> Ah.  You also have the Qt 4.7 beta then.
[04:34] <DarthFrog> No idea.  Did it come with the RC of 4.5?
[04:34] <ScottK> No idea on Lucid.  I've ben focused on Maverick.
[04:35] <ScottK> I think those most likely to know are probably sleeping.
[04:35] <ScottK> I'd try again in 6 - 12 hours.
[04:35] <DarthFrog> :-)  A biological necessity.   but it sure wastes a lot of time.
[04:36] <maco> whats the date it was marked as fixed
[04:36] <DarthFrog> I didn't notice and the window is closed.
[04:36] <maco> if it was months ago, then "no it hasnt" could be valid, but if it was a day or two ago, then it probably just isnt packaged yet
[04:37] <DarthFrog> OK, I'll check the date the next time Amarok crashes.  Which is very repeatable.
[04:37] <ScottK> maco: It may also be it's fixed in Maverick, but Lucid PPA wasn't updated.
[04:39] <DarthFrog> The reason I'm hesitating is that the message was the bug has been closed, marked fixed and that I'd be wasting the devs time to report it.  Kinda struck me as ... discouraging feedback.
[04:41] <DarthFrog> Hmm, Alt-F2 for krunner and F12 for yakuake still aren't working. :-(
[04:42] <DarthFrog> ps aux says they both are running.  Strange.
[04:44] <DarthFrog> And clicking on "Show Application Window" in System Activity does nothing for either.
[04:46] <CIA-99> [messages] alvarenga * 1143536 * trunk/l10n-kde4/pt_BR/messages/ (8 files in 6 dirs) [KDE-pt_BR]
[06:19] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks like everying hit depwait on i386, amd64, powerpc, and armel.  So it should go ~smoothly.  I checked and all the packages are there.  Thanks.
[09:06] <jussi> did we get a new kdeversion in beta ppa? :D
[09:06]  * jussi dances
[09:09] <Quintasan|Szel> \o
[09:12] <Quintasan|Szel> lex79: about the packages you asked, yes, I do have them installed and I can easily install dbg packages too
[09:23] <Riddell> jussi: RC 1 probably, testing needed
[09:41] <jussi> Riddell: installing now :)
[09:41] <jussi> Riddell: its all ready to go? all packages copied over etc?
[09:45] <Riddell> I don't know, I've not looked at it, I'm looking at maverick for now
[09:46] <Tm_T> oh, right, trunk is open
[09:46]  * Tm_T just loves this flu
[10:06] <Riddell> NCommander, agateau: did you schedule your akademy bofs?
[10:07] <agateau> Riddell: nope :(
[10:07] <Riddell> agateau: are you going to?
[10:07] <agateau> Riddell: I guess I should
[10:07]  * agateau adds it to its TODO for today
[10:11] <jussi> Riddell: Im looking forward to your visit
[10:19] <jussi> Riddell: do you know where I c an find the changelog beta -> rc1?
[10:19] <jussi> also, Im really glad the folderview works now :=D
[10:21] <NCommander> Riddell: ememoryfailure >.>;
[10:22] <NCommander> Riddell: I even forgot what I was BoFing about
[10:27] <Riddell> NCommander: ARM!
[10:28] <Riddell> jussi: somewhere on http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.5-rc1.php ?
[10:28] <jussi> Riddell: thanks!
[10:38] <Riddell> jussi: it's going to be a long day of travelling on Thursday, you may have to ensure I don't collapse in the sauna
[10:38] <Riddell> I hear that's dangerous
[10:39] <jussi> Riddell: no problems. sauna is very relaxing, and Ill have the bedroom set up for you. 
[10:39] <jussi> hehe
[10:39] <jussi> I thinking whether I should make a vihta for the sauna. what do you think Tm_T? :D
[10:40] <Riddell> jussi: bedroom?  but it's 24 hour sunlight, I thought nobody goes to bed until winter!
[10:40] <Tm_T> jussi: sure
[10:40] <Tm_T> jussi: or vasta
[10:40] <jussi> Tm_T: ihan sama :P
[10:41] <jussi> Riddell: well, we take naps occaisionally
[10:41] <jussi> :D
[12:03] <Riddell> yay, blur effect finally works in 4.4.90
[12:04] <jussi> blur effect?
[12:05] <jussi> Im just happy the quickaccess plasmoid works again :D
[12:07] <jussi> ok, perhaps this needs to go upstream, but having kinfocentre and hardware drivers next to each other in the menu is really confusing, due to their almost same ikons...
[12:08] <jussi> awww, blur doesnt work for me...
[12:08] <Riddell> hardware drivers is an ubuntu thing and I expect we just picked an oxygen icon which looked suitable
[12:09] <jussi> yeah, the icon is great, its just theat its the same icon as kinfocentre except kinfocenter has a blue circle with a white !
[12:09] <Riddell> time to show us your inkscape skills jussi :)
[12:09] <jussi> Riddell: cant we just change the order?
[12:10] <Riddell> it's alphabetical
[12:10] <Tm_T> we need driver/jockey sitting in top of some symbol there
[12:10] <Riddell> we could use the icon from kolf :)
[12:11] <jussi> http://imagebin.ca/view/5U6zZRQY.html
[12:11] <Riddell> hum, so kontact from lucid beta PPA fails because I have kontact 4.4.5 from staging and that's compiled against the old kdepimlibs which isn't split out
[12:12] <jussi> sigh.. I have a decent graphics card, but I still cant get desktop effects at a decent speed, no matter what I do. 
[12:13] <jussi> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M76 [Radeon Mobility HD 2600 Series]
[12:22] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1143625 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/TechnicalDetailsTab.cpp Add a spacer widget to the "Installed Version" groupbox layout to ensure that its items maintain horizontal alignment with the "Available Version" groupbox's items
[12:32] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: hiya
[12:45] <Riddell> I'm going to upload kdepim-runtie and kdepim 4.4.5 to beta PPA else staging/updates will have a higher version number
[13:15] <keepitsimple> is KDE 4.5 RC1 already packaged for Kubuntu?
[13:16] <keepitsimple> oh, nevermind I think I found what I was looking for: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages
[13:19] <Riddell> keepitsimple: it's not well tested, let us know how you get on
[13:57] <Riddell> a|wen: thanks for doing 4.4.5, it's looking good
[13:57] <Riddell> what does "ubuntu4.1 ok " mean?
[13:57] <gorgonizer> Riddell: since the upgrade to RC 1, plasma-desktop memory usage has decreased dramatically, and all seems to be working very well so far.. :)  Very impressed, thanks to all you guys for all the effort :)
[13:58] <Riddell> gorgonizer: on maverick or lucid?
[13:58] <gorgonizer> Riddell: on Lucid, have yet to upgrade my Maverick VM as of yet :)
[13:58] <a|wen> Riddell: jup, it is indeed looking good :) ... i've looked through lucid-updates, and checked that all changes/patches from there is in our 4.4.5 packages (so that is the ubuntu4.1 package from lucid-updates that has been checked)
[13:59] <Riddell> a|wen: groovy
[13:59] <a|wen> Riddell: first step of getting them ready to go to lucid-updates themselves ;)
[14:02] <Riddell> mm, I still need to do the upstream kde policy to get that allowed
[14:06] <ghostcube> o/
[14:06] <ghostcube> 4.5. rc1 in ppa buildin :) ?
[14:06] <ghostcube> oh just ssen the post about
[14:07] <ghostcube> nm
[14:07] <ghostcube> ;)#
[14:07] <Riddell> ghostcube: what post?
 is KDE 4.5 RC1 already packaged for Kubuntu?
 oh, nevermind I think I found what I was looking for: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages
[14:08] <ghostcube> :)
[14:11] <agateau> Riddell: Hi. Is it still possible to update dbusmenu-qt and plasma-widget-menubar in alpha2?
[14:12] <Riddell> agateau: yes should be (we don't have a release manager so there's no freeze :)
[14:12] <agateau> Riddell: good :)
[14:12]  * agateau goes tarballing then
[14:41] <keepitsimple> I can't install all the updates from KDE 4.5 RC1 because they're not for some reason on the servers (mirrors). KPackageKit blocks them for the reason that some dependencies are missing i.e not found on the mirror server
[14:41] <keepitsimple> any mirror already updated?
[14:43] <keepitsimple> I'm interested only in KDE packages and don't want to fully upgrade to the next version using apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:43] <Riddell> keepitsimple: in maverick or lucid?
[14:44] <keepitsimple> Lucid
[14:44] <ulysses> apt-get dist-upgrade *don't* upgrade the system to Maverick
[14:44] <Riddell> keepitsimple: from KDE 4.4 or 4.5 beta?
[14:44] <keepitsimple> from KDE 4.4.4 to KDE 4.5 RC 1 aka KDE 4.4.90
[14:45] <Riddell> yes it needs to be an apt-get dist-upgrade, all the library transitions mean a plain upgrade won't do anything except get confused
[14:46] <Riddell> keepitsimple: and Umbrello isn't dead but it does have almost no developers
[14:48] <keepitsimple> Riddell: oh, ok thanks for that piece of information; I was asking that because I'm interested in this project and maybe I'll do something
[14:51] <Riddell> keepitsimple: there's a 3/4 finished port to qt 4's qgraphicsview that was done by a google summer of code student a couple of years ago and it needs someone to pick it up and finish it off
[14:56] <ScottK> What time is the meeting?
[14:58] <a|wen> ScottK: 17:30 UTC
[14:58] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:58]  * a|wen will probably be a little late for the meeting
[14:59]  * ScottK had something come up today, but that will be fine (was afraid it was an hour earlier)
[15:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: meh.. thats the stupid NTFS file system.. everything gets +x , i fixed it my bzr for some packages,but lex then did dget -xu for the ones i didnt upload to bzr,must be due to that
[15:13] <Riddell> topic says 18:00UTC for meeting not 17:30
[15:13] <ScottK> Riddell: That's the tutorials day.
[15:14] <Riddell> hmm, I do need glasses
[15:14]  * shadeslayer is back home after a very very long day...
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> agateau: ping
[15:19] <agateau> JontheEchidna: pong
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> agateau: Hi, I have a QAction inside a KMenu that is assigned to a StatusNotifierItem.
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> agateau: But when I do action->setIcon(QPixmap), the icon wont' show up
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> setIcon(KIcon) works
[15:20] <agateau> JontheEchidna: yes, there is no support for dynamic icons for now :/
[15:20] <agateau> JontheEchidna: you need to use icons from disk
[15:21] <agateau> JontheEchidna: why do you want to use a pixmap?
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> I get passed one. I suppose I could look in to changing the class
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> void Event::show(const QPixmap &icon, const QString &text, const QStringList &actions)
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> ^That class was just showing a KNotification, but I'm expanding it to optionally have a KNotification, and have a KStatusNOtifierItem
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopqz1472-jpg.jpg
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> WIP
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> So I am doing this:
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> connect(m_notifierItem, SIGNAL(activateRequested(bool, const QPoint &)), this, SLOT(run()));
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> but clicking the notifieritem still activates the context menu :(
[15:28] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: the Kickoff icon is nice:)
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: shtylman gave it to me at UDS :D
[15:29] <ulysses> it should be the default:)
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> agateau: would you happen to know if there's some magic to get the above signal working and not activating the context menu?
[15:32] <agateau> JontheEchidna: mmm, it should work already?
[15:32]  * agateau reads KSNI API
[15:33]  * JontheEchidna too
[15:34] <agateau> JontheEchidna: did you by chance call KSNI::setAssociatedWidget(menu) where menu is the context menu?
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> agateau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/456414/ nope
[15:36] <agateau> JontheEchidna: why do you add all actions twice?
[15:37] <agateau> (not sure it's related, but it's weird)
[15:37] <agateau> oh, maybe "actions" is not a list of action :/
[15:38] <agateau> of QActions I mean
[15:39] <jtechidna> blegh, wifi cut out
[15:39] <jtechidna> [10:34:18] <agateau> JontheEchidna: did you by chance call KSNI::setAssociatedWidget(menu) where menu is the context menu?
[15:39] <jtechidna> [10:34:46] <JontheEchidna> agateau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/456414/ nope
[15:39]  * JontheEchidna is wired now ;)
[15:39] <agateau> so I was saying:
[15:39] <agateau> JontheEchidna: why do you add all actions twice?
[15:39] <agateau> oh, maybe "actions" is not a list of QAction
[15:40]  * shadeslayer goes and watches Attack of the clones
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> the subclasses pass us a list of qstrings to be the text for those actions
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> agateau: here's the whole function: http://paste.ubuntu.com/456417/
[15:43] <agateau> JontheEchidna: ok, makes more sense :)
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> the KNotification part was really elegant, too....
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> KStatusNotifierItem is a bit complicated :(
[15:45]  * agateau is in irc meeting bbiab
[15:52] <kim___> hi everyone... I would like to contribute with documentation. How do I do that?
[15:53] <Riddell> hi kim___!
[15:53] <shadeslayer> kim___: \o
[15:53] <kim___> hello :)
[15:53] <Riddell> nixternal is usually the man for docs although he doesn't seem to be around today
[15:53] <shadeslayer> kim___: start with kubuntu specific topics in help.ubuntu.com
[15:53] <shadeslayer> thats the easiest
[15:54] <kim___> okay... I almost feel like I am betraying Kubuntu when browsing around bigbrother Ubuntu
[15:54] <shadeslayer> see what needs updating 
[15:54] <kim___> :)
[15:54] <jjesse> kim___ you interested in docs?
[15:54] <kim___> yes
[15:54]  * jjesse ears perk up
[15:55] <shadeslayer> jjesse: me too.. but i was waiting for help.kubuntu.org :P
[15:55] <jjesse> so shadeslayer mentioned the first thing to do
[15:55] <jjesse> shadeslayer wans't ryanakca working on it?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> jjesse: yes.. but idk the status
[15:55] <jjesse> ping ryanakca on help.kubutnu.org
[15:56] <shadeslayer> kim___: many of the apps have screenshots from KDE 3 environs and old instructions,think you can tidy them up?
[15:56] <jjesse> if either of you find typos, grammer problems or things that are wrong in the current lucid docs please create bugs on launchpad
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> agateau: weirdly enough, it sorta works if you set the associated widget to the context menu. (It activates the slot, but also makes the menu pop up at 0,0)
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> :s
[15:57] <shadeslayer> jjesse: cant he just update the stuff?? 
[15:57] <kim___> that sounds like a big effort to make documentation
[15:57] <jjesse> on the wiki or in the system docs?
[15:57] <agateau> JontheEchidna: mmm, does your program have a main window?
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> agateau: nope, its a KDEDModule
[15:57] <jjesse> here are the current bugs in the system docs: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs
[15:57] <shadeslayer> jjesse: help.ubuntu isnt editable? ... never noticed that :P
[15:58] <shadeslayer> ah .. those docs
[15:58] <jjesse> help.ubuntu.com/community is editiable
[15:58] <jjesse> help.ubuntu.com comes from the system docs
[15:58] <agateau> JontheEchidna: what is run() going to do?
[15:58] <jjesse> does that make ssense on the difference between the two?
[15:58] <shadeslayer> lol
[15:59] <shadeslayer> jjesse: to me it does :)
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> agateau: whatever the subclass tells it to do, then this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/456426/
[16:00]  * shadeslayer hates wiki.k/ubuntu tho
[16:00] <agateau> JontheEchidna: the standard behavior of left-click is either: show/hide a window or show/hide the context menu
[16:00] <shadeslayer> moin moin is outdated...
[16:00] <agateau> JontheEchidna: anything else is inconsistent imo
[16:00] <jjesse> shadeslayer agreed
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> agateau: for example, the RebootEvent class sends a qdbus message to KSMServer to show the reboot dialog
[16:01] <shadeslayer> jjesse: i had to change my time zone in LP,to edit wiki's :P
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> then runs Event::run()
[16:01] <jjesse> shadeslayer thats wierd
[16:01] <shadeslayer> jjesse: yeah.. it doesnt recognise my time zone... its a known bug
[16:01] <shadeslayer> 2 open tickets as well
[16:02] <jjesse> you live in some wierd time zone?
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> agateau: so yeah, not showing something would be inconsistent, but KSNI should trust the app to show something even if it's not a QWidget controlled by the app
[16:03] <agateau> JontheEchidna: I kind of agree, even if I am a bit afraid of what you are doing :)
[16:03]  * agateau digs into KSNI code
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> Basically we want to do ->apt notifies us that we need to reboot -> Reboot event pops up a notification and a KSNI -> user clicks on that KSNI to get reboot dialog
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> we're doing that now, just with KNotification only
[16:05] <shadeslayer> jjesse: set your LP time zone to Asia/Kolkata
[16:05] <shadeslayer> jjesse: and see the magic ;)
[16:05] <agateau> JontheEchidna: are you inheriting from KSNI?
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> agateau: just from QObject
[16:06] <agateau> JontheEchidna: so you did not change the behavior of KSNI::activate()
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> agateau: correct
[16:07] <agateau> JontheEchidna: that's weird, because the code says the only way activate() can show the context menu is if the associated widget is the menu
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> I know, but it seems to be the opposite, to a degree :s
[16:07] <agateau> and in this case activateRequested is not emitted
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> this is the whole class: This is the whole class: http://paste.ubuntu.com/456433/
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> bleh @ copypaste
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> RebootEvent (and several other *Event classes) inherit this, and run show() when the KDED module tells them to do so
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> well, if the user hasn't permanaently ignored them, or if they are already showing ;)
[16:11] <agateau> JontheEchidna: unrelated, but you shouldn't call "delete m_notifiierItem" in Event::run()
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> m_notifierItem->deleteLater()?
[16:12] <agateau> JontheEchidna: yes
[16:12] <agateau> JontheEchidna: if KSNI does anything else after emitting the signal it's going to crash because it's already dead
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> It'd be nice if there was a less dirty method of making it go away...
[16:13] <agateau> JontheEchidna: than deleting it?
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[16:13] <agateau> JontheEchidna: why? would you want to reuse it?
[16:13] <dantti> a patch to ->hide() would be great !
[16:14] <dantti> I would
[16:14] <agateau> dantti: if you want your icon to be permanently there, but not always visible, you can change the ItemStatus
[16:14] <dantti> agateau: that's not what I want
[16:14] <agateau> dantti: if it's set to Passive then Plasma systemtray won't show it by default
[16:15] <dantti> I want it to go away
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> ^the current printer applet is using the Passive status, but people still complain that it's in the hidden part
[16:15] <dantti> yep, that sucks
[16:15] <dantti> that's why in the printer-manager we delete it
[16:16] <agateau> I don't think this is going to change as it would require a change of the ksni dbus protocol
[16:17] <dantti> it's a shame cause with the old one it was possible to hide
[16:17] <agateau> dantti: just create a simple function to recreate your item and you are done, no?
[16:17] <agateau> JontheEchidna: I assume you have debug symbols of kdelibs, it would be interesting to step into KSNI::activate()
[16:18] <dantti> agateau: yes but it's not convienent 
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> agateau: how would I do that?
[16:18] <agateau> dantti: I can see that, but it's not that painful to workaround I think
[16:18] <agateau> JontheEchidna: are you familiar with gdb?
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> agateau: I can do bt full, and such
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> but I've not done much else with it
[16:19] <agateau> JontheEchidna: ok
[16:19] <agateau> JontheEchidna: first, do yourself a favor and install cgdb :)
[16:19] <agateau> JontheEchidna: it's a curse-frontend for gdb, but it retains the "wonderful" gdb command interface
[16:20] <agateau> then you start your program with it: cgdb muon
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> agateau: oh, this is kded
[16:20] <agateau> JontheEchidna: ok, so you need to attach to it
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> (we're shipping the knotification-only version of it in 10.04)
[16:21] <agateau> cgdb kded <pid-of-kded>
[16:21] <agateau> then you can set a breakpoint on the method with:
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> gah, not this again... http://paste.ubuntu.com/456438/
[16:22] <agateau> b 'KStatusNotifierItem::activate(<tab>)'
[16:22] <agateau> and
[16:22] <agateau> c
[16:22]  * JontheEchidna fumbles for the workaround
[16:22] <agateau> mmm, I mean enter "c" (for continue) so that your program continues
[16:22] <agateau> then you click your item, gdb should stop in the function
[16:22] <agateau> oh
[16:23] <agateau> I remember reading about that
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> bug 589841
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> yay security \o/
[16:23] <agateau> you should talk to kees cook I think
[16:23] <agateau> he was the one talking about this on ubuntu-desktop ml
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> yeah, we've been doing email
[16:24] <agateau> ok
[16:24] <agateau> well, you can also restart kded
[16:24] <agateau> that's a bit more brutal
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> agateau: ok, got the workaround in place
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> b KStatusNotifierItem::activate(QPoint const&)?
[16:25] <agateau> yes
[16:25] <agateau> it should tell you it set a breakpoint
[16:25] <agateau> you can verify with "info breakpoints"
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> yup
[16:25] <agateau> or "i b" for short
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> then "c", then click my icon?
[16:25] <agateau> yes
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> ok
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> so now it stopped at the breakpoint
[16:26] <agateau> if you are in cgdb you should see the source code in the upper part of the screen
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> sorta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/456445/
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> (gdb assumes you built it locally)
[16:27] <agateau> ah
[16:27] <agateau> do you have the source code for kdelibs somewhere?
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> not compiled
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> but yes
[16:27] <agateau> not a problem
[16:27] <agateau> you can point gdb to it
[16:27]  * agateau tries to remember how to
[16:29] <agateau> "directory <path/to/kdelibs>"
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> do I have to restart gdb to do that?
[16:31] <agateau> no
[16:32] <agateau> I don't remember if you can point it to the base dir of if you must point it to the exact subdir
[16:32] <agateau> which would be kdelibs/kdeui/notifications
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> well, I have to restart kded
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> (I made a mistake)
[16:35] <agateau> ok
[16:36] <blueyed> Since 4.5beta2 already I'm only getting e.g. "Application: Dolphin (dolphin), signal: Segmentation fault" with the kde crash handler (no backtrace). is this a kde or kubuntu problem?
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> blueyed: https://launchpad.net/bugs/589841
[16:37] <mfraz74> some good news the quick access widget doesn't crash plasma any more with KDE 4.5 RC1
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> mfraz74: yup, was a KDE problem after all and they fixed it :)
[16:38] <mfraz74> just need to sort out Kopete's menu now and the lack of printer config.
[16:38] <mfraz74> oh and k3b crashing when trying to configure it.
[16:39] <mfraz74> i also notice that the menus in the login screen now work correctly.
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> agateau: ok, back to where I was
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> agateau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/456449/
[16:40] <agateau> JontheEchidna: with source code?
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> yep, appears to have worked
[16:40] <agateau> good
[16:40] <agateau> now you can run the code one line at a time
[16:40] <agateau> with "next" ("n" for short)
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> so now it's at: 502├>    if (d->status == NeedsAttention) {
[16:41] <agateau> ok, you can see after this part if checks whether associatedWidget is the menu
[16:41] <agateau> let's see if it enters this if
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> it went back to 499???
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> (the opening bracket)
[16:42] <agateau> JontheEchidna: that's the joy of debugging with code compiled in release mode
[16:42] <agateau> the compiler optimized the order things are executed :)
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> oh, ok, pressing n a few times, and it does enter the loop
[16:42] <agateau> the loop?
[16:42] <agateau> I see no loop in this method
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> er
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> if statement for NeedsAttention
[16:43] <agateau> ok
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> it does not enter if (d->associatedWidget == d->menu) {
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> nor if (!d->associatedWidget) {
[16:43] <agateau> oh!
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> then it continues on to exit
[16:43] <agateau> I just got it
[16:44] <agateau> for some reason associatedWidget is not null
[16:44] <agateau> so the signal does not get emitted
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> hrm
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> that's to be expected
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> because I tried setting the associated widget as the context menu to test if that would work
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> :P
[16:45] <agateau> ah yes
[16:45] <agateau> so it's not a bug in KSNI
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> let me go back to doing setContextMenu(contextMenu) and setAssociatedWidget(0)
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> (it still failed doing that)
[16:46] <agateau> according to the associatedWidget should be 0, because it's initialized to the parent of the KSNI
[16:47] <agateau> *according to the code
[16:48] <mfraz74> bug #599424 reported
[16:50] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: did you try the new dbus libs?
[16:51] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: what are the new dbus libs?
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> agateau: I'm not getting the activated signal at all if there's not an associatedWidget
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> it just pops up the context menu, even though I have the breakpoint
[16:52] <agateau> interesting
[16:52]  * agateau reads the code a bit more
[16:52] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: lemme check
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> I need to go acquire lunch. Will be back in 10 or 15 minutes
[16:53] <agateau> ok, but I won't be there I am afraid
[16:53] <agateau> see you at irc meeting tonight?
[16:56] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: libdbusmenu-qt from https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[16:57] <shadeslayer> might need porting
[16:57] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: ii  libdbusmenu-qt2             0.3.3-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1
[16:57] <shadeslayer> lex79: poke
[16:59] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: so this happens to you too? ( which kde version btw? )
[16:59] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: kde 4.5 RC1
[16:59] <mfraz74> it has been like that since i upgraded to 4.5 beta 2
[17:00] <shadeslayer> mm...maybe needs a recompile against new KDE? ( not too sure here )
[17:00] <shadeslayer> ofirk: \o
[17:00] <ofirk> shadeslayer: hi
[17:01] <ofirk> when the meeting starts?
[17:01] <shadeslayer> 90 miins
[17:04] <ScottK> It would be really nice if someone would look at the DSA on kvirc and see about doing security patches for our packages.
[17:04] <ScottK> It looks like Maverick is fixed.
[17:05] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: ill look into this
[17:06] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: thanks
[17:07] <shadeslayer> ScottK: pokey
[17:07] <shadeslayer> ScottK: does libdbusmenu-qt2 need a recompile if new KDE was released?
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: no
[17:12] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> it could need updating, though
[17:16] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ill have a go.. i think we should use a git version,current release is very un usable
[17:16] <shadeslayer> but ill have to check...
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: 0.4.0?
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: if you have problems with 0.4.0, talk to agateau
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> well, I guess he won't be on until tonight, but yeah
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> he's the libdbusmenu-qt dev
[17:18] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:18] <lex79> o/
[17:18] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: its 0.3.3 thats having issues
[17:19] <shadeslayer> with lucid and maverick.. 
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> [12:13:10] <JontheEchidna> it could need updating, though
[17:19] <shadeslayer> lex79: \o
[17:19] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yes :)
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> no git snapshot needed, there's a new stable release
[17:19] <shadeslayer> ill make another upload.. not on Ubuntu atm :P
[17:19] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ooohhh
[17:19] <shadeslayer> then ill push for maverick as well
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> it's already in maverick
[17:19] <dantti> Riddell: just pushed the distro-upgrade and debconf into aptcc (tough the debconf isn't added into kpk)
[17:20] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ok will upload for lucid in ppa :D
[17:20] <shadeslayer> brb real quick ;)
[17:21] <lex79> meeting at 18 utc?
[17:21]  * dantti going home...
[17:22] <bulldog98> lex79: 17:30
[17:22] <Quintasan|Szel> Riddell: meeting here?
[17:22] <lex79> the topic says 18
[17:24] <ScottK> lex79: That's not for the meeting.  That's for tutorial's day
[17:25] <lex79> ah, sorry :)
[17:25] <ScottK> FYI, If I'm late for the meeting, I'm +1 all the specs.
[17:25] <lex79> ok
[17:30] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: heh.. even you have outdated info.. we have 0.5.0 for release
[17:30] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:33] <mfraz74> another thing I've noticed recently is that sometimes when I click on a window, i will end up dragging it
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: looks like maverick was just updated 30 minutes ago, too: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/libdbusmenu-qt
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> upstream is fast ;)
[17:33] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> mfraz74: new Oxygen feature
[17:34] <mfraz74> JontheEchidna: can i disable it?
[17:34] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: oxygen feature?
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> mfraz74: I can't find an option :(
[17:34] <shadeslayer> i thought oxygen == Artwork 
[17:34] <mfraz74> :(
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> mfraz74: ah, oxygen-settings
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: including a widget theme
[17:35] <Quintasan|Szel> hey, hey aren't we supposed to hold a meeting? :D
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan|Szel: 60mins
[17:37]  * shadeslayer is wondering why everybody is getting the time all wrong
[17:37] <Quintasan|Szel> oh
[17:37] <Quintasan|Szel> it's UTC time :S
[17:37] <mfraz74> JontheEchidna: is that the drag windows option?
[17:37] <Quintasan|Szel> then, I can go swimming
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> mfraz74: yeah
[17:37] <Quintasan|Szel> :O
[17:38] <Riddell> Quintasan|Szel: meeting in #ubuntu-meeting if possible
[17:38] <Quintasan|Szel> Riddell: awesome
[17:38] <shadeslayer> zomg... poor LP builders...
[17:39] <Riddell> in 50 minutes
[17:39] <shadeslayer> specially the ia64 ones....
[17:39] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: the fix should be in the PPA in about 30 mins.. 
[17:40] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: poke me if it doesnt :P
[17:40] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: thank you :)
[17:40] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: no problemo ..
[17:40] <mfraz74> JontheEchidna: how do i get to oxygen-settings in system settings?
[17:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw is all of kde* built ?
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> mfraz74: they put it as a separate program to not clutter up system setting. I don't think you can put it there
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> mfraz74: a lot of the less advanced settings can already be configured in systemsettings
[17:41] <CIA-99> [messages] lranghetti * 1143762 * trunk/l10n-kde4/pt_BR/messages/playground-sysadmin/muon.po some updates
[17:42] <ryanakca> shadeslayer, jjesse: No, it was nixternal working on help.k.o
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopgk1472-jpg.jpg
[17:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not last time I looked
[17:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: cuz i haz upgrades...
[17:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how important?  we need to freeze for alpha 2
[17:44] <mfraz74> going to come back in a bit
[18:01]  * JontheEchidna sighs at Chromium's CSD
[18:15] <bulldog98> Riddell: we can’t do meeting in #ubuntu-meeting there is already an other meeting
[18:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: lemme check
[18:16] <ofirk> the Kubuntu meeting starts in 15 minutes at #ubuntu-meeting, right?
[18:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: last time i saw,we had kdebase built and published...
[18:17] <maco> given teh security people look to be busy in there, i imagine it'll be in here ofirk
[18:17] <ofirk> ok, thanks
[18:20] <maco> just talked to sbeattie
[18:20] <maco> he says he doesnt think they'll go past :30 but if they do, just give them the boot
[18:20] <maco> as far as he knows, they dont actually have the meeting room reserved, just kinda popped in
[18:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/egP7ggZ8
[18:20] <apachelogger> ehm
[18:20] <apachelogger> I just came to wonder
[18:21] <apachelogger> how does 18utc translate to something :30ish in CEST?
[18:21] <apachelogger> obviously something is wrong ^^
[18:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: time for meet is 17:30 UTC
[18:21] <apachelogger> oh
[18:21] <shadeslayer> uh
[18:21] <neversfelde> ah
[18:21] <apachelogger> that is the tutorials day ^^
[18:21] <shadeslayer> yes...
[18:22] <apachelogger> so
[18:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 4th person to get it wrong :P
[18:22] <apachelogger> come to think of it
[18:22] <apachelogger> why does our topic constantly grow longer than my screen manages to display?
[18:22] <apachelogger> holy enterprise
[18:23] <apachelogger> Sput: you must give the channel topic news ticker behaviour, obviously kubuntu uses it as one
[18:23] <Sput> we could add a RSS feed
[18:23] <apachelogger> that would be handy too
[18:24] <maco> apachelogger: you know if you mouse over it, itll expand and show the whole thing...
[18:24] <maco> at least, if you're using Sputware
[18:24] <maco> not for irssi
[18:24] <apachelogger> Sput: well, how much work would it be to make that thingy move the text?
[18:24] <Sput> we used to have that
[18:24] <apachelogger> ...well, optional...
[18:24] <Sput> for now, you can just hover over it
[18:24] <maco> apachelogger: are you really asking him to bring back 1997 <marquee> tags?
[18:24] <maco> apachelogger: what next? blink?
[18:24] <apachelogger> DO NOT BLINK!
[18:25] <maco> (dont blink. dont even blink. blink and you're dead)
[18:25] <apachelogger> here we are going off topic now
[18:25] <apachelogger> so
[18:25] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:25] <apachelogger> ofirk: how about writing a mail to the list about that topic entry of yours? :P
[18:25]  * shadeslayer wonders who is on lucid + kde 4.5 RC
[18:25] <apachelogger> so we can remove it
[18:26] <maco> Riddell: *poke*
[18:26] <apachelogger> hmhm
[18:26] <apachelogger> Sput: now really, for the current topic here, a ticker would be totally appropriate
[18:26] <maco> Riddell: sbeattie says they're wrapping up and we can have -meeting. i said this way up there ^
[18:26] <ofirk> apachelogger: oh, we can remove it, the site is about to move to production so...
[18:26] <ofirk> apachelogger:  removed
[18:27] <shadeslayer> call to people using https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta to test new libdbusmenu-qt
[18:27] <apachelogger> perfect
[18:27] <apachelogger> ofirk++
[18:27]  * a|wen is (unexpectedly) here in time for the meeting, yay :)
[18:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: write to the list
[18:27] <Riddell> maco: ok thanks
[18:27]  * apachelogger would have come 30 minutes late :P
[18:28]  * a|wen grabs apachelogger and hold him so he stays :P
[18:28] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic learn
[18:28] <kubotu> done
[18:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmm.. its just that i need verification to close bug 599424
[18:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also you need verification that nothing else broke on the way, so more testing is better I imagine :)
[18:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :D
[18:29] <apachelogger> oh dear
[18:29] <apachelogger> brrrr
[18:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: meeting in #ubuntu-meeting ?
[18:29] <apachelogger> too long an agenda
[18:29] <Riddell> let's try for #ubuntu-meetting
[18:29] <shadeslayer> ok.. looks quite atm :P
[18:30] <ofirk> I will be here in 5 minutes
[18:30]  * maco giggles
[18:30] <maco> we should have a #kubuntu-meeting just to be divisive
[18:34] <gorgonizer> shadeslayer: as soon as it appears in the repository, I will install and test..
[18:34] <shadeslayer> gorgonizer: w00t :D
[18:34] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:34] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ping
[18:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping
[18:35] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: One good thing about Chromium's CSD is it's example was useful in the argument to convince Canonical to back off from CSD.
[18:35] <_Groo_> could anyone confirm me if kdm is still broken in 4.5 rc1?
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> it was un-broken in a packaging update to beta1
[18:36] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: hey john
[18:37] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: well yesterday as you know i updated to rc1, and i cant use themes yet, it gives the same error of permissions for /tmp/kde-<user>
[18:37] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: i think thats in the wiki page for packaging
[18:37] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: any workaround?
[18:38] <_Groo_> btw are you guys planning to add phonon-vlc to the release?
[18:38] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> It seems my definition of a "broken" kdm is a bit more severe than yours :P
[18:38] <_Groo_> also ive been testing kmix with pulseaudio since 4.4 (using diferent branch) and it works very well, maybe pulse could be enabled for next kubuntu?
[18:39] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: pulse is on by default in 10.10
[18:39] <ScottK> _Groo_: Already done
[18:39] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: i just wanted to confirm you guys are aware of it
[18:39] <_Groo_> ScottK: niiice :)
[18:39] <JontheEchidna> and now that vlc 1.1 is out, debfx is working on phonon-vlc I think
[18:40] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: real nice
[18:40] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: so, is there a workaround for kcm?
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[18:40] <_Groo_> kdm i mean
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> (the kdm kcm?) :D
[18:40] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: lol wait...
[18:41] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: what i mean is for kdm, the themes cant be applied
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> KDM KControl Module
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> == KDM KCM
[18:41] <apachelogger> uha
[18:41] <apachelogger> _Groo_: yus?
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> acronymns++
[18:41] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: he shows up and run, but when i click apply it says it cant save the config files
[18:42] <_Groo_> on another news in lucid the kde printer configuration is broken (again) :P
[18:42] <_Groo_> so my question is (for KDM specifically), is there a workaround?
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> maybe kdesudo kcmshell4 kdm?
[18:44] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: let me try, but its the same behhaviour as root, so it shouldnt matter
[18:46] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: same thing
[18:47] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ca/1891244
[18:49] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: maybe kdm isnt calling the authorization window? changing time for ex works just fine
[18:50] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: it worries me cause if im getting bitten maybe some other users are
[18:55] <kim> Is there anyone in here that can help me get started with the documentation. Sorry to make such a fuss, but since I am not a programmer, I have to contribute in a way I can. 
[18:57] <bulldog98> kim: please wait until end of the meeting than everybody will have time
[19:04] <gorgonizer> shadeslayer: after installing the new libdbusmenu-qt5 package (amd64) and a reboot, the Kopete menu doesn't flash anymore, and is a lot more responsive :)
[19:04] <shadeslayer> gorgonizer: woot
[19:04] <shadeslayer> gorgonizer: lets close that beastie shall we  ;D
[19:07] <gorgonizer> shadeslayer: I might get some more feedback, but I am much happier with menu responsiveness :)
[19:07] <shadeslayer> cool
[19:21]  * Quintasan|Szel wonders why he didn't nominate himself for council
[19:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan|Szel: lol
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan|Szel: you could try to oust me in a year, I think. (Next election)
[19:22] <Quintasan|Szel> JontheEchidna: :>
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> :3
[19:23] <nixternal> ooh, a meeting
[19:24] <jjesse> now?
[19:24] <nixternal> i should have applied for membership, though I haven't done a damn thing :)
[19:24] <Quintasan|Szel> nixternal: well, you can try doing it now before we finish :P
[19:24] <shadeslayer> nixternal: fix bug 1 :P
[19:25] <nixternal> i need to go and get a damn hard drive for my server so i can leave it up all the time...i miss using mutt...tired of using the gmail interface :)
[19:25] <nixternal> shadeslayer: bug 1 will never get fixed
[19:25] <shadeslayer> you will probably become ubuntu core dev :P
[19:25] <nixternal> i have closed it numerous times in the past just to piss people off
[19:25] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[19:25] <Quintasan> lol
[19:25] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: gratz btw
[19:25] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for shadeslayer 
[19:25]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to shadeslayer.
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> That page takes too long to load....
[19:26] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: thanks :D
[19:26] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: bug 599424 by new libdbus-qt ;)
[19:26] <shadeslayer> is fixed..
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: throw me a package and I'll review/sponsor after the meeting
[19:27] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: uh.. sponsor for what? :)
[19:27] <shadeslayer> its in kubuntu beta ppa already :)
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> oh, right, already in maverick :)
[19:27] <lex79> if it's fixed, mark it fixed release
[19:27] <apachelogger> ohh
[19:27] <shadeslayer> lex79: yeah i did :)
[19:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: blur works in rc1 \o/
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[19:28]  * apachelogger notes that networkmanagement plasmoid looks a lot better that way ^^
[19:28] <shadeslayer> that remids me.. have to test out RC1
[19:28] <shadeslayer> brb
[19:38] <ScottK> https://edge.launchpad.net/~blca/+archive/ppa/ looks like someone that might be worth recruiting.
[19:47] <shadeslayer> RC seems to be slow...
[19:47] <shadeslayer> very slow if i may add
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> seems fine here
[19:48] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:53] <apachelogger> ofirk, agateau, shadeslayer: You should be approved as members of ~kubuntu-members on lp and receive an @ubuntu.com and @kubuntu.org email address soonish - for other benefits please review https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Membership
[19:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wheee
[19:53] <apachelogger> Thanks for contributing to Kubuntu and once again welcome :)
[19:53] <agateau> apachelogger: \o/
[19:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will we get a email about the aliases ?
[19:55] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: btw, what are you going to package when you will be giving a lecture on KTD?
[19:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I do not think so, just try sending to yourlp@ubuntu.com every once in a while, you should get it to your primary listed email address on launchpad then
[19:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: kdetoys... thats the smallest :P
[19:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah ok
[19:56] <agateau> ok, celebration dinner time!
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> I think with some careful upstream maintaining, kdetoys could be removed in a kde minor release^
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> (e.g. moving amor to kdegames and giving the boot to unmaintained stuff)
[19:56] <Quintasan> well I think that was covered last year but I can give a short talk on packaing plasmoids :P
[19:56] <shadeslayer> kubotu: order party for everyone
[19:56]  * kubotu is going to his secret storehouse to get party for everyone - might take some time.
[19:56]  * kubotu is back and slides party down the bar to everyone
[19:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^^
[19:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whats the party think again?
[19:57] <shadeslayer> *thing
[19:57] <apachelogger> just party
[19:57] <apachelogger> well
[19:57] <apachelogger> order party
[19:57]  * apachelogger is wondering why the for is not working though
[19:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: sure,we can do it together :D
[19:57] <Quintasan> kubotu: order party
[19:57]  * kubotu gives everyone a party hat and a hand full of conffeti.
[19:57]  * kubotu turns on tha most funky party music as well as the all shiny disco ball.
[19:57] <kubotu> Quintasan: wanna dance with me? :-)
[19:57]  * kubotu starts shaking her tight ass
[19:57] <apachelogger> wrong condition chain it seems
[19:58] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[19:58] <Quintasan> ohwow.jpg
[19:59] <jussi> this maybe because I have debfx's packages installed, but: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.4.90-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack):
[19:59] <jussi>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/icons/network.svgz', which is also in package plasma-widget-networkmanagement 0:0.9~svn1137272-0ubuntu1~lucid0
[20:00] <shadeslayer> oh..
[20:01] <shadeslayer> jussi: does debfx has nm packages as well?
[20:01] <jussi> yes
[20:01] <shadeslayer> hmm... only debfx can tell then :D
[20:02] <debfx> jussi: yes it's because of nm package, you shouldn't use it with kde 4.5
[20:02] <jussi> debfx: its getting replaced, no?
[20:03] <debfx> jussi: I think it's already in the beta ppa
[20:04] <jussi> debfx: yeah, so it should be getting overwrtten then, I suppose
[20:05] <debfx> jussi: you should upgrade nm first
[20:06] <jussi> yeah, it got upgraded in the process :)
[20:07] <Riddell> ryanakca: are you able to put up the KDE SC rc 1 story on kubuntu.org?
[20:07] <Riddell> can just copy the last beta story
[20:07] <Riddell> with a "packages still compiling in maverick" notice
[20:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uh.. KDE RC1 works on maverick
[20:11] <Quintasan> lucid too
[20:12] <shadeslayer> http://imagebin.ca/view/T2spBv.html << from my maverick machine
[20:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but it's not yet all compiled in the archives
[20:12] <shadeslayer> weird...
[20:13] <shadeslayer> maybe amd64 is done?
[20:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: so your saying we do plasmoids? ( im more experienced with kdeartwork and stuff ) 
[20:17] <shadeslayer> ill have a poke around plasmoids tho
[20:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: plasmoids are very easy
[20:17] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: if we get some minions the we can set up a ppa
[20:18] <shadeslayer> hehe
[20:18] <Quintasan> because uploading most of em to archive would be a bad idea
[20:18] <shadeslayer> of course...
[20:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: maybe we can create a team on lp for the time being?
[20:19] <shadeslayer> ~kubuntu-plasmoids :P
[20:19] <Quintasan> well, I don't think we need that now
[20:19] <Quintasan> hmm
[20:20] <Quintasan> no
[20:20] <Quintasan> I'm just too lazy to create it
[20:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: :P
[20:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: haha ... ok ill look into it in 2-3 days.. 
[20:21] <Quintasan> apachelogger: that was too easy
[20:21] <Quintasan> :{
[20:21] <Quintasan> :P I mean
[20:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: we'll see :P
[20:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: it's stressing, I bet I would forget it if I was the one being questioned :P
[20:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whew... i thought you were going to grill me like anything :P
[20:29] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: MOTU is sometimes worse
[20:29] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: "What was your biggest mistake?"
[20:30] <Quintasan> 1,5 minutes later
[20:30] <Quintasan> I was thinking about it for 1,5 minute
[20:32] <Quintasan> apachelogger: the new BSD is short, but if you try to paste an old BSD license you can notice the thanks part takes twice the license place :P
[20:32] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for lex79 
[20:32]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to lex79.
[20:33] <lex79> thanks Quintasan :)
[20:33] <apachelogger> there are multiple BSD licenses, so the answer of having to deploy the full license along the source is entirely correct because just saying BSD would be amibous in any case
[20:33] <Quintasan> :D
[20:34]  * lex79 is awesome
[20:34]  * apachelogger agrees
[20:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, you see what happens when you apply for kubuntu-dev :P
[20:35] <shadeslayer> hehe
[20:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You'd better get some easy questions for me then :P
[20:35] <lex79> I'm feeling a bit under pressure
[20:35] <lex79> how so? :D
[20:35] <Quintasan> are we finished with things on #ubuntu-meeting?
[20:35] <apachelogger> no easy questions there, no one gets into my playground without careful grilling first :P
[20:35] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic restore
[20:36] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic del 4
[20:36]  * lex79 smoke a cigarette, is better
[20:36] <apachelogger> ah, look, the topic is of sensible lenght again
[20:36] <apachelogger> yay
[20:36] <apachelogger> lex79: ^^ you are supposedly half way in already
[20:37] <lex79> \o/
[20:37] <Quintasan> well
[20:37] <lex79> ^ he left
[20:37] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, apachelogger: about Project Neon
[20:37] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:37] <shadeslayer> dont have the time right now with training and all :D
[20:38] <Quintasan> apachelogger: you threw it at me without any explanations and I must say the code is crap and I really don't know how it should work
[20:38] <shadeslayer> can barely manage rekonq + packages + merges :P
[20:38] <apachelogger> lol
[20:38] <Quintasan> apachelogger: what was the process (ie. how were you using it) to build those?
[20:38] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you just do not see the beauty of the design
[20:38] <apachelogger> get source | invoke distro build | do other stuff
[20:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: the beauty of your design is that it doesn't work now
[20:39] <Quintasan> :P
[20:39] <apachelogger> distro builder does in our case : iter over successfully fetched sources -> for each source merge it with a generic packaging and specific packaging for the particular package -> dput
[20:39] <apachelogger> anyhow
[20:39] <apachelogger> Quintasan: it worked for me :P
[20:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: first of all, which should be executed first: amarok.rb or kde.rb
[20:39] <apachelogger> you are just missing deps supposedly
[20:40] <shadeslayer> lex79: how did you survive that
[20:40] <apachelogger> Quintasan: amarok.rb qt (or all, some argument)
[20:40]  * shadeslayer gives +100 to lex79
[20:40] <apachelogger> that will build qt-copy
[20:40] <apachelogger> well
[20:40] <apachelogger> fetch source | invoke distro builder
[20:40] <shadeslayer> just read the backlog :D
[20:40] <apachelogger> although
[20:41] <apachelogger> maybe you need to use kde.rb nowadays :P
[20:41] <apachelogger> well, just check the two scripts
[20:41] <lex79> shadeslayer: thanks if it's a compliment :)
[20:41] <apachelogger> one will contain the magic to build qt
[20:41] <apachelogger> that one you use to get a qt-copy package up
[20:41] <shadeslayer> lex79: of course it was :D
[20:41] <shadeslayer> lex79: so now your a kubuntu dev?
[20:41] <lex79> thanks :)
[20:41] <Quintasan> damn you svn
[20:41] <Quintasan> when the move to GIT will be complete?
[20:41] <lex79> shadeslayer: read kubuntu-devel list
[20:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what I would do though is push jamesw along to get his recipe stuff going
[20:42] <shadeslayer> lex79: okies :D
[20:42] <lex79> JontheEchidna: thanks for sent the email to the ML
[20:42] <Quintasan> apachelogger: who is jamesw?
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> lex79: yup, no problem
[20:42] <apachelogger> then you can basically implement neon using launchpad board utils
[20:42] <apachelogger> which is of course much better suited anyway
[20:42] <Quintasan> >launchpad board utils
[20:42] <apachelogger> Quintasan: the dude working on distributed packaging
[20:42] <Quintasan> you got lost me there
[20:42] <Quintasan> whats that?
[20:43] <Quintasan> hmm
[20:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: apachelogger you guys free this weekend?
[20:43] <Quintasan> kde.rb starts with kdesupport
[20:43] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: well, I have holidays so, you know
[20:43] <Quintasan> :P
[20:43] <Quintasan> hmm
[20:43] <Quintasan> oh crap
[20:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i have holidays too,but theres this fricking training i have to attend
[20:44] <Quintasan> I forgot I going to Muse concert :P
[20:44] <Quintasan> I'm*
[20:44] <shadeslayer> VSAT's is a huge huge ... you know.... subject :D
[20:44] <shadeslayer> lex79: can kubuntu members vote ?
[20:44] <lex79> no, only kubuntu-dev
[20:44] <lex79> :)
[20:45] <shadeslayer> :(
[20:45] <shadeslayer> i would have voted +1 tho :D
[20:45] <lex79> thanks anyway :D
[20:45] <Quintasan> apachelogger: none of those scripts build qt for starters
[20:45] <Quintasan> :S
[20:45] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: apachelogger lex79 ( if your interested ) maybe we can revive project neon this weekend
[20:45] <shadeslayer> study the code and all
[20:46] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: well, I would vote to rewrite it
[20:46] <Quintasan> :P
[20:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: supposedly free this weekend
[20:46] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:47] <shadeslayer> so.. i guess thats a yes 
[20:47] <Quintasan> well, let's get the script rolling
[20:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: thanks for the mail
[20:47] <Quintasan> maybe it will sync the svn now
[20:48] <shadeslayer> btw i propose updating the ppa every 2 weeks...
[20:48] <shadeslayer> or after every 2 snapshots...
[20:48] <Quintasan> apachelogger: one more thing, there is no output when it's doing svn co
[20:49] <Quintasan> hmm
[20:49] <Quintasan> well
[20:49] <Quintasan> it downloads something
[20:50] <Quintasan> ohhh
[20:50] <Quintasan> brb syncing Qt
[20:50] <Quintasan> :P
[20:50] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:52] <Quintasan> well
[20:53] <shadeslayer> oh man
[20:53] <Quintasan> I hope it will at least succeed in fetching the sources
[20:53] <Quintasan> if not then I'm going to rewrite it in python
[20:53] <shadeslayer> update-apt-xapi is taking up 130 MBs
[20:53] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^^
[20:53] <Quintasan> :P
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[20:53] <apachelogger> huh?
[20:53] <shadeslayer> oh.. thats going to make apachelogger very fluffy
[20:54] <Quintasan> :3
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: more like </trollface>
[20:54]  * apachelogger told Quintasan what to do already :P
[20:54] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: QTrollface :P
[20:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I suppose Quintasan's trollface app leaks mem
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: more like </trollface>
[20:54] <Quintasan> apachelogger: what?
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> er
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> :P
[20:54] <shadeslayer> hehe
[20:54] <apachelogger> you are a memleaker!!!!
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> (accidentally hit up)
[20:54] <Quintasan> how come?
[20:55] <Quintasan> apachelogger: first of all
[20:55] <Quintasan> apachelogger: it's TROLLFACE
[20:55] <Quintasan> :D
[20:55] <Quintasan> who said it's going to use ur mem wisely? :P
[20:55] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: go and fix qt examples
[20:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/trollface-1.0.tar.bz2
[20:56] <ScottK> All ur mem are belong to us?
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: bah
[20:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: go and fix Quintasan plz
[20:56] <Quintasan> ScottK: something like this
[20:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: exec(fixme)? :P
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: btw, it's not done and needs some bugs worked out, but I haz initial support for KSNI in kubuntu-notification-helper
[20:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I thought you fixed it when you said to file a bug on it :P
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: please revu the new Event api additions: http://pastebin.com/RE8GNvuF
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: noo.. lex79 is looking after that
[20:56] <apachelogger> KSNI
[20:56] <Quintasan> oh, okay
[20:57] <apachelogger> kubuntu super natural insects?
[20:57] <lex79> what?
[20:57] <shadeslayer> haha
[20:57] <Quintasan> lol
[20:57] <shadeslayer> lex79: qt4-demos :D
[20:57] <apachelogger> kubuntu sexy nude integrity
[20:57] <lex79> ah
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: KStatusNotifierItem
[20:57] <Quintasan> wut Qt source takes 600mb?!
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> though I like yours better :P
[20:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ooh
[20:57] <apachelogger> kubuntu scifi nano intelligence
[20:57] <apachelogger> ah oh
[20:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we can ship qt on a CD
[20:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: Qbuntu :P
[20:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: KSNI is not a terribly cool name
[20:58] <Quintasan> :DD
[20:58] <apachelogger> doesnt roll either
[20:58] <apachelogger> BTW
[20:58] <apachelogger> kubuntu-dev quorum is 3/3 or majority
[20:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: btw. where the hell my QTrollface can leak mem? @_@
[20:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: could you have made individual diffs for the changes? :P
[20:59] <shadeslayer> ok guys gtg.. have to wake up @ 7 tomorrow ..  -.-
[20:59] <apachelogger> Quintasan: glib :P
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> oh
[20:59] <shadeslayer> bye all.. and thanks :D
[21:00] <Quintasan> apachelogger: glib what? :S
[21:00]  * JontheEchidna is not sure how to split those up
[21:00] <apachelogger> ahh
[21:00] <apachelogger> the JontheEchidna uses the qstringbuilder
[21:00] <apachelogger> how very wise
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> yus
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> <3
[21:01] <apachelogger> EXTERMINATE
[21:01] <apachelogger> -----
[21:01] <apachelogger> :P
[21:01] <apachelogger> sorry
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> btw, I also committed some const correctness fixes
[21:01]  * apachelogger has these misbehaviours all of a sudden
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> as well as more QStringBuilder porting
[21:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan: glib the mother of all memleaks
[21:02] <apachelogger> hm
[21:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: m_notifierItem->setAssociatedWidget(NULL);
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> oh
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> that was an experiment
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> I'm testing a bug in KSNI
[21:02] <apachelogger> #define NULL Quintasan
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> :P
[21:02] <apachelogger> there now your notifier eats Quintasan
[21:02] <apachelogger> happy? :P
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> I was seeing if somehow 0 wasn't satisfying a !bool condition
[21:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: i18nc would be nice, while you are at it
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> but that appears not to be the problem
[21:03]  * JontheEchidna will revert NULL to 0 before he commits
[21:03] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[21:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is contextMenu parented by the notifier?
[21:04] <apachelogger> I mean, after you use setContextMenu(contextMenu)
[21:04] <apachelogger> who will take care of deleting that beastie
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> no, but it should be. fixed
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> actually
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> it needs a qwidget if we are to parent it
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> so we'll have to delete it manuallyh
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> which means it needs to be a member var
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> but
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> I have to go home now
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> will fix when I get back
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> also, I knwo the actual implementation has some boogs
[21:07] <apachelogger> ahh
[21:07] <apachelogger> yeah :P
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> like closing the KSNI is currently connected to ignore forever
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> and a bunch of other little beasties
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> I just need to know if the new member vars/private functions are sane
[21:08] <apachelogger> I do think so
[21:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe you should consider making the event be based on KSNI though
[21:08] <apachelogger> OTOH that is designwise a bad choice :D
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> also I want to make show() get passed a kicon, not a qpixmap
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> (see my todo)
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> bbl
[21:24] <Nightrose> does anyone have time to help me rescue a broken system after a failed upgrade to 10.04? :(
[21:26] <neversfelde> Nightrose: what happened?
[21:27] <Nightrose> neversfelde: computer decided to reboot in the middle of upgrade
[21:27] <Nightrose> i finished from command line with dist-upgrade after the reboot
[21:27] <Nightrose> now it hangs when it should show kdm
[21:29] <neversfelde> Nightrose: is everything configured? sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:30] <Nightrose> neversfelde: hmm let me try to get a console...
[21:31] <lex79> ciao gp[8] :) welcome where dreams come true :P
[21:31] <ScottK> Also check to see which kernel you're running.  If it's still on the old kernel, not booting would not be suprising.
[21:32] <lex79> ScottK: you missed my grill :(
[21:32] <ScottK> Yeah.  I'm busy with $WORK right now, I'll catch up later.
[21:32] <Nightrose> ScottK: k thx
[21:33] <gp[8]> ih lex79 :) where dreams come true? :D
[21:33] <lex79> yep
[21:33] <gp[8]> lol
[21:34] <Nightrose> neversfelde: jep seems ok there
[21:34] <Nightrose> checking kernel now
[21:36] <Nightrose> 2.6.32-23
[21:36] <neversfelde> yes, old kernel
[21:37] <neversfelde> no sorry
[21:37] <neversfelde> I forgot that I use maverick for a moment :)
[21:38] <a|wen> Nightrose: which kind of graphics card do you have?
[21:38] <Nightrose> a|wen: no idea - how do i find out?
[21:39] <a|wen> Nightrose: "lspci" should show you ... it was more, if you remembered if you installed proprietary drivers in the past
[21:39] <lex79> lspci | grep -i vga
[21:39] <Nightrose> thx
[21:40] <Nightrose> ati radeon  9800 pro
[21:41] <a|wen> hmm ... try to (re)move your /etc/X11/xorg.conf (if it exists?)
[21:43] <Nightrose> k
[21:43] <a|wen> if it was there, and you moved it out, then try to reboot
[21:44] <Nightrose> i did - seems to be showing the end of a trace now
[21:44]  * Nightrose tries to figure out how to scroll up
[21:45] <Nightrose> hmmmmm doesn't work it seems
[21:45] <Nightrose> :/
[21:45] <a|wen> Nightrose: also try to start aptitude "sudo aptitude" ... do you have an item on the list named "obsolete and locally created packages"?
[21:46] <Nightrose> i can't get into anything graphic
[21:46] <Nightrose> just command line
[21:47] <a|wen> Nightrose: it is commandline :)
[21:47] <Nightrose> oh...
[21:47]  * Nightrose tries
[21:48] <Nightrose> a|wen: jep
[21:48] <Nightrose> 211
[21:48] <a|wen> Nightrose: if that item is on the list, look through the packages if any of them looks graphics related (fglrx?)
[21:49] <a|wen> (only the packages under that item)
[21:49] <Nightrose> k
[21:49] <Nightrose> a|wen: doesn't look like it :/
[21:51] <a|wen> Nightrose: you could try to paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (if you can get internet access from the machine)
[21:52] <Nightrose> i'll have a look in there
[21:55] <Nightrose> a|wen: pastebin.com/iY1G3apy
[21:57] <a|wen> Nightrose: you are sure, that there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf file now?
[21:58]  * a|wen looks a bit at the line "Setting screen physical size to 380 x 238" ... that looks wrong
[21:58] <Nightrose> jep
[21:58] <Nightrose> i moved it
[21:58] <a|wen> uh, unless that is real physical size
[21:59] <Nightrose> it's a 19" screen
[21:59] <Nightrose> so nope ;-)
[21:59] <Nightrose> i think
[22:01] <a|wen> 38 x 23 cm ;)
[22:01] <shadeslayer> a|wen: maybe a whole reconfigure of X ?
[22:01] <shadeslayer> just a suggestion.. im off to bed now :P
[22:01]  * shadeslayer just finished watching clone wars :P
[22:01] <a|wen> shadeslayer: deleting xorg.conf will make it auto-configure everything
[22:02] <shadeslayer> a|wen: yes,but after deleting it,dont you have to run nvidia-xconfig ( for nvidia cards ) , dunno about ATi
[22:02] <a|wen> Nightrose: what happens, when you start it ... do you see a mouse or anything, or just black screen?
[22:02] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: oohh try startkde and see what happens
[22:02] <shadeslayer> that should give a idea as to whats the issue
[22:03] <Nightrose> k - sec
[22:04] <Nightrose> $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to X server
[22:04] <Nightrose> (for startkde)
[22:04] <apachelogger> startx
[22:04] <apachelogger> startkde will not launch an X server
[22:05]  * apachelogger needs to go to bed though
[22:05] <apachelogger> :(
[22:05] <Nightrose> screwy graphics
[22:05] <Nightrose> can't see anything useful besides garbage
[22:05] <Nightrose> apachelogger: *hug*
[22:05] <a|wen> Nightrose: do you have the package "fglrx" installed?
[22:06] <Nightrose> checking
[22:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmm.. so startkde only launches KDE stuff?? no X ?
[22:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also i found out that X is leaking.. nothing related to KDE...thats why my mem consumption is high
[22:07] <Nightrose> a|wen: doesn't look like it
[22:07] <Nightrose> should i install it?
[22:08] <a|wen> Nightrose: good ... no, you should nuke it, if it was there
[22:08] <shadeslayer> open source drivers for ATi are now in the repos ;)
[22:09] <shadeslayer> work pretty good,from what i hear
[22:09] <a|wen> shadeslayer: it uses the open source drivers
[22:09]  * ScottK looks at the way kde* is starting to dominate the buildds and thinks all is right with the world again.
[22:09] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hehe
[22:10] <shadeslayer> im getting updates in waves
[22:10] <a|wen> Nightrose: hmm, i'm a bit out of ideas here ... the log-file doesn't show anything; according to it, it looks like everything works out fine
[22:10] <shadeslayer> x seriously needs to fixed :|
[22:10] <Nightrose> :/ thx a|wen
[22:11] <Nightrose> any other ideas anyone?
[22:11] <Nightrose> i really need to get this system up again soon because i need to prepare my akademy talks
[22:11] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: well...  try sudo apt-get -f install
[22:11] <Nightrose> nothing
[22:11] <shadeslayer> does it say anything?
[22:11] <Nightrose> just a few packages that are no longer needed
[22:12] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: #ubuntu-x then
[22:12] <shadeslayer> gods of X :P
[22:12] <shadeslayer> sarvatt should be around... 
[22:12] <Nightrose> ok thx
[22:12] <a|wen> Nightrose: check that kubuntu-desktop is installed?
[22:13] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: good night.. hope you get your system fixed :)
[22:13] <Nightrose> a|wen: jep installed
[22:13] <Nightrose> thx shadeslayer
[22:13] <shadeslayer> may the force be with you :D
[22:13] <Nightrose> heh
[22:14] <a|wen> Nightrose: "sudo apt-get --fix-policy install"
[22:15] <shadeslayer> a|wen: thats a new one :D
[22:15] <Nightrose> a|wen: ah that shows a few upgrades...
[22:15] <Nightrose> should i do them?
[22:16]  * shadeslayer goes to man pages
[22:16] <a|wen> Nightrose: give it a go
[22:16] <Nightrose> k
[22:16] <a|wen> shadeslayer: installs all missing recommended packages (check that kubuntu-desktop is installed and doing that might fix it sometimes)
[22:16] <shadeslayer> a|wen: omg thats not  even in man pages
[22:17] <shadeslayer> :D
[22:17] <a|wen> shadeslayer: no ... iirc there is a bug report against apt in debian, that it is undocumented in the man page ;)
[22:17] <a|wen> thats where you should look it up :P
[22:17] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[22:18] <shadeslayer> weird.. rekonq is still writing stuff.. and i closed it 30 mins ago
[22:19] <a|wen> shadeslayer: debian bug 578020
[22:19] <shadeslayer> a|wen: awesome :D
[22:20] <a|wen> Nightrose: your machine is using GMT+2 time ?
[22:21] <Nightrose> it should be yes
[22:21] <a|wen> then that is why I am confused ... the Xorg.0.log is not from after the restart after removing xorg.conf
[22:22] <Nightrose> hmm interesting
[22:22] <Nightrose> might not have survived the restart then
[22:22] <a|wen> you did restart it and had the grahical interface fail to start?
[22:23] <Nightrose> with startx in recovery mode
[22:23] <Nightrose> then i get screwy graphics and i can't do anything anymore
[22:25] <a|wen> not the best sign
[22:25] <a|wen> Nightrose: try rebooting in non-recovery mode, and do a new pastebinning
[22:26] <Nightrose> i get the bootsplash and then screwy graphics
[22:26] <Nightrose> can't do anything again
[22:27] <a|wen> so X starts ... then the question is what causes the scewy graphics
[22:27] <a|wen> (hopefully the new log shows something)
[22:27] <Nightrose> i'm not sure X stars
[22:28] <Nightrose> *starts
[22:28] <a|wen> hmm, the timestamp in the log should reveal that
[22:28] <Nightrose> k sec
[22:30] <Nightrose> http://pastebin.com/nUGeSNMX
[22:32] <Quintasan> apachelogger: hngh
[22:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: no utf-8 support in that damn script?
[22:35] <a|wen> Nightrose: it confirms that X is being started, and from the log it looks to be successfully; might be some incompatible settings, that is being used, but it is hard to know, what is causing it
[22:35] <Nightrose> :/
[22:36] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1143852 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (MainWindow.cpp MainWindow.h muonui.rc) Add a "safe upgrade" feature, and stick a QAction for it in the file menu. (Useful for when you want to upgrade without removing kdebase because kdebase-data built but as arch-all but amd64 is still a bit behind)
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> they say necessity was the mother of invention ;)
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> not that I'm doing anything new there, but...
[22:38]  * JontheEchidna wanders off to play mario kart
[22:38] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Please pick a different name though.  "safe-upgrade" is something aptitude does and I don't think it's quite the same.
[22:39] <a|wen> Nightrose: you could try booting using the vesa driver ... /etc/X11/xorg.conf should look like this http://pastebin.com/v6eZX8RW
[22:40] <Nightrose> ok will try
[22:41] <Nightrose> thx
[22:48] <Nightrose> a|wen: doesn't show anything then after the bootsplash - looks like the monitor isn't getting any input
[22:51] <Quintasan> GRRR
[22:51] <Nightrose> indeed :(
[22:51] <Nightrose> mpfh
[22:52] <Nightrose> and i don't even have a clue where to look for more help
[22:52] <Nightrose> #ubuntu-x is silent
[22:52] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: any idea how to make ruby utf-8 aware?
[22:54] <a|wen> Nightrose: strange ... hope you get it fixed
[22:55] <Nightrose> nixternal: around?
[22:55] <Nightrose> you helped me with my X problem last time...
[22:55] <Nightrose> need help! :)
[22:55] <Nightrose> a|wen: yea :/  thx for trying
[23:02] <ulysses> KDE – Légy szabad!
[23:02] <ulysses> uhm, sorry
[23:07] <ulysses> the load goas a bit high:P
[23:08] <Quintasan> hmm
[23:08] <Quintasan> I think I get it now
[23:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: got that Project Neon gpg key?
[23:20] <Riddell> lex79: with creative commons licences you first have to work out which CC licence it is and whether or not it's a free one.  there's lots of CC licences and many aren't free enough for main/universe, anything noncommercial isn't free
[23:21] <lex79> ok I see thanks :)
[23:21] <Riddell> you also have to consider the version, anything CC 2.0 isn't accepted in debian for technical reasons, although ubuntu does accept it, but it's best to get upstream to change to 3.0 if possible
[23:22] <Riddell> then you just have to make sure that CC-BY-SA isn't mixing with anything GPL (e.g. can't embed a CC-BY-SA icon in a GPL app with qt resources files)
[23:22] <Riddell> because the licences are incompatible
[23:23] <lex79> btw I'm the only one that care about symbol files, and work to updating it ;) except you and JontheEchidna I think
[23:23] <Riddell> they're easy to forget, I'm not in the habit of thinking about them much of the time
[23:24] <lex79> ok now I see your email :)
[23:24] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[23:24] <_Groo_> ppl, can you guys update QT 4.7 for a mroe recent git? the current version  breaks krdc and other embedded apps
[23:26] <_Groo_> see http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-10809
[23:27] <lex79> seems not already fixed
[23:28] <_Groo_> lex79: yeah :( well have to wait a little
[23:28] <_Groo_> just informing that the current lucid backport + kde 4.5 are suffering from this bug
[23:28] <lex79> so, why we should update Qt ?
[23:28] <_Groo_> lex79: not now.. when this bug is fixed
[23:28] <lex79> ok
[23:29] <ScottK> lex79: Not the only one http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=587012
[23:29] <_Groo_> ScottK: that one breaks printer settings right?
[23:29] <ScottK> _Groo_: Not as far as I know.  It's fixed in Ubuntu in any case.
[23:30] <_Groo_> ScottK: or unrelated? i didnt look at printer settings yet
[23:30] <lex79> ScottK: right :)
[23:30] <_Groo_> ScottK: ahh kde printer setting is a deprecated symbol that was removed in 4.5
[23:30] <_Groo_> ScottK: bummer
[23:30] <_Groo_> ScottK: whos the dev on this one? is it kubuntu specific?
[23:33] <ScottK> Sort of.  It's upstream, but Riddell is the main developer.  dantii is working on a replacement.
[23:35] <_Groo_> ScottK: k ScottK [, tks
[23:36] <Riddell> hmm?
[23:37] <Riddell> system-config-printer-kde has no symbols, it's all python
[23:39] <ryanakca> Riddell: Aye, I'm heading out the door, I'll post it when I get back in about ~1:30...
[23:41] <Riddell> ryanakca: i did it already but the URL could do with being nicer
[23:57] <ScottK> Riddell: By my count kubuntu-dev has 8 direct members, so 5 is a majority.
[23:57] <ScottK> Only one more needed for lex79.