[00:00] <stlsaint> greenjon: looking into python?
[00:00] <stlsaint> greenjon: well pedro3005 is your man
[00:00] <pedro3005> I think it's an excellent source of confusion and frustration
[00:01] <stlsaint> pedro3005: LOL
[00:01] <pedro3005> and I do not feel the need for yet another beginners introduction to Python
[00:01] <stlsaint> pedro3005: today was my first time seeing it
[00:01] <pedro3005> the only possible validity of such a page on the ubuntu wiki would be if it described the integration of ubuntu and python. then, it would be a great idea (if executed properly)
[00:01] <greenjon> stlsaint: i'll have to keep that in mind >:D
[00:02] <stlsaint> pedro3005: you ever work with zope3?
[00:02] <pedro3005> never heard of that name
[00:02] <stlsaint> i heard a few weeks back then came across it today in the python wiki...hrm, might be something interesting
[00:03] <stlsaint> pedro3005: sweet.... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AllanDay
[00:04] <pedro3005> stlsaint, that's not supposed to be there is it?
[00:04] <stlsaint> pedro3005: LOL..heck no!!
[00:04] <greenjon> pedro3005: is python considered "coding" or "scripting"?
[00:05] <stlsaint> greenjon: how dare you!
[00:05] <stlsaint> greenjon: simply python is a programming language
[00:05] <pedro3005> greenjon, it _is_ a scripting language, but nevertheless you may call if coding... I don't see both terms as mutually exclusive
[00:05] <pedro3005> s/if/it/
[00:06] <stlsaint> greenjon: just about every language is a scipting language
[00:06] <stlsaint> NOT ALL are, but most
[00:06] <greenjon> hmm on another irc server i chat on, a guy corrected me and said it's scripting
[00:06] <pedro3005> uhh
[00:06] <pedro3005> stlsaint, the hell man?
[00:06] <stlsaint> que paso?
[00:06] <pedro3005> there are lots of non-scripting languages
[00:07] <stlsaint> DANG IT PEDRO!!!
[00:07] <stlsaint> i said NOT ALL are sripting!!!!!
[00:07] <stlsaint> STAY WITH ME BUDDY!!!!
[00:07] <pedro3005> most of the languages a normal person is likely to have ever heard of are not scripting languages
[00:07] <pedro3005> C (and its variations), Java, etc
[00:08] <stlsaint> well: perl, python, ruby, php,.....
[00:08] <stlsaint> pedro3005: you wanna fight?
[00:08] <stlsaint> do ya...?
[00:09] <greenjon> lol
[00:09] <pedro_> stlsaint, shit man, I didn't know you could disconnect people from freenode
[00:09] <pedro_> I'll stay out of your way :|
[00:09] <stlsaint> THATS RIGHT!
[00:10] <stlsaint> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scripting_language#Types_of_scripting_languages
[00:11] <pedro3005> stlsaint, IT'S ONNNNNNNN
[00:12] <pedro3005> according to the data in http://langpop.com/ , the three most famous languages are not scripting languages
[00:12]  * greenjon says in his best announcer voice...
[00:12] <greenjon> LLLLLLEEEEETTTTSSS GET READY TO RRRRUUUUMMMMBBLLLEEEE!!!
[00:14] <pedro3005> greenjon, anyway, do you know any language?
[00:15] <greenjon> pedro3005: used to work with vb 6 back in high school (8 years ago). haven't done any since
[00:15] <greenjon> i guess you could say i'm starting out fresh
[00:16] <pedro3005> greenjon, at least you have the concepts, like variables, if/else, etc
[00:16] <greenjon> eh i didn't do too much work with it. just couldn't wrap my head around all of it :/
[00:17] <pedro3005> greenjon, I recommend this: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html
[00:17] <stlsaint> pedro3005: i recommend the school of UBT!! :D
[00:18] <pedro3005> and don't let any Perl dude tell you Python sucks because IT ROCKS DAMN IT
[00:18] <greenjon> hehe thanks pedro3005
[00:19] <stlsaint> greenjon: theres a couple perl fellas in BT but dont let them itimidate you!!
[00:19] <stlsaint> greenjon: (they have some pretty serious itimidation powers!!)
[00:20] <greenjon> duly noted
[00:20] <stlsaint> good
[00:20] <stlsaint> alwasy stay vigilant
[00:20] <pedro3005> yeah
[00:20] <greenjon> BT being beginners team?
[00:20] <pedro3005> there might be a perl programmer in your household! ta ta ta taaaaa
[00:20] <stlsaint> greenjon: si senor
[00:20] <greenjon> k
[00:21] <greenjon> pedro3005: guaranteed to be no perl programmers around here lol
[00:21] <greenjon> i'm the only computer nut in this house
[00:21] <pedro3005> greenjon, then you are safe :D
[00:21] <greenjon> :P
[00:22] <stlsaint> greenjon: i know how you feel
[00:22] <pedro3005> +1 - only computer dude in the house
[00:22] <stlsaint> my wife runs ubuntu but she just wants it to be pretty, not code ready or anything,,,,just pretty!
[00:22] <stlsaint> and she doesnt know why she likes ubuntu aside from the fact that i like it
[00:23] <greenjon> stlsaint: lol i know what you mean. i still haven't convinced my fiancee to have a go with it even though she uses my laptop and i've got it dual booting xp and 10.04
[00:23] <stlsaint> greenjon: touche, same here
[00:25] <pedro3005> I installed ubuntu on an old laptop.. the folks use it now and then
[00:27] <stlsaint> pedro3005: hehe
[00:29] <pedro3005> stlsaint, I've been needing to get back on that bot :x
[00:29] <stlsaint> crap, man your right, i need to as well...i left off with the plugin
[00:29] <greenjon> the two of you seem to be some busy people
[00:29] <greenjon> :)
[00:30] <pedro3005> I sit around all day procrastinating
[00:31] <stlsaint> pedro3005: ive been procrastination all day today ! :D
[00:31] <pedro3005> :D
[00:31] <greenjon> sounds like me lol
[00:31] <greenjon> and being unemployed at the moment doesn't help much
[00:31] <pedro3005> we can start the procrastinating club... we'll start tomorrow
[00:31] <pedro3005> :P
[00:31] <stlsaint> LOL
[00:32] <greenjon> hehe
[00:32] <stlsaint> greenjon: well learning linux will definately make you marketable!
[00:32] <stlsaint> greenjon: id say get yourself a server or vps and start learning linux administration!
[00:32] <greenjon> hmm that would make me quite marketable
[00:33] <greenjon> never have done any server work before
[00:33] <stlsaint> you can get a nice vps off fivebean site for 20 bucks a month if or get a small server for about 120
[00:33] <greenjon> might be an interesting endeavor
[00:34] <stlsaint> greenjon: make look at jobs on craigslist just for giggles and see how all of them are looking for linux personnel
[00:34] <greenjon> lol nice
[00:36] <stlsaint> im so lazy its just stupid! :D
[00:40] <pedro3005> stlsaint, ok, I'll work on the bot first thing tomorrow!
[00:41] <pedro3005> well, no, I have to watch the world cup game. but I'll work on it _right_ after the game!
[00:50] <stlsaint> lol
[00:50] <pedro3005> I just need to outline how exactly the permissions system will work
[00:51] <pedro3005> it's a theoretical rather than practical problem
[00:52] <stlsaint> im telling ya man lets run sqlite3
[00:52] <stlsaint> lite3 or whatever that built in sql is
[00:52] <stlsaint> i forget that fast...see lazy has its downside! :D
[00:52] <pedro3005> do you know how to use it?
[00:52] <pedro3005> I'd have to learn it
[00:53] <stlsaint> pedro3005: heck no, id have to learn
[00:53] <stlsaint> i know its effective though
[00:53] <stlsaint> pedro3005: maybe we should take this to -dev...
[00:53] <stlsaint> pedro3005: i got snova talking, maybe he can shed some light
[00:54] <greenjon> what kind of bot are you guys talking about?
[00:54] <pedro3005> an IRC bot
[00:54] <stlsaint> greenjon: built with PYTHON!!! FTW!!
[00:54] <greenjon> hehe cool
[00:55] <greenjon> sounds like a fun project
[00:56] <pedro3005> greenjon, yeah, learn python quick so you can join
[00:56] <pedro3005> :P
[00:57] <greenjon> lol i don't think i could learn quick enough :(
[00:58] <stlsaint> greenjon: sure you can...its really easy
[00:59] <pedro3005> greenjon, check it out https://launchpad.net/failbot
[00:59] <stlsaint> thats why i choose to learn it....heck i dont even really know it i just pretend to! :D
[00:59] <greenjon> lol
[00:59]  * phillw or you can learn a really useful language like php --->  runs :-D
[00:59] <stlsaint> LOL
[00:59] <stlsaint> GET"EM!!
[01:00] <greenjon> ^^
[01:00]  * phillw unexpected " at line 0
[01:00] <stlsaint> whats the output error?
[01:00] <stlsaint> phillw: particular objects i mean??
[01:00] <stlsaint> :P
[01:01] <pedro3005> PHP?!!!!
[01:01] <pedro3005> you must be kidding me
[01:01] <pedro3005> phillw, go back to MySQL and leave the _real_ coders alone
[01:01] <pedro3005> :P
[01:01] <phillw> stlsaint: well, that sort of depends if what version of php.config you are suing
[01:01] <phillw> *using*
[01:02] <pedro3005> phillw, talk about frivolous lawsuit
[01:03] <phillw> php runs in both foramts http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4#p77  kinda cute :p
[01:03] <phillw> *formats*
[01:03] <stlsaint> phillw: php   geesh who are you!?!?
[01:04] <phillw> stlsaint: some one learning it :-D
[01:04] <stlsaint> hehe
[01:06] <phillw> not doing _too_ badly, got my 'AAA' badge for accessibilty, something I do not think python knows ;-)
[01:07] <phillw> http://mgjuddltd.co.uk/contact.php
[03:33] <zkriesse> phillw: PING!! Emergency!
[03:43] <ikt> what's up?
[03:44] <zkriesse> hi ikt !
[03:44] <zkriesse> ikt: a forum error on phillw's forum
[03:49] <phillw> zkriesse: there is an error with the server#
[03:49] <zkriesse> phillw: i figured
[03:49] <phillw> I am the line with the server people now
[03:50] <phillw> 24/7 support :-D
[03:51] <zkriesse> phillw: sweet
[03:51] <zkriesse> that's rockin
[05:32] <zkriesse> hey PD187
[05:32] <PD187> hello zkriesse
[05:32] <zkriesse> PD187: sorry that i deleted switch2nix
[05:33] <PD187> I should probably take it off my autojoin then.
[05:33] <zkriesse> PD187: :D
[05:33] <stlsaint> zkriesse: switch2nix?
[05:33] <zkriesse> PD187: open a pm with me and we can discuss this
[05:33] <zkriesse> stlsaint: yeah...i got rid of it
[05:33] <stlsaint> what was it?
[05:33] <stlsaint> for?
[05:33] <zkriesse> stlsaint: personal channel for me/friends
[05:34] <stlsaint> aye
[05:35] <zkriesse> stlsaint: due to my responsibilities in many channels i just can't manage keeping that up
[05:35] <stlsaint> zkriesse: how many channels do you have?
[05:36] <PD187> I have 17 in this client...
[05:36] <PD187> granted I never speak in most of them...
[05:37] <PD187> 23 on the other :O
[05:37] <zkriesse> stlsaint: you mean how many channels do i join?
[05:37] <stlsaint> manage/own
[05:37] <zkriesse> Oh, I manage #ubuntu-beginners-wiki and that's about it...
[05:38] <zkriesse> i join/take part in 18 on freenode and 1 on GIMPNet
[05:39] <stlsaint> zkriesse: you a GIMP guru?
[05:39] <PD187> Oh, manage/own?  technically 2 for me then :-\
[05:39] <zkriesse> stlsaint: I'm going to be working with the GNOME team eventually
[05:40] <stlsaint> gnome team as in doing what?
[05:40] <stlsaint> editing gnome?
[05:40] <stlsaint> zkriesse: ^
[05:41] <stlsaint> aye nevermind
[05:41] <zkriesse> editing gnome docs and such yeah
[05:41] <zkriesse> sorry..i'm checking college courses
[09:38] <that_guy_> hi, does any one here know how to install games from cd using wine?
[09:40] <that_guy_> its star wars best of pc
[09:44] <that_guy_> hello??
[10:32] <that_guy_> when i install star wars republic commando, and run it i get a blank pop up window...
[10:32] <that_guy_> help!!
[10:36] <geirha> Never heard of that game. You might have more luck in #winehq
[10:38] <that_guy_> how do i go there?
[10:39] <kermiac> that_guy_: these sites might help
[10:39] <kermiac> that_guy_: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=7255
[10:39] <kermiac> damn..
[10:39]  * kermiac goes back to watching tv
[10:54] <duanedesign> hello kermiac
[10:58] <kermiac> hey duanedesign :)
[11:01] <kermiac> duanedesign: There hasn't been many U1 bugs the last couple of days :)
[11:06] <guest999999999> morning - trying to chroot in a livecd and get chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error any help please
[11:46] <duanedesign> kermiac: are their any other packages you work on?
[12:00] <_ting_> hi
[12:00] <_ting_> anyone around ?
[12:00] <_ting_> i have a question
[12:01] <_ting_> why not can i do export in a script?
[12:01] <_ting_> bash script
[12:02] <_ting_> i have a few lines like this: export CFI_INSTALL=FULL_PATH_TO_WHATEVER
[12:21] <duanedesign> hello _ting_
[12:26] <duanedesign> _have you you figured out your BASH script?
[12:44] <_ting_> i am sorry duanedesign
[12:44] <_ting_> i was out of my computer
[12:44] <_ting_> how can i figure out my Bash Sell ?
[12:52] <duanedesign> _ting_: when you execute a script it can not effect the enviroment of the parent. That might be what you are running in to?
[12:52] <_ting_> yes
[12:53] <_ting_> i want to run a script to create and update a few env variales
[12:53] <_ting_> so is it not possible ?
[12:56] <duanedesign> _ting_: If you really want your script to affect the parent shell's environment, run the script as ./script
[12:56] <_ting_> but i am running like this
[12:56] <_ting_> using ./
[12:56] <_ting_> but not effect at all
[12:56] <_ting_> that is why i am wondering what i am doing wrong
[12:57] <duanedesign> hmm
[12:58] <duanedesign> _ting_: try:  source myscript
[12:58] <_ting_> source ?
[12:58] <_ting_> umm ok
[12:58] <_ting_> so instead of running myscript using ./, i have to run it using source ?
[12:59] <duanedesign> yeah the synonym for the source command is '.'
[12:59] <duanedesign> so instead of ./ use source
[13:00] <_ting_> ok thanks
[13:00] <duanedesign> should do the same thing. Maybe one will work
[13:00] <geirha> source myscript and source ./myscript is not the same
[13:00] <_ting_> ok
[13:00] <geirha> The first one will search for myscript in PATH
[13:01] <_ting_> it is woring now
[13:01] <_ting_> thanks duanedesign
[13:01] <geirha> The second will only look for it in the current dir
[13:01] <_ting_> now my script is working using source
[13:02] <duanedesign> ok great!
[13:02] <_ting_> now i can update and create new env. variales
[15:07] <thomas_whitaker> hello
[15:07] <hobgoblin> hello
[15:08] <thomas_whitaker> new to the site. i'm looking for some help with 10.04 netbook remix. got myself into some trouble messing with auto login
[15:09] <hobgoblin> never played with the remix - but what have you done to the login?
[15:11] <thomas_whitaker> well i just tried to change it to autologin, as opposed to password required. after reboot got a whole set of errors : could not update iceauthority file, there is a problem with the configuration server, and nautilus could not create /home/thomas/desktop...
[15:16] <thomas_whitaker> thought i was on to something here : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf/+bug/269215   but couldnt get the fix
[15:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 269215 in gconf (Ubuntu) "There is a problem with the configuration server. (/usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2 exited with status 256) (affects: 16) (dups: 3) (heat: 102)" [Medium,Incomplete]
[15:20] <hobgoblin> thomas_whitaker: have a look through this one - fairly old now - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1021106
[15:21] <hobgoblin> but you can unset the autologin thing - gksudo gedit /etc/gdm/custom.conf  and change the autologin line to False
[15:22] <thomas_whitaker> i managed to do that, changed it to false but still can not get log in to reappear. it automatically logs me in. not sure how?
[15:23] <hobgoblin> me neither then
[15:23] <hobgoblin> were all the errors you got permission ones?
[15:24] <thomas_whitaker> how can you tell if it is permission
[15:25] <hobgoblin> usually it says so I seem to remember - I have had the same thing in the past
[15:26] <thomas_whitaker> it doesnt say just grey box w/text and one option "close" for the iceauthority
[15:27] <thomas_whitaker> the nautilus error does say permissions needed
[15:28] <thomas_whitaker> i tried messing w/ sudo chmod a+rwx /tmp  but kept getting error on that command, not sure why
[15:29] <hobgoblin> did you go to the link I gave above?
[15:30] <hobgoblin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/dmrcErrors might also end up being useful
[15:33] <thomas_whitaker> i did go there but, doesn't look quite right. i don't think its dmrc either... did you click on my link? it explains my problem exactly if you go to comment  #55
[15:33] <thomas_whitaker> i can't seem to get access to /tmp
[15:37] <hobgoblin> did you try chmod and chown on the .ice authority file
[15:38] <hobgoblin> and no I didn't read the comment in the bug report - I rarely do - not so easy to see who's answering who there
[15:45] <thomas_whitaker> says ICEauthority 'no such file or directory' with chown
[15:46] <thomas_whitaker> is there any easy way to see what exactly my user name is?
[15:47] <hobgoblin> open a terminal = the prompt should say something like bert@bert-something - bert's the username
[15:49] <thomas_whitaker> that's what i thought... this looks promising http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9016355
[15:49] <hobgoblin> anyway - good luck - I'm off now - hopefully there's someone from the team awake - they are the voiced people - maybe ping one of them if no-one appears - but bear in mind we are all volunteers
[15:51] <thomas_whitaker> of course, appreciate the service
[16:02] <thomas_whitaker> is anyone able to pick up on this problem with me?
[16:13] <thomas_whitaker> my problem is described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9016355 but can't find fix
[16:33] <thomas_whitaker> anyone free to help?
[16:38] <holstein> thomas_whitaker: have you tried making a new user?
[16:39] <thomas_whitaker> no, how would i do tha
[16:39] <holstein> well, you should think about this as one of the last efforts
[16:39] <holstein> backing up your home folder
[16:39] <holstein> creating a new user
[16:40] <holstein> and deleting that one
[16:40] <thomas_whitaker> ok, this whole problem arose when i simply changed to auto login, ran some updates and booted. so really frustrating
[16:40] <holstein> yup
[16:40] <holstein> i read
[16:41] <holstein> im auto-login with no problems
[16:41] <holstein> but i did not encrypt anything
[16:41] <holstein> is this a notebook?
[16:41] <thomas_whitaker> yes
[16:41] <thomas_whitaker> toshiba nb 205
[16:41] <holstein> did you encrypt the /home?
[16:41] <holstein> at install?
[16:42] <thomas_whitaker> i think so at install
[16:42] <thomas_whitaker> i saw the thread for that, but it looks way over my head, decrypting that is
[16:42] <holstein> just curious... why would you encrpyt the home, and later want to bypass that with auto-login?
[16:43] <holstein> thats going to be the deal
[16:43] <thomas_whitaker> i didn't know what it meant to encrypt the home? it was the default setting at install if i remember
[16:43] <holstein> AH
[16:43] <holstein> could be
[16:43] <holstein> its handy for noteboos
[16:43] <holstein> books*
[16:44] <holstein> security-wise
[16:44] <holstein> well, i bet that would work
[16:44] <thomas_whitaker> so i should give this a shot you think? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#How
[16:44] <holstein> that
[16:44] <holstein> then the user thing
[16:45] <holstein> good luck
[16:45] <holstein> thats a drag
[16:47] <thomas_whitaker> yea, it was a relatively fresh install so i might just start over
[16:47] <holstein> i was going to say
[16:47] <holstein> if you dont have any data your worried about
[16:47] <holstein> a fresh install is probably just as fast
[16:48] <holstein> and this time, you can read EVERYTHING during install
[16:48] <holstein> and google the terms you dont understand
[16:48] <thomas_whitaker> and it would probably reassure me of possible later glitches
[16:49] <thomas_whitaker> haha, that's good advice. so would you say encrypt the home?
[16:49] <thomas_whitaker> i'm not worried about sensitive data
[16:49] <holstein> its a security measure
[16:49] <holstein> if someone were to steal your notebook
[16:50] <holstein> if your going to have auto-login
[16:50] <holstein> you dont need it
[16:50] <holstein> i dont usually do it
[16:51] <holstein> but i would if i had sensitive data on me netbook
[16:51] <thomas_whitaker> yea, ok well thanks for the advice.. i had another question : does ubuntu require an antivirus?
[16:51] <holstein> ubuntu doesnt require anything really
[16:52] <holstein> you mean, is ubuntu a security risk out-of-the-box like windows?
[16:52] <holstein> something you need to add antivirus to?
[16:52] <thomas_whitaker> yes
[16:53] <holstein> i urge you to read, and do research, and make your own decisions BUT
[16:53] <holstein> ive read that linux boxes running with windows boxes on the same network
[16:53] <holstein> those people usually run antivirus on the linux boxes
[16:53] <holstein> to keep them from passing something to the windows boxes
[16:54] <holstein> do i run antivirus? no
[16:54] <thomas_whitaker> ok.. ill look into it. like i said, i'm new but really like the mission of linux, not to mention the look and feel of the os
[16:55] <thomas_whitaker> so much better than windows... if it weren't for these pesky glitches
[16:55] <holstein> it gets easier
[16:58] <thomas_whitaker> thanks
[16:59] <pjarnahom> how to configure broadcom bluetooth....
[17:13] <duanedesign> pjarnahom: is it not showing up at all?
[17:15] <duanedesign> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[19:55] <_CommandeR_> Anyone got any solutiion about wubi going into c:/Windows/sysnative/bcdedit.exe instead of system32 ?
[20:10] <_CommandeR_> this = http://bayimg.com/LAncFaACg what do :(
[20:12] <phillw> _CommandeR_: I'd suggest heading over to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=313 that is the section of the main forum dedicated to wine, I don't think too many on here have experience of wine
[20:12] <_CommandeR_> phillw, Wine?
[20:12] <_CommandeR_> what
[20:12] <zkriesse> WineHQ
[20:12] <_CommandeR_> why wine :P
[20:12] <_CommandeR_> its wubi :P
[20:12] <phillw> sorry --- blonde moment !!!!
[20:12] <_CommandeR_> hahaah
[20:12] <_CommandeR_> :P
[20:12]  * phillw makes note to read more carefully :-)
[20:13] <_CommandeR_> How could you even remotely think its wine :P
[20:14] <hobgoblin> is there not a wubi channel?
[20:14] <_CommandeR_> nop... :/
[20:15] <_CommandeR_> posted recently in ubuntu forums hopes to get the wubi dev on it maybe.
[20:15] <hobgoblin> there should be a channel
[20:15] <hobgoblin> _CommandeR_: got a link?
[20:15] <thomas_whitaker> hey all, i'm back with a partition question if someone can help
[20:16] <hobgoblin> I can as I am back now :)
[20:16] <_CommandeR_> hobgoblin, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9522206#post9522206
[20:16] <edwin-sv> hi, someone have made work a plugin to see spreadsheet in IE6 inside Ubuntu (installed with PlayOnLinux)?
[20:17] <hobgoblin> _CommandeR_: don't bump it and if you've had no bites in 24 hours ping me and I will move it to general
[20:17] <_CommandeR_> hobgoblin, sure will
[20:17] <hobgoblin> unfortunately it's all the help I can give you - as I wander off muttering about wubi
[20:17] <_CommandeR_> hoes that it will get bites before the 30 or the first
[20:18] <_CommandeR_> hopes **
[20:18] <_CommandeR_> haha :P
[20:18] <_CommandeR_> getting to Roskilde Festival in few days :P
[20:18] <hobgoblin> it's an international forum - which is why we like 24 hours before a bump
[20:18] <thomas_whitaker> i have a dual boot windows/10.04 netbook remix , trying to reinstall ubuntu but can't figure out partition screen. how can i delete old version of ubuntu and replace with new
[20:19] <hobgoblin> thomas_whitaker: are you in the installer now?
[20:19] <hobgoblin> or at least the livecd
[20:24] <_CommandeR_> he ran away
[20:24] <hobgoblin> he'll be back
[20:24] <_CommandeR_> like all do :)
[20:25] <hobgoblin> simple enough issue anyway = even zack could do it without pointing at a wiki page :D
[20:25] <thomas_whitaker> commander, hobgoblin any suggesetions for me?
[20:25] <_CommandeR_> ^
[20:25] <_CommandeR_> ^^
[20:25] <Silver_Fox_> I hope so
[20:26] <hobgoblin> thomas_whitaker: yea - are you in the installler now?
[20:26] <thomas_whitaker> yes
[20:27] <hobgoblin> assuming you are - please open a terminal and paste the result of the following to paste.ubuntu.com - give us the link
[20:27] <hobgoblin> sudo fdisk -l
[20:27] <hobgoblin> thomas_whitaker: are you at the partition stage - if so pick MANUAL and hang on
[20:30] <thomas_whitaker> if i open the installer i can't access the chat room
[20:31] <hobgoblin> not ethernet then?
[20:32] <thomas_whitaker> wait a tic, think i got it
[20:33] <thomas_whitaker> Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x22a222a2     Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System /dev/sda1   *           1        9604    77142386    7  HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda2           
[20:34] <thomas_whitaker> wait thats not right
[20:34] <zkriesse> !pastebin | thomas_whitaker
[20:34] <ubot2> thomas_whitaker: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[20:34] <hobgoblin> thomas_whitaker: I think we been there before :D
[20:35] <hobgoblin> I gave you the paste.ubuntu.com adress a few lines up
[20:35] <thomas_whitaker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/456554/
[20:35] <thomas_whitaker> sorry sorry
[20:36] <hobgoblin> thomas_whitaker: k -all cool - start the installer go to manual partitioning
[20:36] <thomas_whitaker> ok im there
[20:36] <hobgoblin> when you have the next window open - pick sda5 - then close to bottom of window - edit partition
[20:37] <hobgoblin> opens new window - use as drop down - ext4 - mount point drop down - pick / - then exit that window
[20:37] <hobgoblin> partition window refreshes - make sure that sda5 has ext and / against it
[20:38] <thomas_whitaker> i have change, delete, revert as options
[20:38] <hobgoblin> what?
[20:38] <hobgoblin> never had that - ever in hundreds of installs
[20:39] <thomas_whitaker> if i click manual partitions (advanced) then click forward
[20:39] <hobgoblin> thomas_whitaker: unless you'd already started the process and are now changing it I guess
[20:40] <hobgoblin> yea - must be in manual partitioning
[20:40] <thomas_whitaker> i have new partition table, add, change delete revert
[20:40] <thomas_whitaker> i shouldn't be there?
[20:41] <hobgoblin> thomas_whitaker: I have no idea what you did before you got there - you can just exit the installer and start again = though I'd appreciate a screenshot
[20:43] <thomas_whitaker> http://imagebin.org/103192
[20:43] <hobgoblin> thomas_whitaker: go back and pick manual
[20:44] <hobgoblin> thomas_whitaker: ty for the screenie - picture paints a thousand words
[20:45] <hobgoblin> Bodsda: hi to you - long time no speaky :)
[20:46] <thomas_whitaker> hobgoblin: this is prev sn http://imagebin.org/103194
[20:46] <thomas_whitaker> if i click manual it takes me to first screen shot
[20:46] <hobgoblin> mmm - k exit the installer then - start it up again
[20:51] <hobgoblin> thomas_whitaker: hang on - that is right - sorry long day - select sda5 and then change - I'm sure it used to say edit
[20:52] <hobgoblin> better to be safe in the end I guess :) you;d swear if I lost your windows ...
[20:52] <hobgoblin> ooh - run away :(
[20:53] <hobgoblin> welcome back - thought you hated me :)
[20:54] <thomas_whitaker> sorry hobgoblin, disconnected : ok so i selected change on the sda5
[20:56] <hobgoblin> thomas_whitaker: in the use as box - pick ext4, in the mountpoint box pick / and tick the format box
[20:57] <thomas_whitaker> done
[20:58] <hobgoblin> exit - save or whatever the prompt is now
[20:58] <thomas_whitaker> ok back at main partition screen
[20:59] <hobgoblin> sda5 should have / ext4 and format enabled
[20:59] <hobgoblin> nothing else should have anything against it
[21:00] <thomas_whitaker> roger that
[21:00] <hobgoblin> k - forward
[21:01] <thomas_whitaker> so just to double check you know what im trying to do right? just replace an old copy of ubuntu with new
[21:03] <hobgoblin> we are installing the new one over the top of the old one = the original install was on sda5  - we have juts told the installer to format that partition, use it as ext4 (filetype) and install the root system to that partition
[21:03] <hobgoblin> thomas_whitaker: I was playing with the minimal today doing the same thing about 6 times ...
[21:03] <hobgoblin> kept entering at the worng time instead of tab ;)
[21:04] <thomas_whitaker> hob: this whole issue arose because i tried to switch to auto log in with a decrypted home file and the system didn't like it. any recc for log in specs
[21:05] <Bodsda> hey hobgoblin :)
[21:06] <hkc94501> I want to mount a filesystem on /home but I am having difficulty getting a consistent copy of the current contents of /home onto the new filesystem.  I used rsync -a to copy to the new filesystem, then I added the new mount to /etc/fstab but when I rebooted with the new filesystem in place Gnome reported inconsistencies and would not start.
[21:07] <Bodsda> hkc94501: define 'inconsistencies'
[21:08] <hkc94501> I got some error dialogs popping up when Gnome was starting.  I would have to do it again and take notes to say exactly what, sorry for the poor information.
[21:09] <Bodsda> hkc94501: no worries, the likelihood is that gnome is looking for things like Xauthority Xdefaults etc.
[21:09] <thomas_whitaker> hobgoblin : system installing now, thanks for your help, your a gentleman and a scholar
[21:09] <hobgoblin> thomas_whitaker: I did catch the scrollback on that - I was here for a short while earlier with you
[21:09] <hobgoblin> thomas_whitaker: you are welcome :)
[21:09] <hkc94501> I'm thinking that I should probably do the rsync from single user mode (Does ubuntu do single user mode?  I'm an old Unix guy and don't speak Linux too well.;-))
[21:11] <Bodsda> hkc94501: it would be useful to have those error messages though. The issue is not with the destination of the old /home, but of the config files that it is expecting to be in ~/
[21:11] <_CommandeR_> Guys, how do you make an entry in grub to for example start in terminal mode only and launch a server application ?
[21:12] <hkc94501> Bosada: thanks.  I think I will try doing the rsync from recovery mode so Gnome isn't running.  If I still have trouble I will come back with detailed messages.  Many thanks!
[21:13] <Bodsda> _CommandeR_: you would change the default selection to be recovery mode (single user as kernel boot option) then launch the service/app as a startup program
[21:13] <Bodsda> hkc94501: see you soon :)
[21:13] <_CommandeR_> hm but will this startup also go upp when i launch in normal mode Bodsda ?
[21:14] <Bodsda> _CommandeR_: quite probably
[21:14] <_CommandeR_> Hm, but is there no way to make it when i only launch it in grub?
[21:15] <Bodsda> _CommandeR_: I would suggest not doing this from grub, but do it based upon user login, that way you can specify startup apps per user
[21:15] <_CommandeR_> hm, because i want to make an srcds linux server on my laptop.
[21:16] <Bodsda> srcds?
[21:16] <_CommandeR_> Valve Source server
[21:17] <Bodsda> *shrugs* :) - _CommandeR_ have you thought about having another installation on the same drive. That way you could have different startup apps based on grub selections
[21:18] <_CommandeR_> Bodsda, hm, there should be a way though, My friend had a same server by just lauching it in grub menu that entered a terminal.
[21:18] <Bodsda> _CommandeR_: lets have a quick google then... one sec
[21:20] <Bodsda> _CommandeR_: does it have to be before the user logs on?
[21:20] <_CommandeR_> would be great if it would :)
[21:21] <hobgoblin> I was in one that like recently on the forum
[21:21] <_CommandeR_> about this ?
[21:22] <hobgoblin> http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519013you might get some ideas following this one
[21:22] <hobgoblin> the one I was in I closed ;)
[21:22] <_CommandeR_> you are gold :)
[21:23] <edwin-sv> someone have made work a plugin to see spreadsheet in IE6 inside Ubuntu (installed with PlayOnLinux)?
[21:24] <_CommandeR_> hobgoblin, hm but still no answer to his questions.
[21:24] <Bodsda> this is rediculous.... if ubuntu didnt balls up the single user mode
[21:24] <_CommandeR_> Bodsda, what do you mean ?
[21:25] <Bodsda> _CommandeR_: there used to be a default grub line that just dropped to text mode. No GUI, which would have been perfect here
[21:26] <hobgoblin> make a custom one perhaps then make it default
[21:26] <_CommandeR_> in grub.cfg?
[21:26] <Bodsda> could do, if grub didnt balls up their config file :)
[21:27] <hobgoblin> Bodsda: works fine here :)
[21:27] <Bodsda> meun.lst is the old one, that was magic, grub.cfg is a mess and I can't enthuse myself to learn it
[21:27] <hobgoblin> _CommandeR_: no - make it in the 40_custom file
[21:27] <hobgoblin> Bodsda: I totally agree with that
[21:27] <hobgoblin> I've only bothered with a few bits of grub2
[21:28] <_CommandeR_> hobgoblin, Say what now?
[21:28]  * Bodsda would edit grub.cfg, but he loves messing with conf files
[21:29] <hobgoblin> _CommandeR_: add it to /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[21:29] <hobgoblin> Bodsda: which is fine till there's agrub update
[21:29] <_CommandeR_> what should i add there ?
[21:30] <hobgoblin> tyry adding whatever was the old line that Bodsda is talking about
[21:30] <Bodsda> baah, edit the main one :)
[21:30] <_CommandeR_> Bodsda, what whas the line you were talking a but ?
[21:32] <Bodsda> _CommandeR_: the line already exists (it is called 'recovery mode')
[21:33] <hobgoblin> Bodsda: oic - you want the old one without the root menu
[21:36] <_CommandeR_> Bodsda, recoverymode gives me a nice menu to select few things etc. You mean by Root "drop to root shell prompt" ?
[21:40] <hobgoblin> _CommandeR_: keep an eye out for drs305 on here - he might well know how to do that with grub2 if no-one else pisk it up
[21:40] <hobgoblin> I'm off now - night all
[21:41] <_CommandeR_> night oi/
[21:43] <Bodsda> _CommandeR_: yeah, that interactove bollacks is how they screwed that up, it used to drop straight to a shell prompt rather then that menu
[21:43] <_CommandeR_> hm
[22:03] <_CommandeR_> Bodsda, hm i did a menu entry, now i need to launch linux without gdm etc.
[22:30] <hkc94501> Bosada: Thanks for the help earlier about mounting a filesystem on /home.  Problem turned out to be that there was an additional home directory on the mounted filesystem.  So the result of the mount was not /home/username but /home/home/username  so no surprise that things couldn't find their configuration files.  Everything's working now that I removed that extra directory.