[00:07] <flan> daker, pong.
[00:08] <daker> did you saw the mockup ? http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=102416
[00:09] <flan> I did. But, as I mentioned, I think we're envisioning rather different scopes.
[00:10] <flan> I'll be taking some of your layout and formatting ideas, of course, but this isn't intended to be a public resource.
[00:10] <daker> oki
[00:10] <flan> It's just a part of the backend system for Quickshot. Most installations will only really have one or two projects.
[00:11] <daker> oki
[00:11] <flan> Your mockup will probably be really useful as a starting point for the quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org page, though.
[00:11] <flan> Since that'll feature a whole bunch of unrelated projects in a single place.
[00:12] <flan> Once we start work on allowing other groups to advertise through the bulletin-board-like system
[00:14] <flan> I like how you were using space in the mockup, though. I'll definitely try to reflect that when I start tweaking things again.
[00:14] <flan> Thanks. :)
[00:16] <daker> you are welcome
[00:49] <zkriesse> hey guys got a question
[00:49] <zkriesse> how do i make my own branch that i could push stuff up to for my own project?
[00:51] <brandonj> for you personally or for a project?
[00:52] <brandonj> either way you go to the "Code" page on Launchpad for either you, or your project and pick 'register new branch' I think
[00:53] <zkriesse> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-beginners-wiki-sod
[00:53] <zkriesse> it's my project
[00:53] <brandonj> yeah so go to "Code" at the top
[00:53] <zkriesse> I have two pdf's but instead of changing then deleting and re-uploading the new version i'd like to be able to just push it
[00:54] <zkriesse> register a branch?
[00:54] <brandonj> i think so
[00:54] <brandonj> I've never actually done it myself though
[00:55] <zkriesse> sweet
[00:56] <brandonj> afk for a couple hours
[00:56] <zkriesse> ok now just gotta figure out how to add the file
[00:56] <zkriesse> later
[00:57] <daker> zkriesse, just create a folder
[00:57] <zkriesse> daker: where
[00:57] <zkriesse> daker: in my projects folder?
[00:58] <daker> yes
[00:58] <daker> if you want
[00:58] <daker> then $ cd /to/this/folder
[00:58] <daker> then do
[00:58] <daker> $ bzr init
[00:59] <zkriesse> ok done
[00:59] <zkriesse> i did that now what
[00:59] <daker> add your files in this folder
[01:00] <zkriesse> oh ok
[01:00] <daker> then $ bzr commit -m "type here what you have done"
[01:00] <zkriesse> ok
[01:02] <zkriesse> it said no changes to commit
[01:02] <daker> oupps
[01:02] <daker> $ bzr add
[01:03] <zkriesse> I've got two .tex files for two different pdf's
[01:03] <zkriesse> should i make two separate folders in the main folder or?
[01:04] <daker> it dependent on you
[01:04] <zkriesse> well how do i push the files up there
[01:04] <zkriesse> i did the bzr add
[01:04] <zkriesse> do i do bzr commit?
[01:04] <daker> $ bzr commit -m "type here what you have done"
[01:05] <daker> yes
[01:05] <zkriesse> and then bzr push
[01:05] <zkriesse> right?
[01:06] <daker> $ bzr push --use-existing-dir lp:your branch here
[01:07] <zkriesse> I was just going to ask what to type
[01:07] <zkriesse> lol it gave me an error
[01:07] <daker> paste here
[01:08] <zkriesse> think i got it
[01:08] <zkriesse> one sec
[01:09] <daker> it works
[01:09] <daker> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-beginners-wiki/ubuntu-beginners-wiki-sod/main
[01:10] <daker> your branch is being updated
[01:10] <zkriesse> ok
[01:11] <zkriesse> it didn't update my pdf though
[01:11] <zkriesse> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-beginners-wiki-sod
[01:11] <daker> no
[01:11] <zkriesse> i'm trying to update the Filing Wiki Bugs
[01:11] <daker> it will not update your pdfs
[01:12] <daker> you should do it your self
[01:12] <zkriesse> oh
[01:12] <zkriesse> well that's what i wanted to do
[01:12] <zkriesse> is there a way i can do that?
[01:13] <daker> you want just by updating the tex files in your branch then the pdfs will be update ?
[01:14] <zkriesse> I was hoping to
[01:14] <zkriesse> Guess not?
[01:14] <daker> i think so
[01:15] <zkriesse> cause it's not
[01:16] <daker> launchpad can't do that
[01:16] <zkriesse> ok
[01:16] <zkriesse> well i was hoping to do it like the ubuntu manual
[01:16] <zkriesse> do i have to merge the two pdf's into one first?
[01:19] <daker> really i don't know much more, you should ask godbyk or godbyk-android, he is Mr TEX :)
[01:20] <zkriesse> godbyk-android: HELP!
[01:33] <zkriesse> godbyk-android: HELP!
[01:33] <zkriesse> brandonj: ping
[01:34] <zkriesse> brandonj: wait never mind sorry
[01:52] <zkriesse> daker: ok i think i got it...just it wont let me commit the change
[01:53] <zkriesse> daker: i try and it goes
[01:53] <zkriesse> zach@zach-desktop:~/Projects/main$ bzr commit
[01:53] <zkriesse> Committing to: /home/zach/Projects/main/
[01:53] <zkriesse> aborting commit write group: PointlessCommit(No changes to commit)
[01:53] <zkriesse> bzr: ERROR: No changes to commit. Use --unchanged to commit anyhow.
[01:53] <daker> it says that you did't make any changes on your files
[01:53] <zkriesse> well i did
[01:53] <daker> what you did ?
[01:53] <zkriesse> i edited like three or four lines
[01:54] <daker> you are sure ?
[01:54] <zkriesse> yes
[01:54] <daker> ok
[01:54] <zkriesse> I know when I'm editing something
[01:54] <daker> bzr add
[01:55] <daker> then  $ bzr commit --unchanged -m "type your changes here"
[01:55] <daker> then
[01:55] <daker> $ bzr push lp:your branch here
[01:56] <daker> without the --use-existing-dir
[02:03] <daker> http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/06/18/first-made-for-torrent-drama-series-pioneer-one/
[02:14] <daker> night all
[02:24] <zkriesse> godbyk-android: u there?
[02:26] <brandonj> whats your issue, zkriesse
[02:26] <zkriesse> brandonj: it's the branch thing...the thing you couldn't help with
[02:26] <brandonj> what thing
[02:27] <zkriesse> commiting/pushing my edit(s) of my own .tex file to a branch on lp for my project to update the pdf file
[02:27] <brandonj> what didn't work
[02:28] <brandonj> or what doesn't work, I should say
[02:28] <zkriesse> It wouldn't update the pdf
[02:28] <zkriesse> it would push but not update
[02:28] <brandonj> it probably can't read changes in the pdf because it isn't plain text
[02:29] <brandonj> if you want to distribute a pdf that way you probably have to get everybody else to build it from the .tex
[02:29] <zkriesse> oh
[02:29] <zkriesse> Well i'm not going to worry about it...at least not for now..i'll just edit it when it needs editing, change it to a pdf and upload it to lp
[02:30] <brandonj> ok
[02:30] <zkriesse> thanks though
[02:30] <brandonj> no problem
[05:46] <godbyk-sagan> Okay. Have checked into the hotel and have eaten dinner. Let's see what I've missed.
[05:47] <zkriesse> godbyk-sagan: I need some help!
[05:50] <godbyk-sagan> Hey, zkriesse. What's up?
[05:50] <zkriesse> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-beginners-wiki-sod
[05:50] <zkriesse> On there I've got a pdf
[05:51] <zkriesse> I want to be able to push edits up to it like we do for the ubuntu manual
[05:51] <zkriesse> How do i set that up?
[05:52] <godbyk-sagan> zkriesse: Well, the way we do it, is I manually run a shell script I wrote that generates the PDFs and uploads them to my webserver.
[05:52] <godbyk-sagan> So it's not the best process by any metric.
[05:52] <zkriesse> oh so i cant do it then?
[05:53] <godbyk-sagan> Does Launchpad's build server let you build PDFs from LaTeX?
[05:53] <zkriesse> where is that
[05:53] <godbyk-sagan> I have no idea.
[05:53] <zkriesse> hm
[05:53] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins may know. He's the one who's created PPAs for us in the past.
[05:53] <zkriesse> ok
[05:53] <zkriesse> I'll ask him when he comes on
[05:53] <zkriesse> thanks
[05:54] <godbyk-sagan> Or poke around the Launchpad help or Google for 'launchpad build (server OR service)" or something like that.
[05:55] <godbyk-sagan> If their build server doesn't support LaTeX, you might see if Launchpad's API supports uploads.  That is, can one write a script that uploads the latest PDF you build to Launchpad and set it as the current download (and deprecate the previous downloads).
[05:55] <godbyk-sagan> Most of what we do in the Ubuntu Manual Project is hacked together. :-)
[05:56] <zkriesse> ah
[05:56] <zkriesse> ok
[05:57] <godbyk-sagan> brb
[06:04] <godbyk-sagan> Back.
[06:45] <godbyk-android> godbyk-sagan: beep
[06:49] <godbyk-android> godbyk-sagan: beep again
[06:49] <godbyk-sagan> That's better.  xchat now beeps (as opposed to playing horrid white noise).
[06:49] <godbyk-sagan> I had to tell xchat to use paplay to play the sounds.  Its auto-detection scheme must be faulty of something.
[06:54] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: urgh, i dislike xchat, i prefer irssi, the commandline irc client
[06:54] <godbyk-sagan> nisshh: yeah, I haven't used irssi much yet.
[06:55] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: you should try it again, its really quick and easy to use, and you can easily log channels and query people
[06:55] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: setup autojoins and themes and everything
[06:55] <godbyk-sagan> themes? isn't it a terminal-based app? what kinds of themes are there?
[06:57] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: here: http://www.irssi.org/themes
[06:57] <nisshh> there are hundreds
[06:57] <godbyk-sagan> are they just different color schemes? or is there more to a theme than color?
[06:58] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: mostly color since its the terminal not a gui app, but also various things like right aligned nicks and different nick colors
[06:59] <nisshh> you can also load your own scripts written in pearl
[06:59] <nisshh> things that provide extra functionality and stuff
[07:00] <godbyk-sagan> gotcha.
[07:00] <nisshh> yea
[07:00] <godbyk-sagan> yeah, you can load scripts with xchat, too.
[07:00] <nisshh> also, some themes use different formatting when it comes to some of the commands and displaying things
[07:01] <nisshh> oh, you can, ok
[07:03] <godbyk-sagan> how's irssi compare to smuxi?
[07:03] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: the other benefit of irssi is that you can use it with screen
[07:03] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: never heard of smuxi
[07:04] <godbyk-sagan> Per the pkg description in Synaptic: Smuxi is an irssi-inspired, flexible, user-friendly and cross-platform IRC client for sophisticated users, targeting the GNOME desktop.
[07:04] <godbyk-sagan> Looks almost like a GUI wrapped around irssi.
[07:05] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: just looked at the features list for it and it looks like irssi with twitter support
[07:05] <nisshh> so unless you want to use twitter and irc at the same time, there is not much difference
[07:07] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: looks, alot like a gui wrapped around irssi actually
[07:07] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: do you prefer a gui or the command-line
[07:09] <godbyk-sagan> nisshh: Most of what I do is on the command-line.
[07:09] <godbyk-sagan> nisshh: But if i'm using GUI-like stuff, why not use a real GUI?
[07:09] <godbyk-sagan> (e.g., tabs, windows, etc.)
[07:11] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: yea, but dont you find the terminal way more efficient?
[07:12] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: plus, now that iv used the terminal for so long i find most gui's pretty clunky
[07:13] <godbyk-sagan> I do use the command line for nearly everything.
[07:13] <godbyk-sagan> I guess it all depends on how well irsii works.
[07:13] <nisshh> like i fond that i could go and change 100 settings in the preferences for an app, or i could just start it with some commandline parameters instead
[07:13] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: well, how many channels do you normally sit in?
[07:14] <godbyk-sagan> It depends on what project(s) I'm active in at the time.
[07:15] <nisshh> right, on average?
[07:15] <godbyk-sagan> It can be anywhere from 4-10 channels.
[07:15] <nisshh> ok
[07:15] <godbyk-sagan> (I try to keep it to the lower end of that range.)
[07:15] <nisshh> does xchat have keyboard shortcuts to switch channels?
[07:16] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: also, you can do heaps of things with irssi, like log different messages and outputs to other terminals, log files, or windows
[07:17] <godbyk-sagan> I'm not sure if I can jump directly to a particular channel or not.  I usually use Ctrl+PgUp and Ctrl+PgDn to switch between them (or use the mouse.)
[07:17] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: right
[07:17] <nisshh> in irssi, you can use alt + number to switch channels
[07:17] <nisshh> like in firefox
[07:18] <nisshh> plus, irssi has support for being able to sit in more than 20 channels at once
[07:19] <godbyk-sagan> looks like xchat supports the Alt+[number] to jump to a specific tab, too.
[07:19] <nisshh> ah ok
[07:20] <godbyk-sagan> I'd never tried it before.
[07:21] <godbyk-sagan> I'll give irssi a shot.  We'll see how it goes.
[07:21] <godbyk-sagan> I may have to pester you for help occasionally.
[07:21] <godbyk-sagan> (Due to my laziness.)
[07:21] <godbyk-sagan> For now, I think I'm going to head to bed.
[07:21] <godbyk-sagan> I have to get up early tomorrow for this conference.
[07:22] <nisshh> ok, gnight then :)
[07:22]  * nisshh doesnt mind being pestered
[07:24] <godbyk-sagan> Cool.
[07:24] <godbyk-sagan> G'night!
[07:31] <zkriesse> hi thorwil
[07:32] <thorwil> good morning! :)
[07:32] <zkriesse> well it's 1:30 am for me
[08:53] <zkriesse> brandonj: ping
[08:57] <zkriesse> hey guys, I fixed bug https://code.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/599084 and i committed/pushed it up to lp. when i open up the pdf of the manual though it doesn't have the updated field
[08:57] <zkriesse> am i doing something wrong?
[09:00] <zkriesse> ok...if ya guys figure it out let me know via memoserv
[09:00] <zkriesse> I need to go to bed
[09:00]  * zkriesse out
[10:05] <thorwil> http://leonardof.org/2010/06/28/using-mallard-for-general-purpose-documentation/
[10:14] <humphreybc> we need to decide on something soon
[10:18] <thorwil> humphreybc: while i intend to stay out of that decisions, i wonder if it couldn't be tackled on a by-tags basis
[10:18] <thorwil> if you know what tags (and this structure) you need, you can compare with the existing standards
[10:19] <thorwil> even going with something custom that has overlap with docbook and co, but is not identical, could be an option
[10:38] <ubuntujenkins> morning
[10:40] <thorwil> hi shrini, ubuntujenkins
[10:40] <ubuntujenkins> hey thorwil
[11:05] <humphreybc> thorwil: yes, well I'm staying out of the decision as well
[11:05] <humphreybc> I don't know enough about documentation formats to be useful
[11:05] <humphreybc> I just want us to choose something soon and get work underway :)(
[11:05] <ubuntujenkins> same
[11:20] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: you use pidgin for irc right?
[11:20] <humphreybc> indeed
[11:20] <ubuntujenkins> I have started using it and have a few questions
[11:20] <humphreybc> fire away
[11:20] <ubuntujenkins> can you make the buddy list a chat tab?
[11:21] <ubuntujenkins> how do you tell if people are away on irc?
[11:21] <humphreybc> I don't think so
[11:21] <humphreybc> I don't think you can
[11:21]  * humphreybc having never used anything else except Pidgin, doesn't miss those features
[11:22] <ubuntujenkins> if I close all of the chat tabs, i have them set for me to stay in the irc channel. how do i open all of them again?
[11:22] <ubuntujenkins> I have 9 at least. I don't want to click each one to open them again
[11:23] <humphreybc> also, not sure
[11:23] <humphreybc> I'm only in one or two channels max at any one time :P
[11:23] <humphreybc> have you looked in the plugins?
[11:24] <ubuntujenkins> yea i use a few of them already to get the functionality of xchat. I would like everything working out of the me menu you see
[11:25] <ubuntujenkins> I will see if i can find any more
[11:25] <humphreybc> ah
[11:25] <humphreybc> yes
[11:26] <ubuntujenkins> really the irc away one is the most important missing feature.
[11:26] <humphreybc> yes
[11:26] <humphreybc> that would be handy
[11:35] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: i doubt all the hassle of not using xchat (or perhaps irssi if you want a client running on a server) is worth it
[11:36] <humphreybc> yes
[11:36] <humphreybc> and it's way prettier
[11:36] <ubuntujenkins> thorwil: we will have to see, I only have one thing left to find the away thing. I don't have a sever to run irc on :(
[11:37] <humphreybc> especially if you use the new elementary icon theme for it
[11:37] <ubuntujenkins> it is shiney, already use that theme
[11:48] <humphreybc> daker: The site is nearing completion :)
[11:48] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ump-index.png
[11:49] <humphreybc> just working on the pictograms for the nav bar and other places around the site with the design team
[11:50] <daker> great!!!
[11:51] <humphreybc> I also have a Quickshot site almost finished for you to start work on in the meantime, if you want
[11:51] <humphreybc> It's only three pages
[11:51] <daker> oki
[11:51] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: what does it look like?
[11:53] <humphreybc> you haven't seen it yet, have you?
[11:53] <daker> me no :)
[11:53] <ubuntujenkins> i might have done
[11:53] <humphreybc> give me a sec
[11:54] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/quickshot-pngs.zip
[11:54] <humphreybc> It needs a bit of fine tuning re: colours and icons
[11:55] <daker> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual-website/ubuntu-manual-website/0.3
[11:59] <daker> nice humphreybc
[11:59] <humphreybc> daker: thanks. I'll touch some things up, make any changes that the Quickshot guys want and then flick you over the PSD.
[12:00] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: we need to set up an e-mail in which people can contact is or point that link to the launchpad answer system. only members of the quickshot team can mail that list
[12:00] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: the colours are gowing on ome
[12:00] <ubuntujenkins> 8me
[12:00] <ubuntujenkins> *me
[12:01] <humphreybc> What I'm going to do is actually use some contact forms, instead of email addresses
[12:01] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: gray, orange and aqua?
[12:01] <ubuntujenkins> yea, was not a fan of it at first
[12:01] <humphreybc> It's a beautiful colour scheme :)
[12:01] <humphreybc> I actually wanted to make the Quickshot site darker, but it didn't really work
[12:02] <humphreybc> I'd like to get lots of animations in there
[12:02] <humphreybc> basically, when you change page, the left hand side of the content area will fade in and out, but everything else including the nav bar, image on the right (that *could* fade too) and the footer will stay constant.
[12:02] <ubuntujenkins> can we get the contact form to mail to several people?
[12:02] <humphreybc> Same for the UMP website. daker will have to use some javascript magic
[12:02] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: yep, easy
[12:02] <ubuntujenkins> I guessed it would be
[12:12] <daker> ubuntujenkins, yes we can
[12:13] <ubuntujenkins> I might see if i can make my e-mail auto forward the contact form ones to the mailing list
[12:13] <ubuntujenkins> should be easy to do
[12:14] <c7p> daker, there are some parts of the website that need translation and there are no strings for them on lp. Could you do something for it ?
[12:15] <daker> c7p, everything we be fine in the 0.3 version
[12:15] <daker> will*
[12:15] <c7p> daker, ok thx
[12:15] <daker> i have just stared working on
[12:15] <c7p> ok
[12:16] <c7p> I think it will take some time
[12:17] <daker> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/0.3
[12:17] <c7p> Could you add only one string the "We're sorry, but the language you have selected ..." paragraph to lp ?
[12:18] <daker> i'll fix those strings
[12:18] <c7p> ok thx :)
[13:25] <ubuntujenkins> the quickshot ui is getting there hopefully some more screenshots soon
[13:25] <daker> humphreybc, http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/lucidtimeline.jpg nice :)
[13:35] <humphreybc> heh
[13:35] <humphreybc> Are you browsing through files?
[13:37] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ump-index.png
[13:48] <humphreybc> daker: what do you think?
[13:49] <daker> humphreybc, yes :)
[13:49] <daker> nice
[14:00] <humphreybc> daker: did you see the quickshot site?
[14:00] <daker> yes
[14:00] <humphreybc> Do you want me to send you the PSD for that so you can start?
[14:01] <daker> one question, where is the QS logo ?
[14:02] <humphreybc> they're getting a new one
[14:02] <humphreybc> if thorwil or vish get around to designing one
[14:02] <humphreybc> I might have a play later on
[14:02] <ubuntujenkins> the current one is in lp:quickshot in the media file
[14:02] <humphreybc> but I'll put that in once we get one
[14:02] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: yeah, the current one sucks
[14:02] <ubuntujenkins> It could do with changing but we cna use that as a place hoder for now
[14:03] <humphreybc> I'll make a better one
[14:03] <ubuntujenkins> I keep trying to think of ideas but nothing good yet
[14:03] <humphreybc> yeah
[14:07] <humphreybc> so ubuntujenkins, feedback on the Quickshot site please
[14:07] <humphreybc> you're the Quickshot team leader
[14:09] <ubuntujenkins> I would say flan and i are joint leaders but thats not relevent
[14:09] <ubuntujenkins> we need a few more pages, how to use quickshot for your project
[14:09] <ubuntujenkins> help page
[14:10] <humphreybc> hm
[14:10] <humphreybc> okay
[14:10] <ubuntujenkins> The words Home Install Get Involved anc Contact should be spelt with a captital at the start
[14:10] <humphreybc> awwh
[14:11] <humphreybc> don't pull the capital card
[14:11] <humphreybc> they're lowercase for a reason :)
[14:11] <ubuntujenkins> :P filing bugs what we want from a bug report page
[14:11] <ubuntujenkins> why?
[14:11] <humphreybc> because it looks cool
[14:12] <humphreybc> the project is badass and badass projects have their menus in lowercase
[14:12] <ubuntujenkins> right
[14:12] <ubuntujenkins> otherwise thats all i can think off
[14:13] <ubuntujenkins> at the moment anyway
[14:17] <ubuntujenkins> still a bit unsure on the colours
[14:25] <daker> youtube with the vuvuzela button
[14:25] <daker> \o/
[14:29] <daker> http://mashable.com/2010/06/24/youtube-vuvuzela-button/
[14:53] <daker> humphreybc, we were discussing last time about a forum
 guys!!! do you think we should install a forum for the project ? forum.ubuntu-manual.org ?
 yes for sure
 or the ML is enough ?
[14:53] <daker> * dutchie dislikes fora
 well it helps very much, you don't have to search through the whole mess of messages to find some useful info, everything is categorized
 some people like them
 not for me
 c7p, +1
 on the forum we can have different sections for translators, editors, developers future plans etc ;)
 subsections too
[14:56] <ubuntujenkins> I suggested the additon of a docs section to the current ubuntu forums
[14:59] <humphreybc> hmm
[14:59] <humphreybc> I could ask for a sub forum on ubuntuforums.org
[14:59] <ubuntujenkins> I did also point out that we don't have much mailing list traffic at the moment
[15:00] <humphreybc> I don't think we need our own forum
[15:00] <humphreybc> we don't really even need our own planet
[15:01] <ubuntujenkins> I like the idea but agree that it is probably not needed yet
[15:08] <daker> oki
[15:12] <daker> humphreybc, oki send me the psd
[15:12] <humphreybc> daker: okay
[15:23] <ubuntujenkins> flan: I am doing a choose a project page for quickshot what boxes do you think i can add? Its currently very boring http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/91516/quickshot_015_TxvC7Z.png
[15:26] <ubuntujenkins> apart form an import file button
[15:28] <daker> it would be great if you an do the project listing like GC do it
[15:28] <flan> GC?
[15:28] <daker> a treeview i think instead of a listview
[15:28] <daker> Ground Control
[15:29] <ubuntujenkins> I will install gc and look at how it does it
[15:29] <flan> Yeah, that could be helpful.
[15:30] <flan> Remember that we need multiple entry points, though. (Just in case this screen isn't currently intended to be shown after the user clicks some sort of "What projects need my help?" button)
[15:32] <ubuntujenkins> this screen will also come up in a prefences menu of some form
[15:32] <flan> What would it be doing there?
[15:33] <ubuntujenkins> I thought you said you wanted it there .  I don't recal why
[15:34] <ubuntujenkins> what do you mean by "multiple entry points"? it will appear  after a what project needs help button
[15:36] <humphreybc> vish: ping
[15:37] <flan> The user has to be able to launch a session by choosing a recently opened project (~/.quickshot/recent_projects), a local .qsproj file, a URL, or the bulletin board service.
[15:38] <flan> I don't recall anything about a preferences menu being related to project-selection, unless we were to use it to apply filters.
[15:39] <daker> ubuntujenkins, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44939107/bug_GC1.6.png
[15:39] <ubuntujenkins> well each project will be allowed to specify the user account name so recent projects will only work if projects choose the same user name
[15:39] <ubuntujenkins> we could add a remove user fearute
[15:40] <flan> This is based on the notion of requiring all users to create an account with the name 'quickshot', right?
[15:40] <flan> Is that really necessary?
[15:41] <flan> It may be for UMP, but I can't see every project needing that.
[15:41] <ubuntujenkins> daker: yea that could use that it might take up to much screen space as people may be seeing on small resolutions
[15:41] <flan> A separate user should be strongly recommended, since the commands to be run are supplied by an external party, but most projects won't likely need to care if the user account is consistently named or not.
[15:41] <ubuntujenkins> flan: i think the default user name would be quickshot but it should be an option for the user name to be sepcified some where.
[15:42] <daker> ubuntujenkins, you can add icons ?
[15:43] <ubuntujenkins> flan: I suppose some projects will not need to switch users
[15:43] <flan> I'd imagine that most projects wouldn't. My argument is for including that feature in the UMP-specific patches we'll be maintaining.
[15:43] <ubuntujenkins> daker: may be, I am think about another idea that has come into my mind
[15:44] <ubuntujenkins> I woudl rather we did one release and had a way of sepecifiying in the qsproject file what happens for each file
[15:44] <ubuntujenkins> f*each project
[15:45] <flan> I've never seen that work well in a long-lived project.
[15:46] <flan> Managing one release that meets everyone's needs, I mean.
[15:47] <ubuntujenkins> well surely all it needs is a "make user account" option in the qsproject file. and possibly "a switch to new user" option. how ever you are more experienced
[15:48] <flan> We could set a version-level flag that checks to make sure the user has a specific username/display name, but we'll need to be really careful to avoid including anything that might change the direction of development or unnecessarily bloat the core codebase.
[15:48] <flan> If the name doesn't match and there's no local UID that qualifies, then prompt the user to create the new account.
[15:50] <flan> I'll add 'user_name' and 'real_name' fields to the server's database schema at lunch.
[15:51] <flan> They'll default to null and need to be set individually, at the project version level.
[15:51] <flan> Null in either case means "I don't care about this attribute".
[15:51] <ubuntujenkins> "If the name doesn't match and there's no local UID that qualifies, then prompt the user to create the new account." is what we do already. If the manual guys get around to this persona stuff i think we will probably have to do some patches to include that in a custom build
[15:51] <ubuntujenkins> kk
[15:52] <vish> humphreybc: pong
[15:52] <flan> If they do persona stuff, they could just use this and create a series of parallel versions.
[15:52] <flan> 10-04-marcia and 10-04-john, which work alongside the generic 10-04 for screenshots that don't need to reflect personas.
[15:53] <humphreybc> vish: Change nautilus into tree view using Control + 2, and then try to create a folder
[15:53] <ubuntujenkins> the persona stuff also includes mp3 files and odt and other random files
[15:53] <vish> humphreybc: you mean list view?
[15:54] <vish> humphreybc: yeah , you cant
[15:54] <vish> humphreybc: there is a longstanding bug for that :)
[15:54] <daker> hhhh
[15:55] <vish> humphreybc: Bug 51043
[15:55] <vish> huh , not bot :/
[15:55] <vish> no*
[15:55] <vish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/51043
[15:56]  * ubuntujenkins nudges dutchie that manualbot is not here
[15:56] <daker> he is on holidays :p
[15:57] <vish> MootBot is really moot! ;p
[16:02] <humphreybc> vish: is it nominated as a papercut?
[16:03] <vish> humphreybc: if you see the bug , it is marked as a "confirmed" papercut , but fixing it is not really simple.. it needs fixing in gtk and what not
[16:04] <humphreybc> okay
[16:04] <daker> it should gives you more space at bottom
[16:04] <daker> i can create a folder :)
[16:04] <vish> the way it is done in OSX is the best though ;)
[16:05] <daker> vish, are you using OSX to design stuff ?
[16:06] <vish> area other than the text+icon  is treated as background allowing us to create the new folder or use context menu for the particular folder
[16:07] <vish> daker: lol no! , i read that it was how it works in OSX   :D
[16:08]  * vish planning on installing OSx86 on an alternate partition
[16:10] <daker> so you are using inkscape :)
[16:11] <vish> yup
[16:12] <daker> nice
[16:49] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/planet-ump.png
[16:50] <daker> nice
[16:53] <nisshh> humphreybc: that is a kick-ass planet design!
[16:54] <humphreybc> :)
[16:54] <humphreybc> one sec
[16:54] <humphreybc> refresh it
[16:55] <humphreybc> so now the pictograms up the top are in the same order as the menu on the main site
[16:55] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ump-index.png
[16:55] <humphreybc> so on the planet, they'll *mainly* be there for eye candy - but if you want, you can click on one of them and it will take you to the respective page on the main site
[16:55] <humphreybc> because they're not very discoverable, there's the navigation menu with five main links to the right of that
[16:56] <nisshh> cool
[16:56]  * nisshh checks his blogs stats on wordpress
[16:57] <daker> nisshh, vish why you are not doing web design ?
[16:57] <nisshh> daker: on the new website?
[16:57] <daker> in general
[16:58] <nisshh> because, one, i suck at creating mockups, humphreybc makes my design skills look shit
[16:58] <humphreybc> lol
[16:58] <daker> \o/
[16:58] <humphreybc> design is really easy, there are only three things you have to learn
[16:59] <humphreybc> 1) Grids
[16:59] <humphreybc> 2) Effective use of white space
[16:59] <nisshh> oh, here we go....
[16:59] <humphreybc> and 3) How to have a nazi like attention to detail
[16:59] <nisshh> hehe, thanks for the tips
[16:59] <nisshh> i do actually have a good attention to detail
[17:00] <nisshh> but my GIMP/inkscape skills have never been up to par
[17:00] <nisshh> HOLY CRAP!!!
[17:00] <nisshh> over the weekend i had almost 1400 hits on my blog :)
[17:01] <nisshh> thats more than iv had in over 4 months
[17:02] <nisshh> daker: plus, i mainly focus on my python coding skills and such
[17:03] <nisshh> daker, humphreybc: if you want me to help out with the website, i will, its just it seemed to be going ok, so i took a break to work on some of my projects
[17:04] <humphreybc> refresh the planet one
[17:04] <humphreybc> it looks better now
[17:05] <humphreybc> nisshh: nah that's no problem
[17:05] <humphreybc> I'm having fun designing stuff :)
[17:10] <nisshh> humphreybc: ok, sure thing
[17:14] <humphreybc> so daker, we're gonna get some animation going on our site
[17:15] <humphreybc> for example, if someone was going from the planet (http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/planet-ump.png) to the main page (http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ump-index.png) and they clicked on the link on the planet called "Website" on the top right
[17:15] <humphreybc> the orange icons would slide along to fill up the whole bar, as the blue links on the planet disappear, and the content fades in
[17:16] <humphreybc> you can imagine the transition if you just switch between those two mockups in a browser :)
[17:16] <humphreybc> of course, it's not hugely important that the site has animations - but it would be nice :D
[17:18] <nisshh> humphreybc: your acting like a macboy, we dont need SHINYNESS!
[17:18] <nisshh> :)\
[17:18] <humphreybc> yes we do :)
[17:19] <nisshh> no, we dont...
[17:19]  * nisshh shakes fist at humphreybc 
[17:19] <vish> humphreybc: looks like thorwil wasnt here to listen to some of your designing wisdom :p
[17:20] <humphreybc> hah
[17:20] <humphreybc> too bad
[17:20] <humphreybc> I can tell him later :)
[17:20] <nisshh> vish: i think i need it more than thorwil anyway :)
[17:21] <humphreybc> so vish, we need some more Ubuntu pictograms
[17:21] <humphreybc> for a couple of our links
[17:22] <humphreybc> "About Us" and "Contributors"
[17:22] <humphreybc> the ones I have on the site currently are just placeholders
[17:22] <humphreybc> I'll send you some stuff
[17:22] <vish> cool!
[17:24] <humphreybc> okay, email sent
[17:47] <daker> sent to me ?
[17:49] <humphreybc> nope, to vish lol
[17:49] <daker> \o/
[17:49] <humphreybc> I can send you the planet one
[17:50] <humphreybc> let me tidy it up a bit
[17:50] <daker> oki
[17:55] <humphreybc> vish: Just asked Dom, he's gone home now though
[17:55] <vish> humphreybc: no hurry here ;)
[17:55] <humphreybc> daker: sent :)
[17:56] <daker> oki i'll start woking on
[17:56] <humphreybc> yay!
[18:02] <daker> where are the planet's files ?
[18:05] <daker> i can't find them on the branch :s
[18:06] <daker> that's ok i found them
[18:17] <zkriesse> hey guys, I fixed bug https://code.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/599084 and i committed/pushed it up to lp. when i open up the pdf of the manual though it doesn't have the updated field
[18:17] <zkriesse> am i doing something wrong?
[18:18] <daker> zkriesse, have you compiled the pdf ?
[18:18] <zkriesse> you mean make?
[18:18] <zkriesse> make clean; make ? yes i did that
[18:22] <daker_> zkriesse, ?
[18:22] <daker_> zkriesse, have you compiled the pdf ?
[18:22] <zkriesse> daker: ok what command is that
[18:23] <daker> should ask ubuntujenkins :)
[18:23] <zkriesse> ubuntujenkins: hey got a question. again
[18:23] <daker> ubuntujenkins, show zkriesse how to compile the manual pdf
[18:23] <daker> brb
[18:24] <ubuntujenkins> zkriesse: sure what langauga do you want to do it for?
[18:24] <ubuntujenkins> and which edittion
[18:24] <zkriesse> e2 en us
[18:24] <ubuntujenkins> have you got latex installed?
[18:25] <zkriesse> but when downloading it from the lp page it doesn't show the fix
[18:25] <zkriesse> ubuntujenkins: I do indeed...i pushed two fixes up last night but after i downloaded the pdf from lp it didn't list the change
[18:25] <ubuntujenkins> as in the pdf on here https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[18:26] <zkriesse> yes
[18:26] <ubuntujenkins> that does not get updated untill release
[18:26] <zkriesse> oh
[18:26] <zkriesse> stupid me
[18:26] <ubuntujenkins> you need to run "make" in the folder to see your changes
[18:26] <ubuntujenkins> no worries
[18:26] <ubuntujenkins> you will need to install latex
[18:26] <zkriesse> ah i have latex installed
[18:27] <ubuntujenkins> you should run make before pushing to avoid latex errors
[18:27] <zkriesse> i do
[18:27] <ubuntujenkins> ok cool which branch are you doing them on?
[18:27] <zkriesse> make clean; make
[18:27] <zkriesse> lucid e2
[18:28] <ubuntujenkins> cool, my bad I was in the wrong folder
[18:28] <zkriesse> heh
[18:28] <zkriesse> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/599084
[18:28] <zkriesse> that was my last fix
[18:29] <zkriesse> now to compile and see the manual in pdf form
[18:29] <zkriesse> forgot that comm
[18:29] <ubuntujenkins> yea so the only way to see the latest version is to view it your self
[18:29] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk / godbyk-android ping
[18:31] <zkriesse> isn't it make ubuntu-manual-en_US.pdf ?
[18:34] <ubuntujenkins> no just make
[18:34] <ubuntujenkins> en_US is default
[18:34] <zkriesse> ok and where does it compile it to?
[18:34] <zkriesse> or is the change in the tex file
[18:34] <ubuntujenkins> the folder you are in
[18:34] <ubuntujenkins> you can do make show
[18:35] <zkriesse> ah thanks
[18:35] <ubuntujenkins> np, be back in 20mins
[19:02]  * dutchie is going on holiday tomorrow!
[19:04] <ubuntujenkins> yey \o.
[19:04] <ubuntujenkins> have fun
[19:04] <ubuntujenkins> can you put manual bot back please
[19:12] <dutchie> oh yeah
[19:12] <dutchie> dunno where it went
[19:12] <dutchie> it's only Abergavenny anyway :
[19:12] <dutchie> )
[19:12] <ubuntujenkins> I like brecon
[19:13] <dutchie> week of debauchery to celebrate exams finishing: )
[19:13] <dutchie> oh dear oh dear :(
[19:13] <dutchie> hmm
[19:13]  * daker doesn't finished yet
[19:27] <daker> vish, inkscape is good to slice psd file ?
[19:27] <ubuntujenkins> daker: I find they open in gimp iirc
[19:28] <vish> daker: yeah , you can use gimp
[19:28] <daker> photoshop is very easy than gimp
[20:03] <daker> dutchie, ping
[20:04] <daker> GOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLL
[20:08] <daker> GOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
[20:08] <daker> GOAL GOAAAALLLLLLLL
[20:08] <ubuntujenkins> who are you watching?
[20:08] <daker> and 2-0 for BRA
[20:31] <c7p> who created the quickshot live-cd ?
[20:31]  * ubuntujenkins i might have done it depends why you ask :P
[20:32] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: why do you ask?
[20:33] <c7p> because I have installed the distro to a friends of mine pc ... and many packages are missing
[20:34] <c7p> what i want to learn is which packages should I install on system so it can have sound
[20:34] <c7p> what*
[20:34] <ubuntujenkins> yea I removed loads, there sould be a  note where you downloaded it saying don't use it as an  install cd. I THINK installing ubuntu-desktop *should* fix it
[20:36] <ubuntujenkins> I removed some very serious bits tbh i would get a cd from ubuntu.com
[20:37] <ubuntujenkins> we only kept the stuff we had to to make it function
[20:37] <c7p> yes I can understand it's for the job of project not for home using
[20:38] <c7p> ah by the way
[20:38] <c7p> whouldn't be nice to create a Ubuntu Manuals Contributor DVD with all the latex packages, quichshot, etc. ?
[20:39] <ubuntujenkins> hmm its possible relitvley easy but there is a bug with the packages that we are trying to fix
[20:40] <ubuntujenkins> nothing major as far as checking translated versions etc but it does mean that I can't build final versions
[20:42] <c7p> by packages you mean official packages downloaded with the script or the packages on repo ?
[20:42] <ubuntujenkins> I mean the latex ppa i made
[20:43] <c7p> yap that i was meaning by repo :)
[20:43] <ubuntujenkins> o i see.
[20:44] <ubuntujenkins> kevin is looking into it and so am i
[20:45] <daker> GOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLL
[20:45] <daker> GOAL GOAAAALLLLLLLL
[20:45] <daker> 3 - 0 for BRA
[20:50] <c7p> g night
[20:50] <ubuntujenkins> night c7p
[21:12] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk / godbyk-android ping
[21:37] <godbyk-android> ubuntujenkins:  pong
[21:38] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-android: what can i do to help the german manual progress?
[21:39] <godbyk-android> I don't recall where we left off on the German one.
[21:39] <godbyk-android> Did he get all of the extra translated stuff in there?
[21:40] <godbyk-android> (like the copyright page, colophon, etc.?)
[21:40] <ubuntujenkins> not a clue the last e-mail said he had now added the .tex file and that hypernation was alrigt I am just looking for the e-mail with the translations in
[21:41] <godbyk-android> The translation asks be in the repository.
[21:41] <godbyk-android> asks -> should
[21:42] <godbyk-android> ( stupid phone auto complete)
[21:43] <ubuntujenkins> we have some words translated in an e-mail sent on 18/6/2010 or 6/18/2010 which ever side of the water you are
[21:44] <ubuntujenkins> I can't build the final version as i have this crazy bug
[21:45] <godbyk-android> I think we need the following words translated for the psfbookmark commands:
[21:45] <godbyk-android> Colophon
[21:45] <godbyk-android> Title page
[21:45] <godbyk-android> (maybe some others)
[21:46] <ubuntujenkins> ok i will check for those as they are not japanese. has the extra text for the copyright page been done?
[21:47] <godbyk-android> I don't recall seeing it
[21:47] <ubuntujenkins> where is the english version of it?
[21:47] <godbyk-android> In the lucid-2w repository, I think.
[21:48] <godbyk-android> formatter/copyright.tex
[21:49] <ubuntujenkins> lucid-2w means lucid-2e ?
[21:50] <godbyk-android> er, yeah
[21:50] <godbyk-android> Sorry
[21:50] <godbyk-android> Fat fingers + tiny onscreen keyboard
[21:51] <ubuntujenkins> what is the extra text say aproximatly? I don't want to paste it all here
[21:52] <godbyk-android> It has a version for print and a version for screen
[21:52] <godbyk-android> The screen version links to the lulu page for a hardcopy
[21:53] <godbyk-android> The print version links to the ubuntu manual website
[21:54] <godbyk-android> If they had more AC outlets in this room it's make my life easier.
[21:54] <godbyk-android> (the career on my laptop doesn't last very long anymore.)
[21:54] <ubuntujenkins> is it all of that file or jsut one paragraph?
[21:55] <godbyk-android> The whole file.
[21:55] <ubuntujenkins> o right thats ok i don't see the word screen in it and neither does cntrl+f
[21:55]  * dutchie wonders what daker wanted
[21:56] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: is manualbot dead then?
[21:56] <ubuntujenkins> right i will ak for the extra words and that file to be translated
[21:56] <dutchie> manualbot doesn't want to connect
[21:57] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-android: I don't see the funny letters when i do german
[21:57] <dutchie> though it does seem to be running
[21:57] <ubuntujenkins> o i lied there is 3 of them
[21:57] <godbyk-android> Okay check our the lucid-e1-en repository instead.
[21:58] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: hmm kill it and restart?
[21:58] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: what is index in german?
[21:58] <dutchie> miles ahead of you :)
[21:58] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: no idea
[21:58] <dutchie> WARNING 2010-06-28T20:58:13 Error connecting to irc.freenode.net:6667: timeout: timed out
[21:58] <ubuntujenkins> try using 8001 as the port?
[21:59] <ubuntujenkins> index in english is the same as german aparently
[21:59] <dutchie> doubt that will help to be honest
[21:59] <dutchie> no, it hasn't
[21:59] <godbyk-android> ubuntujenkins:  shouldn't be
[22:00] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-android: thats what google translate says
[22:00] <dutchie> i do have german dictionaries upstairs
[22:02] <godbyk-android> Oh, you  mean the word "index" not the index itself.
[22:03] <ubuntujenkins> yea
[22:03] <dutchie> ask #ubuntu-de?
[22:04] <godbyk-android> Or thorwil.
[22:05] <dutchie> he's not around though
[22:05] <ubuntujenkins> he is not here
[22:05] <dutchie> godbyk-android: how is the train trip going?
[22:05] <ubuntujenkins> we appear not to have translated Creative Commons Notice
[22:06]  * dutchie will be stuck in the back of beyond (aka Wales) from tomorrow evening until Thursday
[22:06] <dutchie> there is not even a landline
[22:07] <godbyk-android> Train trip  is over. During in the conference now.
[22:07] <godbyk-android> Someone's talking about using tex in his studies of chinese
[22:07] <dutchie> everybody's going away now
[22:07] <dutchie> heh
[22:09] <godbyk-android> We're all gonna have a lot of work to so when we all get back next week. :-)
[22:10] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-android: I don't think any of the Define translated macros are translated in the um-greman.clo file
[22:11] <ubuntujenkins> at least in comparison with the greek one
[22:11] <godbyk-android> Which macros should be translated?
[22:12] <ubuntujenkins> I also have no german 8.tex file
[22:13] <ubuntujenkins> I am going to get a new branch to be sure
[22:14] <godbyk-android> ubuntu-manual-de.tex
[22:15] <ubuntujenkins> yea thats what i ment
[22:18] <ubuntujenkins> I have it now, I will send an e-mail in the morning,
[22:20] <godbyk-android> 'kay.
[22:21] <ubuntujenkins> strange this time there were no funny letters but in the greek one there still are funny letters
[22:22] <ubuntujenkins> right night all
[22:38] <brandonj> successful GRE is successful