=== oubiwann is now known as oubiwann-away [04:24] quit === oubiwann-away is now known as oubiwann === Destine is now known as Final_Removal === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless === MichealH is now known as MichealH|Laptop === ian_brasil_ is now known as ian_brasil === MichealH is now known as MichealH|Laptop === MichealH|Laptop is now known as MichealH [17:05] * MichealH|Laptop has got his IRC Log Server thingy Sorted :) [17:38] \o [17:44] hi shadeslayer [18:03] yellow [18:06] mdeslaur: green [18:07] BLACK! [18:07] we ready? [18:07] jdstrand: here? [18:07] yes [18:07] o/ [18:07] sbeattie: ping [18:07] \o [18:08] hey [18:11] #startmeeting [18:11] Meeting started at 12:11. The chair is kees. [18:11] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [18:11] [topic] stand-up report [18:11] New Topic: stand-up report [18:11] i'm on community. will be continuing to chase down some stuff in the kernel for yama, and the compiler for hardening testsuites this week [18:12] I did any of my merges that were worth merging last week. (though I guess debmirror still needs merging technically...) [18:13] my mind is empty... uhm, mdeslaur, you're up. :) [18:13] (yay monday morning!) [18:13] so, I'll continue my work on openssl this week [18:13] hardy's renegotiation is failing for me currently, as it seems it is compiled without tls extensions [18:14] and changing that will break ABI [18:14] yay [18:14] so I'll be working on that [18:14] and pretty much just that [18:14] over and out [18:14] jdstrand? [18:14] so, surprisingly, I am working on firefox [18:14] * kees hugs jdstrand [18:15] jdstrand: you've got a break now while openjdk-6 compiles for 70 hours. ;) [18:15] we're not worthy! we're not worthy! [18:15] the Kubuntu meeting starts in 15 minutes, right? [18:15] hardy and lucid should go out tomorrow. upstream firedrilled a 3.6.6 release that needs to be retested [18:15] kees: hehe-- I had my people kill off openjdk :P [18:15] :) [18:16] openjdk got whacked [18:16] why they keep doing that [18:16] the nice thing about 3.6.6 is that we will probably be the first distro with it ;) [18:16] Ubuntu rocks FarmVille! [18:16] nxvl: the new OOP thingie broke flash [18:16] nxvl: under certain circumstances on low powered machines [18:17] * nxvl hates mozilla more every release [18:17] nxvl: you know, the stuff you are interested in :P [18:17] jdstrand: ohhh, yeah, suuuure [18:17] other than that, we need to wait on openjdk for jaunty and karmic before releasing 3.6 for them [18:18] I am hoping to get sudo out this week [18:18] jdstrand: openjdk for jaunty and karmic will be 6b18 based? [18:18] and am on triage, though I am off from Thu through Mon [18:18] jdstrand: I can take your triage this week [18:18] jdstrand: though I might make sbeattie do it with me. ;) [18:19] kees: fairy nuff. [18:19] :) [18:19] sbeattie: the plan is to backport what is in lucid-proposed to jaunty and karmic, so yeah. if it passes the tests, we will get the server team to test it with tomcat and eucalyptus [18:19] kees: oh, thanks! [18:20] sbeattie: once firefox is done building in the ppa, chriscoulson will upload one of the openjdks [18:20] sbeattie: then when it is done, upload the other. this should give room for -security builds and alpha2 [18:20] sbeattie: do you have a preference which is uploaded? [18:20] (first) [18:20] jdstrand: it doesn't matter. [18:21] k [18:21] my fear is that I can just about guarantee there will be some small amount of regressions in the devtools portion of the JCK testing kit with 6b18. [18:21] I did get to my tcpdump and cron merges last week. I'll probably do sudo this week (as part of my update) [18:21] that is all from me [18:22] jdstrand: thanks. [18:22] sbeattie: yeah. we'll have to evaluate it and see which more work, backporting fixes or backporting plugin stuff [18:22] For me, now that firefox is requiring openjdk uploads, I've been roped in to do JCK testing. [18:23] * jdstrand feels bad :( [18:23] It's continuation of work I was doing on the QA team, so it makes sense. [18:24] My goal is to finish up work I was doing to automate setting up and running the testsuites as much as possible, to hand off to QA going forward. [18:24] sounds good [18:24] hopefully that work can be pushed back to QA after this, and in such a manner that we can potentially verify security/SRUs going forward [18:25] * jdstrand isn't sure how feasible that is [18:25] we've got 5 minutes before the next meeting starts -- that it for stand-up report? [18:25] jdstrand: that's my hope, too; the annoying bit is even with automation, the runtime component requires manual interaction and takes several hours. [18:25] ofirk: we'll move kubuntu meeting to #kubuntu-devel [18:25] Riddell: we're almost done [18:26] sbeattie: that isn't several hours of manual intervention though, is it? [18:26] kees: yes, that's it for me. [18:26] [topic] other stuff [18:26] New Topic: other stuff [18:26] Riddell: thanks [18:26] jdstrand: yes, I believe so. [18:26] ah bummer [18:26] anyone got any other things for the security team? nxvl, jjohansen: anything you guys need? [18:26] I was hoping it was a little intervention, then it just takes a long time [18:26] kees: yes, but firefox needs to be updated, so no :( [18:27] :P [18:27] not me [18:27] nxvl: heh. yeah, it's a lot of work, but i'll be worth it. :) [18:27] okay, thanks everyone! [18:27] #endmeeting [18:27] Meeting finished at 12:27. [18:27] woot thanks. [18:27] nxvl: btw, I think 3.6.6 for hardy lpia is ready, and i386 is currently building [18:28] thanks kees! [18:28] * nxvl cries [18:28] heh [18:29] * maco waves to lex79 [18:29] * ikonia waves to maco [18:30] * lex79 hugs maco [18:30] * shadeslayer waves to * [18:30] * a|wen just waves wildly [18:30] good evening friends === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [18:30] how are we today? [18:30] evening Riddell [18:30] evening [18:30] o/ [18:30] o/ [18:30] evening all :D [18:31] evening! [18:31] lo [18:31] neversfelde, apachelogger, JontheEchidna, ScottK: council poke [18:31] Here [18:31] ouch [18:31] here [18:31] here [18:31] Did I make it? [18:31] * bulldog98 waves back and waves to everybody he hasn’t waved to === DarkwingDuck_ is now known as DarkwingDuck [18:32] DarkwingDuck: yeah :) [18:32] first thing is to welcome the new council members [18:32] * ScottK has never been on a council before. [18:32] new council members ? [18:32] which council ? [18:32] and thank the ones whose time came to an end [18:32] kubuntu council [18:32] ikonia: Kubuntu Council [18:32] ah [18:32] thanks to nightrose, seele and me! [18:32] hi everyone [18:32] I'm back [18:32] Hi too [18:33] welcome along ScottK, neversfelde and little me [18:33] may we not have to vote much [18:33] Hello guys [18:33] shall we start with memberships? [18:33] *nod* [18:33] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [18:33] ofirk: want to go first? [18:34] Riddell: sure [18:34] tell us who you are [18:34] My name is Ofir Klinger, I am 21 years old [18:34] and why you want to be a kubuntu member [18:34] I live in Israel near Tel Aviv [18:34] I am a student for Electrical Engineering at Bar-Ilan University [18:34] I started learning website building 7 years ago. I know PHP, HTML, CSS and JS. I also know how to write plugins for Wordpress and how to build websites using Wordpress and of course, Drupal. I like building and maintaining websites, currently I have 5 websites which I maintain. [18:34] I am an OSS user in the last 7 years. Starting with PHP which was my first open source software. I then moved to Firefox and OpenOffice. Later I discovered Ubuntu when it was in its 6.06 LTS version. [18:34] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OfirKlinger https://edge.launchpad.net/~klinger-ofir [18:35] I began using Ubuntu 6.06 and exploring the Ubuntu world. I always wanted to move to Kubuntu but KDE3 was a little complicated for me. When Kubuntu moved to KDE4, I switched to it. Since then I feel proud about the great operation system Kubuntu is, and the great developers behind it. [18:35] I always wanted to contribute to Ubuntu and Kubuntu. I tried to get into C++, python and other desktop oriented programming and never succeeded. Hence, I helped translating Ubuntu through LP. [18:35] After Karmic launch, the Project Timelord was announced. I saw the announcement on the kubuntu-devel mailing-list and decided to offer my help where I know the most: Website Building and Maintaining. I replied to the announcement and Ryan got back to me. [18:36] I worked on the new Kubuntu website for more than 7 months. The site was build to give first good impression on Kubuntu. Therefore, I worked for many days on the site structure, based on what the avg. user would look for and where he would look. Then I moved to the look&feel, trying to give a nice and comfort look to the site. I also included elements from Kubuntu itself. [18:36] I am constantly searching of ways to improve Kubuntu's image on the web by building professional sites (Kubuntu's main website, Kubuntu's wiki, Kubuntu's shipit website). [18:36] I am planing to add more features to the website for the next Kubuntu release. Like, multi-language support which includes RTL supports, new or at least update the feature tour and unified look for all Kubuntu websites like the wiki. [18:37] what is the quality of internationalation into Hebrew and other semitic languages in Kubuntu? [18:37] Not so good [18:37] How well does RTL work? [18:37] uh oh [18:38] and what is RTL? [18:38] There are no many Hebrew translators and RTL is pretty much bad [18:38] neversfelde: right-to-left writing [18:38] Right-to-Left [18:38] neversfelde: Right to left [18:38] thanks [18:38] a|wen: one can also read :P [18:38] apachelogger: not me ;) [18:38] oh, poor you [18:38] ofirk: what still needs doing before we can tell the sysadmins to make the new website live? [18:39] Riddell: I already told them to make it live [18:39] well, I might mention that from what I know our lack of developers who use RTL systems and in general less europeanish languages is a bit of a problem [18:39] ofirk: ooh! [18:39] I think that in the next couple of days it will be live [18:39] ofirk: does israel have a loco? [18:39] apachelogger: yes [18:39] ofirk: what tools did you use to make the new website design? [18:40] their main field of work is translations [18:40] ofirk: nothing on the promotion side? [18:40] NetBeans, Drupal 6, Apache, Mysql, PHP and of course Kubuntu :) [18:40] apachelogger: promotion for what? [18:41] the Ubuntu product line [18:41] ofirk: like promotion of Ubuntu ;) [18:41] ofirk: netbeans does HTML? [18:41] Riddell: HTML, PHP, CSS, JS (it is not WYSIWYG) [18:41] apachelogger: I mainly worked on the Kubuntu website [18:42] the feature tour is kind of promotion to Kubuntu [18:42] ofirk: yeah, but the loco in general, do you happen to know if anything promotional is going on there? [18:42] love the feature tour btw :D [18:42] ofirk: will you focus on making the website better in future or do you have plans to get in touch with other parts of the development? [18:42] * apachelogger always wanted us to have one, and now we finally will <3 <3 <3 [18:42] apachelogger: yes, but here in Israel you can say that Microsoft roles [18:42] fyi feature tour has been picked up by kde-www as well,they might make something similar :D [18:43] this is a shame since Israel is a good place for new things [18:44] * apachelogger knows that situation ... not much different in austria, just that austria is no good place for new things of any kind :? [18:44] ofirk: What, in your opinion, makes Kubuntu different from other KDE software based distros? [18:44] apachelogger: just good for old music? [18:45] I think that the whole idea behind Uubuntu to make things easier and human is Kubuntu uniqness [18:45] maco: not as old as you might think ;) [18:45] * Riddell points ofirk at neversfelde's question [18:46] I am sorry, I don't see neversfelde's question, can you repeat it? [18:46] 18:42 < neversfelde> ofirk: will you focus on making the website better in future or do you have plans to get in touch with other parts of the development? [18:47] As I said above, I am planning to keep working on the website [18:47] groovy [18:47] As I learned, websites needs contact care [18:47] +1 for Ofir from me (not that I can vote), the work he's done on the website is really outstanding. [18:47] ofirk: any bets on when we will reach world domination? [18:47] ofirk: What are areas you have seen in Kubuntu that you feel needs to be improved? [18:47] +1 on outstanding website/localization work [18:48] apachelogger: I hope until 10.10 ;) [18:48] oh perfect [18:48] +1 [18:48] to ofirk and that bet [18:48] I give ofirk a +1 for persevering so long on the website [18:48] ofirk: great, from my point of view nothing is wrong with focus on a special part, was just interested [18:48] Some time after Python 3 replaces Python 2. [18:48] +1 for the great work [18:48] * apachelogger pokes ScottK with the fluffy stick of blinking [18:49] +1 from me too. [18:49] perfect then [18:49] welcome in ofirk [18:49] ofirk: congrats and welcome [18:49] agateau: want to go next? [18:49] * a|wen cheers for ofirk [18:49] Riddell: ok [18:49] ofirk: congrats :) [18:49] agateau: who are you and why do you like us? [18:50] Riddell: because you look handsome! [18:50] More seriously, [18:50] My name is Aurélien Gâteau, I live in France in a small village near Paris [18:50] +1 for agateau! [18:50] O.o *Gets the kneepads* :P [18:50] * apachelogger blinks [18:50] I am a KDE developer, I maintain Gwenview, used to be active on KIPI plugins and like to fix bugs in KDE, mostly in kdelibs and kdebase. [18:50] I have been using Kubuntu since Hoary Hedgehog and got more involved when I joined Canonical DX team a little more than a year ago. [18:51] My work at Canonical led me to create the Ayatana notifications for KDE, the message indicator and now DBusMenu. DBusMenu is used in the new KDE systemtray and is a key component of the upcomi [18:51] ng global menubar in Maverick. [18:51] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AurelienGateau https://edge.launchpad.net/~agateau [18:51] The notification thing also started a life of its own as Colibri [18:51] which I develop on my spare time [18:52] I have tried to get some work time dedicated to Kubuntu, with varying success. For example I was quite happy to help working on the networkmanagement Plasma applet during Lucid cycle. [18:52] I think that's all I have to copy'n'paste :) [18:52] Is the meeting over? [18:52] the networkmanagement Plasma applet will be making its first default appearance this week in alpha 2 [18:53] great! [18:53] <3 the plasmoid [18:53] agateau: you've been at some computer shows promoting kubuntu and KDE? [18:53] yes, I attend Solutions Linux, a yearly french show [18:53] I have been holding the KDE booth there for a few years [18:54] ofirk_: not at all [18:54] agateau: so, one year and only now you considered to go for membership, what took you so long? :O [18:54] I am primarily there to promote KDE but give a lot of Kubuntu cd as well [18:54] apachelogger: being in a delicate position as part of my work for Canonica, [18:54] *Canonical, [18:55] I wanted to be sure I get to know the community well enough [18:55] to request membership [18:55] agateau: do you have any plans to get upload privilages in future? [18:55] I was able to meet some Kubuntu devs at 3 UDS now, which makes me feel a bit more part of the family [18:55] wheter you like us for realz ^^ [18:55] Riddell: I don't think packaging is really my thing [18:56] Riddell: at least that's not the reason for applying [18:56] I like to help out Kubuntu by sharing my little knowledge of kdelibs [18:56] and Qt [18:56] but I'd also like to be more involved in Kubuntu specific tools [18:56] as well as default configuration [18:57] agateau: What in your opinion makes Kubuntu different from other KDE software based distributions? [18:57] agateau: is there a plan for sound menu and amarok? [18:57] lex79: yes there is [18:57] good :) [18:57] apachelogger: I must confess I haven't been looking out a lot these days [18:58] before Hoary, I used Archlinux (0.5, wooo) and before that Mandrake [18:58] What I like about Kubuntu is that it comes with KDE and is stable enough that my wife can bare it [18:58] (which was not the case with Archlinux :)) [18:59] :D [18:59] I wonder why [18:59] <3 arch [18:59] * zkriesse wonders if this is a kubuntu membership meeting [18:59] well, then +1 for bringing Kubuntu love to KDE or KDE love to Kubuntu, something along those lines anyway :) [18:59] don't get me wrong, I like some of the ideas of arch, but I don't think it's a distro geared towards people who have a life beyond computers :) [18:59] indeed [19:00] zkriesse: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [19:00] oh [19:00] Riddell: that sucks [19:00] welcome back [19:00] well I already voted on agateau, others need to vote now :) [19:00] I love a good netsplit in a meeting. [19:01] I think i've been dropped once [19:01] oh yes, still split, sigh [19:01] * apachelogger waits for council to return [19:01] everyone here now? [19:01] about half the channel is unconnected [19:01] Just remember: They are disconnected from us. [19:01] all better now [19:01] put your hand up if you're still split from the network === maco2 is now known as maco [19:01] o/ [19:01] :P [19:01] ^^ [19:01] Looks OK [19:01] * DarkwingDuck ducks [19:01] any more questions for agateau? [19:01] * zkriesse is an ubuntu member...can he vote too? [19:02] zkriesse: no === IdleOne_ is now known as Guest50774 [19:02] From during the split: [19:02] [14:00:23] i helped other new users who had problems understanding how to use their new systems,since i had just gone through the same experience,the most general questions i encountered were about mp3 playback and flash :D [19:02] [14:00:24] then slowly i got into ISO testing,this was during the 9.10 cycle,i reported various bugs in the ISO's [19:02] [14:00:28] fortunately you guys over at #kubuntu-devel helped me get the proper info into those bugs and corrected them in the packages :D [19:02] shadeslayer: Go [19:02] * shadeslayer types till then [19:02] after i understood the lp bug system and how to effectively report bugs i helped other users get more info into their bug reports,recently i have joined the bug squad to help out more in that area , i also help by forwarding bugs upstrea, [19:02] *upstream [19:02] Riddell: We were talking with shadeslayer: were you talking with agateau? [19:02] we were talking about agateau while you were talking about shadeslayer [19:03] Meh. [19:03] hehe :P [19:03] :) === Guest50774 is now known as IdleOne [19:03] I guess we should back up and start over then. [19:03] what a mess [19:03] shadeslayer: Let's let agateau go ahead. [19:03] sure thing :D [19:03] we are already voting on him :P [19:03] shall I just copy'n'paste? [19:03] awesome ;) [19:03] I would prefer someone from the council throwing a +1 in :P [19:03] agateau: please :) === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [19:04] agateau: How about a pastebin [19:04] ScottK: ok [19:04] http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/Jbj5AMuH [19:04] dang, we must have split a long time before the split showed up on our end [19:05] JontheEchidna: seems so [19:05] http://pastebin.com/AFsJWYL3 [19:05] no wonder the rest of the council was being so quiet ;) [19:05] ah, Riddell if a faster pastebiner [19:05] * ScottK read the backscroll. === asac_ is now known as asac [19:05] +1 from me [19:06] shadeslayer: You might prepare a pastebin of all you told us during the split, so you'll be ready to go. [19:06] +1 [19:06] sure [19:06] * apachelogger waits for neversfelde [19:06] +1 agateau [19:06] sorry was busy reading the backlog === emma_ is now known as emma [19:07] anyone else? no? [19:07] agateau: welcome and congratulations [19:07] thanks! [19:07] apachelogger: you didn't vote? [19:07] congrats agateau! [19:07] Riddell: I did in your paste :P [19:07] Riddell: he did, one or two split ago :) [19:07] * DarkwingDuck gives a futbol clap [19:07] shadeslayer: Paste your bin. [19:07] http://shadeslayer.pastebin.com/vNUxCwMt [19:08] Riddell: 18:59 < apachelogger> well, then +1 for bringing Kubuntu love to KDE or KDE love to Kubuntu, something along those lines anyway :) [19:08] shadeslayer: Arch or Kubuntu? [19:08] So basically as you can see i love to break stuff and then fix it,so that other users may not experience this issue [19:08] My sigh is out of context in there :P [19:08] ScottK: Arch for bleeding edge,Kubuntu for long term [19:08] * apachelogger thinks that JontheEchidna is sighing too much [19:08] (that is when we first saw the netsplit) [19:09] * ScottK wonders if a person can sustain two loves? [19:09] ScottK: basically i use arch for confirming KDE bugs ( and that too i have installed only yesterday _ [19:09] since arch is super hyp0r distro now [19:09] shadeslayer: Who go the better KDE?! [19:09] and why ^^ [19:10] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/shadeslayer https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg [19:10] shadeslayer: from your experience, what can we do better to make it easier for people to get in touch with Kubuntu development? [19:10] apachelogger: again,kubuntu has a very good KDE enviroment,but mem consumption on arch is very low,if that comes to Kubuntu,ill shun arch :P [19:10] shadeslayer: If we had a bleeding edge repository for KDE trunk, would you still need Arch? [19:10] ScottK: nope [19:10] * ikonia would like to comment on shadeslayer [19:11] pfff, uninstall all the goodness and youll consume as much mem as arch :P [19:11] * ScottK opens up a space for ikonia. [19:11] ikonia: please just go ahead [19:11] it's only quick, I don't normally speak out for people in this sort of way but thought shadeslayer a worth while effort [19:11] neversfelde: well.. first we need a proper medium to channel the bugs,apachelogger has a awesome bug triage policy lined up,that gets the right bugs to the right people,and im trying to implement it on my end [19:11] when shadeslayer first came to ubuntu in an IRC capacity, he was a pain, no other way to say it, but I've rarley seen someone work with such effort to understand what ubuntu is about [19:12] his change has been outstanding and long term too, he provides a valuable contribution to ubuntu/kubuntu in many ways [19:12] I feel membership would be a good reward and inspiriation for a stunning turn around and sustained contribution [19:13] great potential and enthusiasm, great attiude and willingness to listen and participate [19:13] [19:13] * apachelogger thanks ikonia for taking away a wonderful question apachelogger had queued :) [19:13] apachelogger: sorry [19:13] shadeslayer: the other day pinotree seemed surprised when you asked a question in #kde-devel, do you think that was fair? [19:14] Riddell: a bit,yes,but that is to be expected when i learnt that he comes from debian [19:14] debian has *very* high standards of packaging imo [19:14] ikonia: it's better to hear praise from someone else anyway :) [19:15] apachelogger: I don't do it for many - I think it's worthwihle in this case [19:15] shadeslayer: Kubuntu does not? Should Kubuntu move more towards Debian's standards? [19:15] Riddell: also pinotree is highly expericened and im just starting out with packaging,so he has every right to question me [19:15] apachelogger: Kubuntu also does have very high packaging standards,but not _as_ high as debian [19:15] apachelogger: for example my qipmsg package :P [19:16] well, they have more time than us [19:16] ^more patience, maybe :P [19:16] JontheEchidna: exactly :) [19:16] they are into pain I hear :P [19:16] anyhow [19:16] Also ive recently put my hands in the world of packaging,ive done some packaging for kubuntu when we have KDE release [19:16] +s [19:16] shadeslayer: are you going to become elite Kubuntu packager or elite KDE developer or both? [19:17] * DarkwingDuck makes a note who to pick the mind of when learning packaging [19:17] shadeslayer: kubuntu membership will give you access to the bzr packaging archive, do you think you're ready for that? [19:17] some of my packages have been picked up by debian,for eg : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=580718 [19:17] Debian bug 580718 in wnpp "ITP: kraft -- small business-management application" [Wishlist,Fixed] [19:17] apachelogger: both! [19:17] Riddell: yes,but i will always request a review in my own lp account first [19:17] ambitious [19:18] apachelogger: btw i saw your ubuntu-core-dev app :P [19:18] the application that is an application :D [19:18] didnt read the code much :) [19:18] shadeslayer: how did you learn packaging? [19:18] was a quick hack anyway [19:18] shadeslayer: you told me, that there were/are no FOSS events in india, so I was surprised to see that there seems to be a very active community http://www.ubuntu-in.info/wiki/Events Are you part of this Loco team? [19:18] oh and also,im working on apturl support for rekonq [19:18] Riddell: i poked apachelogger :D [19:19] neversfelde: i am a part of the loco as in i put my name in the contacts [19:19] * apachelogger has a pokeme sign it seems ^^ [19:19] We're still on membership? :) [19:19] Quintasan|Szel: yes [19:19] * Quintasan|Szel went swimming and forgot about meeting @_@ [19:19] neversfelde: but,our mailing is heavily spammed,and there are no events near my locality [19:19] Quintasan|Szel: takes a while when you have 4 people to confirm, and a netsplit after the first [19:19] apachelogger: Don't worry... I'm going to add you to my quit message so you get pings [19:19] JontheEchidna: oh well, :< [19:19] cool [19:20] * apachelogger hugs DarkwingDuck [19:20] well [19:20] neversfelde: also sayakb the loco contact has since left the Ubuntu project [19:20] any important messages for shadeslayer remaining? [19:20] shadeslayer: ah ok, it is not easy to manage a Loco in such a big country, is it? [19:20] Quintasan|Szel: then one side proceeded to grill agateau, while the other split half of the channel grilled shadeslayer, so we had to restart both :P [19:20] * apachelogger fears we might be carried away a bit :) [19:20] let's vote [19:20] yes [19:20] neversfelde: nope :) [19:21] +1 shadeslayer for general participation and enthusiasm [19:21]