[04:24] <flatsix> quit
[17:05]  * MichealH|Laptop has got his IRC Log Server thingy Sorted :)
[17:38] <shadeslayer> \o
[17:44] <bulldog98> hi shadeslayer
[18:03] <mdeslaur> yellow
[18:06] <kees> mdeslaur: green
[18:07] <mdeslaur> BLACK!
[18:07] <mdeslaur> we ready?
[18:07] <kees> jdstrand: here?
[18:07] <jdstrand> yes
[18:07] <jdstrand> o/
[18:07] <kees> sbeattie: ping
[18:07] <jjohansen> \o
[18:08] <sbeattie> hey
[18:11] <kees> #startmeeting
[18:11] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:11. The chair is kees.
[18:11] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:11] <kees> [topic] stand-up report
[18:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  stand-up report
[18:11] <kees> i'm on community.  will be continuing to chase down some stuff in the kernel for yama, and the compiler for hardening testsuites this week
[18:12] <kees> I did any of my merges that were worth merging last week.  (though I guess debmirror still needs merging technically...)
[18:13] <kees> my mind is empty... uhm, mdeslaur, you're up.  :)
[18:13] <sbeattie> (yay monday morning!)
[18:13] <mdeslaur> so, I'll continue my work on openssl this week
[18:13] <mdeslaur> hardy's renegotiation is failing for me currently, as it seems it is compiled without tls extensions
[18:14] <mdeslaur> and changing that will break ABI
[18:14] <mdeslaur> yay
[18:14] <mdeslaur> so I'll be working on that
[18:14] <mdeslaur> and pretty much just that
[18:14] <mdeslaur> over and out
[18:14] <mdeslaur> jdstrand?
[18:14] <jdstrand> so, surprisingly, I am working on firefox
[18:14]  * kees hugs jdstrand
[18:15] <kees> jdstrand: you've got a break now while openjdk-6 compiles for 70 hours.  ;)
[18:15] <mdeslaur> we're not worthy! we're not worthy!
[18:15] <ofirk> the Kubuntu meeting starts in 15 minutes, right?
[18:15] <jdstrand> hardy and lucid should go out tomorrow. upstream firedrilled a 3.6.6 release that needs to be retested
[18:15] <jdstrand> kees: hehe-- I had my people kill off openjdk :P
[18:15] <kees> :)
[18:16] <mdeslaur> openjdk got whacked
[18:16] <nxvl> why they keep doing that
[18:16] <jdstrand> the nice thing about 3.6.6 is that we will probably be the first distro with it ;)
[18:16] <mdeslaur> Ubuntu rocks FarmVille!
[18:16] <jdstrand> nxvl: the new OOP thingie broke flash
[18:16] <jdstrand> nxvl: under certain circumstances on low powered machines
[18:17]  * nxvl hates mozilla more every release
[18:17] <jdstrand> nxvl: you know, the stuff you are interested in :P
[18:17] <nxvl> jdstrand: ohhh, yeah, suuuure
[18:17] <jdstrand> other than that, we need to wait on openjdk for jaunty and karmic before releasing 3.6 for them
[18:18] <jdstrand> I am hoping to get sudo out this week
[18:18] <sbeattie> jdstrand: openjdk for jaunty and karmic will be 6b18 based?
[18:18] <jdstrand> and am on triage, though I am off from Thu through Mon
[18:18] <kees> jdstrand: I can take your triage this week
[18:18] <kees> jdstrand: though I might make sbeattie do it with me.  ;)
[18:19] <sbeattie> kees: fairy nuff.
[18:19] <kees> :)
[18:19] <jdstrand> sbeattie: the plan is to backport what is in lucid-proposed to jaunty and karmic, so yeah. if it passes the tests, we will get the server team to test it with tomcat and eucalyptus
[18:19] <jdstrand> kees: oh, thanks!
[18:20] <jdstrand> sbeattie: once firefox is done building in the ppa, chriscoulson will upload one of the openjdks
[18:20] <jdstrand> sbeattie: then when it is done, upload the other. this should give room for -security builds and alpha2
[18:20] <jdstrand> sbeattie: do you have a preference which is uploaded?
[18:20] <jdstrand> (first)
[18:20] <sbeattie> jdstrand: it doesn't matter.
[18:21] <jdstrand> k
[18:21] <sbeattie> my fear is that I can just about guarantee there will be some small amount of regressions in the devtools portion of the JCK testing kit with 6b18.
[18:21] <jdstrand> I did get to my tcpdump and cron merges last week. I'll probably do sudo this week (as part of my update)
[18:21] <jdstrand> that is all from me
[18:22] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks.
[18:22] <jdstrand> sbeattie: yeah. we'll have to evaluate it and see which more work, backporting fixes or backporting plugin stuff
[18:22] <sbeattie> For me, now that firefox is requiring openjdk uploads, I've been roped in to do JCK testing.
[18:23]  * jdstrand feels bad :(
[18:23] <sbeattie> It's continuation of work I was doing on the QA team, so it makes sense.
[18:24] <sbeattie> My goal is to finish up work I was doing to automate setting up and running the testsuites as much as possible, to hand off to QA going forward.
[18:24] <kees> sounds good
[18:24] <jdstrand> hopefully that work can be pushed back to QA after this, and in such a manner that we can potentially verify security/SRUs going forward
[18:25]  * jdstrand isn't sure how feasible that is
[18:25] <kees> we've got 5 minutes before the next meeting starts -- that it for stand-up report?
[18:25] <sbeattie> jdstrand: that's my hope, too; the annoying bit is even with automation, the runtime component requires manual interaction and takes several hours.
[18:25] <Riddell> ofirk: we'll move kubuntu meeting to #kubuntu-devel
[18:25] <kees> Riddell: we're almost done
[18:26] <jdstrand> sbeattie: that isn't several hours of manual intervention though, is it?
[18:26] <sbeattie> kees: yes, that's it for me.
[18:26] <kees> [topic] other stuff
[18:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  other stuff
[18:26] <ofirk> Riddell: thanks
[18:26] <sbeattie> jdstrand: yes, I believe so.
[18:26] <jdstrand> ah bummer
[18:26] <kees> anyone got any other things for the security team?  nxvl, jjohansen: anything you guys need?
[18:26] <jdstrand> I was hoping it was a little intervention, then it just takes a long time
[18:26] <nxvl> kees: yes, but firefox needs to be updated, so no :(
[18:27] <nxvl> :P
[18:27] <jjohansen> not me
[18:27] <kees> nxvl: heh.  yeah, it's a lot of work, but i'll be worth it.  :)
[18:27] <kees> okay, thanks everyone!
[18:27] <kees> #endmeeting
[18:27] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:27.
[18:27] <sbeattie> woot thanks.
[18:27] <jdstrand> nxvl: btw, I think 3.6.6 for hardy lpia is ready, and i386 is currently building
[18:28] <jdstrand> thanks kees!
[18:28]  * nxvl cries
[18:28] <jdstrand> heh
[18:29]  * maco waves to lex79
[18:29]  * ikonia waves to maco
[18:30]  * lex79 hugs maco
[18:30]  * shadeslayer waves to *
[18:30]  * a|wen just waves wildly
[18:30] <Riddell> good evening friends
[18:30] <Riddell> how are we today?
[18:30] <a|wen> evening Riddell
[18:30] <neversfelde> evening
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> o/
[18:30] <lex79> o/
[18:30] <shadeslayer> evening all :D
[18:31] <agateau> evening!
[18:31] <apachelogger> lo
[18:31] <Riddell> neversfelde, apachelogger, JontheEchidna, ScottK: council poke
[18:31] <ScottK> Here
[18:31] <apachelogger> ouch
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> here
[18:31] <neversfelde> here
[18:31] <DarkwingDuck_> Did I make it?
[18:31]  * bulldog98 waves back and waves to everybody he hasn’t waved to
[18:32] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: yeah :)
[18:32] <Riddell> first thing is to welcome the new council members
[18:32]  * ScottK has never been on a council before.
[18:32] <ikonia> new council members ?
[18:32] <ikonia> which council ?
[18:32] <Riddell> and thank the ones whose time came to an end
[18:32] <Riddell> kubuntu council
[18:32] <shadeslayer> ikonia: Kubuntu Council
[18:32] <ikonia> ah
[18:32] <Riddell> thanks to nightrose, seele and me!
[18:32] <yuriy> hi everyone
[18:32] <ofirk> I'm back
[18:32] <ryanakca> Hi too
[18:33] <Riddell> welcome along ScottK, neversfelde and little me
[18:33] <Riddell> may we not have to vote much
[18:33] <rbelem> Hello guys
[18:33] <Riddell> shall we start with memberships?
[18:33] <ryanakca> *nod*
[18:33] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[18:33] <Riddell> ofirk: want to go first?
[18:34] <ofirk> Riddell: sure
[18:34] <Riddell> tell us who you are
[18:34] <ofirk> My name is Ofir Klinger, I am 21 years old
[18:34] <Riddell> and why you want to be a kubuntu member
[18:34] <ofirk> I live in Israel near Tel Aviv
[18:34] <ofirk> I am a student for Electrical Engineering at Bar-Ilan University
[18:34] <ofirk> I started learning website building 7 years ago. I know PHP, HTML, CSS and JS. I also know how to write plugins for Wordpress and how to build websites using Wordpress and of course, Drupal. I like building and maintaining websites, currently I have 5 websites which I maintain.
[18:34] <ofirk> I am an OSS user in the last 7 years. Starting with PHP which was my first open source software. I then moved to Firefox and OpenOffice. Later I discovered Ubuntu when it was in its 6.06 LTS version.
[18:34] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OfirKlinger  https://edge.launchpad.net/~klinger-ofir
[18:35] <ofirk> I began using Ubuntu 6.06 and exploring the Ubuntu world. I always wanted to move to Kubuntu but KDE3 was a little complicated for me. When Kubuntu moved to KDE4, I switched to it. Since then I feel proud about the great operation system Kubuntu is, and the great developers behind it.
[18:35] <ofirk> I always wanted to contribute to Ubuntu and Kubuntu. I tried to get into C++, python and other desktop oriented programming and never succeeded. Hence, I helped translating Ubuntu through LP.
[18:35] <ofirk> After Karmic launch, the Project Timelord was announced. I saw the announcement on the kubuntu-devel mailing-list and decided to offer my help where I know the most: Website Building and Maintaining. I replied to the announcement and Ryan got back to me.
[18:36] <ofirk> I worked on the new Kubuntu website for more than 7 months. The site was build to give first good  impression on Kubuntu. Therefore, I worked for many days on the site structure, based on what the avg. user would look for and where he would look. Then I moved to the look&feel, trying to give a nice and comfort look to the site. I also included elements from Kubuntu itself.
[18:36] <ofirk> I am constantly searching of ways to improve Kubuntu's image on the web by building professional sites (Kubuntu's main website, Kubuntu's wiki, Kubuntu's shipit website).
[18:36] <ofirk> I am planing to add more features to the website for the next Kubuntu release. Like, multi-language support which includes RTL supports, new or at least update the feature tour and unified look for all Kubuntu websites like the wiki.
[18:37] <Riddell> what is the quality of internationalation into Hebrew and other semitic languages in Kubuntu?
[18:37] <ofirk> Not so good
[18:37] <ScottK> How well does RTL work?
[18:37] <Riddell> uh oh
[18:38] <neversfelde> and what is RTL?
[18:38] <ofirk> There are no many Hebrew translators and RTL is pretty much bad
[18:38] <a|wen> neversfelde: right-to-left writing
[18:38] <ofirk> Right-to-Left
[18:38] <ryanakca> neversfelde: Right to left
[18:38] <neversfelde> thanks
[18:38] <apachelogger> a|wen: one can also read :P
[18:38] <a|wen> apachelogger: not me ;)
[18:38] <apachelogger> oh, poor you
[18:38] <Riddell> ofirk: what still needs doing before we can tell the sysadmins to make the new website live?
[18:39] <ofirk> Riddell: I already told them to make it live
[18:39] <apachelogger> well, I might mention that from what I know our lack of developers who use RTL systems and in general less europeanish languages is a bit of a problem
[18:39] <Riddell> ofirk: ooh!
[18:39] <ofirk> I think that in the next couple of days it will be live
[18:39] <apachelogger> ofirk: does israel have a loco?
[18:39] <ofirk> apachelogger: yes
[18:39] <Riddell> ofirk: what tools did you use to make the new website design?
[18:40] <ofirk> their main field of work is translations
[18:40] <apachelogger> ofirk: nothing on the promotion side?
[18:40] <ofirk> NetBeans, Drupal 6, Apache, Mysql, PHP and of course Kubuntu :)
[18:40] <ofirk> apachelogger: promotion for what?
[18:41] <apachelogger> the Ubuntu product line
[18:41] <shadeslayer> ofirk: like promotion of Ubuntu ;)
[18:41] <Riddell> ofirk: netbeans does HTML?
[18:41] <ofirk> Riddell: HTML, PHP, CSS, JS (it is not WYSIWYG)
[18:41] <ofirk> apachelogger:  I mainly worked on the Kubuntu website
[18:42] <ofirk> the feature tour is kind of promotion to Kubuntu
[18:42] <apachelogger> ofirk: yeah, but the loco in general, do you happen to know if anything promotional is going on there?
[18:42] <apachelogger> love the feature tour btw :D
[18:42] <neversfelde> ofirk: will you focus on making the website better in future or do you have plans to get in touch with other parts of the development?
[18:42]  * apachelogger always wanted us to have one, and now we finally will <3 <3 <3
[18:42] <ofirk> apachelogger: yes, but here in Israel you can say that Microsoft roles
[18:42] <shadeslayer> fyi feature tour has been picked up by kde-www as well,they might make something similar :D
[18:43] <ofirk> this is a shame since Israel is a good place for new things
[18:44]  * apachelogger knows that situation ... not much different in austria, just that austria is no good place for new things of any kind :?
[18:44] <apachelogger> ofirk: What, in your opinion, makes Kubuntu different from other KDE software based distros?
[18:44] <maco> apachelogger: just good for old music?
[18:45] <ofirk> I think that the whole idea behind Uubuntu to make things easier and human is Kubuntu uniqness
[18:45] <apachelogger> maco: not as old as you might think ;)
[18:45]  * Riddell points ofirk at neversfelde's question
[18:46] <ofirk> I am sorry, I don't see neversfelde's question, can you repeat it?
[18:46] <Riddell> 18:42 < neversfelde> ofirk: will you focus on making the website better in future or do you have plans to get in touch with other parts of the development?
[18:47] <ofirk> As I said above, I am planning to keep working on the website
[18:47] <Riddell> groovy
[18:47] <ofirk> As I learned, websites needs contact care
[18:47] <ryanakca> +1  for Ofir from me (not that I can vote),  the work he's done on the website is really outstanding.
[18:47] <apachelogger> ofirk: any bets on when we will reach world domination?
[18:47] <DarkwingDuck> ofirk: What are areas you have seen in Kubuntu that you feel needs to be improved?
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> +1 on outstanding website/localization work
[18:48] <ofirk> apachelogger: I hope until 10.10 ;)
[18:48] <apachelogger> oh perfect
[18:48] <apachelogger> +1
[18:48] <apachelogger> to ofirk and that bet
[18:48] <Riddell> I give ofirk a +1 for persevering so long on the website
[18:48] <neversfelde> ofirk: great, from my point of view nothing is wrong with focus on a special part, was just interested
[18:48] <ScottK> Some time after Python 3 replaces Python 2.
[18:48] <neversfelde> +1 for the great work
[18:48]  * apachelogger pokes ScottK with the fluffy stick of blinking
[18:49] <ScottK> +1 from me too.
[18:49] <apachelogger> perfect then
[18:49] <Riddell> welcome in ofirk
[18:49] <apachelogger> ofirk: congrats and welcome
[18:49] <Riddell> agateau: want to go next?
[18:49]  * a|wen cheers for ofirk
[18:49] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[18:49] <lex79> ofirk: congrats :)
[18:49] <Riddell> agateau: who are you and why do you like us?
[18:50] <agateau> Riddell: because you look handsome!
[18:50] <agateau> More seriously,
[18:50] <agateau> My name is Aurélien Gâteau, I live in France in a small village near Paris
[18:50] <Riddell> +1 for agateau!
[18:50] <DarkwingDuck> O.o *Gets the kneepads* :P
[18:50]  * apachelogger blinks
[18:50] <agateau> I am a KDE developer, I maintain Gwenview, used to be active on KIPI plugins and like to fix bugs in KDE, mostly in kdelibs and kdebase.
[18:50] <agateau> I have been using Kubuntu since Hoary Hedgehog and got more involved when I joined Canonical DX team a little more than a year ago.
[18:51] <agateau> My work at Canonical led me to create the Ayatana notifications for KDE, the message indicator and now DBusMenu. DBusMenu is used in the new KDE systemtray and is a key component of the upcomi
[18:51] <agateau> ng global menubar in Maverick.
[18:51] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AurelienGateau  https://edge.launchpad.net/~agateau
[18:51] <agateau> The notification thing also started a life of its own as Colibri
[18:51] <agateau> which I develop on my spare time
[18:52] <agateau> I have tried to get some work time dedicated to Kubuntu, with varying success. For example I was quite happy to help working on the networkmanagement Plasma applet during Lucid cycle.
[18:52] <agateau> I think that's all I have to copy'n'paste :)
[18:52] <ofirk_> Is the meeting over?
[18:52] <Riddell> the networkmanagement Plasma applet will be making its first default appearance this week in alpha 2
[18:53] <agateau> great!
[18:53] <apachelogger> <3 the plasmoid
[18:53] <Riddell> agateau: you've been at some computer shows promoting kubuntu and KDE?
[18:53] <agateau> yes, I attend Solutions Linux, a yearly french show
[18:53] <agateau> I have been holding the KDE booth there for a few years
[18:54] <a|wen> ofirk_: not at all
[18:54] <apachelogger> agateau: so, one year and only now you considered to go for membership, what took you so long? :O
[18:54] <agateau> I am primarily there to promote KDE but give a lot of Kubuntu cd as well
[18:54] <agateau> apachelogger: being in a delicate position as part of my work for Canonica,
[18:54] <agateau> *Canonical,
[18:55] <agateau> I wanted to be sure I get to know the community well enough
[18:55] <agateau> to request membership
[18:55] <Riddell> agateau: do you have any plans to get upload privilages in future?
[18:55] <agateau> I was able to meet some Kubuntu devs at 3 UDS now, which makes me feel a bit more part of the family
[18:55] <apachelogger> wheter you like us for realz ^^
[18:55] <agateau> Riddell: I don't think packaging is really my thing
[18:56] <agateau> Riddell: at least that's not the reason for applying
[18:56] <agateau> I like to help out Kubuntu by sharing my little knowledge of kdelibs
[18:56] <agateau> and Qt
[18:56] <agateau> but I'd also like to be more involved in Kubuntu specific tools
[18:56] <agateau> as well as default configuration
[18:57] <apachelogger> agateau: What in your opinion makes Kubuntu different from other KDE software based distributions?
[18:57] <lex79> agateau: is there a plan for sound menu and amarok?
[18:57] <agateau> lex79: yes there is
[18:57] <lex79> good :)
[18:57] <agateau> apachelogger: I must confess I haven't been looking out a lot these days
[18:58] <agateau> before Hoary, I used Archlinux (0.5, wooo) and before that Mandrake
[18:58] <agateau> What I like about Kubuntu is that it comes with KDE and is stable enough that my wife can bare it
[18:58] <agateau> (which was not the case with Archlinux :))
[18:59] <apachelogger> :D
[18:59] <apachelogger> I wonder why
[18:59] <apachelogger> <3 arch
[18:59]  * zkriesse wonders if this is a kubuntu membership meeting
[18:59] <apachelogger> well, then +1 for bringing Kubuntu love to KDE or KDE love to Kubuntu, something along those lines anyway :)
[18:59] <agateau> don't get me wrong, I like some of the ideas of arch, but I don't think it's a distro geared towards people who have a life beyond computers :)
[18:59] <lex79> indeed
[19:00] <Riddell> zkriesse: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[19:00] <Riddell> oh
[19:00] <zkriesse> Riddell: that sucks
[19:00] <Riddell> welcome back
[19:00] <Riddell> well I already voted on agateau, others need to vote now :)
[19:00] <apachelogger> I love a good netsplit in a meeting.
[19:01] <zkriesse> I think i've been dropped once
[19:01] <Riddell> oh yes, still split, sigh
[19:01]  * apachelogger waits for council to return
[19:01] <Riddell> everyone here now?
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> about half the channel is unconnected
[19:01] <ScottK> Just remember: They are disconnected from us.
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> all better now
[19:01] <Riddell> put your hand up if you're still split from the network
[19:01] <DarkwingDuck> o/
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> :P
[19:01] <apachelogger> ^^
[19:01] <ScottK> Looks OK
[19:01]  * DarkwingDuck ducks
[19:01] <Riddell> any more questions for agateau?
[19:01]  * zkriesse is an ubuntu member...can he vote too?
[19:02] <DarkwingDuck> zkriesse: no
[19:02] <ScottK> From during the split:
[19:02] <ScottK> [14:00:23] <shadeslayer> i helped other new users who had problems understanding how to use their new systems,since i had just gone through the same experience,the most general questions i encountered were about mp3 playback and flash :D
[19:02] <ScottK> [14:00:24] <shadeslayer> then slowly i got into ISO testing,this was during the 9.10 cycle,i reported various bugs in the ISO's
[19:02] <ScottK> [14:00:28] <shadeslayer> fortunately you guys over at #kubuntu-devel helped me get the proper info into those bugs and corrected them in the packages :D
[19:02] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Go
[19:02]  * shadeslayer types till then
[19:02] <shadeslayer> after i understood the lp bug system and how to effectively report bugs i helped other users get more info into their bug reports,recently i have joined the bug squad to help out more in that area , i also help by forwarding bugs upstrea,
[19:02] <shadeslayer> *upstream
[19:02] <ScottK> Riddell: We were talking with shadeslayer: were you talking with agateau?
[19:02] <apachelogger> we were talking about agateau while you were talking about shadeslayer
[19:03] <ScottK> Meh.
[19:03] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[19:03] <agateau> :)
[19:03] <ScottK> I guess we should back up and start over then.
[19:03] <lex79> what a mess
[19:03] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Let's let agateau go ahead.
[19:03] <shadeslayer> sure thing :D
[19:03] <apachelogger> we are already voting on him :P
[19:03] <agateau> shall I just copy'n'paste?
[19:03] <shadeslayer> awesome ;)
[19:03] <apachelogger> I would prefer someone from the council throwing a +1 in :P
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> agateau: please :)
[19:04] <ScottK> agateau: How about a pastebin
[19:04] <agateau> ScottK: ok
[19:04] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/Jbj5AMuH
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> dang, we must have split a long time before the split showed up on our end
[19:05] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: seems so
[19:05] <agateau> http://pastebin.com/AFsJWYL3
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> no wonder the rest of the council was being so quiet ;)
[19:05] <agateau> ah, Riddell if a faster pastebiner
[19:05]  * ScottK read the backscroll.
[19:05] <ScottK> +1 from me
[19:06] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You might prepare a pastebin of all you told us during the split, so you'll be ready to go.
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> +1
[19:06] <shadeslayer> sure
[19:06]  * apachelogger waits for neversfelde
[19:06] <neversfelde> +1 agateau
[19:06] <neversfelde> sorry was busy reading the backlog
[19:07] <apachelogger> anyone else? no?
[19:07] <apachelogger> agateau: welcome and congratulations
[19:07] <agateau> thanks!
[19:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: you didn't vote?
[19:07] <a|wen> congrats agateau!
[19:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: I did in your paste :P
[19:07] <agateau> Riddell: he did, one or two split ago :)
[19:07]  * DarkwingDuck gives a futbol clap
[19:07] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Paste your bin.
[19:07] <shadeslayer> http://shadeslayer.pastebin.com/vNUxCwMt
[19:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: 18:59 < apachelogger> well, then +1 for bringing Kubuntu love to KDE or KDE love to Kubuntu, something along those lines anyway :)
[19:08] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Arch or Kubuntu?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> So basically as you can see i love to break stuff and then fix it,so that other users may not experience this issue
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> My sigh is out of context in there :P
[19:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Arch for bleeding edge,Kubuntu for long term
[19:08]  * apachelogger thinks that JontheEchidna is sighing too much
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> (that is when we first saw the netsplit)
[19:09]  * ScottK wonders if a person can sustain two loves?
[19:09] <shadeslayer> ScottK: basically i use arch for confirming KDE bugs ( and that too i have installed only yesterday _
[19:09] <apachelogger> since arch is super hyp0r distro now
[19:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Who go the better KDE?!
[19:09] <apachelogger> and why ^^
[19:10] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/shadeslayer https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg
[19:10] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: from your experience, what can we do better to make it easier for people to get in touch with Kubuntu development?
[19:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: again,kubuntu has a very good KDE enviroment,but mem consumption on arch is very low,if that comes to Kubuntu,ill shun arch :P
[19:10] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If we had a bleeding edge repository for KDE trunk, would you still need Arch?
[19:10] <shadeslayer> ScottK: nope
[19:10]  * ikonia would like to comment on shadeslayer
[19:11] <apachelogger> pfff, uninstall all the goodness and youll consume as much mem as arch :P
[19:11]  * ScottK opens up a space for ikonia.
[19:11] <apachelogger> ikonia: please just go ahead
[19:11] <ikonia> it's only quick, I don't normally speak out for people in this sort of way but thought shadeslayer a worth while effort
[19:11] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: well.. first we need a proper medium to channel the bugs,apachelogger has a awesome bug triage policy lined up,that gets the right bugs to the right people,and im trying to implement it on my end
[19:11] <ikonia> when shadeslayer first came to ubuntu in an IRC capacity, he was a pain, no other way to say it, but I've rarley seen someone work with such effort to understand what ubuntu is about
[19:12] <ikonia> his change has been outstanding and long term too, he provides a valuable contribution to ubuntu/kubuntu in many ways
[19:12] <ikonia> I feel membership would be a good reward and inspiriation for a stunning turn around and sustained contribution
[19:13] <ikonia> great potential and enthusiasm, great attiude and willingness to listen and participate
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[19:13]  * apachelogger thanks ikonia for taking away a wonderful question apachelogger had queued :)
[19:13] <ikonia> apachelogger: sorry
[19:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the other day pinotree seemed surprised when you asked a question in #kde-devel, do you think that was fair?
[19:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: a bit,yes,but that is to be expected when i learnt that he comes from debian
[19:14] <shadeslayer> debian has *very* high standards of packaging imo
[19:14] <apachelogger> ikonia: it's better to hear praise from someone else anyway :)
[19:15] <ikonia> apachelogger: I don't do it for many - I think it's worthwihle in this case
[19:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Kubuntu does not? Should Kubuntu move more towards Debian's standards?
[19:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also pinotree is highly expericened and im just starting out with packaging,so he has every right to question me
[19:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Kubuntu also does have very high packaging standards,but not _as_ high as debian
[19:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: for example my qipmsg package :P
[19:16] <lex79> well, they have more time than us
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> ^more patience, maybe :P
[19:16] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: exactly :)
[19:16] <apachelogger> they are into pain I hear :P
[19:16] <apachelogger> anyhow
[19:16] <shadeslayer> Also ive recently put my hands in the world of packaging,ive done some packaging for kubuntu when we have KDE release
[19:16] <shadeslayer> +s
[19:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you going to become elite Kubuntu packager or elite KDE developer or both?
[19:17]  * DarkwingDuck makes a note who to pick the mind of when learning packaging
[19:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kubuntu membership will give you access to the bzr packaging archive, do you think you're ready for that?
[19:17] <shadeslayer> some of my packages have been picked up by debian,for eg : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=580718
[19:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: both!
[19:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes,but i will always request a review in my own lp account first
[19:17] <ikonia> ambitious
[19:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw i saw your ubuntu-core-dev app :P
[19:18] <apachelogger> the application that is an application :D
[19:18] <shadeslayer> didnt read the code much :)
[19:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how did you learn packaging?
[19:18] <apachelogger> was a quick hack anyway
[19:18] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: you told me, that there were/are no FOSS events in india, so I was surprised to see that there seems to be a very active community http://www.ubuntu-in.info/wiki/Events Are you part of this Loco team?
[19:18] <shadeslayer> oh and also,im working on apturl support for rekonq
[19:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i poked apachelogger :D
[19:19] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: i am a part of the loco as in i put my name in the contacts
[19:19]  * apachelogger has a pokeme sign it seems ^^
[19:19] <Quintasan|Szel> We're still on membership? :)
[19:19] <DarkwingDuck> Quintasan|Szel: yes
[19:19]  * Quintasan|Szel went swimming and forgot about meeting @_@
[19:19] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: but,our mailing is heavily spammed,and there are no events near my locality
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan|Szel: takes a while when you have 4 people to confirm, and a netsplit after the first
[19:19] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Don't worry... I'm going to add you to my quit message so you get pings
[19:19] <Quintasan|Szel> JontheEchidna: oh well, :<
[19:19] <apachelogger> cool
[19:20]  * apachelogger hugs DarkwingDuck
[19:20] <apachelogger> well
[19:20] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: also sayakb the loco contact has since left the Ubuntu project
[19:20] <apachelogger> any important messages for shadeslayer remaining?
[19:20] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: ah ok, it is not easy to manage a Loco in such a big country, is it?
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan|Szel: then one side proceeded to grill agateau, while the other split half of the channel grilled shadeslayer, so we had to restart both :P
[19:20]  * apachelogger fears we might be carried away a bit :)
[19:20] <Riddell> let's vote
[19:20] <neversfelde> yes
[19:20] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: nope :)
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> +1 shadeslayer for general participation and enthusiasm
[19:21] <Riddell> I give a +1 for lots of activity in a few areas with quick learning times
[19:21] <Riddell> s/a few/several/
[19:22] <apachelogger> I shall give shadeslayer a solid +1 for poking me and for soon taking over kubuntu-debug-installer maintainership from me ;)
[19:22] <neversfelde> +1
[19:22] <Riddell> let's see if we can get him to give up that arch habit :)
[19:22]  * apachelogger highlights ScottK
[19:22] <ScottK> +1 from me
[19:22]  * Riddell wonders about shadeslayer for project neon maintainer
[19:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: congrats and welcome to the crew
[19:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw kubuntu-kde-konqueror-shortcuts was removed with last update,no idea where it went
[19:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: Quintasan|Szel is signed up for that
[19:23] <ScottK> Riddell: That's what I was thinking
[19:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: woohhh
[19:23] <lex79> shadeslayer: congrats :)
[19:23] <ikonia> council - use this guy up, good call
[19:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: Then they can work together.
[19:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: not doing a terribly good job though, we should reconsider his membership status ;)
[19:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: had a talk wit apachelogger about it :P
[19:23] <shadeslayer> lex79: thanks LD
[19:23] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:23] <Riddell> bulldog98: about?
[19:23] <apachelogger> bulldog98: pingly
[19:23] <Riddell> or maybe he's bulldog98_konver
[19:23] <Quintasan|Szel> I would like to talk about it for a bit after the whole agenda (Project Neon)
[19:24] <apachelogger> bulldog98: bulldog98_konver: who are you and what do you do to deserve membership :)
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan|Szel: is it something that needs council decsison or could it been in #kubuntu-devel after the meeting?
[19:24] <Quintasan|Szel> #kubuntu-devel is fine
[19:24] <bulldog98> so my name is Jonathan Kolberg and i’m a German
[19:24] <bulldog98> I’m going to school atm but I’ll leave it soon
[19:25] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/bulldog98  https://edge.launchpad.net/~bulldog98
[19:26] <bulldog98> I deserve Membership because I think that makes clear that I belong to the Kubuntu Community and that’s the goal I want to reach belonging to the Kubuntu Communtity
[19:26] <bulldog98> my problem atm is that my network connection is very slow so it can take a time till I answer
[19:27] <Riddell> bulldog98: what did you package which had licence issues?
[19:29] <apachelogger> bulldog98: when did you start using Kubuntu and when did you start contributing?
[19:30] <bulldog98_konver> apachelogger: I started using Kubuntu at 8.04
[19:30] <bulldog98_konver> and I realy loved it after years of windows 95
[19:30] <bulldog98_konver> but only 4 days after installing Kubuntu 8.04 I started to use KDE 4.0 from the PPA
[19:31] <apachelogger> ok, that is seriously scary :O
[19:31] <bulldog98_konver> I tryed different distros by now (including Arch) but they were noting for me
[19:31] <bulldog98_konver> because I like the Debian package format and the Community behind Kubuntu
[19:32] <neversfelde> bulldog98: I saw you starting a lot of new things in the last few weeks, do you think you can manage all the work that comes with this?
[19:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think he was refering to http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/babeleo
[19:32] <bulldog98> that was a small Plasmoid babeleo and it’s a widget to translate words with help of eg leo.org
[19:32] <bulldog98> the issue was that the author didn’t mentioned the license of the icon and because of that we’ll have to wait for his reaction
[19:32] <bulldog98_konver> neversfelde: I don’t know wether I can do managing that but I think, that I’ll have more time next school year
[19:33] <apachelogger> bulldog98: Does Arch or Kubuntu have the better KDE implementation?
[19:33] <Quintasan> wrong answer == not a member
[19:33] <Quintasan> :P
[19:33] <bulldog98_konver> apachelogger: I think Kubuntu has a great implementation
[19:33] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[19:33] <Riddell> bulldog98: what do you consider to be your most significant contribution to Kubuntu?
[19:33]  * apachelogger smells a but
[19:34] <ScottK> apachelogger: TMI.
[19:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: one t, one :P
[19:36] <bulldog98_konver> Riddell: that was the translation of the Kubuntu Docs which the German Kubuntu Community did
[19:36] <bulldog98_konver> and also I think promoting Kubuntu at the LinuxTag
[19:36] <bulldog98_konver> was an improtant contribution to Kubuntu
[19:36] <Riddell> bulldog98_konver: is rekonq very unstable for everyone or just me in the previous few weeks?
[19:37]  * apachelogger found it more unstable too
[19:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thats a flash issue..
[19:37]  * JontheEchidna has been a bad boy and has been using chromium all week
[19:37] <neversfelde> bulldog98_konver is also very active in the german community forum
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: we have the flash patch, so it shouldn't be that
[19:37] <bulldog98_konver> Riddell: the Problem is not rekonq it’s flash
[19:37] <bulldog98_konver> flash make’s rekonq crash
[19:37] <bulldog98_konver> but in the trunk there is an workaround and also QWebKit is working on that
[19:37] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: oh you guys applied it?
[19:38]  * shadeslayer sees the latest commits
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rekonq/0.4.95-0ubuntu3
[19:38] <neversfelde> bulldog98_konver: how can I proof anything about LinuxTag, I was not there? :)
[19:39] <Riddell> neversfelde: what does bulldog98 do in the german forum?
[19:39] <bulldog98_konver> neversfelde: in KDE planet there was a picture of my (together with the whole team)
[19:39] <bulldog98_konver> and Blizzz can support that
[19:40] <neversfelde> Riddell: he's an active supporter and moderator
[19:41] <ScottK> bulldog98_konver: Being a Kubuntu Member gives you the ability to commit to the bzr branches we use for packaging.  how would you deal with that?
[19:42] <bulldog98_konver> ScottK: I would look tree times over the things before I commit them and then I would as two guys in #kubuntu-devel to look over that, so nothing can go wrong
[19:42] <bulldog98_konver> +ask
[19:43] <Riddell> well I like what I see, I'm just undecided if it tips the balance on the sustained and significant scale
[19:44] <neversfelde> bulldog98_konver: I saw you talking with neverendingo about overtaking the maintainership of kde.de?
[19:45] <bulldog98_konver> neversfelde: yes I think promoting kde in German is also very important, because it’s our upstream
[19:45] <neversfelde> bulldog98_konver: so you will do this in future?
[19:46] <bulldog98_konver> we should work not only for Kubuntu, we should also work upstream, so everybody has something of our work
[19:46] <bulldog98_konver> neversfelde: yes I’m willing to take care of that
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> I have to step away for a moment, bbiab
[19:48] <neversfelde> so I think I can give a +1 for beeing connected to upstream rekonq and the website team and for your contribution to Kubuntu, I am sure, we will see some of your packages and bugfixes in the archive soon?
[19:48] <Riddell> I'm going to vote a +0 because I think there's lots of good stuff in there but not quite enough for membership yet
[19:49] <ScottK> bulldog98: Are you here?
[19:50] <Riddell> maybe not
[19:50] <neversfelde> seems not, I will talk to him
[19:50]  * Quintasan senses a network failure
[19:50]  * ScottK would be +0 also.
[19:50] <DarkwingDuck> He said he had a bad connection
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> +0, maybe in a month or so he could make it
[19:50] <ScottK> neversfelde: What I saw was good, but I'm not sure itt gets to sustained and significant.
[19:50] <apachelogger> +0 sames reasons
[19:50] <Riddell> I think he should gather some more testimonials from kubuntu-de folks and get those on his wiki page and do some more direct kubuntu contributions like packaging or testing and come back next meeting
[19:51] <ScottK> I'd definitely like to seem him back in a bit.
[19:51] <Riddell> for sure
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> He is definitely on the right track
[19:51] <Riddell> thanks for putting up with the grilling bulldog98 and shadeslayer, agateau, ofirk
[19:51] <apachelogger> +1 on both the thinking of Riddell and the seeing him back :)
[19:51] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:51] <Riddell> long meeting, sorry folks
[19:51] <ScottK> I need to leave in about two minutes to pick up a child from day care.
[19:51] <Riddell> Spec review for Maverick Meerkat
[19:51] <ScottK> Riddell: +1 the specs from me.
[19:52] <neversfelde> ScottK: sure, i know him from the german team and so I see more of his work. He should be more active in the international Kubuntu team and then I think he will make it soon
[19:52] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickSpecs
[19:53] <ScottK> neversfelde: OK.  I don't want him to feel discouraged.
[19:53] <Riddell> and hopefully everyone has seen https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[19:54] <Riddell> I need to poke rbelem and dantii and others for updates on the specs they know about
[19:54] <Riddell> but not just now
[19:54]  * apachelogger is killing items off the TODO without him knowing btw ^^
[19:54]  * rbelem is here
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> the council spec is done though, right?
[19:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes indeed
[19:54] <Riddell> oh no, tutorials day still WIP
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> packaging, global menu bar, and default browsing are well underway
[19:55] <Riddell> maybe should have renamed that spec community stuff
[19:55] <Riddell> rbelem: what's the status of Kubuntu Maverick File Sharing?
[19:55] <DarkwingDuck> Anything from you guys to us Doc guys?
[19:55] <Riddell> anything worth packaging in a PPA yet?
[19:55] <bulldog98> ScottK: I’m here again
[19:56] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: more docs please :)
[19:56] <rbelem> I upload the first patch to kde reeview board
[19:56] <rbelem> And now im finishing the requested changes
[19:56] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Okay. :) I'll have the bugs from Lucid fixed this week so that gives me time.
[19:56] <Riddell> rbelem: can you e-mail that URL to kubuntu-devel mailing list?
[19:56] <rbelem> Yep :)
[19:57] <neversfelde> bulldog98: I sent you a message in a query
[19:57] <Riddell> rbelem: what state is plasma mobile in?
[19:58] <rbelem> It is packed now and it is in the repos
[19:58] <Riddell> rbelem: when I tried it, it started in a window frame, is that ment to happen?
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> neat!
[19:58] <rbelem> I'm about to make some updates to it
[19:59] <rbelem> With the --nodesktop?
[19:59] <Riddell> rbelem: I didn't try that
[20:00] <Riddell> everyone +1 on the specs anyway?
[20:00] <rbelem> It was working fine to me. And i will try it in arm
[20:00]  * Riddell suspects everyone has fallen asleep
[20:01] <rbelem> :)
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: +1
[20:01] <Riddell> we were hoping to look at lex79's kubuntu-dev application with kubuntu-dev folks too
[20:01] <Riddell> not sure if we have enough kubuntu-dev folks though
[20:01] <lex79> I'm here
[20:01] <Riddell> apachelogger, JontheEchidna, NCommander: up for that?
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> I'm here
[20:02] <apachelogger> ack
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> got another hour
[20:02]  * Quintasan 's vote doesn't count but he would go +1 :P
[20:02] <Riddell> lex79: what's the URL to your page?
[20:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we need 4 for quorum?
[20:02] <lex79> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/alessandro-ghersi/KubuntuDeveloperApplication
[20:03] <rbelem> Riddell, i did not uploaded the latest patch because i'm having problems with internet in my city
[20:03] <rbelem> I'm connect to irc via mobile phone
[20:03] <rbelem> :)
[20:03] <neversfelde> btw. bulldog has connection problems and will be here again on one of the next meetings
[20:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't remember if that has ever been decided
[20:03] <Riddell> council is quorum at three
[20:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: I seem to remember having read a spec about that for lucid
[20:04] <apachelogger> well, we can always derive the voting to the list anyway
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> s/derive/defer?
[20:05] <apachelogger> aye
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> That would be good I think, since ScottK also had stuff he wanted to say
[20:05] <apachelogger> well, lets have a quick interview and then move this on to the list
[20:05] <Riddell> lex79: kubuntu-dev gives you elite upload rights to give packages which many people will be using, do you know your limits for what to upload and what to ask for help on?
[20:06] <lex79> yes I know my limits....
[20:06] <apachelogger> lex79: what was your worst somewhat recent screwup and what did you learn from it?
[20:06]  * Quintasan wonders if that have even happened
[20:07] <lex79> well, I forgot to left a note in the wiki ninja about the kinfocenter issue, so we have uploaded the package without the fix.
[20:07] <lex79> kdebase-workspace
[20:07] <lex79> :)
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> this was the problem where most of kinfocenter wasn't installed?
[20:07] <lex79> yes, I didn't deliberately uploading a broken kinfocenter, just forgot to say is not ready.
[20:08]  * apachelogger was all confused about that issue :D
[20:08] <lex79> -workspace is a big package now, and it needs more attention before the upload
[20:08] <apachelogger> so
[20:08] <lex79> I learned from that mistake :)
[20:08] <apachelogger> lex79: what do you think we can/should improve about he workings of kubuntu development / ninja work
[20:08] <lex79> in fact this time with RC1 I left a note about python issue in -workspace that I fixed before the upload
[20:08] <Riddell> lex79: why is the package for KDE 4 libraries called kdelibs5 ?
[20:09] <lex79> kdelibs5 means kde4 libraries
[20:09] <lex79> kdelibs4
[20:09] <lex79> means kde3 libraries
[20:09] <apachelogger> lex79: I think Riddell is hinting towards - why does it have a 5 even though it is from KDE 4
[20:09] <lex79> I mean 4c2a
[20:10] <lex79> uhm because is in conflict with kde 4libraries ? :)
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> sorta
[20:10] <apachelogger> say there is libuntuone1 what conclusion can we draw from it having a 1 attached?
[20:11] <lex79> soname version
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> what causes the need to bump an soname version?
[20:12] <apachelogger> that is a tricky one :D
[20:12] <Quintasan> :3
[20:12] <lex79> I don't understand the question
[20:12] <lex79> if you bump the soname
[20:12] <lex79> yu have to rebuild rdepends
[20:12] <lex79> *you
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> why would you ever need to change it from libubuntuone1 to libubuntuone2, from a coding point of view?
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> ^is what I meant
[20:13] <lex79> maybe because is BIC ?
[20:13] <lex79> :)
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> exactly!
[20:13] <lex79> +1 for me
[20:13]  * apachelogger would appreciate answers, not questoins :P
[20:13] <lex79> :)
[20:13] <Quintasan> BIC?
[20:13] <lex79> binary incompatible
[20:13] <Quintasan> oh
[20:14] <Riddell> lex79: what are the issues with upload a package which contains icons which are licenced under a creative commons licence?
[20:14] <apachelogger> lex79: what is the purpose of debian/compat?
[20:15] <lex79> Riddell: I don't know
[20:15] <lex79> apachelogger: The compat file defines the debhelper compatibility level
[20:15] <lex79> Riddell: I'm not a king of copyright file, indeed
[20:15] <apachelogger> what does this mean?
[20:15] <lex79> well if you use compat 7
[20:15] <lex79> you should use debhelper 7
[20:15] <lex79> > 7
[20:16] <apachelogger> well
[20:16] <apachelogger> what if the archive contains debhelper version 7
[20:16] <apachelogger> and debian/compact contains 5
[20:16] <apachelogger> what does this mean for the build process?
[20:17] <lex79> debian/compat controls how debhelper works
[20:17] <lex79> this prevents existing packages from being broken by a new version of debhelper
[20:17] <lex79> that is what I know
[20:17] <apachelogger> yeah, good enough for me :)
[20:18] <Riddell> ooh ooh I got one
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> (It tells debhelper to act as if it were version 5)
[20:18] <lex79> thanks apachelogger
[20:18] <Riddell> lex79: what's better, cdbs or debhelper 7?
[20:18] <lex79> omg
[20:18] <Riddell> :)
[20:18] <Quintasan> :D
[20:18] <apachelogger> lol
[20:18] <lex79> cdbs is fast for write a package
[20:18] <lex79> debhelper is the new way :)
[20:19] <lex79> but seems high quality than cdbs
[20:19] <lex79> indeed, minion likes cdbs :)
[20:20] <Riddell> ok I need to be off
[20:20]  * apachelogger has a nice question left
[20:20] <Riddell> go go apachelogger
[20:20]  * Quintasan pats lex79 
[20:20] <lex79> :(
[20:20] <apachelogger> lex79: say you want to package a source tree that contains nothing, absolutely nothing but foo.cpp and foo.h (each couple of hundred lines), at the top of each file it says that this is licensed by fluffy bunny inc. and licensed under LGPL 5 and later
[20:20] <apachelogger> is this source tree properly licensed?
[20:21] <lex79> uhm, I think the header copyright in the file should be complete to say it's properly licensed
[20:22] <apachelogger> well, assume we have a standard short-version license header
[20:22] <lex79> do you have LICENSE file in the sources?
[20:22] <yuriy> did this meeting just turn into a packaging quiz?
[20:22] <apachelogger> lex79: nothing but foo.cpp and foo.h
[20:22] <Riddell> yuriy: it turned into a kubuntu-dev grills lex79 session
[20:23] <lex79> apachelogger: so, no, it's not properly licensed
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> quite a grilling at that
[20:23] <Riddell> so far he hasn't cracked under the pressure, we're obviously not trying hard enough
[20:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: is there a difference between these two? :P
[20:23] <apachelogger> lex79: if you want you can tell us why ;)
[20:23] <apachelogger> not necessarily though, I consider the question answered
[20:24] <lex79> it's not  properly licensed because there is no a COPYRIGHT file, a complete copyright
[20:24]  * Riddell runs off, we'll let ScottK and any other kubuntu-dev review the logs and come back with a decision shortly, thanks a lot lex79 
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> +1 from me, but I move that we put the log of this portion of the meeting in a pastebin and defer the final voting to the mailing list
[20:24] <lex79> apachelogger: right?
[20:24] <lex79> Riddell: thanks
[20:24] <apachelogger> well, now you made me ask another question
[20:24] <yuriy> Riddell: oh! wasn't on the agenda
[20:25] <apachelogger> lex79: assume the license is BSD, is it properly licensed now?
[20:25] <lex79> no
[20:25] <apachelogger> why not?
[20:25] <lex79> header copyright is != COPYRIGHT file
[20:26] <lex79> you have to add a COPYRIGHT file LGPL 5 and late
[20:26] <lex79> +r
[20:26] <apachelogger> well, I have it licensed as BSD now
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> (there is no LGPL v5)
[20:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: dont give away my hints on the earlier question :P
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> :P
[20:26] <lex79> he says icensed under LGPL 5 and later
[20:27] <lex79> *licensed
[20:27] <apachelogger> I changed the question
[20:27] <apachelogger> sec
[20:27] <apachelogger> lex79: say you want to package a source tree that contains nothing, absolutely nothing but foo.cpp and foo.h (each couple of hundred lines), at the top of each file it says that this is licensed by fluffy bunny inc. and licensed under BSD using the regular BSD license header
[20:27] <apachelogger> is this source tree properly licensed?
[20:28] <apachelogger> and please explain why it is or is not.
[20:28] <lex79> if you add also the COPYRIGHT files in the sources with a complete bsd license
[20:28]  * rbelem goes off
[20:28] <lex79> yes, it's properly licensed
[20:28] <lex79> if there is no a complete bsd license in the sources, no
[20:29] <apachelogger> hm, I'll take that and say it is correct
[20:29] <apachelogger> lex79: you need a full version of GNU licenses because their long-version license text usually mentions the distribution of a copy of the full license along the source
[20:30] <apachelogger> that is specifically unarguable :P
[20:30] <lex79> ok :)
[20:30] <apachelogger> lex79: the BSD license itself is super short and what you embedd in the source file header is already the complete BSD
[20:30] <lex79> ah, now I understand :)
[20:31] <apachelogger> very well, then :)
[20:31] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I can argue with you
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> lex79: and to answer the question that Riddell asked at the beginning, a few libraries in kdelibs3 had an ABI break in kde3 times, so there were libraries with soversions of 4 in KDE3
[20:31] <apachelogger> +1 very capable answers
[20:31] <Quintasan> :P
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> lex79: so they had to bump it to kdelibs4 in kde3 times
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> and kdelibs5 in kde4 times
[20:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you want to take the application + log to the list? ;)
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> that's what I was trying to get out of my questions about soversions
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sure
[20:32] <lex79> JontheEchidna: thanks :)
[20:32] <apachelogger> thanks everyone who is still around :)
[20:32] <apachelogger> lex79: special thanks so far :)
[20:32] <Quintasan> :3
[20:32] <lex79> apachelogger: you are a bad cop
[20:32] <lex79> :P
[20:32]  * Quintasan pats lex79 
[20:33] <Quintasan> good job
[20:33]  * JontheEchidna is probably good cop then :P
[20:33] <lex79> nope :)
[20:34]  * Quintasan is next one to be grilled when applying for kubuntu-dev
[20:34] <Quintasan> :3
[20:36] <apachelogger> FYI: meeting is over :)
[20:36]  * Quintasan pulls apachelogger back to #kubuntu-devel