[01:06] <kieppie> hi guys. I'm sure you get this a lot, but is TB 3.1 not stable yet? is the only way to install it either from source or from ppa daily-builds (which I've had load of issues with in the past)
[01:06] <kieppie> ?
[01:12] <micahg> kieppie: daily build is broke ATM, it is stable, but not packaged yet
[01:12] <micahg> kieppie: should be available in a couple weeks in maverick and one week after that in the stable PPA
[01:12]  * micahg will try to push 3.0.5 up to stable PPA tonight
[01:16] <micahg> kieppie: most of our efforts have been trying to get Firefox 3.6.4 to Hardy, Jaunty, and Karmic
[01:50] <kieppie> thanks
[02:26] <kieppie> micahg: thanks for the update. I've been trying to install the lightning add-on, so I can so calendaring & stuff, but it requires 3.1 . will have to wait...
[02:28] <micahg> kieppie: that's a whole other issue :)
[02:28] <kieppie> heheeh
[02:28] <kieppie> ok
[02:28] <micahg> kieppie: I have to package lightning 1.0b1 before I can package TB3.1
[02:28] <kieppie> I'll try & be patient
[02:28] <kieppie> fark!
[02:28] <kieppie> that's a *lot* of work....
[02:29] <micahg> kieppie: we're a little short handed at the moment :)
[02:32] <micahg> kieppie: there's a packaging bug for TB3.1 if you want to subscribe
[03:45] <JoeMaverickSett> namoroka 3.6.7pre pops up Facebook Chat in another tab, have you exprienced that?
[03:46]  * micahg doesn't use facebook
[10:39] <fta2> jdstrand, mdeslaur: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/5.0.375.86~r49890-0ubuntu0.10.04.1/
[10:51] <fta2> jdstrand, mdeslaur: it has the same things as maverick (security + fixes) + a few more fixes that were already in maverick
[10:55] <BUGabundo_remote> fta now its asac spaming your identica, not me
[10:56] <BUGabundo_remote> :D
[10:56] <asac> lol
[10:56] <asac> sometimes ... sometimes ;)
[10:57] <BUGabundo_remote> then again, I don't think either of you does follow me ;(
[11:00] <asac> BUGabundo_remote: i lost track of you when you opened two accounts
[11:00] <asac> its too confusing
[11:00] <asac> not sure if you fixed that already
[11:02] <BUGabundo_remote> http://brainbird.net/BUGabundo/
[11:02] <BUGabundo_remote> federation is confusing?
[11:03] <BUGabundo_remote> ehe
[11:03] <BUGabundo_remote> try this, send : unsub bugabundo
[11:03] <BUGabundo_remote> several times till you get a notice saying you are no longer subbed to any BUGabundo
[11:03] <BUGabundo_remote> then send : sub http://brainbird.net/BUGabundo/
[11:03] <BUGabundo_remote> that's it
[11:04] <asac> BUGabundo_remote: cant i subscribe to your identi.ca account?
[11:06] <asac> hell. that was tough
[11:06] <asac> i think i subscribed now
[11:06] <asac> will flag you soon ;)
[11:08] <BUGabundo_remote> asac: sure, if you want to get flooded by rss
[11:47] <gnomefreak> what does rhythmbox and firefox have to do with each other?
[11:48] <gnomefreak> here is what i am referring to http://paste.ubuntu.com/456329/
[12:41] <fta2> BUGabundo_remote, i'm no longer using gwibber. a/ it crashes on startup most of the time (couchdb), b/ erlang is a cpu pig, c/ since it's in the app indicator, i lost track of it (invisible = inexistent for me)
[12:42] <fta2> asac, could you please have a look at bug 570812?
[12:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 570812 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Use the ubuntu startpage by default (affects: 2) (heat: 22)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570812
[12:59] <fta2> chrisccoulson, bug 529242 is not good for UNE (last comment)
[12:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 529242 in chromium-browser (Mandriva) (and 3 other projects) "chromium doesn't recognize icedtea6-plugin (affects: 13) (dups: 1) (heat: 92)" [Unknown,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529242
[13:02] <chrisccoulson> fta - hmmm, thanks. i didn't realise that the newer NP plugin was using any xpcom though
[13:02] <chrisccoulson> that's a pain
[13:03] <BUGabundo_remote> fta gwibber is running right now for me
[13:04] <BUGabundo_remote> fta does that mean you stop using identica at all ?
[13:04] <BUGabundo_remote> eruiop
[13:04] <BUGabundo_remote> have you tried pico?
[13:08] <fta2> BUGabundo_remote, no. it looks nice though
[13:11] <jdstrand> fta2: re chromium-browser on people> ack
[13:11] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: hi!
[13:12] <chrisccoulson> hi jdstrand
[13:12] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: did you get my email regarding ff 3.6.6?
[13:12] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i did. i'm just uploading all the 3.6.6 packages now
[13:12] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: awesome. thanks! :)
[13:13] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: once testing is done for hardy and lucid, I plan to release tomorrow. is that still ok for you? (if epiphany isn't fixed, we can file a bug and release note it)
[13:14] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - yeah, that should be fine. i'm going to look again at epiphany this afternoon
[13:14] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: great thanks. :)
[13:16] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - it seems we started a discussion on u-d-d https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2010-June/011715.html.
[13:16] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure if you saw that or not
[13:16] <chrisccoulson> i replied last night to try and respond to the persons concerns
[13:17] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: k. I'll take a look at it. I haven't seen it yet
[13:22] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: nice response
[13:23] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: it is of course an apples and oranges thing. he seems to be upset that he is getting the windows update before the Ubuntu one, but the windows update comes straight from mozilla, upstream bugs and all
[13:29] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - yeah, he doesn't seem to understand that there is some additonal effort involved for us to distribute the update too
[13:30]  * jdstrand nods
[13:31] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: next question "Why are Ubuntu Jaunty and Karmic are second-class citizens?" :P
[13:32] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: perhaps we should proactively draft a response :)
[13:32] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - heh ;)
[13:32] <chrisccoulson> hopefully those releases don't have enough users for people to notice ;)
[13:33] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: it'll all be over soon. Don't let that guy get you down. You and micahg have been doing a great job-- and I've been letting as many people know as I can :)
[13:33] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[13:33] <chrisccoulson> it wouldn't have been possible without all of your testing effort though ;)
[13:35] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: heh, thanks! :)
[13:44] <chrisccoulson> i shall be keeping the builders quite busy this afternoon :)
[14:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: openjdk is in my PPA
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> micahg - thanks. i just downloaded that now
[14:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I have the seamonkey 2.0.5 changelog locally, but wasn't sure about something, are multiple CVEs listed on teh same line?
[14:16] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i think we normally have one per line
[14:16] <chrisccoulson> but i'm not too sure
[14:20] <micahg> jdstrand: does this look right for the CVE list for seamonkey? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/456384/
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> has anybody been testing the seamonkey update for the older releases?
[14:21]  * jdstrand has not
[14:27] <micahg> sorry, Lucid has a bad memory leak with the intel iwlagn wireless chipset and pidgin ends up eating up all available memory
[14:35] <chrisccoulson> my ISP is going to love me today
[14:39] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[14:39] <BUGabundo_remote> what are you up to ?
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> micahg / jdstrand - openjdk is in PPA for jaunty / karmic now
[14:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: awesome :)
[14:54] <chrisccoulson> thanks micahg :)
[14:54] <micahg> chrisccoulson: np
[14:54] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: \o/
[15:02] <jdstrand> micahg: I didn't check for accuracy, but the wording looks good. I might add that this is only for lucid right? hardy-karmic need everything in http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/seamonkey20.html and http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/seamonkey11.html since 1.1.17
[15:02] <micahg> jdstrand: yes, I forgot about that :(
[15:03] <micahg> jdstrand: the 3 CVEs for the same symptom on the same line are fine?
[15:03] <micahg> jdstrand: I just copy/pasted from the mozilla site
[15:04] <jdstrand> micahg: sure, that is fine. Personally, I like the idea of referencing the MFSA, and then the 3 CVEs after it, with the brief description like what you have, but what you have now is just fine
[15:05] <micahg> jdstrand: so, MFSA: CVE: description?
[15:05] <jdstrand> micahg: or even:
[15:06] <jdstrand> MFSA-...: description
[15:06] <jdstrand> - CVE...
[15:06] <jdstrand> - CVE...
[15:06] <jdstrand> MFSA-...: description
[15:06] <jdstrand> - CVE
[15:06] <jdstrand> MFSA-...: etc
[15:08] <micahg> jdstrand: ah, ok, just list the CVE on its own line
[15:11] <jdstrand> micahg: yeah
[15:11] <jdstrand> micahg: after a '-' so that it is grouped under its associated MFSA
[15:12] <micahg> jdstrand: so
[15:12] <micahg> - MFSA
[15:12] <micahg>   - CVE
[15:17] <jdstrand> micahg:
[15:18] <jdstrand> * MFSA
[15:18] <jdstrand>   - CVE
[15:18] <micahg> jdstrand: so I have
[15:18] <micahg> * New upstream
[15:18] <micahg> * MFSA
[15:18] <micahg>   - CVE?
[15:18] <jdstrand> micahg: looks great
[15:19] <jdstrand> micahg: if you prefer a slightly different format, that is fine. the main thing is:
[15:19] <jdstrand> MFSA
[15:19] <jdstrand> - CVE
[15:19] <jdstrand> well
[15:19] <jdstrand> MFSA: description
[15:19] <jdstrand> - CVE
[15:19] <micahg> jdstrand: k, will try to have it tomorrow then...the thing I didn't get done is the TB backport, will try for tomorrow sometime as well
[15:22] <jdstrand> micahg: it is cleaner and follows https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Packaging more closely, which is the preferred changelog format for security updates
[15:32] <micahg> jdstrand: do you need a bug or 2w/the CVEs for Seamonkey
[15:33] <jdstrand> micahg: MFSA is fine
[15:33] <jdstrand> micahg: if LP bugs are already filed, then reference them, otherwise don't bother adding them (we don't add bugs to LP for security updates typically)
[15:34] <micahg> jdstrand: k
[15:34] <jdstrand> micahg: and don't worry about upstream bugs-- the MFSA is enough to get them there
[15:35] <jdstrand> micahg: mozilla is always a special case. since you didn't actually do the patching, don't bother with all the 'changed/or/added/file1' stuff
[16:39] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if you get a chance, can you push thunderbird 3.0.5 to maverick?
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, no problem
[16:40] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thanks
[16:57] <fta> micahg, http://identi.ca/notice/38556427
[16:58] <fta> (no pressure, just acting as relay)
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i think we might need to get someone to rescore the hardy builds
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> else we won't have much time for testing
[17:01] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: yeah, I've been looking at them
[17:01] <micahg> fta: responded to, thanks
[17:01] <fta> chrisccoulson, feel free to bypass my builds
[17:01] <chrisccoulson> fta - PPA builds or archive builds?
[17:01] <fta> chrisccoulson, ppa, the archives ones are security related (with some hot fixes)
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> fta - ah, these are also archive ones (security related) ;)
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> we could probably delay some maverick builds ;)
[17:02] <micahg> fta: the security PPA uses the archive builders
[17:03] <fta> n-m, mine are done: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/5.0.375.86~r49890-0ubuntu1
[17:03] <jdstrand> I'll get someone to rescore them
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, thanks
[17:03] <fta> and the lucid ones are no longer in my hands (=> jdstrand)
[17:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: why is openjdk in karmic 6b18-1.8-0ubuntu0.9.10.1, but jaunty 6b18-1.8-0ubuntu1.9.04.1?
[17:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I think you should reupload the jaunty version to match the one you did for karmic
[17:07] <micahg> since karmic is already building
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> micahg - hmmmm, good spot
[17:08]  * micahg followed the versioning in lucid-proposed which was ubuntu2, so I did 1.09.XX.1, but 0.09.XX.1 will work just as well :)
[17:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if you need a diversion later, there's an interesting discussion on xulrunner-1.9.2 on the debian devel list :)
[17:16] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: yeah, I just noticed the openjdk versions. you should probably use: 6b18-1.8-0ubuntu2~0.9.04.1 and 6b18-1.8-0ubuntu2~0.9.10.1 since lucid-proposed used ubuntu2 rather than the correct ubuntu1.1
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> micahg - interesting ;)
[17:17] <chrisccoulson> (i just had a quick read)
[17:17] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: so, if we kill off those builds, you can hold off until hardy and lucid build before uploading, and we shouldn't have to rebuild
[17:17] <jdstrand> err
[17:17] <jdstrand> rescore
[17:17] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I chimed in since they dragged us in saying, "if Ubuntu can do it, it can't be that bad"
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - yeah, i wasn't sure about the version numbering for straight backports. for a lot of the other packages i've done, i've preserved the changelog for the current series rather than using the one from lucid
[17:19] <micahg> jdstrand: not a straight backport since the control file was regenerated
[17:19] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I merged the jaunty/karmic changelogs respectively
[17:20] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: this one, I think we need the lucid changelog, use 'dch -i' with the new version and distribution name, with a -v<version in release> when generating the source pacakge
[17:20] <jdstrand> well, I didn't see the changelog-- as long as all the changes are in there.
[17:20] <jdstrand> but we need to have 'ubuntu2' in the version in some way, so people know that it came from that version
[17:21] <chrisccoulson> micahg - do you think debian will struggle maintaining firefox with their current model? it seems crazy releasing with an already obsolete browser....
[17:21] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes, but since they want to do it that way, it seems like their only option
[17:21] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: what do you think about reversioning openjdk?
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, yeah, i'll reversion them. i'll leave the current karmic version as it is for now though, as that's already building
[17:22] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I can get the current ones killed off
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i don't mind, if you want to do that
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> i didn't check how long they had already been building, but i don't mind that
[17:23] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: well, I can kill them all off, then you just wait for hardy and lucid ff to finish building, then we are good
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> (it will free up some buildd bandwidth for hardy too) :)
[17:23]  * jdstrand nods
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'm happy with that then
[17:25] <micahg> jdstrand: chrisccoulson: BTW, I took the lucid changelog and manually merged the security updates from jaunty/karmic
[17:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, if you didn't upload TB3.0.5 yet, please hold off till tomorrow
[17:33] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I have to add the dictionary directory change
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ok, no worries
[17:38] <chrisccoulson> micahg - once the dust has settled with firefox, we should probably look at preparing 3.1 for lucid ;)
[17:38] <chrisccoulson> (unless you think there's a reason for us to stay on 3.0.x for now)
[18:00] <micahg> chrisccoulson: depends on the lifecycle
[18:00] <micahg> chrisccoulson: we can discuss later :)
[18:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the only advantage I can see to doing that right now is that I would only need to package 1 version of lightning :)(
[18:04] <chrisccoulson> micahg - that would be one advantage. but i got the impression in the response to your mail that 3.0.x won't be supported for too much longer
[22:28] <BUGabundo> evening
[23:44] <Lantizia> Is it ready yet?
[23:45] <Lantizia> Is it ready yet, Is it ready yet, Is it ready yet, Is it ready yet, Is it ready yet ? :P
[23:45] <Lantizia> No :(
[23:46] <Lantizia> I really wish Mozilla would package their own distro builds of Firefox/Thunderbird
[23:46] <Lantizia> Google does for Chrome :S
[23:53] <micahg> Lantizia: what?
[23:53] <Lantizia> OH just ranting, ignore me