[10:17] <czajkowski> Have folks seen http://gracehopper.org/2010/conference/open-source-track/
[17:51] <pleia2> sent new logo design samples to the list :)
[17:59] <pleia2> once we finish the discussion on list (if there is one) we'll get licensing info and the SVGs from him
[18:01] <jamfish728> Where is this logo going to be applied? Is it just for media(flyers), or for the website too?
[18:01] <IdleOne> the logo looks awesome!
[18:02] <IdleOne> jamfish728: all of the above I believe
[18:03] <jamfish728> ok...just curious
[18:03] <pleia2> yeah, all of the above
[18:05] <pleia2> I like the light approach, I'm thinking we'll ask the list for some design mock-ups once the logo is settled
[18:05] <pleia2> something inspired by the new Brand, but perhaps not another clone
[18:25] <AlanBell> pleia2: any idea what font that is?
[18:26] <pleia2> AlanBell: nope
[18:27] <AlanBell> works really well, especially as "women" has no assenders
[18:27] <AlanBell> ascenders
[18:27] <maco> looks like garamond
[18:35] <AlanBell> seems to have kicked of a lively discussion on the list!
[18:38] <AlanBell> personally I think it is slick and professional looking which is certainly the direction I would support
[18:48] <jledbetter_> <3 Design :)
[20:21] <pleia2> huh, turns out our old logo was CC BY NC SA
[20:21] <pleia2> gonna ask Troy if we can drop the NC
[20:22] <pleia2> (not sure what his intentions were anyway, licensing wasn't discussed)
[21:03] <pleia2> cool, we're dropping the NC and he's getting the SVGs uploaded to a bzr branch soon
[21:06] <Tm_T> pleia2: great stuff
[21:06] <czajkowski> aloha
[21:06] <pleia2> hey czajkowski :)
[21:07] <czajkowski> hows you
[21:07] <pleia2> good good, you?
[21:07] <czajkowski> grand just in after visiting mum and sweet jebus she's a bad bad bad bad patien
[21:08] <pleia2> doing ok though, I hope?
[21:08] <czajkowski> aye
[21:08] <czajkowski> she had the keyhole, gall bladder and stones removed
[21:36] <czajkowski> maco: pleia2 ye may be interested in http://gracehopper.org/2010/conference/open-source-track/
[21:37] <maco> stupid middle-of-the-week conferences
[21:37]  * pleia2 cannot attend :(
[21:38] <maco> if i had a TARDIS (so i could go and then rewind and go to class) I'd go
[21:38] <pleia2> BJ (one of the organizers) joked that she'd have everyone sing me happy birthday if I come, but work and money and stuff
[21:38] <maco> ok or a Time Turner
[21:38] <pleia2> hehe
[21:38] <maco> however, the TARDIS would solve transportation as well!
[21:41] <pleia2> I'll probably skip UDS-N this year too, just have too many obligations for the rest of the year (and a real vacation with the boy would be nice)
[21:41] <maco> also, gag, a conference that charges hundreds of dollar to attend!
[21:41] <maco> and thats the *student* rate
[21:41] <pleia2> volunteers get in for free
[21:42] <pleia2> but sponsorships are all for students
[21:42] <maco> sponsorship applications closed months ago
[21:42] <maco> er scholarship ... whatever
[21:42] <maco> sponsor would be the people who pay
[21:44] <pleia2> ah yes, they call them scholarships
[21:45] <maco> student rate is $250
[21:45] <maco> dont know where they expect that to come from
[21:45] <maco> i can get the $$$ for grownups as grownups have jobs
[21:46] <maco> but students, if it was $100, would be going "hmm... $100 for conference...or being able to eat this month..."
[21:47] <maco> and again...its on weekdays durng the schoolyear...
[21:47] <AlanBell> last conference I went to before I started going to open source stuff was this one http://www-01.ibm.com/software/lotus/events/lotusphere2010/register.html
[21:48] <maco> and supposed to be something that professors and students will attend
[21:48] <maco> makes *perfect sense* to time it that way ???
[21:48] <maco> AlanBell: yikes!
[21:48] <AlanBell> yup
[21:48] <maco> excuse there would be its a grownup conference and supposed to be work-paid
[21:48] <AlanBell> went three times, but once as a speaker
[21:48] <AlanBell> yeah, work paid. I was self employed
[21:48] <maco> but thats also OSCON's excuse and i think it's stupid in their case
[21:49] <maco> ouch
[21:49] <AlanBell> it is a grownup conference, just like all the open source ones should be.
[21:50] <maco> it *only* makes sense to charge out the wazoo if you're fine with alienating hobbyists and students and those too new to the field to convince their employers' its a good idea to spend out the wazoo on them
[21:50] <czajkowski> well I think tis nice to see an open source stream in events
[21:50] <czajkowski> tis rather new
[21:50] <pleia2> czajkowski: yeah, that's cool
[21:50] <maco> AlanBell: disagree
[21:50] <AlanBell> grown up is not the same as scary expensive of course
[21:51] <maco> AlanBell: no reason children shouldnt be allowed at open source conferences
[21:51] <AlanBell> no, their isn't, that wasn't quite what I was getting at
[21:51] <AlanBell> s/their/there
[21:52] <czajkowski> when I ran a conference and had to charge a sum of money it was EUR 60 for 3 days for every day folks and 30/40 cannot remember for unemployed and students were free
[21:52] <czajkowski> but not everyone can afford to charge as little as that
[21:53] <maco> OLF and SELF are both ~$60 if you want a t shirt and lunch and to support the event financially and free if you dont
[21:53] <AlanBell> I don't think the ticket price has to relate to how grown up and professional an event is, the one we are doing in a couple of weeks will be free entry
[21:53] <maco> OLF also has a $250 option if you want to have an 8-hour training day the day before
[21:54] <czajkowski> FOSDEM I think was 25 if you wanted a t-shirt
[21:54] <maco> though i also think training is like GAH expensive anyway
[21:54] <maco> local ACM chapter has training events annually and its like $700 if youre a grownup non-member
[21:54] <maco> and like $300 if youre a student member
[21:55] <maco> i remember lfaraone (a recent motu) boggling at that, wondering how he'd afford $300 on his high school student summer job wages
[21:57] <maco> AlanBell: the only correlation i see is that if you want to *keep out* students and non-professions and low-level-professionals, then charge horrendously and they'll be sure to avoid you
[21:58] <AlanBell> maco: what I would like to keep out are people who behave childishly and unprofessionaly
[21:58] <AlanBell> so more grown up and more professional seems a logical direction
[21:58]  * czajkowski just kicks folks out 
[21:58] <czajkowski> very simple
[21:58] <maco> i would be shocked if my employer paid for me to go to a conference
[21:58] <maco> i work in a windows shop
[21:58] <AlanBell> which doesn't neccessarily correlate to the ticket price
[21:58] <maco> grownup isnt to do with maturity level
[21:58] <czajkowski> my event, if you act up or insult one of my speakers, I will ask you to leave and if you have any problems I'll even help you out the door
[21:58] <maco> i mean lifestage
[21:59] <maco> students arent grownups yet
[21:59] <maco> because you dont say "when i grow up i want to still be in school"
[21:59] <AlanBell> my kids think issyl0 is a grownup. I would tend to agree with them.
[22:00] <maco> i tend to think the only grownups in a school are the faculty
[22:00] <maco> more to do with independence i guess
[22:00]  * czajkowski is still waiting to grow up :)
[22:00] <maco> moved out of mum's house, done with school, supporting yourself... then you're a grownup
[22:01] <maco> so theoretically i'll be one in about 6 months
[22:01] <czajkowski> maco: the mothership would disagree :)
[22:01]  * AlanBell looks back to see who introduced the word "grownup" into the conversation
[22:01] <czajkowski> she objects to my jeans hoodies and ugg boot wearing clothes, no progressional wears them
[22:01] <maco> AlanBell: that was me
[22:01] <Pendulum> maco: by that standard I'm no longer a grown up even though I was by a while
[22:02] <maco> AlanBell: i said something about only grownups being able to afford expensive conferences, where grownup is the opposite of student
[22:02] <maco> well... or not-yet-a-student. cuz diapers toddler who isnt a student because theyre too little doesnt count as grownup either :P
[22:02] <maco> Pendulum: i dont think you can reverse, dont worry ;-)
[22:03] <AlanBell> yup, anyhow, I like the more professional looking logo and Ubuntu branding overall.
[22:03] <maco> i dont
[22:03] <issyl0> AlanBell: haha - well thank you!
[22:03] <maco> i liked the brown
[22:03] <maco> i dont like the bruise
[22:04] <maco> (though ive got some spots on my leg that match the wallpaper *really* well!)
[22:04] <maco> (uneven sidewalk + granny trolley = danger will robinson danger)
[22:05] <AlanBell> I have a curiously persistent bruise on my shin, which now you come to mention it is a bit aubergine ish
[22:05] <maco> ive been saying the wallpaper looked like a bruise since it was unveiled :P
[22:06] <AlanBell> (cobbled streets + wheelchair)
[22:06] <Pendulum> AlanBell: sorry
[22:06] <maco> did you fall out?
[22:06] <Pendulum> maco: he was pushing me.
[22:06] <maco> ah
[22:07] <AlanBell> Pendulum: can't think of a better reason to have a bruise, it is ok!
[22:07] <Pendulum> (he did avoid dumping me at any point that I can think of, though)
[22:08] <maco> oh crud i gotta leave for school!