=== PRIDE is now known as valorie [10:17] Have folks seen http://gracehopper.org/2010/conference/open-source-track/ [17:51] sent new logo design samples to the list :) [17:59] once we finish the discussion on list (if there is one) we'll get licensing info and the SVGs from him [18:01] Where is this logo going to be applied? Is it just for media(flyers), or for the website too? [18:01] the logo looks awesome! [18:02] jamfish728: all of the above I believe [18:03] ok...just curious [18:03] yeah, all of the above [18:05] I like the light approach, I'm thinking we'll ask the list for some design mock-ups once the logo is settled [18:05] something inspired by the new Brand, but perhaps not another clone === daker_ is now known as daker [18:25] pleia2: any idea what font that is? [18:26] AlanBell: nope [18:27] works really well, especially as "women" has no assenders [18:27] ascenders [18:27] looks like garamond [18:35] seems to have kicked of a lively discussion on the list! [18:38] personally I think it is slick and professional looking which is certainly the direction I would support [18:48] <3 Design :) === Mootbot-UK_ is now known as Mootbot-UK === maco2 is now known as maco === IdleOne_ is now known as Guest50774 === Guest50774 is now known as IdleOne === daker_ is now known as daker [20:21] huh, turns out our old logo was CC BY NC SA [20:21] gonna ask Troy if we can drop the NC [20:22] (not sure what his intentions were anyway, licensing wasn't discussed) [21:03] cool, we're dropping the NC and he's getting the SVGs uploaded to a bzr branch soon === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski [21:06] pleia2: great stuff [21:06] aloha [21:06] hey czajkowski :) [21:07] hows you [21:07] good good, you? [21:07] grand just in after visiting mum and sweet jebus she's a bad bad bad bad patien [21:08] doing ok though, I hope? [21:08] aye [21:08] she had the keyhole, gall bladder and stones removed === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum [21:36] maco: pleia2 ye may be interested in http://gracehopper.org/2010/conference/open-source-track/ [21:37] stupid middle-of-the-week conferences [21:37] * pleia2 cannot attend :( [21:38] if i had a TARDIS (so i could go and then rewind and go to class) I'd go [21:38] BJ (one of the organizers) joked that she'd have everyone sing me happy birthday if I come, but work and money and stuff [21:38] ok or a Time Turner [21:38] hehe [21:38] however, the TARDIS would solve transportation as well! [21:41] I'll probably skip UDS-N this year too, just have too many obligations for the rest of the year (and a real vacation with the boy would be nice) [21:41] also, gag, a conference that charges hundreds of dollar to attend! [21:41] and thats the *student* rate [21:41] volunteers get in for free [21:42] but sponsorships are all for students [21:42] sponsorship applications closed months ago [21:42] er scholarship ... whatever [21:42] sponsor would be the people who pay [21:44] ah yes, they call them scholarships [21:45] student rate is $250 [21:45] dont know where they expect that to come from [21:45] i can get the $$$ for grownups as grownups have jobs [21:46] but students, if it was $100, would be going "hmm... $100 for conference...or being able to eat this month..." [21:47] and again...its on weekdays durng the schoolyear... [21:47] last conference I went to before I started going to open source stuff was this one http://www-01.ibm.com/software/lotus/events/lotusphere2010/register.html [21:48] and supposed to be something that professors and students will attend [21:48] makes *perfect sense* to time it that way ??? [21:48] AlanBell: yikes! [21:48] yup [21:48] excuse there would be its a grownup conference and supposed to be work-paid [21:48] went three times, but once as a speaker [21:48] yeah, work paid. I was self employed [21:48] but thats also OSCON's excuse and i think it's stupid in their case [21:49] ouch [21:49] it is a grownup conference, just like all the open source ones should be. [21:50] it *only* makes sense to charge out the wazoo if you're fine with alienating hobbyists and students and those too new to the field to convince their employers' its a good idea to spend out the wazoo on them [21:50] well I think tis nice to see an open source stream in events [21:50] tis rather new [21:50] czajkowski: yeah, that's cool [21:50] AlanBell: disagree [21:50] grown up is not the same as scary expensive of course [21:51] AlanBell: no reason children shouldnt be allowed at open source conferences [21:51] no, their isn't, that wasn't quite what I was getting at [21:51] s/their/there [21:52] when I ran a conference and had to charge a sum of money it was EUR 60 for 3 days for every day folks and 30/40 cannot remember for unemployed and students were free [21:52] but not everyone can afford to charge as little as that [21:53] OLF and SELF are both ~$60 if you want a t shirt and lunch and to support the event financially and free if you dont [21:53] I don't think the ticket price has to relate to how grown up and professional an event is, the one we are doing in a couple of weeks will be free entry [21:53] OLF also has a $250 option if you want to have an 8-hour training day the day before [21:54] FOSDEM I think was 25 if you wanted a t-shirt [21:54] though i also think training is like GAH expensive anyway [21:54] local ACM chapter has training events annually and its like $700 if youre a grownup non-member [21:54] and like $300 if youre a student member [21:55] i remember lfaraone (a recent motu) boggling at that, wondering how he'd afford $300 on his high school student summer job wages [21:57] AlanBell: the only correlation i see is that if you want to *keep out* students and non-professions and low-level-professionals, then charge horrendously and they'll be sure to avoid you [21:58] maco: what I would like to keep out are people who behave childishly and unprofessionaly [21:58] so more grown up and more professional seems a logical direction [21:58] * czajkowski just kicks folks out [21:58] very simple [21:58] i would be shocked if my employer paid for me to go to a conference [21:58] i work in a windows shop [21:58] which doesn't neccessarily correlate to the ticket price [21:58] grownup isnt to do with maturity level [21:58] my event, if you act up or insult one of my speakers, I will ask you to leave and if you have any problems I'll even help you out the door [21:58] i mean lifestage [21:59] students arent grownups yet [21:59] because you dont say "when i grow up i want to still be in school" [21:59] my kids think issyl0 is a grownup. I would tend to agree with them. [22:00] i tend to think the only grownups in a school are the faculty [22:00] more to do with independence i guess [22:00] * czajkowski is still waiting to grow up :) [22:00] moved out of mum's house, done with school, supporting yourself... then you're a grownup [22:01] so theoretically i'll be one in about 6 months [22:01] maco: the mothership would disagree :) [22:01] * AlanBell looks back to see who introduced the word "grownup" into the conversation [22:01] she objects to my jeans hoodies and ugg boot wearing clothes, no progressional wears them [22:01] AlanBell: that was me [22:01] maco: by that standard I'm no longer a grown up even though I was by a while [22:02] AlanBell: i said something about only grownups being able to afford expensive conferences, where grownup is the opposite of student [22:02] well... or not-yet-a-student. cuz diapers toddler who isnt a student because theyre too little doesnt count as grownup either :P [22:02] Pendulum: i dont think you can reverse, dont worry ;-) [22:03] yup, anyhow, I like the more professional looking logo and Ubuntu branding overall. [22:03] i dont [22:03] AlanBell: haha - well thank you! [22:03] i liked the brown [22:03] i dont like the bruise [22:04] (though ive got some spots on my leg that match the wallpaper *really* well!) [22:04] (uneven sidewalk + granny trolley = danger will robinson danger) [22:05] I have a curiously persistent bruise on my shin, which now you come to mention it is a bit aubergine ish [22:05] ive been saying the wallpaper looked like a bruise since it was unveiled :P [22:06] (cobbled streets + wheelchair) [22:06] AlanBell: sorry [22:06] did you fall out? [22:06] maco: he was pushing me. [22:06] ah [22:07] Pendulum: can't think of a better reason to have a bruise, it is ok! [22:07] (he did avoid dumping me at any point that I can think of, though) [22:08] oh crud i gotta leave for school!