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ScottKNCommander: Could you rescore kdebase-workspace kdebindings (for armel)?00:03
JontheEchidnaScottK: I labeled it "cautious upgrade"00:36
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: use C++ :P (I've never used ruby)00:36
JontheEchidnaoh, but you probably mean for neon00:37
JontheEchidnaapachelogger would know more than me00:37
JontheEchidnawhee, k3b 2.0.000:41
JontheEchidnawe should put that in lucid-backports00:42
JontheEchidnabtw, we don't want to disable k3b-i18n, it has translated docs too00:48
JontheEchidnaoh, actually we're disabling the english docs, so...00:49
JontheEchidnanevermind :)00:50
lex79:)00:53
ScottK-droidNCommander: Thanks. Could I please have kdegraphics too?01:01
lex79seems there are progress on dr konqi issue :)01:28
ScottKJontheEchidna: Are the k3b docs still for KDE3?  If not, we should probably activate them.01:38
JontheEchidnaScottK: still for kde301:38
JontheEchidnathey're moving to online docs for 2.101:38
ScottKOK01:38
DaskreechJontheEchidna: techbase?01:47
JontheEchidnadunno01:47
Tm_TJontheEchidna: hi, about the libqapt linking problem, yes I do have polkit-qt-1 installed01:47
* Tm_T hates this flu and cough01:47
JontheEchidna:s01:48
Tm_TI assume it being different path than some other stuff confuses01:48
Tm_Tie path issue01:48
JontheEchidnaah, yeah. probably01:49
JontheEchidnait's using a straight -lpolkit-qt-101:49
JontheEchidnaI don't know the macro for it01:49
JontheEchidnaI should ask drf01:49
Tm_Tor look how others do it01:49
JontheEchidnaMost other things use KAuth01:49
JontheEchidnabut01:49
JontheEchidnaKAuth uses polkit-qt-101:50
Tm_Theh01:50
JontheEchidna...so I'll go take a look at that :)01:50
Tm_TKAuth saves a lot I guess01:50
JontheEchidnayeah, but I wanted to not have a kde dep in libqapt, leave that to the app to decide01:50
Tm_Twise thing, I agree01:50
JontheEchidnaTm_T: could you try this patch please? http://pastebin.com/3VtEGCHc01:56
Tm_Twill do, thanks01:57
ryanakcaRiddell: Changing the URL would break any links to it already out there, but I can make it pretty if you would like01:58
Tm_TJontheEchidna: perfect, thanks02:05
JontheEchidna\o/02:05
Tm_TJontheEchidna: ...but02:06
CIA-99[libqapt] jmthomas * 1143886 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/CMakeLists.txt Use the proper CMake macro when linking to polkit-qt-1-core. That was tricky to find.02:06
Tm_TJontheEchidna: currently it doesn't install dbus files to install path but system dir02:07
JontheEchidnamore macro digging ;)02:08
Tm_Tye02:08
Tm_Thmmm02:08
Tm_Tindeed, it could install to $INSTALLPATH/etc/dbus-1 instead of just /etc/dbus-102:09
Tm_Talthough I don't know how well it would work, only one way to find out02:10
Tm_Tshould work just fine02:11
JontheEchidnaTm_T: could you try ${DBUS_SYSTEM_SERVICES_INSTALL_DIR} ?02:14
JontheEchidnafor org.kubuntu.qaptworker.service02:15
JontheEchidnaactually, let me just whip up a patch, got a few more too :)02:15
JontheEchidnanevermind, just this should do it (in a hackish way)02:25
JontheEchidna${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/../etc/dbus-1/system.d/02:25
JontheEchidna:s02:25
Tm_Thrrrr02:26
JontheEchidnaall of the macros I found seem kde-specific02:27
Tm_Tyou should consult https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-buildsystem02:29
Tm_TJontheEchidna: also, that's wrong (:02:31
Tm_TI just realised02:31
Tm_TJontheEchidna: in my case it would be ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/etc/dbus-1/system.d/02:32
JontheEchidnaI added a ${SYSCONF_INSTALL_DIR} flag that defaults to /etc, that you can do -DSYSCONF_INSTALL_DIR to set02:33
Tm_Tthat would be necessary for anyone who do build their own kde I guess02:34
Tm_Tunless interested to touch their /etv02:34
Tm_T /etc even02:34
Tm_Tthis is tricky, I see02:34
JontheEchidnayeah :I(02:35
JontheEchidna*:(02:35
Daskreech<:(02:36
JontheEchidnaTm_T: http://pastebin.com/5gmbuwJ502:41
JontheEchidnamagics!02:41
JontheEchidnafor "normal" installs of /usr/, it uses /etc02:41
JontheEchidnaotherwise, it uses what you set as the install prefix to02:41
CIA-99[libqapt] jmthomas * 1143890 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/CMakeLists.txt (log message trimmed)02:47
CIA-99Magic for detecting the sysconfig dir. On prefixes of "/usr", it'll most likely02:47
CIA-99be in /etc, but where the prefix is different, this is most likely an install02:47
JontheEchidnaTm_T: ^02:47
lex79this bug 599490 is weird 02:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 599490 in phonon (Ubuntu) "libphonon-dev has wrong dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59949002:59
lex79someone should try to install libphonon-dev in Lucid with beta backport enabled03:01
* ScottK is gonna try it.03:02
ScottKnixternal, NCommander: We need your vote for lex79's kubuntu-dev application.03:11
Tm_TJontheEchidna: indeed03:14
Tm_TJontheEchidna: thanks (:03:14
Tm_Thumm, I wonder why Shaman doesn't show package depends03:19
JontheEchidnaah, that qapt shaman backend is very wip03:21
JontheEchidnalike, very :D03:23
angeloHello03:40
ScottKNCommander: New upstream release didn't help.  kdebindings still needs your help on armel: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51092349/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.kdebindings_4:4.4.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz04:38
nixternalScottK: is there a log for his dev app?04:49
ScottKnixternal: Yes.  See kubuntu-devel mail list.04:49
nixternalroger04:49
nixternalvoted04:54
NCommanderScottK: yeah, I need to go beat it06:00
NCommanderScottK: er, I'm not on the council06:01
hrwmorning08:29
hrwany information when kdepim newer then 4.4.4 will be available?08:30
hrwnjpatel: you here?08:42
njpatelhrw, morning dude08:42
* njpatel 's first ping in kubuntu-devel08:42
njpatel:)08:43
faboRiddell: qt-assistant-compat commited on git.d.o09:18
agateauhey njpatel, what brings you here?09:23
njpatelagateau, I'm always here :)09:24
hrwguys: when will KDE handle xrandr properly?09:24
hrwhttp://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/06/29/switched-to-ati-radeon/ describes my system and problem09:24
agateaunjpatel: oh ok :)09:24
njpatelagateau, you know, keeping an eye on the enemy etc09:24
njpatel;)09:24
agateaunjpatel: heh09:24
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milianapachelogger: late pong (was on a festival), yes I have contacts to the kate devs09:59
milianI am one of them after all ;-)09:59
apacheloggermilian: last time I was into that there was a war between kdevelop and kate :P10:01
apacheloggersounded a bit like vi vs. emacs10:02
miliannot war but well quite a bit of emotions :)10:02
apachelogger^^10:02
milianit's kinda settled now anyways10:02
milianhow come you ask?10:02
apacheloggermilian: so, any chance of getting the backup-at-save feature turned off by default?10:02
miliansure, quite easy for you as a packager, no?10:03
miliansimply change the default settings10:03
apacheloggermilian: well, yeah, but I would lik eot get this done upstream ;)10:03
apacheloggeror at least know why it is default to begin with10:03
milianwell I doubt it gets turned of for 4.5 but assuming/hoping the VI-mode gsoc works out we get something better for 4.x, x > 510:05
milianI dunno why it's default by default, probably because someone thought it should be that way10:06
milian-default +enabled10:06
milianapachelogger: the gsoc tries to implement vi-like swapfiles for proper error recovery10:06
milianwhich would be actually useful10:06
miliancompared to the backup files :)10:06
apacheloggerohhh, indeed10:07
apachelogger\o/10:07
apacheloggerwell then10:07
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ^ supposedly we should decativate that the dark force that is backup files and publicly praise how awesome vi-like swp files will be as to ensure that there shall be those soonish :P10:08
milianwell I haven't seen any code from that gsoc so far10:08
milianbut there should be some - at least I think so10:08
Tm_TJontheEchidna: btw you know how to choose what backend to use with shaman?10:27
CIA-99[messages] zepires * 1143997 * trunk/l10n-kde4/pt/messages/ (3 files in 3 dirs) Finished HEAD for now10:33
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agateauRiddell: ping, do you have a bof scheduled for Akademy?10:52
freinhardhi!10:53
Riddellagateau: nope, I was hoping you'd do that10:53
Riddellgood morning freinhard 10:53
agateauRiddell: ok, so you are still up for a joint bof10:54
freinhardjust added the beta packports repository for kde 4.5rc1, this will remove kubuntu-netbook since it depends on kdebase-workspace-bin10:54
agateauRiddell: there are still quite a few timeslots available for a bof, do you have any bof you do not want to skip? (so that I pick a compatible slot)10:55
freinhardand kdebase-workspace-bin gets removed because of unsatisfied dependencies10:56
freinhardsomehow really wierd since i think all dependencies could be satisfied10:58
agateauRiddell: is Tuesday 15:00 ok for you?10:58
Riddellagateau: yes, good for me10:58
Riddellfreinhard: kdebase-workspace-bin shouldn't get removed10:58
freinhardthis is really random! deleted /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates* and /root/.aptitude two times till it resolved everything propperly!11:01
freinharddoes data from .kde/share/apps/kmail/ get migrated in 4.5rc1 yet?11:07
agateauRiddell: ok, scheduled11:08
Riddellfreinhard: yes11:16
freinhardRiddell: so the packages already ship kmail2?11:18
RiddellKMail: 1.13.311:19
freinhardum, i'm confused. so if data gets migrated to akonadi, how's kmail 1.13.3 supposed to access it?11:20
Riddellit doesn't get migrated for akonadi, it's used in the normal way for kmail 1.13.311:22
Riddelljust spotted this in a debian commit   +Standards-Version: 3.9.011:51
hrwany info when kmail 4.4.90 will land in repo?12:18
JontheEchidnaTm_T: -DSHAMAN_BACKEND=PACKAGEKIT or -DSHAMAN_BACKEND=APT (the old apt backend that's less working than QApt's)12:22
Riddellhrw: there no such thing, kdepim aren't releasing yet12:23
hrwah, good to know12:24
ScottKRiddell: For the netbook stuff, how does it handle default settings?13:03
RiddellScottK: same as because except KDEDIRS is set in /usr/bin/startkde based on screen size instead of unconditionally in /etc/X11/xsession/13:04
ScottKAh, so we still get netbook default settings if that picks netbook.13:05
Riddellyes13:05
Tm_TJontheEchidna: I see, shame it's build time option... interesting results I get, though13:24
CIA-99[muon] jmthomas * 1144150 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/MainWindow.cpp What we get from the QApt Worker is really a package name, not a file name.13:26
CIA-99[muon] jmthomas * 1144160 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (CommitWidget.cpp CommitWidget.h MainWindow.cpp) There are headers in the download widget for when both the cache updates and when packages are being downloaded. Use one in the commit widget too for consistency.13:34
CIA-99[muon] jmthomas * 1144167 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ReviewWidget.cpp Connect to the new signal for refreshing the buttons of the DetailWidget's main tab13:37
a|wenRiddell: are we ready to release 4.4.5 later today? as in how's kde-l10n coming along?13:40
Quintasan\o13:43
Riddella|wen: building now13:47
a|wenwonderfully13:47
Quintasanapachelogger: ping13:50
Quintasanle fu-13:52
QuintasanRiddell: ping14:07
Riddellhi Quintasan 14:08
QuintasanRiddell: hello, do you still have that spare computer running? I have some time and I want to try Project Neon14:09
RiddellI can turn it on14:13
QuintasanRiddell: well, it would be awesome cause I have *cough* active WoW player and uploading things bigger than 10 MB is impossible14:14
Quintasan:S14:15
Quintasanapachelogger: first of all, why the hel do we have two team for project neone?14:17
Quintasanoh crap14:18
Quintasanit's a  user @_@14:18
CIA-99[muon] jmthomas * 1144200 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/PackageModel/ (PackageModel.cpp PackageModel.h) Pass the QList to add/removePackages as const. No optimization since QList is implicitly shared, but it's a good idea anyways to avoid stupid coding errors in the future14:27
ulyssesJontheEchidna: Will be Muon part of the default Maverick installation?14:28
JontheEchidnaI don't think it'll be ready in time14:28
JontheEchidnaBest not to rush these sort of things anyways, else you end up with stuff like adept and kpackagekit in Kubuntu 8.10/9.04 ;)14:28
JontheEchidnanot a pretty memory14:29
* ulysses hated Adept in Intrepid14:29
ulyssesback to KTorrent translation:/14:30
shadeslayerQuintasan: neon poke14:41
shadeslayerQuintasan: my ruby knowledge == 0 for neon,can i learn as i go ?14:43
Quintasanshadeslayer: well, I will first try to make that crap upload to right ppa14:43
shadeslayeroohh.. my p.u.c account was activated :P14:43
shadeslayerhmm.. my membership to kubuntu-bugs is about to expire.. how come that happened?14:46
Riddellit has a timeout like most memberships14:47
shadeslayerRiddell: bah.. :(15:04
shadeslayerRiddell: same applies for Kubuntu Memberships ? 15:04
Riddellyes15:05
Riddelljust renew it15:05
shadeslayerah ok :)15:05
shadeslayerRiddell: btw after https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.4.90-0ubuntu1/+build/1815070 is done building can you rebuild sparc of kdeartwork,games and accessibility 15:06
Riddellok just remind me at the time15:09
shadeslayersure :)15:09
shadeslayerRiddell: got a question if your free for a bit15:11
shadeslayerRiddell: did kdepim also release a new version? and wasnt it supposed to be out next month?15:11
shadeslayeror was it something else ? ( it was some akonadi stuff... i dont remember properly )15:12
Riddellkdepim is delayed15:13
Riddellsee http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2010-June/003956.html15:13
shadeslayerRiddell: ah ok,thanks :)15:35
shadeslayerrickspencer3: poke .. can you have a look at bug 56537615:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 565376 in bughugger (Ubuntu) "bughugger does not work in kubuntu lucid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56537615:42
shadeslayerim just going to verify if the problem exsists on maverick as well15:43
rickspencer3urk15:43
CIA-99[muon] jmthomas * 1144265 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)15:43
CIA-99What we're really doing here in all cases is setting the Model's package list to15:43
CIA-99an entirely new set of packages. We don't have to iterate over each package we15:43
rickspencer3shadeslayer, I'm sorry, but I don't see myself having time to debug this this week15:43
shadeslayerrickspencer3: ok,no problem,but please have a look when your free ;)15:44
rickspencer3the error message suggests that desktopcouch is not properly installed on that system15:44
shadeslayerrickspencer3: ok,ill just give this a try on maverick as well :)15:44
rickspencer3the error is here:     from desktopcouch.records.server import CouchDatabase15:44
JontheEchidnaadding packages to the model just went from being 0.11% of the application's cost to 0.00% \o/15:44
rickspencer3so there's a one line repro script for you ;)15:44
shadeslayer:D15:45
shadeslayerrickspencer3: btw im on maverick.. no more lucid :P15:45
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: is gnome-keyring installed?15:45
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: hold on.. im just installing bughugger on maverick :)15:45
shadeslayerok .. well it started up :P15:46
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44587778/Dependencies.txt15:46
shadeslayerrickspencer3: it fails on authorization15:47
shadeslayerrickspencer3: doesnt open a browser15:47
shadeslayer/usr/bin/bughugger:393: GtkWarning: Unable to show 'https://edge.launchpad.net/+authorize-token?oauth_token=4q5F6G7rCk3ZfnB8f8hC': Operation not supported15:47
JontheEchidnaSo it looks like python-desktopcouch depends on python-gnomekeyring, but since that's a python library for gnome-keyring it doesn't depend on the actual runtime package15:47
JontheEchidnabughugger should probably depend on gnome-keyring15:47
JontheEchidnaor perhaps python-desktopcouch15:47
JontheEchidnasince the library does need gnome-keyring to not python-crash15:48
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: ok,so can i upload a debdiff and ask for SRU?15:48
shadeslayernow its stuck at " Launchpad says im Done :P "15:49
shadeslayeruser has granted authentication, please wait for handshake 15:49
JontheEchidnaYou'd have to ask the bughugger and python-desktopcouch maintainers which package should have the dependency15:49
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: well.. rickspencer3 is the bughugger maintainer :)15:49
JontheEchidnabut I think that as long as you aren't getting the traceback in bughugger anymore then your new problem is a separate bug15:50
shadeslayerseems so :P15:50
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: what about the old problem? about bughugger not starting 15:51
JontheEchidnasee my gabbing about gnome-keyring ;)15:51
JontheEchidnathat's what I was describing how to address15:51
shadeslayerhmm15:52
JontheEchidnayou do have gnome-keyring installed now, yes?15:52
shadeslayerrickspencer3: so should bughugger depend on  gnome-keyring15:52
JontheEchidnaremove it, and you'll probably be able to repro the old bug15:52
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: lemme check15:52
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: I'd say python-desktopcouch should, technically15:52
rickspencer3shadeslayer, no15:52
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: yes its installed15:52
shadeslayerrickspencer3: ok thanks for the info15:52
rickspencer3it doesn't call gnome keyring directly15:52
rickspencer3whatever is calling gnome keyring should depend on it, though15:53
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: ill have a look at the changes to python-desktopcouch 15:53
shadeslayerin maverick :)15:53
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/UPSQmCqh15:54
shadeslayerso  python-gnomekeyring suggests gnome-keyring15:54
JontheEchidnatechnically python-gnomekeyring is a library15:55
JontheEchidnaan application could, for example, add optional gnome-keyring support, detected at runtime, and also provide other auth support15:55
JontheEchidnaso python-gnomekeyring can't depend on gnome-keyring and still be nice ;)15:55
JontheEchidnabut since python-desktopcouch uses it unconditionally, it should depend on it15:55
shadeslayerJontheEchidna:  python-desktopcouch seems to be a transitional package.. for what but?15:58
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: probably python-couchdb, though I'm not a desktopcouch expert15:58
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: i thought so too... 15:59
shadeslayerabout the python-couchdb part ;)15:59
JontheEchidnaoh15:59
JontheEchidnawait15:59
JontheEchidnajust desktopcouch15:59
shadeslayerhmm15:59
JontheEchidna"16:00
JontheEchidnaIncludes python library16:00
JontheEchidna for interacting with database.16:00
shadeslayerhmm..16:00
shadeslayerlol .. now bughugger is stuck at retrieving non-targetted bug_tasks for apachelogger with my connection being used up 100 pc16:01
shadeslayer:P16:01
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: ah i know why i have gnome-keyring16:02
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: i have gparted installed...16:02
JontheEchidnathat'd do it16:02
shadeslayerthis problem is still not rectified since i see no dep for gnome-keyring :)16:02
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: can this be rectified in lucid?16:03
shadeslayeras a SRU perhaps ?16:03
JontheEchidnayes, an SRU for a missing dependency is appropriate16:03
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: ok,ill get onto this :)16:03
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: just a question,but since python-desktopcouch is a transitional package,we can add gnome-keyring to desktopcouch as well? or just to python-desktopcouch16:04
JontheEchidnaWe would want to add it to desktopcouch in maverick, and to whatever is not the transitional package in lucid16:05
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: heh https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/amd64/python-desktopcouch/0.5-0ubuntu116:07
shadeslayerit seems python-desktopcouch is a part of desktopcouch 16:07
shadeslayerso desktopcouch in lucid too i would guess...16:07
* shadeslayer wonders if JontheEchidna just timed out or if its $WORK16:17
JontheEchidnaoh16:17
JontheEchidnaI didn't realize I was being asked a question :P16:17
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: i just want to confirm :)16:17
JontheEchidnathe source package is desktopcouch in both lucid and maverick, yes16:18
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: ok,ill do a SRU for this ;)16:18
JontheEchidnathough python-desktopcouch isn't a transitional package in lucid16:19
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: yep16:19
shadeslayerits a package to itself..16:19
shadeslayeruh...16:21
* shadeslayer blinks16:21
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/F7ef9Xqa16:21
shadeslayerhow come debian/control doesnt define these packages?16:21
JontheEchidnabecause the source package is desktopcouch16:22
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: ok,but for eg. in kdeartwork,we split packages,right16:22
shadeslayerand those packages appear in Built Packages16:22
JontheEchidnahttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktopcouch16:23
shadeslayerbut in https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktopcouch , we have python-desktopcouch Python Desktop CouchDB , with no such thing defined in debian/control16:23
shadeslayer:)16:23
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: you did paste bughugger's debian/control16:24
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: yes16:24
shadeslayerthe link i gave you earlier 16:24
JontheEchidnabut why would desktopcouch stuff be there at all?16:24
JontheEchidnabughugger is bughugger, desktopcouch is desktopcouch16:24
shadeslayeroh crap16:24
shadeslayerwrong link :P16:24
* shadeslayer is stupid16:25
shadeslayeri dget'd the wrong link :D16:25
Daskreechdget?16:29
shadeslayerDaskreech: yes..16:29
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: do you want the debdiff or should i file bug?16:29
* Daskreech grumbles about trying to keep up with the hot apps these days16:29
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I think tonio goofed when subscribing people, let's try to not let bug 594998 slip through the cracks16:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 594998 in konq-plugins (Ubuntu) "Sync konq-plugins 4:4.4.0-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59499816:29
shadeslayerDaskreech: its a old app :P16:30
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: file a bug please16:30
DaskreechIf I get an Android I'm going to burnout16:30
* Daskreech considers getting Nokia and just installing Kubuntu on the phone16:30
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: can i just attach the debdiff the original bug report and get it reviewed for SRU?16:35
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: if you move it to desktopcouch and close the bughugger upstream report, yeah16:35
shadeslayerok16:35
nixternalgood morning Kubuntu'erz!!!16:41
* Daskreech hugs ni16:41
* Daskreech hugs nixternal16:41
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: bug 565376 , has debdiff16:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 565376 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu) "bughugger does not work in kubuntu lucid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56537616:43
shadeslayerill post a debdiff for maverick too16:43
shadeslayernixternal: \o16:43
CIA-99[muon] jmthomas * 1144303 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ManagerWidget.cpp Standardize click text for the search bar, and remove the label. It did more harm to the layout than it did good16:46
ScottKKDE ~4.5 is a lot nicer when the blur effect works.16:47
shadeslayerScottK: blur worked here before16:47
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shadeslayeroh man16:48
lex79o/16:48
shadeslayerScottK: how much time earlier?16:48
* shadeslayer needed to post a update16:48
shadeslayerlex79: \o16:48
ScottKshadeslayer: For what?16:49
shadeslayerScottK: https://launchpad.net/bugs/56537616:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 565376 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu) "bughugger does not work in kubuntu lucid" [Undecided,New]16:49
lex79ScottK: I have all votes that I needed now?16:49
shadeslayerScottK: debdiff for maverick : http://pastebin.com/7hqrri2c16:50
ScottKlex79: I think so, but Riddell would have to add you.16:50
lex79ok thanks16:50
shadeslayeraltho.. im not sure if i should sync the changelogs for lucid and maverick... now that lucid needs a SRU16:50
shadeslayerlex79: w00t16:50
lex79:)16:51
shadeslayerlex79: how long did it take btw? ( to become kubuntu-dev )16:51
lex79shadeslayer: when you feel ready it's time :)16:53
shadeslayer:D16:53
lex79my first package that I did, was for Intrepid btw16:53
lex79https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasmoid-wifi/0.5-0ubuntu216:54
shadeslayeroohh :D16:54
lex79^ my first package :)16:54
* shadeslayer wonders what his was...16:54
* Daskreech ponders getting Amsn 98.1 on hardy16:54
shadeslayerit was in lucid.. but dont remember what :P16:55
lex79well see in your LP page16:55
DaskreechIt's 98.1 But I know someone on hardy who keeps asking for amsn 98.116:56
Daskreechnot sure if it's packagable for that release16:57
shadeslayerNightrose: was your install fixed?16:59
Nightroseshadeslayer: no :(16:59
Nightrosei'm at work atm though - will try more in a few hours17:00
Nightrosei got X to show up last night17:00
Nightrosebut then it freezes after 20 or so secs in kdm17:00
shadeslayerah ok :)17:00
* shadeslayer uses alternate CD's for upgrades17:01
Nightrosei'm tempted to reinstall the whole thing tbh - but i don't have enough space for a full backup...17:01
Nightroseand also not the time for this whole mess of course :/17:01
shadeslayerNightrose: oh.. that happened to me before17:01
Nightroseyea?17:01
* shadeslayer now has 1TB external HD17:01
shadeslayerNightrose: the backup part ;)17:01
Nightroseah heh17:01
Daskreechshadeslayer: Not enough :)17:02
DaskreechNightrose: ~ partition ?17:02
shadeslayerDaskreech: lol.. i havent even managed to cross the 500 GB mark :P17:02
Daskreechwait 3 years17:02
NightroseDaskreech: nope of course not... ;-)17:02
DaskreechOf course :)17:02
shadeslayerDaskreech: hehe17:03
DaskreechSame reason I said that Ubuntu will suck by the time it hits 201517:03
shadeslayerDaskreech: 0_o17:04
DaskreechX OO.o and the kernel will be the only things that fit on the CD :)17:04
shadeslayerhaha17:04
shadeslayerDaskreech: well aptitude was removed,so that freed up stuff17:05
* shadeslayer thinks Kubuntu CD got optimized this time17:05
shadeslayerPlasma desktop + plasma netbook in one cd17:05
Daskreechshadeslayer: And they will keep removing stuff till it's kinda silly.17:05
* Daskreech wants a Blu-ray image :017:05
shadeslayerDaskreech: i would too.. we can fit the whole archive on it17:06
shadeslayerwell.. most of it anyway :P17:06
DaskreechWe can jsut remove anything that depends on gtk :)17:08
shadeslayerhehe... i remember one time there was a but about amarok depending on Gtk :P17:09
shadeslayerScottK: soo... can you upload a fix?17:12
shadeslayerScottK: for desktopcouchdb ....17:12
shadeslayer-db 17:12
Daskreechshadeslayer: is it pronounce Exaile ?17:13
Daskreech+d17:13
schmidtmsollte wohl Destination Host Unreachable heißen und war zu lang17:16
shadeslayerDaskreech: ??17:18
Daskreechshadeslayer: GTK port of Amarok ?17:18
shadeslayeroh noo..amarok itself had a dep on some gtk stuff17:19
Riddelllibgpod17:19
shadeslayermaybe.. dont remember now :)17:20
* shadeslayer has had no breakages till now17:21
shadeslayer--alpha17:21
DaskreechRiddell: Yes to connect to the iPods right?17:21
ScottKYes.  Because the nogtk version of libgpod was deficient in some regard.17:25
DaskreechNothing that code can't fix17:27
* Riddell uploads 4.4.5 kde-l10n to updates PPA17:29
ScottKshadeslayer: I'm offline mostly today, so maybe later in the week.17:34
shadeslayerScottK: sure sure :)17:35
CIA-99[docmessages] yurchor * 1144318 * trunk/l10n-kde4/uk/ (53 files in 21 dirs) SVN_SILENT Ukrainian translation update17:38
shadeslayer:o17:39
shadeslayer53 files... one heck of a update17:40
JontheEchidnatranslators are hard workers17:45
dpmand cool people17:45
JontheEchidna;)17:46
jefferaiRiddell: apachelogger: shadeslayer: ping18:06
Riddellhi jefferai 18:06
jefferaiHi18:07
jefferaiIf you don't help Lydia fix her mangled upgrade, she's going to switch to GNOME  :-o18:07
Riddelluh oh18:07
shadeslayerjefferai: hi18:07
Nightroselol18:07
RiddellNightrose: what broke?18:07
jefferaiEVERYTHING18:07
* shadeslayer runs around crying out KDE18:07
* jefferai slaps shadeslayer18:07
Quintasanurgh18:08
jefferaiGet it together, man!18:08
NightroseRiddell: computer decided to reboot in the middle of the upgrade to 10.4 :/18:08
shadeslayer:D18:08
NightroseX was borked18:08
Nightrosei fixed that last night18:08
Nightrosenow it hangs after 20 or so secs in kdm18:08
shadeslayerNightrose: hangs as in,mouse moves,but no response?18:08
Nightrosei'll get back home in an hour or so from work and then see what's up18:08
* jefferai 's work here is done18:08
Nightrosenope - mouse doesn't move anymore at that point18:08
jefferai:-D18:08
* Nightrose hugs jefferai18:09
* shadeslayer gives jefferai a shot of kde18:09
jefferaiAww, it was easy. Just had to mention the G word.18:09
RiddellNightrose: upgrade from what?18:09
shadeslayerRiddell: want me to post backlog>18:09
Nightrose0.1018:09
Nightrose9.10 even18:09
Nightrosei finished it on command line18:10
jefferaiBTW -- in case you think I'm a liar, I have proof!18:10
jefferai"i'll start with installing gnome and see if that let's me in at least"18:10
Nightrose-.-18:10
jefferaiIt's serious  :-O18:10
jefferaiDon't let her go astray18:10
jefferaiKeep her in the fold18:10
Nightrosestart = start looking for a working solution until akademy so i can get my slides done ;-)18:10
jefferaiPart of the flock18:10
Nightrosehaha18:10
jefferaietc.18:10
Quintasanshadeslayer: hngh18:10
jefferaiOne of the KDE sheeple18:10
jefferaiNightrose: that's how it begins18:11
shadeslayerhttp://pastebin.com/ZeMfqX4p18:11
jefferai"I'll install GNOME and see if it just lets me in."18:11
jefferai"Huh, GNOME has trays on the top *and* bottom"18:11
shadeslayerlol18:11
jefferai"Huh, Banshee looks like iTunes"18:11
Quintasan>GNOME18:11
Nightrose-_-18:11
QuintasanOMFG RUN FOR YOUR LIVES18:11
jefferai"Huh, GNOME 3.0 is coming out and that's like, a whole major upgrade better."18:11
Nightrosei actually had to use gnome for a year at university...18:12
Nightroseit was the horrible for me18:12
shadeslayerjefferai: that is just lame.. gnome 3.0 << gnome 218:12
Quintasan>implying GNOME was ever good to begin with18:12
shadeslayeror whatever its at right now18:12
jefferaiBut don't you know? With Canonical's help, they're teh kickazz nao18:12
jefferaiAnyways.18:12
shadeslayerjefferai: they removed the indexing thingy18:12
shadeslayerthats a no go for me...18:12
jefferaiBeagle?18:13
Quintasanshadeslayer: they can remove half of the code, noone will even notice18:13
Quintasan:P18:13
shadeslayeralso... i tried gnome 3.0... made me switch back to KDE 18:13
jefferaishadeslayer: funny, people tried KDE 4.0, made them switch back to GNOME18:13
jefferai:-)18:13
jefferairound and round it goes18:13
shadeslayerjefferai: and gnome 2.2.x made people want kde 4 :P18:13
shadeslayerso... theres no end to this :P18:14
Riddellgosh, flame central here18:14
RiddellNightrose: so KDM just freezes?18:14
NightroseRiddell: jep18:14
Nightrosethat's basically it18:14
Nightroseif i'm fast i can type in my password and get the splash18:14
* shadeslayer is really wondering how the computer rebooted18:14
Nightroseand then it freezes18:15
shadeslayerRiddell: maybe old config files?18:15
Nightroseif i'm slow it freezes right in kdm18:15
Quintasanwell, it can be problems with temperature18:15
Nightroseshadeslayer: probably too hot18:15
shadeslayerNightrose: oh yeah.. i didnt think about that...18:15
Quintasanhmm18:16
Quintasannepomuk is eating mah ramz18:16
Quintasanapachelogger: grrr remember ur passwordz18:16
jefferaiRiddell: upstart starts kdm pretty early on right? So it could be something starting in the background -- not KDM itself18:16
* Quintasan hits apachelogger with GNOME18:17
shadeslayerquick question,can i edit my gpg keys to use mah ubuntu.com address18:17
shadeslayerQuintasan: apachelogger is gnome resistant 18:17
Quintasanshadeslayer: yes18:17
Quintasanhe is not18:17
Riddelljefferai: yes, although I've no idea what18:17
shadeslayerQuintasan: but use python instead18:17
Quintasanor I will pick up my banhammer18:17
shadeslayerQuintasan: that should make a dent18:17
* Quintasan hits apachelogger with Python Hammer18:17
shadeslayerQuintasan: any idea how to do that?18:17
shadeslayer( change email address )18:18
Quintasanshadeslayer: hmm, use Kleopatra to add second email address18:18
Quintasan:P18:18
Quintasangreat, now we are stalled because apachelogger forgot the password18:18
Quintasan:S18:18
shadeslayerQuintasan: what password?18:18
shadeslayeroh,,, Neon18:18
Quintasangrrr18:18
shadeslayerQuintasan: #neon18:19
Quintasanapachelogger is going to get grilled18:19
RiddellNightrose: what happens if you go to a linux console?18:19
Quintasanshadeslayer: what's with that channel?18:19
NightroseRiddell: can get there fine in recovery mode - can't seem to get there when it froze18:19
shadeslayerQuintasan: its the channel for project neon of courst18:19
shadeslayer*course18:19
shadeslayeror i think it was...18:20
jefferaiNightrose: hey, try disabling KDM/X18:20
DaskreechTimelords!!18:20
jefferaiwell18:20
Nightrosejefferai: meaning?18:20
jefferaiRiddell: is there a way to remove the graphical boot stuff and watch the services being started?18:20
Nightroseok folks i'll have to get home - back in 30 to 40 mins i think18:21
Nightrose*hugs*18:21
Riddellonly if she can edit the boot line at grub18:21
Riddellwhich isn't the case usually18:21
jefferaiblech18:22
jefferaiwell18:22
jefferaiif she used systemrescuecd18:22
jefferaiand mounted the boot partition18:22
jefferaishe could edit the grub line18:22
shadeslayerjefferai: or.. better18:23
shadeslayerjefferai: chroot :)18:23
shadeslayeralso.. with the chroot we can see the logs more easily... 18:23
jefferaishadeslayer: what does that buy you?18:23
=== asac__ is now known as asac
jefferaiwell, sure18:23
jefferaibut my thought was to simply modify the grub line so she could see if it freezes activating a particular service each time18:24
shadeslayerRiddell: can we start a seprate X from a chroot? ( i read about it somewhere )18:24
shadeslayerjefferai: that can be done,but grub needs to be updated for that to be effective18:24
shadeslayerjefferai: i would not recommend editing grub.cfg by hand18:25
jefferaishadeslayer: and why not?18:26
shadeslayerjefferai: go through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub218:26
shadeslayer( and not just browse it )18:26
shadeslayerspecially the red stuff in bold letters18:27
jefferaishadeslayer: it says not to edit the file because changes won't be permanent18:28
jefferaiwhich would be fine in this instance :-)18:29
shadeslayerjefferai: yes,but simply editing /etc/grub should do the trick18:29
jefferaiafter which you need to run grub-update18:29
shadeslayerthen update grub..18:29
jefferaianyways18:29
jefferaipoint is18:29
jefferaimodifying grub18:29
jefferaisome way or another18:29
shadeslayeryes18:29
jefferaito show items as they start18:29
jefferaiand perhaps logs :-)18:29
shadeslayeryeps18:29
Quintasanlex79: \o18:30
shadeslayerjefferai: i hope my account isnt getting too big.... whats my total log size?18:30
jefferaidunno18:30
lex79hi18:30
jefferaithere isn't a good way to figure it out18:30
* shadeslayer senses a disturbance in the force...18:31
shadeslayerjefferai: :(18:31
CIA-99[libqapt] jmthomas * 1144349 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/ (worker.cpp workerinstallprogress.cpp) A few tiny const-related optimizations18:46
CIA-99[libqapt] jmthomas * 1144351 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h package.cpp package.h) (log message trimmed)18:52
CIA-99Don't make QApt::Package a QObject. This decreases the heap size of 32,00018:52
CIA-99packages from 5.4 MiB to just around 1. For Muon, it gave a 30% heap size18:52
QuintasanRiddell: is it okay if I install ruby and git there?18:54
=== hrw is now known as hrw|gone
RiddellQuintasan: yes go ahead, you have sudo18:54
Quintasanawesome18:54
* Quintasan goes to shop while qt is cloning18:55
QuintasanWHAT?!19:01
QuintasanRiddell: your internet is too fast19:01
lex79lol19:01
* Quintasan has a crappy connection 2Mb/s :S19:04
NightroseRiddell: apachelogger: shadeslayer: Quintasan: back at home at the patient's bedside...19:23
Nightrosehow do i set it to use gdm instead of kdm? want to quickly try if gnome is running ok19:23
Z-RAY_after amateur tries to update MLT to 0.5.6 i have left without ffmpeg modules and even ffpmeg is installed, kdenlive says that some not installed at all. also it says that some sound module is not installed. i spent all day to make "lines and dots" bug dissappear (white lines and dots - was promised to be fixed in MLT 0.5.5) and i couldn't make it, even worse - now modules "avformat module", "Quimage module", "Title module" are missing and reinstallin19:26
jefferaiNightrose: might want to start burning a copy of systemrescuecd while you wait19:26
Z-RAY_g of the program and ffmpeg does not helping.19:27
Z-RAY_help me please to make this thing work correctly. my skype is "woanerges", or write me here. please, bro's, come on, i need some support here!19:27
Z-RAY_white dots and lines examples:19:27
Z-RAY_http://kdenlive.org/sites/default/files/shot1_0.png19:27
Z-RAY_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrFXr_bx2a019:27
Nightrosejefferai: i can't ;-)19:27
Nightroseno gui here at all19:27
jefferaiyou can't on the compy you're on now?19:27
jefferaioh19:27
jefferaido you have a cdburner though?19:27
Nightroseand the eeepc is utterly useless for cd burning19:27
jefferaicould burn from the command line19:27
jefferaioh19:27
jefferaiah19:27
jefferai:-(19:27
CIA-99[libqapt] jmthomas * 1144363 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (6 files) The Group class was really just a QString. There really is no reason it needs to be a QObject. Break API and just typedef Group as a QString, and a GroupList as a QStringList19:27
* jefferai has heard it can be installed to a usb thumb drive19:28
nixternalNightrose: were you looking for me earlier?19:28
Nightrosenixternal: yes19:28
nixternalwhat did i do this time?19:28
Nightroseto help me with my broken X since you fixed it last time for me19:28
nixternalor didn't do I guess would be more appropriate19:28
nixternaloh lordy, i haven't had anything broken in so damn long, i forgot how to fix things :)19:29
nixternalwhat's wrong this time?19:29
Nightroseheh19:29
Nightrosewell i'm past the X b0rkedness now it seems19:29
nixternalwhew19:29
Nightrosenow kdm is freezing after about 20 secs19:29
nixternal:)19:29
nixternalfeature19:29
Nightrose(borked upgrade to 10.0419:29
nixternalkdm is telling you to go outside and enjoy the day or evening19:29
Nightrosei have 3 akademy talks to prepare....19:30
Nightrose:/19:30
Nightroseso...19:30
nixternalthen it is telling you to no prepare and get drunk instead :D19:30
Nightrosehow do i configure it to use gdm?19:30
Nightrosewant to see if gnome starts19:30
nixternali think dpkg-reconfigure kdm19:30
Nightrosek19:30
Nightroselet's see..19:30
nixternalor gdm19:30
shadeslayernixternal: yep19:32
shadeslayerNightrose: that should ask you which one you want to use19:32
Nightrosegdm wasn't installed19:33
Nightroseinstalling now19:33
shadeslayer:)19:33
shadeslayerNightrose: oh and after installing gdm,it will ask you,which to use19:34
shadeslayerso no need of invoking manually19:35
Nightrosejeo it did19:35
Nightrose*jep19:35
* shadeslayer tries to send mail to new alias19:35
shadeslayerRiddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/k3b/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/rules19:38
shadeslayerwhy do we have --list-missing in there?19:38
* shadeslayer finds that odd19:38
Nightroseok gdm isn't any helpful...19:39
Nightrosedoesn't show up at all19:39
shadeslayer:P19:39
shadeslayerNightrose: how did you start it?19:39
Nightrosenormal boot19:40
shadeslayerNightrose: sudo service gdm start 19:40
shadeslayertry that...19:40
shadeslayeri hope you have a tty19:40
Nightrosenope - i can get to a console in recovery mode19:40
mfraz74are we any closer to getting the printer configuration in system settings sorted?19:40
shadeslayermfraz74: btw did the new dbusmenuclick solve the kopete thing19:41
shadeslayerNightrose: ok press ctrl+D in recovery menu19:41
mfraz74shadeslayer: yes it did, i added a comment to the launchpad bug :)19:41
shadeslayerthat should get you to a blue screen,hit enter on Resume19:41
shadeslayermfraz74: can you post the bug number? i dont remember it :P19:42
mfraz74https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59942419:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 599424 in Kubuntu PPA "Kopete's system tray menu flickers" [Undecided,Fix released]19:42
Nightroseshadeslayer: screen goes black19:42
shadeslayerNightrose: yes.. and no login? no boot messages?19:43
Nightrosenope19:43
Nightrosesec19:43
shadeslayerok..19:43
mfraz74kde 4.5 seem more stable now, just wish the kdepim team would catch up19:44
shadeslayer:D19:44
ulysseskde 4.5 don't crash anymore when right clicking on system tray \o/19:45
shadeslayerulysses: thanks to upstream19:46
mfraz74k3b still crashes when trying to configure it though19:47
shadeslayermfraz74: ive forwarded upstream19:47
shadeslayermfraz74: they have it on their watch list.. and its a issue with kdelibs19:48
mfraz74shadeslayer: it does seem to be an upstream problem as I think it affects Fedora too19:48
shadeslayermfraz74: yes.. i think you know about the b.k.o report ;)19:48
Nightroseshadeslayer: hmm yea - nothing that helps19:49
Nightrosejust a black screen19:49
Nightroseany other ideas anyone?19:49
shadeslayerNightrose: try the 2nd tty...19:49
Nightroseshadeslayer: how do i get there?19:49
shadeslayerctrl+alt+F219:49
Nightroseah k19:49
shadeslayerthat _should_ drop you to a tty :)19:49
Nightroseok got one - now start gdm again?19:50
shadeslayerNightrose: yes,sudo service gdm start19:51
shadeslayerbtw with gdm you cant shut down KDE.. only logout and login19:51
shadeslayer( its a mess really )19:52
Nightrosehmm nope - same thing19:52
Nightrose./19:52
shadeslayerNightrose: any usefull error messages ?19:52
Nightrosei can't tell since there is nothing to look at ;-)19:53
Nightroselike nothing - not even a cursor19:53
shadeslayerNightrose: oh.. try ctrl+alt+f719:53
shadeslayerthat should land in X19:53
Nightrosenothing19:53
shadeslayertry the 2nd tty with F2 19:54
Nightrosenothing on any of them from 1 to 719:54
shadeslayerweird...19:54
shadeslayerNightrose: one sec19:54
shadeslayerNightrose: ok,so no tty.. force a reboot with ctrl+alt+del19:57
shadeslayeror hard power off...19:57
shadeslayerNightrose: and when you reach grub press e19:58
Nightrosectrl alt del doesn't do anything19:58
Nightrosek19:58
shadeslayerNightrose: hard power off then :(19:58
Nightroseok i'm in grub19:59
* shadeslayer hits up on google till then19:59
shadeslayerNightrose: ah good19:59
shadeslayerNightrose: in the top most kernel,hit e19:59
Nightroserecovery or normal?19:59
shadeslayerthat will lead you to edit the boot options19:59
shadeslayerNightrose: normal19:59
Nightrosek19:59
shadeslayerNightrose: can you see something like quiet ?20:00
shadeslayerin the boot line20:00
Nightrosejep20:00
shadeslayerNightrose: remove the quiet word20:00
shadeslayerand remove splash as well... add nomodset instead20:00
Nightrosek20:00
shadeslayerso your line reads as : linux   /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-4-generic root=UUID=47d7ca6c-5492-4323-bd03-b3b7ca2e5f0e ro nomodset20:01
shadeslayerdifferent kernel version tho20:01
Nightrosek20:01
Nightroselooks like that's done20:01
shadeslayerNightrose: press ctrl+X and keep a eye on the boot messages20:01
shadeslayersee if anything fails20:01
Nightrosek20:01
Nightroseok there were some errors but they went by too fast20:03
Nightroselast thing before freeze is apache2 start20:03
shadeslayerNightrose: ah no problem,can you login with tty?20:04
Nightroseit's frozen again so nope :(20:04
Nightrosenothing i can do20:04
shadeslayerNightrose: its frozen at starting apache2 ?20:04
Nightrosenot sure - that's the last thing on the screen now20:04
shadeslayerNightrose: and what about tty2?20:05
Nightroseno idea - can't get there ;-)20:05
shadeslayerbah.. we need that dmesg log :P20:05
Nightrosebut i can actually uninstall apache20:05
Nightrosedon't need it and maybe it helps20:05
shadeslayerNightrose: worth a shot.. but im not sure it helps20:05
Nightroseyea20:05
Nightroseme neither ;-)20:05
shadeslayerwell... if you dont need it,remove it :P20:06
shadeslayerNightrose: you will boot to recovery?20:07
Nightroseyes - only way to get to a console atm20:07
shadeslayer:)20:08
shadeslayerNightrose: also try to see dmesg | less for errors20:08
Nightrosek20:08
shadeslayeri dont think the log lasts for more than one boot... but lets try20:08
jefferaiNightrose: what is the resolution of your display?20:08
shadeslayeri wonder if the kernel needs to be reconfigured... by dpkg... seems like X20:10
Nightrosejefferai: uhhhh no idea tbh20:10
Nightrosenumbers...20:10
jefferaiNightrose: try running "hwinfo --framebuffer"20:10
* shadeslayer will do everything in his power to get this fixed20:11
Nightrosejefferai: spits out quite some stuff ;-)20:12
Nightrosewhat do i want?20:12
jefferaiheh20:12
jefferaiok20:12
shadeslayerNightrose: the top most rez20:12
Nightroseshadeslayer: thx!20:12
jefferaier, wait20:12
jefferaishadeslayer: will that be the highest-res one?20:12
* jefferai doesn't know hwinfo20:12
shadeslayerjefferai: it should be20:12
jefferaiok20:12
jefferaiNightrose: what's that top most one?20:12
Nightrosescrolled out of screen...20:13
shadeslayerNightrose: pipe it through | less20:13
jefferaipipe it into less20:13
jefferai:-)20:13
* shadeslayer shoots jefferai in the fingers.... type faster20:13
shadeslayerNightrose: oh wait!20:13
* jefferai is doing other things too :-(20:13
shadeslayerNightrose: well... whats the highest res listed?20:14
Nightrosethe highest one is at the bottom it seems - 1280 x1240 20:14
shadeslayerjefferai: apparently hwinfo says whats the highest rez supported by the card20:14
jefferaiheh, the mode I use isn't in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Linux_video_mode_numbers20:15
* jefferai uses 37D20:15
shadeslayer!rez20:15
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about rez20:15
shadeslayer!res20:15
ubottuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution20:15
shadeslayerNightrose: got it20:16
shadeslayerNightrose: what does xrandr say20:16
shadeslayerhighest res is at the top20:17
Nightrosexrandr says "can't open display20:17
jefferairight20:17
shadeslayerthat says alot ..20:17
jefferaiNightrose: hwinfo --framebuffer | less20:17
Nightrosedmesg doesn't seem to have anything useful either20:17
shadeslayerNightrose: thought so20:17
Nightrosejefferai: jep?20:18
jefferaiNightrose: do you have wgetpaste installed?20:19
shadeslayerNightrose: ok,run : dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-*20:19
Nightrosepastebinit i think20:19
Nightrosesec - apache uninstalled20:19
jefferaishadeslayer: wait, what?20:19
Nightroselet me reboot and see if that helped any20:19
jefferainono20:19
jefferaiwait20:19
jefferaistop20:19
jefferailet's get you a decent video mode first20:19
Nightroseheh ok20:19
jefferaiso when you reboot you can see more info20:19
Nightrosek20:20
shadeslayerjefferai: that command will reconfigure the kernel 20:20
jefferaishadeslayer: to what effect?20:20
shadeslayerjefferai: which also helps with X drivers20:20
jefferaiNightrose: can you either type the top line from hwinfo --framebuffer, or pipe it into pastebinit or something, so we can see?20:20
Nightrosejep sec20:20
shadeslayerjefferai: that should effectively poke the kernel to run depmod which pokes the system and installs missing drivers20:20
shadeslayer( most of the open source ones )20:21
jefferaishadeslayer: what leads you to believe that this is a missing driver problem?20:21
shadeslayerjefferai: the fact that X is not properly configured20:21
Nightrosejefferai: 02: None 00.0: 11001 VESA Framebuffer20:21
jefferaishadeslayer: what leads you to believe that X is not properly configured?20:22
shadeslayerjefferai: the fact that theres no X on boot20:22
jefferaishadeslayer: there's X on boot20:22
jefferaishe said she got kdm up20:22
jefferaibut then the system froze20:22
shadeslayerjefferai: she install gdm... and now gdm doesnt start20:22
jefferaiNightrose: try pastebinning - that line isn't helpful  :-(20:22
Nightrosek20:22
jefferaishadeslayer: that doesn't change the fact that kdm did start20:23
Nightrosejefferai: http://pastebin.com/5W7qAtcN20:23
jefferaiNightrose: nice20:24
jefferaitry adding the following to your kernel line20:24
jefferaivga=83620:24
Nightrosek20:24
shadeslayerjefferai: uh.. vga is depreceated 20:24
jussiRiddell: ping20:24
jefferaiNightrose: sec20:25
Nightrosek20:25
shadeslayerjefferai: you need video=uvesafb:mode_option=1440x900-3220:25
shadeslayerreplace the res of course ;)20:25
jefferaivga=0x32420:25
jefferaiNightrose: ^20:26
jefferaithat20:26
jefferaior20:26
jefferaitry shadeslayer's20:26
shadeslayertry jefferai's first :)20:26
Nightroseit's shorter... :D20:26
jefferaishadeslayer: deprecated doesn't mean doesn't work :-)20:26
shadeslayer:P20:26
* jefferai has had mixed luck with uvesafb20:26
jefferaialso20:26
jefferaiuvesafb assumes you're actually using uvesafb20:26
shadeslayerjefferai: is the default driver on lucid for ATi xserver-xorg-video-radeon ?20:27
jefferaiI don't know, I don't use *buntu20:27
shadeslayerok...20:28
CIA-99[libqapt] jmthomas * 1144389 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp SVN_SILENT: Whitespace fixes20:28
* Nightrose can't get a =...20:29
Nightrosewrong keyboard layout20:29
* Nightrose looks it up20:29
shadeslayerhmm.. found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes#Window corruption with older ATI graphics cards20:30
shadeslayernothing to do with K/GDM20:30
Nightroseshadeslayer: ohhhhh20:30
shadeslayerbut still Nightrose's cards falls into that category20:30
* Nightrose looks at link20:30
shadeslayerMemory is less than 32 MB 20:30
jefferaiNightrose: did you reboot?20:30
Nightrosejefferai: still trying to write vga=0x32420:31
Nightrose;-)20:31
jefferaiheh20:31
shadeslayerNightrose: you also have to disable splash ( no nomodst this time )20:32
Nightroseok done20:32
Nightrosebooting20:32
shadeslayeruh... bug 57873520:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 578735 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "X does not start (hangs) with ATI radeon in Lucid" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57873520:33
Nightroseohhhhhhh oh20:33
Nightroseok hangs again - this time the last thing is: loading the saved-state of the serial device20:34
Nightrosewhatever that means20:34
jefferaiNightrose: can you see more text now?20:34
Nightroseshadeslayer: :( that bug didn't get looked at since 11th it seems20:34
shadeslayerkubotu: google loading the saved-state of the serial device20:35
* jefferai isn't convinced it's a video card driver problem20:35
kubotuResults for loading the saved-state of the serial device: 1. Hang in startup: "Loading the saved-state of the serial devices ...: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=635083 | 2. #375276 - setserial: don't mislead by saying "loading saved-state ...: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375276 | 3. Serial HOWTO: Locating the Serial Port: IO address, IRQs: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO-9.html20:35
ubottuDebian bug 375276 in setserial "setserial: don't mislead by saying "loading saved-state" if none" [Wishlist,Open]20:35
jefferaiconsidering that even when you don't go into X your machine *still* hangs20:35
Nightrosejefferai: this card has been causing trouble ever since - so i wouldn't be suprised tbh20:35
Nightrose:/20:35
Nightroseand yea i see more20:35
Nightrosea bunch of udevd stuff20:35
* jefferai would look there first20:36
jefferaiit's possible it's a udev problem20:36
jefferaiudev loading some module that is buggy on your system20:36
jefferaior things in conflict20:36
Nightroseok it's lots of this:20:36
jefferaishadeslayer: does *buntu have a way to interrupt booting and step through each step one by one?20:37
shadeslayerjefferai: well... in my 2 years.. i have never seen such a thing :P20:37
jefferaiBlech20:37
jefferaimost linux distros have a way to do it :-(20:37
Nightroseudevd[298]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device20:37
jefferaihm -- probably ok20:37
jefferai*probably*20:38
Nightrose, in /etc/udev/rules.d/something20:38
jefferaishadeslayer: what would be nice is she could step through each serviec, waiting 30 seconds after each20:38
jefferaiand that would help narrow it down to the particular service causing problem20:38
jefferais20:38
shadeslayerill get the info :)20:38
Nightroseand https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/578735 is from dfaure btw...20:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 578735 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "X does not start (hangs) with ATI radeon in Lucid" [Undecided,Confirmed]20:40
jefferaiit's from dfaure? :20:41
jefferaiGdmLog: Error: command ['sudo', 'cat', '/var/log/gdm/:0.log'] failed with exit code 1: cat: /var/log/gdm/:0.log: No such file or directory20:41
jefferaiGdmLog1: Error: command ['sudo', 'cat', '/var/log/gdm/:0.log.1'] failed with exit code 1: cat: /var/log/gdm/:0.log.1: No such file or directory20:41
jefferaiGdmLog2: Error: command ['sudo', 'cat', '/var/log/gdm/:0.log.2'] failed with exit code 1: cat: /var/log/gdm/:0.log.2: No such file or directory20:41
jefferai:-(20:41
shadeslayerjefferai: #ubuntu-x20:57
shadeslayerbulldog98: poke20:57
shadeslayerbulldog98: is your email account working? :D20:57
shadeslayerRiddell: new schedule at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep21:02
shadeslayerplease have a look and advise.. 13th is after kde has been tagged and released21:02
lex79shadeslayer: so? :) I think usually they did a demostration of plasmoid packaging...but not sure21:05
shadeslayerlex79: ah ok.. well i was not sure ;)21:05
shadeslayerlex79: last time Riddell scheduled it,it was just after KDE was tagged21:06
shadeslayerthe schedule on kubuntu.org ;)21:06
lex79yeah, I think they never did a demostration of "update a KDE release in Kubuntu"21:07
lex79just did small things21:07
shadeslayer:P21:07
lex79shadeslayer: btw you have only 1 hour session, not two days :D21:08
shadeslayerlex79: i know ;)21:09
* shadeslayer is afraid he will overshoot21:09
lex79:)21:09
shadeslayerlex79: last time i gave a session in #ubuntu-classroom21:09
shadeslayerovershot by one hour -.-21:09
lex79ah I didn't know :)21:09
shadeslayer:D21:09
ulysseshm, first time I know why KTorrent disappeared… it crashed, and this is the first time I see a crash message:P21:15
Quintasanthis is just stupid!21:15
shadeslayerulysses: yeah21:16
shadeslayerulysses: happens loads of times here21:16
QuintasanProject Neon checks out, creates tarball and applies debian changes but it fails to find the same changes file it created seconds ago21:16
Quintasanlol21:16
ulyssesshadeslayer: uhm, load, another annoying thing… sometimes it goes up to 10!21:17
shadeslayerQuintasan: i understood the code a bit...21:17
shadeslayerreally need to read the book tho21:18
shadeslayerbtw if anyone needs a ruby book,use http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Books/21:19
shadeslayeri found it after searching loads of sites :P21:20
shadeslayerQuintasan: the actual site is down21:20
lummrc1 on 4.5 gives me a empty x window in my taskbar.. if i close it plasma crashes. how to avolid this behavoir, is this a known issue?21:33
shadeslayerlumm: happens to me with VLC21:40
ulyssessame with konqueror if you watch a flash video on youtube21:41
lex79shadeslayer: that bug is gone with vlc 1.1.021:42
shadeslayerw00t21:42
* shadeslayer huggles lumm21:42
shadeslayerbah.. bad tab complete 21:42
shadeslayerwell.. hugs for lex79 ;)21:42
lex79:)21:42
* ulysses hugs lex79 also21:43
lex79:-*21:43
ulyssesit was a bit „funny”, when I opened a webpage with full of flash videos… 13 little empty X windows…21:43
shadeslayerlex79: how does one reinstall all packages?21:44
lex79reinstall all packages? :(21:44
shadeslayerlex79: like with apt-get --reinstall install21:45
shadeslayerlex79: Nightrose has problems with the packaging now... X starts but is stuck at ksplash21:47
lex79uhm dunno :(21:47
shadeslayer:(21:48
shadeslayerim off to sleep :)21:48
lex79good night shadeslayer21:48
shadeslayerlex79: bye21:49
lex79bye :-*21:49
* lex79 goes out for a bit21:49
CIA-99[messages] renard * 1144416 * (30 files in 14 dirs) Traduction et mise ?\195?\160 jour par Jo?\195?\171lle Cornavin22:31
Quintasanapachelogger: ping22:55
Riddelljussi: pong23:15
RiddellNightrose: any luck?23:15
NightroseRiddell: nope :(23:15
Nightrosestill broken23:15
Nightrosegave up for today pretty much23:15
Nightrosetrying to get my slides done on the eepc...23:16
Nightroseor what i can get done there of it23:16
RiddellNightrose: I guess I'd try a reinstall in such a situation, both of 10.04 and if the problem was still there of maverick alpha23:18
Nightrosei will do that but have 0 time for it before akademy :(23:19
Nightroseand after akademy i need to figure out where to put the data that is on the system atm23:19
Nightrosenot enough space to backup23:19
Nightroseso i'd really really rather avoid it23:19
RiddellNightrose: a reinstall won't wipe /home23:19
Nightrosei have no /home23:19
Nightrose;-)23:19
Nightroseall on onepartition23:20
Riddellthat's fine, it still won't wipe /home23:20
Nightroseohhhhh that sounds interesting then...23:20
Nightrosehow do i do that?23:20
Riddellas long as you do custom partioning don't tick the "format" box it'll wipe /usr and /etc and so forth but leave everything else23:21
Nightroseok23:21
Nightroseso i need to get a cd..23:21
Nightroseand a way to burn it23:21
Nightrosempfh23:21
RiddellNightrose: or a usb disk23:22
Nightroseyea23:24
* Riddell copies 4.4.5 from stating to updates23:31
Riddellfabo: I see qt mobility has a tar now, do you have plans to upload that to debian?23:40
Riddellasac: ^^23:40
Riddelldo we want plasma-scriptengine-ruby in main?23:57
Riddelland indeed the rest of the ruby bindings stuff23:58
lex79uhm, what's the purpose to have that in main?23:59

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