[00:03] <ScottK> NCommander: Could you rescore kdebase-workspace kdebindings (for armel)?
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I labeled it "cautious upgrade"
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: use C++ :P (I've never used ruby)
[00:37] <JontheEchidna> oh, but you probably mean for neon
[00:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger would know more than me
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> whee, k3b 2.0.0
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> we should put that in lucid-backports
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> btw, we don't want to disable k3b-i18n, it has translated docs too
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> oh, actually we're disabling the english docs, so...
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> nevermind :)
[00:53] <lex79> :)
[01:01] <ScottK-droid> NCommander: Thanks. Could I please have kdegraphics too?
[01:28] <lex79> seems there are progress on dr konqi issue :)
[01:38] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Are the k3b docs still for KDE3?  If not, we should probably activate them.
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: still for kde3
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> they're moving to online docs for 2.1
[01:38] <ScottK> OK
[01:47] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: techbase?
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[01:47] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: hi, about the libqapt linking problem, yes I do have polkit-qt-1 installed
[01:47]  * Tm_T hates this flu and cough
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> :s
[01:48] <Tm_T> I assume it being different path than some other stuff confuses
[01:48] <Tm_T> ie path issue
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> ah, yeah. probably
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> it's using a straight -lpolkit-qt-1
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> I don't know the macro for it
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> I should ask drf
[01:49] <Tm_T> or look how others do it
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> Most other things use KAuth
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> but
[01:50] <JontheEchidna> KAuth uses polkit-qt-1
[01:50] <Tm_T> heh
[01:50] <JontheEchidna> ...so I'll go take a look at that :)
[01:50] <Tm_T> KAuth saves a lot I guess
[01:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, but I wanted to not have a kde dep in libqapt, leave that to the app to decide
[01:50] <Tm_T> wise thing, I agree
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: could you try this patch please? http://pastebin.com/3VtEGCHc
[01:57] <Tm_T> will do, thanks
[01:58] <ryanakca> Riddell: Changing the URL would break any links to it already out there, but I can make it pretty if you would like
[02:05] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: perfect, thanks
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[02:06] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: ...but
[02:06] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1143886 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/CMakeLists.txt Use the proper CMake macro when linking to polkit-qt-1-core. That was tricky to find.
[02:07] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: currently it doesn't install dbus files to install path but system dir
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> more macro digging ;)
[02:08] <Tm_T> ye
[02:08] <Tm_T> hmmm
[02:09] <Tm_T> indeed, it could install to $INSTALLPATH/etc/dbus-1 instead of just /etc/dbus-1
[02:10] <Tm_T> although I don't know how well it would work, only one way to find out
[02:11] <Tm_T> should work just fine
[02:14] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: could you try ${DBUS_SYSTEM_SERVICES_INSTALL_DIR} ?
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> for org.kubuntu.qaptworker.service
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> actually, let me just whip up a patch, got a few more too :)
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> nevermind, just this should do it (in a hackish way)
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/../etc/dbus-1/system.d/
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> :s
[02:26] <Tm_T> hrrrr
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> all of the macros I found seem kde-specific
[02:29] <Tm_T> you should consult https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-buildsystem
[02:31] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: also, that's wrong (:
[02:31] <Tm_T> I just realised
[02:32] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: in my case it would be ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/etc/dbus-1/system.d/
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> I added a ${SYSCONF_INSTALL_DIR} flag that defaults to /etc, that you can do -DSYSCONF_INSTALL_DIR to set
[02:34] <Tm_T> that would be necessary for anyone who do build their own kde I guess
[02:34] <Tm_T> unless interested to touch their /etv
[02:34] <Tm_T>  /etc even
[02:34] <Tm_T> this is tricky, I see
[02:35] <JontheEchidna> yeah :I(
[02:35] <JontheEchidna> *:(
[02:36] <Daskreech> <:(
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: http://pastebin.com/5gmbuwJ5
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> magics!
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> for "normal" installs of /usr/, it uses /etc
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> otherwise, it uses what you set as the install prefix to
[02:47] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1143890 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/CMakeLists.txt (log message trimmed)
[02:47] <CIA-99> Magic for detecting the sysconfig dir. On prefixes of "/usr", it'll most likely
[02:47] <CIA-99> be in /etc, but where the prefix is different, this is most likely an install
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: ^
[02:59] <lex79> this bug 599490 is weird 
[03:01] <lex79> someone should try to install libphonon-dev in Lucid with beta backport enabled
[03:02]  * ScottK is gonna try it.
[03:11] <ScottK> nixternal, NCommander: We need your vote for lex79's kubuntu-dev application.
[03:14] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: indeed
[03:14] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: thanks (:
[03:19] <Tm_T> humm, I wonder why Shaman doesn't show package depends
[03:21] <JontheEchidna> ah, that qapt shaman backend is very wip
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> like, very :D
[03:40] <angelo> Hello
[04:38] <ScottK> NCommander: New upstream release didn't help.  kdebindings still needs your help on armel: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51092349/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.kdebindings_4:4.4.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:49] <nixternal> ScottK: is there a log for his dev app?
[04:49] <ScottK> nixternal: Yes.  See kubuntu-devel mail list.
[04:49] <nixternal> roger
[04:54] <nixternal> voted
[06:00] <NCommander> ScottK: yeah, I need to go beat it
[06:01] <NCommander> ScottK: er, I'm not on the council
[08:29] <hrw> morning
[08:30] <hrw> any information when kdepim newer then 4.4.4 will be available?
[08:42] <hrw> njpatel: you here?
[08:42] <njpatel> hrw, morning dude
[08:42]  * njpatel 's first ping in kubuntu-devel
[08:43] <njpatel> :)
[09:18] <fabo> Riddell: qt-assistant-compat commited on git.d.o
[09:23] <agateau> hey njpatel, what brings you here?
[09:24] <njpatel> agateau, I'm always here :)
[09:24] <hrw> guys: when will KDE handle xrandr properly?
[09:24] <hrw> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/06/29/switched-to-ati-radeon/ describes my system and problem
[09:24] <agateau> njpatel: oh ok :)
[09:24] <njpatel> agateau, you know, keeping an eye on the enemy etc
[09:24] <njpatel> ;)
[09:24] <agateau> njpatel: heh
[09:59] <milian> apachelogger: late pong (was on a festival), yes I have contacts to the kate devs
[09:59] <milian> I am one of them after all ;-)
[10:01] <apachelogger> milian: last time I was into that there was a war between kdevelop and kate :P
[10:02] <apachelogger> sounded a bit like vi vs. emacs
[10:02] <milian> not war but well quite a bit of emotions :)
[10:02] <apachelogger> ^^
[10:02] <milian> it's kinda settled now anyways
[10:02] <milian> how come you ask?
[10:02] <apachelogger> milian: so, any chance of getting the backup-at-save feature turned off by default?
[10:03] <milian> sure, quite easy for you as a packager, no?
[10:03] <milian> simply change the default settings
[10:03] <apachelogger> milian: well, yeah, but I would lik eot get this done upstream ;)
[10:03] <apachelogger> or at least know why it is default to begin with
[10:05] <milian> well I doubt it gets turned of for 4.5 but assuming/hoping the VI-mode gsoc works out we get something better for 4.x, x > 5
[10:06] <milian> I dunno why it's default by default, probably because someone thought it should be that way
[10:06] <milian> -default +enabled
[10:06] <milian> apachelogger: the gsoc tries to implement vi-like swapfiles for proper error recovery
[10:06] <milian> which would be actually useful
[10:06] <milian> compared to the backup files :)
[10:07] <apachelogger> ohhh, indeed
[10:07] <apachelogger> \o/
[10:07] <apachelogger> well then
[10:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^ supposedly we should decativate that the dark force that is backup files and publicly praise how awesome vi-like swp files will be as to ensure that there shall be those soonish :P
[10:08] <milian> well I haven't seen any code from that gsoc so far
[10:08] <milian> but there should be some - at least I think so
[10:27] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: btw you know how to choose what backend to use with shaman?
[10:33] <CIA-99> [messages] zepires * 1143997 * trunk/l10n-kde4/pt/messages/ (3 files in 3 dirs) Finished HEAD for now
[10:52] <agateau> Riddell: ping, do you have a bof scheduled for Akademy?
[10:53] <freinhard> hi!
[10:53] <Riddell> agateau: nope, I was hoping you'd do that
[10:53] <Riddell> good morning freinhard 
[10:54] <agateau> Riddell: ok, so you are still up for a joint bof
[10:54] <freinhard> just added the beta packports repository for kde 4.5rc1, this will remove kubuntu-netbook since it depends on kdebase-workspace-bin
[10:55] <agateau> Riddell: there are still quite a few timeslots available for a bof, do you have any bof you do not want to skip? (so that I pick a compatible slot)
[10:56] <freinhard> and kdebase-workspace-bin gets removed because of unsatisfied dependencies
[10:58] <freinhard> somehow really wierd since i think all dependencies could be satisfied
[10:58] <agateau> Riddell: is Tuesday 15:00 ok for you?
[10:58] <Riddell> agateau: yes, good for me
[10:58] <Riddell> freinhard: kdebase-workspace-bin shouldn't get removed
[11:01] <freinhard> this is really random! deleted /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates* and /root/.aptitude two times till it resolved everything propperly!
[11:07] <freinhard> does data from .kde/share/apps/kmail/ get migrated in 4.5rc1 yet?
[11:08] <agateau> Riddell: ok, scheduled
[11:16] <Riddell> freinhard: yes
[11:18] <freinhard> Riddell: so the packages already ship kmail2?
[11:19] <Riddell> KMail: 1.13.3
[11:20] <freinhard> um, i'm confused. so if data gets migrated to akonadi, how's kmail 1.13.3 supposed to access it?
[11:22] <Riddell> it doesn't get migrated for akonadi, it's used in the normal way for kmail 1.13.3
[11:51] <Riddell> just spotted this in a debian commit   +Standards-Version: 3.9.0
[12:18] <hrw> any info when kmail 4.4.90 will land in repo?
[12:22] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: -DSHAMAN_BACKEND=PACKAGEKIT or -DSHAMAN_BACKEND=APT (the old apt backend that's less working than QApt's)
[12:23] <Riddell> hrw: there no such thing, kdepim aren't releasing yet
[12:24] <hrw> ah, good to know
[13:03] <ScottK> Riddell: For the netbook stuff, how does it handle default settings?
[13:04] <Riddell> ScottK: same as because except KDEDIRS is set in /usr/bin/startkde based on screen size instead of unconditionally in /etc/X11/xsession/
[13:05] <ScottK> Ah, so we still get netbook default settings if that picks netbook.
[13:05] <Riddell> yes
[13:24] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: I see, shame it's build time option... interesting results I get, though
[13:26] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1144150 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/MainWindow.cpp What we get from the QApt Worker is really a package name, not a file name.
[13:34] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1144160 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (CommitWidget.cpp CommitWidget.h MainWindow.cpp) There are headers in the download widget for when both the cache updates and when packages are being downloaded. Use one in the commit widget too for consistency.
[13:37] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1144167 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ReviewWidget.cpp Connect to the new signal for refreshing the buttons of the DetailWidget's main tab
[13:40] <a|wen> Riddell: are we ready to release 4.4.5 later today? as in how's kde-l10n coming along?
[13:43] <Quintasan> \o
[13:47] <Riddell> a|wen: building now
[13:47] <a|wen> wonderfully
[13:50] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ping
[13:52] <Quintasan> le fu-
[14:07] <Quintasan> Riddell: ping
[14:08] <Riddell> hi Quintasan 
[14:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: hello, do you still have that spare computer running? I have some time and I want to try Project Neon
[14:13] <Riddell> I can turn it on
[14:14] <Quintasan> Riddell: well, it would be awesome cause I have *cough* active WoW player and uploading things bigger than 10 MB is impossible
[14:15] <Quintasan> :S
[14:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: first of all, why the hel do we have two team for project neone?
[14:18] <Quintasan> oh crap
[14:18] <Quintasan> it's a  user @_@
[14:27] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1144200 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/PackageModel/ (PackageModel.cpp PackageModel.h) Pass the QList to add/removePackages as const. No optimization since QList is implicitly shared, but it's a good idea anyways to avoid stupid coding errors in the future
[14:28] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: Will be Muon part of the default Maverick installation?
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> I don't think it'll be ready in time
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> Best not to rush these sort of things anyways, else you end up with stuff like adept and kpackagekit in Kubuntu 8.10/9.04 ;)
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> not a pretty memory
[14:29]  * ulysses hated Adept in Intrepid
[14:30] <ulysses> back to KTorrent translation:/
[14:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: neon poke
[14:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: my ruby knowledge == 0 for neon,can i learn as i go ?
[14:43] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: well, I will first try to make that crap upload to right ppa
[14:43] <shadeslayer> oohh.. my p.u.c account was activated :P
[14:46] <shadeslayer> hmm.. my membership to kubuntu-bugs is about to expire.. how come that happened?
[14:47] <Riddell> it has a timeout like most memberships
[15:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: bah.. :(
[15:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: same applies for Kubuntu Memberships ? 
[15:05] <Riddell> yes
[15:05] <Riddell> just renew it
[15:05] <shadeslayer> ah ok :)
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw after https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.4.90-0ubuntu1/+build/1815070 is done building can you rebuild sparc of kdeartwork,games and accessibility 
[15:09] <Riddell> ok just remind me at the time
[15:09] <shadeslayer> sure :)
[15:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: got a question if your free for a bit
[15:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did kdepim also release a new version? and wasnt it supposed to be out next month?
[15:12] <shadeslayer> or was it something else ? ( it was some akonadi stuff... i dont remember properly )
[15:13] <Riddell> kdepim is delayed
[15:13] <Riddell> see http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2010-June/003956.html
[15:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah ok,thanks :)
[15:42] <shadeslayer> rickspencer3: poke .. can you have a look at bug 565376
[15:43] <shadeslayer> im just going to verify if the problem exsists on maverick as well
[15:43] <rickspencer3> urk
[15:43] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1144265 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[15:43] <CIA-99> What we're really doing here in all cases is setting the Model's package list to
[15:43] <CIA-99> an entirely new set of packages. We don't have to iterate over each package we
[15:43] <rickspencer3> shadeslayer, I'm sorry, but I don't see myself having time to debug this this week
[15:44] <shadeslayer> rickspencer3: ok,no problem,but please have a look when your free ;)
[15:44] <rickspencer3> the error message suggests that desktopcouch is not properly installed on that system
[15:44] <shadeslayer> rickspencer3: ok,ill just give this a try on maverick as well :)
[15:44] <rickspencer3> the error is here:     from desktopcouch.records.server import CouchDatabase
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> adding packages to the model just went from being 0.11% of the application's cost to 0.00% \o/
[15:44] <rickspencer3> so there's a one line repro script for you ;)
[15:45] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:45] <shadeslayer> rickspencer3: btw im on maverick.. no more lucid :P
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: is gnome-keyring installed?
[15:45] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: hold on.. im just installing bughugger on maverick :)
[15:46] <shadeslayer> ok .. well it started up :P
[15:46] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44587778/Dependencies.txt
[15:47] <shadeslayer> rickspencer3: it fails on authorization
[15:47] <shadeslayer> rickspencer3: doesnt open a browser
[15:47] <shadeslayer> /usr/bin/bughugger:393: GtkWarning: Unable to show 'https://edge.launchpad.net/+authorize-token?oauth_token=4q5F6G7rCk3ZfnB8f8hC': Operation not supported
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> So it looks like python-desktopcouch depends on python-gnomekeyring, but since that's a python library for gnome-keyring it doesn't depend on the actual runtime package
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> bughugger should probably depend on gnome-keyring
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> or perhaps python-desktopcouch
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> since the library does need gnome-keyring to not python-crash
[15:48] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ok,so can i upload a debdiff and ask for SRU?
[15:49] <shadeslayer> now its stuck at " Launchpad says im Done :P "
[15:49] <shadeslayer> user has granted authentication, please wait for handshake 
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> You'd have to ask the bughugger and python-desktopcouch maintainers which package should have the dependency
[15:49] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: well.. rickspencer3 is the bughugger maintainer :)
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> but I think that as long as you aren't getting the traceback in bughugger anymore then your new problem is a separate bug
[15:50] <shadeslayer> seems so :P
[15:51] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: what about the old problem? about bughugger not starting 
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> see my gabbing about gnome-keyring ;)
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> that's what I was describing how to address
[15:52] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> you do have gnome-keyring installed now, yes?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> rickspencer3: so should bughugger depend on  gnome-keyring
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> remove it, and you'll probably be able to repro the old bug
[15:52] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: lemme check
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: I'd say python-desktopcouch should, technically
[15:52] <rickspencer3> shadeslayer, no
[15:52] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yes its installed
[15:52] <shadeslayer> rickspencer3: ok thanks for the info
[15:52] <rickspencer3> it doesn't call gnome keyring directly
[15:53] <rickspencer3> whatever is calling gnome keyring should depend on it, though
[15:53] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ill have a look at the changes to python-desktopcouch 
[15:53] <shadeslayer> in maverick :)
[15:54] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/UPSQmCqh
[15:54] <shadeslayer> so  python-gnomekeyring suggests gnome-keyring
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> technically python-gnomekeyring is a library
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> an application could, for example, add optional gnome-keyring support, detected at runtime, and also provide other auth support
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> so python-gnomekeyring can't depend on gnome-keyring and still be nice ;)
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> but since python-desktopcouch uses it unconditionally, it should depend on it
[15:58] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna:  python-desktopcouch seems to be a transitional package.. for what but?
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: probably python-couchdb, though I'm not a desktopcouch expert
[15:59] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i thought so too... 
[15:59] <shadeslayer> about the python-couchdb part ;)
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> oh
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> wait
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> just desktopcouch
[15:59] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> "
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> Includes python library
[16:00] <JontheEchidna>  for interacting with database.
[16:00] <shadeslayer> hmm..
[16:01] <shadeslayer> lol .. now bughugger is stuck at retrieving non-targetted bug_tasks for apachelogger with my connection being used up 100 pc
[16:01] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:02] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ah i know why i have gnome-keyring
[16:02] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i have gparted installed...
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> that'd do it
[16:02] <shadeslayer> this problem is still not rectified since i see no dep for gnome-keyring :)
[16:03] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: can this be rectified in lucid?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> as a SRU perhaps ?
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> yes, an SRU for a missing dependency is appropriate
[16:03] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ok,ill get onto this :)
[16:04] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: just a question,but since python-desktopcouch is a transitional package,we can add gnome-keyring to desktopcouch as well? or just to python-desktopcouch
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> We would want to add it to desktopcouch in maverick, and to whatever is not the transitional package in lucid
[16:07] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: heh https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/amd64/python-desktopcouch/0.5-0ubuntu1
[16:07] <shadeslayer> it seems python-desktopcouch is a part of desktopcouch 
[16:07] <shadeslayer> so desktopcouch in lucid too i would guess...
[16:17]  * shadeslayer wonders if JontheEchidna just timed out or if its $WORK
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> I didn't realize I was being asked a question :P
[16:17] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i just want to confirm :)
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> the source package is desktopcouch in both lucid and maverick, yes
[16:18] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ok,ill do a SRU for this ;)
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> though python-desktopcouch isn't a transitional package in lucid
[16:19] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yep
[16:19] <shadeslayer> its a package to itself..
[16:21] <shadeslayer> uh...
[16:21]  * shadeslayer blinks
[16:21] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/F7ef9Xqa
[16:21] <shadeslayer> how come debian/control doesnt define these packages?
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> because the source package is desktopcouch
[16:22] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ok,but for eg. in kdeartwork,we split packages,right
[16:22] <shadeslayer> and those packages appear in Built Packages
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktopcouch
[16:23] <shadeslayer> but in https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktopcouch , we have python-desktopcouch Python Desktop CouchDB , with no such thing defined in debian/control
[16:23] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: you did paste bughugger's debian/control
[16:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yes
[16:24] <shadeslayer> the link i gave you earlier 
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> but why would desktopcouch stuff be there at all?
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> bughugger is bughugger, desktopcouch is desktopcouch
[16:24] <shadeslayer> oh crap
[16:24] <shadeslayer> wrong link :P
[16:25]  * shadeslayer is stupid
[16:25] <shadeslayer> i dget'd the wrong link :D
[16:29] <Daskreech> dget?
[16:29] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: yes..
[16:29] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: do you want the debdiff or should i file bug?
[16:29]  * Daskreech grumbles about trying to keep up with the hot apps these days
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I think tonio goofed when subscribing people, let's try to not let bug 594998 slip through the cracks
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: its a old app :P
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: file a bug please
[16:30] <Daskreech> If I get an Android I'm going to burnout
[16:30]  * Daskreech considers getting  Nokia and just installing Kubuntu on the phone
[16:35] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: can i just attach the debdiff the original bug report and get it reviewed for SRU?
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: if you move it to desktopcouch and close the bughugger upstream report, yeah
[16:35] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:41] <nixternal> good morning Kubuntu'erz!!!
[16:41]  * Daskreech hugs ni
[16:41]  * Daskreech hugs nixternal
[16:43] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: bug 565376 , has debdiff
[16:43] <shadeslayer> ill post a debdiff for maverick too
[16:43] <shadeslayer> nixternal: \o
[16:46] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1144303 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ManagerWidget.cpp Standardize click text for the search bar, and remove the label. It did more harm to the layout than it did good
[16:47] <ScottK> KDE ~4.5 is a lot nicer when the blur effect works.
[16:47] <shadeslayer> ScottK: blur worked here before
[16:48] <shadeslayer> oh man
[16:48] <lex79> o/
[16:48] <shadeslayer> ScottK: how much time earlier?
[16:48]  * shadeslayer needed to post a update
[16:48] <shadeslayer> lex79: \o
[16:49] <ScottK> shadeslayer: For what?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/bugs/565376
[16:49] <lex79> ScottK: I have all votes that I needed now?
[16:50] <shadeslayer> ScottK: debdiff for maverick : http://pastebin.com/7hqrri2c
[16:50] <ScottK> lex79: I think so, but Riddell would have to add you.
[16:50] <lex79> ok thanks
[16:50] <shadeslayer> altho.. im not sure if i should sync the changelogs for lucid and maverick... now that lucid needs a SRU
[16:50] <shadeslayer> lex79: w00t
[16:51] <lex79> :)
[16:51] <shadeslayer> lex79: how long did it take btw? ( to become kubuntu-dev )
[16:53] <lex79> shadeslayer: when you feel ready it's time :)
[16:53] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:53] <lex79> my first package that I did, was for Intrepid btw
[16:54] <lex79> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasmoid-wifi/0.5-0ubuntu2
[16:54] <shadeslayer> oohh :D
[16:54] <lex79> ^ my first package :)
[16:54]  * shadeslayer wonders what his was...
[16:54]  * Daskreech ponders getting Amsn 98.1 on hardy
[16:55] <shadeslayer> it was in lucid.. but dont remember what :P
[16:55] <lex79> well see in your LP page
[16:56] <Daskreech> It's 98.1 But I know someone on hardy who keeps asking for amsn 98.1
[16:57] <Daskreech> not sure if it's packagable for that release
[16:59] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: was your install fixed?
[16:59] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: no :(
[17:00] <Nightrose> i'm at work atm though - will try more in a few hours
[17:00] <Nightrose> i got X to show up last night
[17:00] <Nightrose> but then it freezes after 20 or so secs in kdm
[17:00] <shadeslayer> ah ok :)
[17:01]  * shadeslayer uses alternate CD's for upgrades
[17:01] <Nightrose> i'm tempted to reinstall the whole thing tbh - but i don't have enough space for a full backup...
[17:01] <Nightrose> and also not the time for this whole mess of course :/
[17:01] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: oh.. that happened to me before
[17:01] <Nightrose> yea?
[17:01]  * shadeslayer now has 1TB external HD
[17:01] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: the backup part ;)
[17:01] <Nightrose> ah heh
[17:02] <Daskreech> shadeslayer: Not enough :)
[17:02] <Daskreech> Nightrose: ~ partition ?
[17:02] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: lol.. i havent even managed to cross the 500 GB mark :P
[17:02] <Daskreech> wait 3 years
[17:02] <Nightrose> Daskreech: nope of course not... ;-)
[17:02] <Daskreech> Of course :)
[17:03] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: hehe
[17:03] <Daskreech> Same reason I said that Ubuntu will suck by the time it hits 2015
[17:04] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: 0_o
[17:04] <Daskreech> X OO.o and the kernel will be the only things that fit on the CD :)
[17:04] <shadeslayer> haha
[17:05] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: well aptitude was removed,so that freed up stuff
[17:05]  * shadeslayer thinks Kubuntu CD got optimized this time
[17:05] <shadeslayer> Plasma desktop + plasma netbook in one cd
[17:05] <Daskreech> shadeslayer: And they will keep removing stuff till it's kinda silly.
[17:05]  * Daskreech wants a Blu-ray image :0
[17:06] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: i would too.. we can fit the whole archive on it
[17:06] <shadeslayer> well.. most of it anyway :P
[17:08] <Daskreech> We can jsut remove anything that depends on gtk :)
[17:09] <shadeslayer> hehe... i remember one time there was a but about amarok depending on Gtk :P
[17:12] <shadeslayer> ScottK: soo... can you upload a fix?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> ScottK: for desktopcouchdb ....
[17:12] <shadeslayer> -db 
[17:13] <Daskreech> shadeslayer: is it pronounce Exaile ?
[17:13] <Daskreech> +d
[17:16] <schmidtm> sollte wohl Destination Host Unreachable heißen und war zu lang
[17:18] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: ??
[17:18] <Daskreech> shadeslayer: GTK port of Amarok ?
[17:19] <shadeslayer> oh noo..amarok itself had a dep on some gtk stuff
[17:19] <Riddell> libgpod
[17:20] <shadeslayer> maybe.. dont remember now :)
[17:21]  * shadeslayer has had no breakages till now
[17:21] <shadeslayer> --alpha
[17:21] <Daskreech> Riddell: Yes to connect to the iPods right?
[17:25] <ScottK> Yes.  Because the nogtk version of libgpod was deficient in some regard.
[17:27] <Daskreech> Nothing that code can't fix
[17:29]  * Riddell uploads 4.4.5 kde-l10n to updates PPA
[17:34] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I'm offline mostly today, so maybe later in the week.
[17:35] <shadeslayer> ScottK: sure sure :)
[17:38] <CIA-99> [docmessages] yurchor * 1144318 * trunk/l10n-kde4/uk/ (53 files in 21 dirs) SVN_SILENT Ukrainian translation update
[17:39] <shadeslayer> :o
[17:40] <shadeslayer> 53 files... one heck of a update
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> translators are hard workers
[17:45] <dpm> and cool people
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[18:06] <jefferai> Riddell: apachelogger: shadeslayer: ping
[18:06] <Riddell> hi jefferai 
[18:07] <jefferai> Hi
[18:07] <jefferai> If you don't help Lydia fix her mangled upgrade, she's going to switch to GNOME  :-o
[18:07] <Riddell> uh oh
[18:07] <shadeslayer> jefferai: hi
[18:07] <Nightrose> lol
[18:07] <Riddell> Nightrose: what broke?
[18:07] <jefferai> EVERYTHING
[18:07]  * shadeslayer runs around crying out KDE
[18:07]  * jefferai slaps shadeslayer
[18:08] <Quintasan> urgh
[18:08] <jefferai> Get it together, man!
[18:08] <Nightrose> Riddell: computer decided to reboot in the middle of the upgrade to 10.4 :/
[18:08] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:08] <Nightrose> X was borked
[18:08] <Nightrose> i fixed that last night
[18:08] <Nightrose> now it hangs after 20 or so secs in kdm
[18:08] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: hangs as in,mouse moves,but no response?
[18:08] <Nightrose> i'll get back home in an hour or so from work and then see what's up
[18:08]  * jefferai 's work here is done
[18:08] <Nightrose> nope - mouse doesn't move anymore at that point
[18:08] <jefferai> :-D
[18:09]  * Nightrose hugs jefferai
[18:09]  * shadeslayer gives jefferai a shot of kde
[18:09] <jefferai> Aww, it was easy. Just had to mention the G word.
[18:09] <Riddell> Nightrose: upgrade from what?
[18:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: want me to post backlog>
[18:09] <Nightrose> 0.10
[18:09] <Nightrose> 9.10 even
[18:10] <Nightrose> i finished it on command line
[18:10] <jefferai> BTW -- in case you think I'm a liar, I have proof!
[18:10] <jefferai> "i'll start with installing gnome and see if that let's me in at least"
[18:10] <Nightrose> -.-
[18:10] <jefferai> It's serious  :-O
[18:10] <jefferai> Don't let her go astray
[18:10] <jefferai> Keep her in the fold
[18:10] <Nightrose> start = start looking for a working solution until akademy so i can get my slides done ;-)
[18:10] <jefferai> Part of the flock
[18:10] <Nightrose> haha
[18:10] <jefferai> etc.
[18:10] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: hngh
[18:10] <jefferai> One of the KDE sheeple
[18:11] <jefferai> Nightrose: that's how it begins
[18:11] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/ZeMfqX4p
[18:11] <jefferai> "I'll install GNOME and see if it just lets me in."
[18:11] <jefferai> "Huh, GNOME has trays on the top *and* bottom"
[18:11] <shadeslayer> lol
[18:11] <jefferai> "Huh, Banshee looks like iTunes"
[18:11] <Quintasan> >GNOME
[18:11] <Nightrose> -_-
[18:11] <Quintasan> OMFG RUN FOR YOUR LIVES
[18:11] <jefferai> "Huh, GNOME 3.0 is coming out and that's like, a whole major upgrade better."
[18:12] <Nightrose> i actually had to use gnome for a year at university...
[18:12] <Nightrose> it was the horrible for me
[18:12] <shadeslayer> jefferai: that is just lame.. gnome 3.0 << gnome 2
[18:12] <Quintasan> >implying GNOME was ever good to begin with
[18:12] <shadeslayer> or whatever its at right now
[18:12] <jefferai> But don't you know? With Canonical's help, they're teh kickazz nao
[18:12] <jefferai> Anyways.
[18:12] <shadeslayer> jefferai: they removed the indexing thingy
[18:12] <shadeslayer> thats a no go for me...
[18:13] <jefferai> Beagle?
[18:13] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: they can remove half of the code, noone will even notice
[18:13] <Quintasan> :P
[18:13] <shadeslayer> also... i tried gnome 3.0... made me switch back to KDE 
[18:13] <jefferai> shadeslayer: funny, people tried KDE 4.0, made them switch back to GNOME
[18:13] <jefferai> :-)
[18:13] <jefferai> round and round it goes
[18:13] <shadeslayer> jefferai: and gnome 2.2.x made people want kde 4 :P
[18:14] <shadeslayer> so... theres no end to this :P
[18:14] <Riddell> gosh, flame central here
[18:14] <Riddell> Nightrose: so KDM just freezes?
[18:14] <Nightrose> Riddell: jep
[18:14] <Nightrose> that's basically it
[18:14] <Nightrose> if i'm fast i can type in my password and get the splash
[18:14]  * shadeslayer is really wondering how the computer rebooted
[18:15] <Nightrose> and then it freezes
[18:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: maybe old config files?
[18:15] <Nightrose> if i'm slow it freezes right in kdm
[18:15] <Quintasan> well, it can be problems with temperature
[18:15] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: probably too hot
[18:15] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: oh yeah.. i didnt think about that...
[18:16] <Quintasan> hmm
[18:16] <Quintasan> nepomuk is eating mah ramz
[18:16] <Quintasan> apachelogger: grrr remember ur passwordz
[18:16] <jefferai> Riddell: upstart starts kdm pretty early on right? So it could be something starting in the background -- not KDM itself
[18:17]  * Quintasan hits apachelogger with GNOME
[18:17] <shadeslayer> quick question,can i edit my gpg keys to use mah ubuntu.com address
[18:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: apachelogger is gnome resistant 
[18:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: yes
[18:17] <Quintasan> he is not
[18:17] <Riddell> jefferai: yes, although I've no idea what
[18:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: but use python instead
[18:17] <Quintasan> or I will pick up my banhammer
[18:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: that should make a dent
[18:17]  * Quintasan hits apachelogger with Python Hammer
[18:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: any idea how to do that?
[18:18] <shadeslayer> ( change email address )
[18:18] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: hmm, use Kleopatra to add second email address
[18:18] <Quintasan> :P
[18:18] <Quintasan> great, now we are stalled because apachelogger forgot the password
[18:18] <Quintasan> :S
[18:18] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what password?
[18:18] <shadeslayer> oh,,, Neon
[18:18] <Quintasan> grrr
[18:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: #neon
[18:19] <Quintasan> apachelogger is going to get grilled
[18:19] <Riddell> Nightrose: what happens if you go to a linux console?
[18:19] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: what's with that channel?
[18:19] <Nightrose> Riddell: can get there fine in recovery mode - can't seem to get there when it froze
[18:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its the channel for project neon of courst
[18:19] <shadeslayer> *course
[18:20] <shadeslayer> or i think it was...
[18:20] <jefferai> Nightrose: hey, try disabling KDM/X
[18:20] <Daskreech> Timelords!!
[18:20] <jefferai> well
[18:20] <Nightrose> jefferai: meaning?
[18:20] <jefferai> Riddell: is there a way to remove the graphical boot stuff and watch the services being started?
[18:21] <Nightrose> ok folks i'll have to get home - back in 30 to 40 mins i think
[18:21] <Nightrose> *hugs*
[18:21] <Riddell> only if she can edit the boot line at grub
[18:21] <Riddell> which isn't the case usually
[18:22] <jefferai> blech
[18:22] <jefferai> well
[18:22] <jefferai> if she used systemrescuecd
[18:22] <jefferai> and mounted the boot partition
[18:22] <jefferai> she could edit the grub line
[18:23] <shadeslayer> jefferai: or.. better
[18:23] <shadeslayer> jefferai: chroot :)
[18:23] <shadeslayer> also.. with the chroot we can see the logs more easily... 
[18:23] <jefferai> shadeslayer: what does that buy you?
[18:23] <jefferai> well, sure
[18:24] <jefferai> but my thought was to simply modify the grub line so she could see if it freezes activating a particular service each time
[18:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can we start a seprate X from a chroot? ( i read about it somewhere )
[18:24] <shadeslayer> jefferai: that can be done,but grub needs to be updated for that to be effective
[18:25] <shadeslayer> jefferai: i would not recommend editing grub.cfg by hand
[18:26] <jefferai> shadeslayer: and why not?
[18:26] <shadeslayer> jefferai: go through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[18:26] <shadeslayer> ( and not just browse it )
[18:27] <shadeslayer> specially the red stuff in bold letters
[18:28] <jefferai> shadeslayer: it says not to edit the file because changes won't be permanent
[18:29] <jefferai> which would be fine in this instance :-)
[18:29] <shadeslayer> jefferai: yes,but simply editing /etc/grub should do the trick
[18:29] <jefferai> after which you need to run grub-update
[18:29] <shadeslayer> then update grub..
[18:29] <jefferai> anyways
[18:29] <jefferai> point is
[18:29] <jefferai> modifying grub
[18:29] <jefferai> some way or another
[18:29] <shadeslayer> yes
[18:29] <jefferai> to show items as they start
[18:29] <jefferai> and perhaps logs :-)
[18:29] <shadeslayer> yeps
[18:30] <Quintasan> lex79: \o
[18:30] <shadeslayer> jefferai: i hope my account isnt getting too big.... whats my total log size?
[18:30] <jefferai> dunno
[18:30] <lex79> hi
[18:30] <jefferai> there isn't a good way to figure it out
[18:31]  * shadeslayer senses a disturbance in the force...
[18:31] <shadeslayer> jefferai: :(
[18:46] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1144349 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/ (worker.cpp workerinstallprogress.cpp) A few tiny const-related optimizations
[18:52] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1144351 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h package.cpp package.h) (log message trimmed)
[18:52] <CIA-99> Don't make QApt::Package a QObject. This decreases the heap size of 32,000
[18:52] <CIA-99> packages from 5.4 MiB to just around 1. For Muon, it gave a 30% heap size
[18:54] <Quintasan> Riddell: is it okay if I install ruby and git there?
[18:54] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes go ahead, you have sudo
[18:54] <Quintasan> awesome
[18:55]  * Quintasan goes to shop while qt is cloning
[19:01] <Quintasan> WHAT?!
[19:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: your internet is too fast
[19:01] <lex79> lol
[19:04]  * Quintasan has a crappy connection 2Mb/s :S
[19:23] <Nightrose> Riddell: apachelogger: shadeslayer: Quintasan: back at home at the patient's bedside...
[19:23] <Nightrose> how do i set it to use gdm instead of kdm? want to quickly try if gnome is running ok
[19:26] <Z-RAY_> after amateur tries to update MLT to 0.5.6 i have left without ffmpeg modules and even ffpmeg is installed, kdenlive says that some not installed at all. also it says that some sound module is not installed. i spent all day to make "lines and dots" bug dissappear (white lines and dots - was promised to be fixed in MLT 0.5.5) and i couldn't make it, even worse - now modules "avformat module", "Quimage module", "Title module" are missing and reinstallin
[19:26] <jefferai> Nightrose: might want to start burning a copy of systemrescuecd while you wait
[19:27] <Z-RAY_> g of the program and ffmpeg does not helping.
[19:27] <Z-RAY_> help me please to make this thing work correctly. my skype is "woanerges", or write me here. please, bro's, come on, i need some support here!
[19:27] <Z-RAY_> white dots and lines examples:
[19:27] <Z-RAY_> http://kdenlive.org/sites/default/files/shot1_0.png
[19:27] <Z-RAY_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrFXr_bx2a0
[19:27] <Nightrose> jefferai: i can't ;-)
[19:27] <Nightrose> no gui here at all
[19:27] <jefferai> you can't on the compy you're on now?
[19:27] <jefferai> oh
[19:27] <jefferai> do you have a cdburner though?
[19:27] <Nightrose> and the eeepc is utterly useless for cd burning
[19:27] <jefferai> could burn from the command line
[19:27] <jefferai> oh
[19:27] <jefferai> ah
[19:27] <jefferai> :-(
[19:27] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1144363 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (6 files) The Group class was really just a QString. There really is no reason it needs to be a QObject. Break API and just typedef Group as a QString, and a GroupList as a QStringList
[19:28]  * jefferai has heard it can be installed to a usb thumb drive
[19:28] <nixternal> Nightrose: were you looking for me earlier?
[19:28] <Nightrose> nixternal: yes
[19:28] <nixternal> what did i do this time?
[19:28] <Nightrose> to help me with my broken X since you fixed it last time for me
[19:28] <nixternal> or didn't do I guess would be more appropriate
[19:29] <nixternal> oh lordy, i haven't had anything broken in so damn long, i forgot how to fix things :)
[19:29] <nixternal> what's wrong this time?
[19:29] <Nightrose> heh
[19:29] <Nightrose> well i'm past the X b0rkedness now it seems
[19:29] <nixternal> whew
[19:29] <Nightrose> now kdm is freezing after about 20 secs
[19:29] <nixternal> :)
[19:29] <nixternal> feature
[19:29] <Nightrose> (borked upgrade to 10.04
[19:29] <nixternal> kdm is telling you to go outside and enjoy the day or evening
[19:30] <Nightrose> i have 3 akademy talks to prepare....
[19:30] <Nightrose> :/
[19:30] <Nightrose> so...
[19:30] <nixternal> then it is telling you to no prepare and get drunk instead :D
[19:30] <Nightrose> how do i configure it to use gdm?
[19:30] <Nightrose> want to see if gnome starts
[19:30] <nixternal> i think dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[19:30] <Nightrose> k
[19:30] <Nightrose> let's see..
[19:30] <nixternal> or gdm
[19:32] <shadeslayer> nixternal: yep
[19:32] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: that should ask you which one you want to use
[19:33] <Nightrose> gdm wasn't installed
[19:33] <Nightrose> installing now
[19:33] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:34] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: oh and after installing gdm,it will ask you,which to use
[19:35] <shadeslayer> so no need of invoking manually
[19:35] <Nightrose> jeo it did
[19:35] <Nightrose> *jep
[19:35]  * shadeslayer tries to send mail to new alias
[19:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/k3b/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/rules
[19:38] <shadeslayer> why do we have --list-missing in there?
[19:38]  * shadeslayer finds that odd
[19:39] <Nightrose> ok gdm isn't any helpful...
[19:39] <Nightrose> doesn't show up at all
[19:39] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:39] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: how did you start it?
[19:40] <Nightrose> normal boot
[19:40] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: sudo service gdm start 
[19:40] <shadeslayer> try that...
[19:40] <shadeslayer> i hope you have a tty
[19:40] <Nightrose> nope - i can get to a console in recovery mode
[19:40] <mfraz74> are we any closer to getting the printer configuration in system settings sorted?
[19:41] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: btw did the new dbusmenuclick solve the kopete thing
[19:41] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: ok press ctrl+D in recovery menu
[19:41] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: yes it did, i added a comment to the launchpad bug :)
[19:41] <shadeslayer> that should get you to a blue screen,hit enter on Resume
[19:42] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: can you post the bug number? i dont remember it :P
[19:42] <mfraz74> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599424
[19:42] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: screen goes black
[19:43] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: yes.. and no login? no boot messages?
[19:43] <Nightrose> nope
[19:43] <Nightrose> sec
[19:43] <shadeslayer> ok..
[19:44] <mfraz74> kde 4.5 seem more stable now, just wish the kdepim team would catch up
[19:44] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:45] <ulysses> kde 4.5 don't crash anymore when right clicking on system tray \o/
[19:46] <shadeslayer> ulysses: thanks to upstream
[19:47] <mfraz74> k3b still crashes when trying to configure it though
[19:47] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: ive forwarded upstream
[19:48] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: they have it on their watch list.. and its a issue with kdelibs
[19:48] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: it does seem to be an upstream problem as I think it affects Fedora too
[19:48] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: yes.. i think you know about the b.k.o report ;)
[19:49] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: hmm yea - nothing that helps
[19:49] <Nightrose> just a black screen
[19:49] <Nightrose> any other ideas anyone?
[19:49] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: try the 2nd tty...
[19:49] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: how do i get there?
[19:49] <shadeslayer> ctrl+alt+F2
[19:49] <Nightrose> ah k
[19:49] <shadeslayer> that _should_ drop you to a tty :)
[19:50] <Nightrose> ok got one - now start gdm again?
[19:51] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: yes,sudo service gdm start
[19:51] <shadeslayer> btw with gdm you cant shut down KDE.. only logout and login
[19:52] <shadeslayer> ( its a mess really )
[19:52] <Nightrose> hmm nope - same thing
[19:52] <Nightrose> ./
[19:52] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: any usefull error messages ?
[19:53] <Nightrose> i can't tell since there is nothing to look at ;-)
[19:53] <Nightrose> like nothing - not even a cursor
[19:53] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: oh.. try ctrl+alt+f7
[19:53] <shadeslayer> that should land in X
[19:53] <Nightrose> nothing
[19:54] <shadeslayer> try the 2nd tty with F2 
[19:54] <Nightrose> nothing on any of them from 1 to 7
[19:54] <shadeslayer> weird...
[19:54] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: one sec
[19:57] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: ok,so no tty.. force a reboot with ctrl+alt+del
[19:57] <shadeslayer> or hard power off...
[19:58] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: and when you reach grub press e
[19:58] <Nightrose> ctrl alt del doesn't do anything
[19:58] <Nightrose> k
[19:58] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: hard power off then :(
[19:59] <Nightrose> ok i'm in grub
[19:59]  * shadeslayer hits up on google till then
[19:59] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: ah good
[19:59] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: in the top most kernel,hit e
[19:59] <Nightrose> recovery or normal?
[19:59] <shadeslayer> that will lead you to edit the boot options
[19:59] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: normal
[19:59] <Nightrose> k
[20:00] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: can you see something like quiet ?
[20:00] <shadeslayer> in the boot line
[20:00] <Nightrose> jep
[20:00] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: remove the quiet word
[20:00] <shadeslayer> and remove splash as well... add nomodset instead
[20:00] <Nightrose> k
[20:01] <shadeslayer> so your line reads as : linux   /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-4-generic root=UUID=47d7ca6c-5492-4323-bd03-b3b7ca2e5f0e ro nomodset
[20:01] <shadeslayer> different kernel version tho
[20:01] <Nightrose> k
[20:01] <Nightrose> looks like that's done
[20:01] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: press ctrl+X and keep a eye on the boot messages
[20:01] <shadeslayer> see if anything fails
[20:01] <Nightrose> k
[20:03] <Nightrose> ok there were some errors but they went by too fast
[20:03] <Nightrose> last thing before freeze is apache2 start
[20:04] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: ah no problem,can you login with tty?
[20:04] <Nightrose> it's frozen again so nope :(
[20:04] <Nightrose> nothing i can do
[20:04] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: its frozen at starting apache2 ?
[20:04] <Nightrose> not sure - that's the last thing on the screen now
[20:05] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: and what about tty2?
[20:05] <Nightrose> no idea - can't get there ;-)
[20:05] <shadeslayer> bah.. we need that dmesg log :P
[20:05] <Nightrose> but i can actually uninstall apache
[20:05] <Nightrose> don't need it and maybe it helps
[20:05] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: worth a shot.. but im not sure it helps
[20:05] <Nightrose> yea
[20:05] <Nightrose> me neither ;-)
[20:06] <shadeslayer> well... if you dont need it,remove it :P
[20:07] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: you will boot to recovery?
[20:07] <Nightrose> yes - only way to get to a console atm
[20:08] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:08] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: also try to see dmesg | less for errors
[20:08] <Nightrose> k
[20:08] <shadeslayer> i dont think the log lasts for more than one boot... but lets try
[20:08] <jefferai> Nightrose: what is the resolution of your display?
[20:10] <shadeslayer> i wonder if the kernel needs to be reconfigured... by dpkg... seems like X
[20:10] <Nightrose> jefferai: uhhhh no idea tbh
[20:10] <Nightrose> numbers...
[20:10] <jefferai> Nightrose: try running "hwinfo --framebuffer"
[20:11]  * shadeslayer will do everything in his power to get this fixed
[20:12] <Nightrose> jefferai: spits out quite some stuff ;-)
[20:12] <Nightrose> what do i want?
[20:12] <jefferai> heh
[20:12] <jefferai> ok
[20:12] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: the top most rez
[20:12] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: thx!
[20:12] <jefferai> er, wait
[20:12] <jefferai> shadeslayer: will that be the highest-res one?
[20:12]  * jefferai doesn't know hwinfo
[20:12] <shadeslayer> jefferai: it should be
[20:12] <jefferai> ok
[20:12] <jefferai> Nightrose: what's that top most one?
[20:13] <Nightrose> scrolled out of screen...
[20:13] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: pipe it through | less
[20:13] <jefferai> pipe it into less
[20:13] <jefferai> :-)
[20:13]  * shadeslayer shoots jefferai in the fingers.... type faster
[20:13] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: oh wait!
[20:13]  * jefferai is doing other things too  :-(
[20:14] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: well... whats the highest res listed?
[20:14] <Nightrose> the highest one is at the bottom it seems - 1280 x1240 
[20:14] <shadeslayer> jefferai: apparently hwinfo says whats the highest rez supported by the card
[20:15] <jefferai> heh, the mode I use isn't in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Linux_video_mode_numbers
[20:15]  * jefferai uses 37D
[20:15] <shadeslayer> !rez
[20:15] <shadeslayer> !res
[20:16] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: got it
[20:16] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: what does xrandr say
[20:17] <shadeslayer> highest res is at the top
[20:17] <Nightrose> xrandr says "can't open display
[20:17] <jefferai> right
[20:17] <shadeslayer> that says alot ..
[20:17] <jefferai> Nightrose: hwinfo --framebuffer | less
[20:17] <Nightrose> dmesg doesn't seem to have anything useful either
[20:17] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: thought so
[20:18] <Nightrose> jefferai: jep?
[20:19] <jefferai> Nightrose: do you have wgetpaste installed?
[20:19] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: ok,run : dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-*
[20:19] <Nightrose> pastebinit i think
[20:19] <Nightrose> sec - apache uninstalled
[20:19] <jefferai> shadeslayer: wait, what?
[20:19] <Nightrose> let me reboot and see if that helped any
[20:19] <jefferai> nono
[20:19] <jefferai> wait
[20:19] <jefferai> stop
[20:19] <jefferai> let's get you a decent video mode first
[20:19] <Nightrose> heh ok
[20:19] <jefferai> so when you reboot you can see more info
[20:20] <Nightrose> k
[20:20] <shadeslayer> jefferai: that command will reconfigure the kernel 
[20:20] <jefferai> shadeslayer: to what effect?
[20:20] <shadeslayer> jefferai: which also helps with X drivers
[20:20] <jefferai> Nightrose: can you either type the top line from hwinfo --framebuffer, or pipe it into pastebinit or something, so we can see?
[20:20] <Nightrose> jep sec
[20:20] <shadeslayer> jefferai: that should effectively poke the kernel to run depmod which pokes the system and installs missing drivers
[20:21] <shadeslayer> ( most of the open source ones )
[20:21] <jefferai> shadeslayer: what leads you to believe that this is a missing driver problem?
[20:21] <shadeslayer> jefferai: the fact that X is not properly configured
[20:21] <Nightrose> jefferai: 02: None 00.0: 11001 VESA Framebuffer
[20:22] <jefferai> shadeslayer: what leads you to believe that X is not properly configured?
[20:22] <shadeslayer> jefferai: the fact that theres no X on boot
[20:22] <jefferai> shadeslayer: there's X on boot
[20:22] <jefferai> she said she got kdm up
[20:22] <jefferai> but then the system froze
[20:22] <shadeslayer> jefferai: she install gdm... and now gdm doesnt start
[20:22] <jefferai> Nightrose: try pastebinning - that line isn't helpful  :-(
[20:22] <Nightrose> k
[20:23] <jefferai> shadeslayer: that doesn't change the fact that kdm did start
[20:23] <Nightrose> jefferai: http://pastebin.com/5W7qAtcN
[20:24] <jefferai> Nightrose: nice
[20:24] <jefferai> try adding the following to your kernel line
[20:24] <jefferai> vga=836
[20:24] <Nightrose> k
[20:24] <shadeslayer> jefferai: uh.. vga is depreceated 
[20:24] <jussi> Riddell: ping
[20:25] <jefferai> Nightrose: sec
[20:25] <Nightrose> k
[20:25] <shadeslayer> jefferai: you need video=uvesafb:mode_option=1440x900-32
[20:25] <shadeslayer> replace the res of course ;)
[20:25] <jefferai> vga=0x324
[20:26] <jefferai> Nightrose: ^
[20:26] <jefferai> that
[20:26] <jefferai> or
[20:26] <jefferai> try shadeslayer's
[20:26] <shadeslayer> try jefferai's first :)
[20:26] <Nightrose> it's shorter... :D
[20:26] <jefferai> shadeslayer: deprecated doesn't mean doesn't work :-)
[20:26] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:26]  * jefferai has had mixed luck with uvesafb
[20:26] <jefferai> also
[20:26] <jefferai> uvesafb assumes you're actually using uvesafb
[20:27] <shadeslayer> jefferai: is the default driver on lucid for ATi xserver-xorg-video-radeon ?
[20:27] <jefferai> I don't know, I don't use *buntu
[20:28] <shadeslayer> ok...
[20:28] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1144389 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp SVN_SILENT: Whitespace fixes
[20:29]  * Nightrose can't get a =...
[20:29] <Nightrose> wrong keyboard layout
[20:29]  * Nightrose looks it up
[20:30] <shadeslayer> hmm.. found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes#Window corruption with older ATI graphics cards
[20:30] <shadeslayer> nothing to do with K/GDM
[20:30] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: ohhhhh
[20:30] <shadeslayer> but still Nightrose's cards falls into that category
[20:30]  * Nightrose looks at link
[20:30] <shadeslayer> Memory is less than 32 MB 
[20:30] <jefferai> Nightrose: did you reboot?
[20:31] <Nightrose> jefferai: still trying to write vga=0x324
[20:31] <Nightrose> ;-)
[20:31] <jefferai> heh
[20:32] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: you also have to disable splash ( no nomodst this time )
[20:32] <Nightrose> ok done
[20:32] <Nightrose> booting
[20:32] <shadeslayer> uh... bug 578735
[20:33] <Nightrose> ohhhhhhh oh
[20:34] <Nightrose> ok hangs again - this time the last thing is: loading the saved-state of the serial device
[20:34] <Nightrose> whatever that means
[20:34] <jefferai> Nightrose: can you see more text now?
[20:34] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: :( that bug didn't get looked at since 11th it seems
[20:35] <shadeslayer> kubotu: google loading the saved-state of the serial device
[20:35]  * jefferai isn't convinced it's a video card driver problem
[20:35] <kubotu> Results for loading the saved-state of the serial device: 1. Hang in startup: "Loading the saved-state of the serial devices ...: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=635083 | 2. #375276 - setserial: don't mislead by saying "loading saved-state ...: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375276 | 3. Serial HOWTO: Locating the Serial Port: IO address, IRQs: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO-9.html
[20:35] <jefferai> considering that even when you don't go into X your machine *still* hangs
[20:35] <Nightrose> jefferai: this card has been causing trouble ever since - so i wouldn't be suprised tbh
[20:35] <Nightrose> :/
[20:35] <Nightrose> and yea i see more
[20:35] <Nightrose> a bunch of udevd stuff
[20:36]  * jefferai would look there first
[20:36] <jefferai> it's possible it's a udev problem
[20:36] <jefferai> udev loading some module that is buggy on your system
[20:36] <jefferai> or things in conflict
[20:36] <Nightrose> ok it's lots of this:
[20:37] <jefferai> shadeslayer: does *buntu have a way to interrupt booting and step through each step one by one?
[20:37] <shadeslayer> jefferai: well... in my 2 years.. i have never seen such a thing :P
[20:37] <jefferai> Blech
[20:37] <jefferai> most linux distros have a way to do it :-(
[20:37] <Nightrose> udevd[298]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device
[20:37] <jefferai> hm -- probably ok
[20:38] <jefferai> *probably*
[20:38] <Nightrose> , in /etc/udev/rules.d/something
[20:38] <jefferai> shadeslayer: what would be nice is she could step through each serviec, waiting 30 seconds after each
[20:38] <jefferai> and that would help narrow it down to the particular service causing problem
[20:38] <jefferai> s
[20:38] <shadeslayer> ill get the info :)
[20:40] <Nightrose> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/578735 is from dfaure btw...
[20:41] <jefferai> it's from dfaure? :
[20:41] <jefferai> GdmLog: Error: command ['sudo', 'cat', '/var/log/gdm/:0.log'] failed with exit code 1: cat: /var/log/gdm/:0.log: No such file or directory
[20:41] <jefferai> GdmLog1: Error: command ['sudo', 'cat', '/var/log/gdm/:0.log.1'] failed with exit code 1: cat: /var/log/gdm/:0.log.1: No such file or directory
[20:41] <jefferai> GdmLog2: Error: command ['sudo', 'cat', '/var/log/gdm/:0.log.2'] failed with exit code 1: cat: /var/log/gdm/:0.log.2: No such file or directory
[20:41] <jefferai> :-(
[20:57] <shadeslayer> jefferai: #ubuntu-x
[20:57] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: poke
[20:57] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: is your email account working? :D
[21:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: new schedule at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep
[21:02] <shadeslayer> please have a look and advise.. 13th is after kde has been tagged and released
[21:05] <lex79> shadeslayer: so? :) I think usually they did a demostration of plasmoid packaging...but not sure
[21:05] <shadeslayer> lex79: ah ok.. well i was not sure ;)
[21:06] <shadeslayer> lex79: last time Riddell scheduled it,it was just after KDE was tagged
[21:06] <shadeslayer> the schedule on kubuntu.org ;)
[21:07] <lex79> yeah, I think they never did a demostration of "update a KDE release in Kubuntu"
[21:07] <lex79> just did small things
[21:07] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:08] <lex79> shadeslayer: btw you have only 1 hour session, not two days :D
[21:09] <shadeslayer> lex79: i know ;)
[21:09]  * shadeslayer is afraid he will overshoot
[21:09] <lex79> :)
[21:09] <shadeslayer> lex79: last time i gave a session in #ubuntu-classroom
[21:09] <shadeslayer> overshot by one hour -.-
[21:09] <lex79> ah I didn't know :)
[21:09] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:15] <ulysses> hm, first time I know why KTorrent disappeared… it crashed, and this is the first time I see a crash message:P
[21:15] <Quintasan> this is just stupid!
[21:16] <shadeslayer> ulysses: yeah
[21:16] <shadeslayer> ulysses: happens loads of times here
[21:16] <Quintasan> Project Neon checks out, creates tarball and applies debian changes but it fails to find the same changes file it created seconds ago
[21:16] <Quintasan> lol
[21:17] <ulysses> shadeslayer: uhm, load, another annoying thing… sometimes it goes up to 10!
[21:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i understood the code a bit...
[21:18] <shadeslayer> really need to read the book tho
[21:19] <shadeslayer> btw if anyone needs a ruby book,use http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Books/
[21:20] <shadeslayer> i found it after searching loads of sites :P
[21:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: the actual site is down
[21:33] <lumm> rc1 on 4.5 gives me a empty x window in my taskbar.. if i close it plasma crashes. how to avolid this behavoir, is this a known issue?
[21:40] <shadeslayer> lumm: happens to me with VLC
[21:41] <ulysses> same with konqueror if you watch a flash video on youtube
[21:42] <lex79> shadeslayer: that bug is gone with vlc 1.1.0
[21:42] <shadeslayer> w00t
[21:42]  * shadeslayer huggles lumm
[21:42] <shadeslayer> bah.. bad tab complete 
[21:42] <shadeslayer> well.. hugs for lex79 ;)
[21:42] <lex79> :)
[21:43]  * ulysses hugs lex79 also
[21:43] <lex79> :-*
[21:43] <ulysses> it was a bit „funny”, when I opened a webpage with full of flash videos… 13 little empty X windows…
[21:44] <shadeslayer> lex79: how does one reinstall all packages?
[21:44] <lex79> reinstall all packages? :(
[21:45] <shadeslayer> lex79: like with apt-get --reinstall install
[21:47] <shadeslayer> lex79: Nightrose has problems with the packaging now... X starts but is stuck at ksplash
[21:47] <lex79> uhm dunno :(
[21:48] <shadeslayer> :(
[21:48] <shadeslayer> im off to sleep :)
[21:48] <lex79> good night shadeslayer
[21:49] <shadeslayer> lex79: bye
[21:49] <lex79> bye :-*
[21:49]  * lex79 goes out for a bit
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[22:55] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ping
[23:15] <Riddell> jussi: pong
[23:15] <Riddell> Nightrose: any luck?
[23:15] <Nightrose> Riddell: nope :(
[23:15] <Nightrose> still broken
[23:15] <Nightrose> gave up for today pretty much
[23:16] <Nightrose> trying to get my slides done on the eepc...
[23:16] <Nightrose> or what i can get done there of it
[23:18] <Riddell> Nightrose: I guess I'd try a reinstall in such a situation, both of 10.04 and if the problem was still there of maverick alpha
[23:19] <Nightrose> i will do that but have 0 time for it before akademy :(
[23:19] <Nightrose> and after akademy i need to figure out where to put the data that is on the system atm
[23:19] <Nightrose> not enough space to backup
[23:19] <Nightrose> so i'd really really rather avoid it
[23:19] <Riddell> Nightrose: a reinstall won't wipe /home
[23:19] <Nightrose> i have no /home
[23:19] <Nightrose> ;-)
[23:20] <Nightrose> all on onepartition
[23:20] <Riddell> that's fine, it still won't wipe /home
[23:20] <Nightrose> ohhhhh that sounds interesting then...
[23:20] <Nightrose> how do i do that?
[23:21] <Riddell> as long as you do custom partioning don't tick the "format" box it'll wipe /usr and /etc and so forth but leave everything else
[23:21] <Nightrose> ok
[23:21] <Nightrose> so i need to get a cd..
[23:21] <Nightrose> and a way to burn it
[23:21] <Nightrose> mpfh
[23:22] <Riddell> Nightrose: or a usb disk
[23:24] <Nightrose> yea
[23:31]  * Riddell copies 4.4.5 from stating to updates
[23:40] <Riddell> fabo: I see qt mobility has a tar now, do you have plans to upload that to debian?
[23:40] <Riddell> asac: ^^
[23:57] <Riddell> do we want plasma-scriptengine-ruby in main?
[23:58] <Riddell> and indeed the rest of the ruby bindings stuff
[23:59] <lex79> uhm, what's the purpose to have that in main?