[03:19] <poolie> lifeless, the problem i'm talking about is that we rely on developers manually getting the Vary-equivalents right
[03:19] <lifeless> yes
[03:19] <poolie> in principle you could warn about using per-user data within something not marked as being per-user cached
[03:20] <lifeless> I agree
[03:20] <poolie> unless you have a good reason
[03:20] <lifeless> a simple language, with sane defaults
[03:20] <lifeless> and 'really public' is something you do explicitly
[03:20] <lifeless> having separate transactions would help here - we could in principle check you hadn't read the user id
[08:28] <RuediiX> Does anyone feel up to helping a newb out with sorting through the documentation of setting up a PPA?
[08:35] <tsimpson> what part are you having trouble with?
[09:01] <RuediiX> Well, I'm trying to get started.  I slowly starting to find my way around.
[09:03] <RuediiX> I think I'm getting a handle on it now.  A few more help buttons arround the interface would help.  I should probably add a todo-bug on the site project page about that one.
[09:55] <RuediiX> I need help registering a bzr branch.  I'm wanting to mirror it from an SVN versioning system . . .
[10:34] <jml> RuediiX, and... what do you need help with?
[10:35] <RuediiX> Well, I found the problem.  It seems it will only import from BZR the into the trunk branch.
[10:35] <RuediiX> I mean from non-BZR
[10:35] <jml> yes. that's right.
[10:35] <RuediiX> I guess I'll have to wait for the project maintainer to reply to my Blueprint request.
[10:37] <RuediiX> The guy's left the project abandoned for 2 years now, and has started working on another related project instead.
[10:38] <jml> I don't understand.
[10:41] <RuediiX> Oh, the person who took charge of making the Lauchpad mirror was using it for a now-abandoned translation, and left no public access to the code.
[10:42] <RuediiX> Search project kMuddy
[10:43] <RuediiX> The user is now working on Muddlet, a similar application.
[10:49] <RuediiX> Well I figure I'm just going to have to wait a few days for a reply.  I'll finish getting my account details filled in in the meantime.  If he doesn't want to work with others, I'll just form a kmuddy-packaging project.
[10:53] <RuediiX> jml, it seems there is nothing I can do for now, I don't want to create a duplicate project just for packaging and distribution-specific bug-tracking, when there is already one for translations, unless the person in charge of the translations doesn't want to work together.
[10:53] <jml> RuediiX, you can create a new branch in Launchpad that mirrors the svn trunk.
[10:53] <jml> RuediiX, it has nothing to do with whether the branch is the trunk on Launchpad
[10:54] <RuediiX> The problem is that the code is locked to the point that I can't create a main branch registered on the project.  The guy locked it down completely.  I can only make a "personal" branch, which doesn't support imports.
[10:59] <jml> uhh
[10:59] <jml> RuediiX, I don't think that's possible.
[10:59] <jml> RuediiX, what's the svn url?
[11:01] <RuediiX> I found it.
[11:02] <RuediiX> For some reason it defaulted to branch on the other page.
[11:04] <RuediiX> OK, it says pending review now.
[11:19] <jml> RuediiX, favoretti.net refuses anonymous svn connections
[11:19] <jml> jml@truth:~$ svn ls svn://anonsvn@favoretti.net/kmuddy
[11:19] <jml> svn: Can't connect to host 'favoretti.net': Connection refused
[11:20] <RuediiX> actually, it's probably down.  Their host has been down the past few hours.  I didn't test the SVN server.
[11:20] <RuediiX> yep, web server www.kmuddy.com is still down too.
[11:25] <RuediiX> I'll check why, but for some reason favoretti.net is up on http, though.  I'll check google.
[11:30] <Ddorda> hey, how do i revert a revision?
[11:30] <Ddorda> i can't find it documented anywhere
[11:35] <jml> Ddorda, you mean, you've committed something by mistake?
[11:35] <jml> Ddorda, was it the last commit in the branch?
[11:35] <Ddorda> jml: yes
[11:35] <Ddorda> on both :)
[11:35] <jml> Ddorda, "bzr uncommit"
[11:37] <Ddorda> jml: i'll try it
[11:41] <RuediiX> jml, I just realized something.  Last I checked, connections refused means you didn't even get to a login prompt.
[11:41] <jml> RuediiX, that's right.
[11:43] <Ddorda> jml: doesn;t work =\
[11:43] <jml> Ddorda, what do you mean "doesn't work"
[11:44] <Ddorda> jml: it does uncommit, but i can't push it
[11:44] <jml> Ddorda, "bzr push --overwrite"
[11:45] <Ddorda> jml: i'll try
[11:47] <RuediiX> jml, I'll retry when the main project's web server is back up.
[11:48] <Ddorda> jml: nvrm, i just started a new branch
[12:10] <RuediiX> jml, I'll try to see if KDE has their own mirror.
[12:33] <lindi-> "ubuntu-bug -p xterm" in lucid goes pretty smoothly until I get "No REFERER Header" from bugs.launchpad.net -- I'm somewhat lost on what to try next
[12:34] <lindi-> I'm connecting via squid proxy but I don't see anything in its configuration that'd block REFERER. I would have imagined hitting problems on other sites if this was the case
[12:35] <lindi-> any idea if my bug report was simply lost? or is there a way to see it? hitting back just goes to "Please describe the bug in a few words..." page
[12:36] <bdrung> why can't i change the status of this merge request: https://code.launchpad.net/~qense/ubuntu/karmic/wireless-crda/fix-336915/+merge/11250 ? i have the right to push to lp:ubuntu/karmic/wireless-crda (the merge target).
[12:36] <lindi-> oh and also, it's SSL, squid can't possibly be the problem
[12:37] <nigelb> bdrung: probably because reviewer isn't set
[12:38] <bdrung> and who can change it?
[12:39] <nigelb> wait, reviewer is set as main sponsors instead of the unified team
[12:39] <nigelb> bdrung: qense can do it (actually only he can do it)
[12:40] <nigelb> bdrung: just add a comment to set ~ubuntu-sponsors instead of ~ubuntu-main-sponsors as reviewers or poke him when you find him :)
[12:42] <wgrant> nigelb: But it's a merge into lp:ubuntu/karmic/wireless-crda, which bdrung has write access to by virtue of his core-dev membership.
[12:42] <wgrant> So it should be fine.
[12:42] <bdrung> wgrant: is it a bug then?
[12:42] <nigelb> wgrant: he needs to be set as reviewer right?
[12:43] <nigelb> bdrung: not bug, just mistake from qense for the initial part of it
[12:43] <wgrant> nigelb: The source branch shouldn't matter.
[12:43] <wgrant> It's the target that does.
[12:43] <nigelb> wgrant: he's trying to change status not merge it in I thought
[12:53] <sebi_`> hi, does launchpad have some sort of markup for small snippets of code in bugreports, etc? It's somewhat urgent. Help is very appreciated.
[12:54] <maxb> no, it does not
[12:54] <deryck> sebi_`, no, we don't support any markup in bugs.
[12:55] <deryck> sebi_`, certain text is linkified for you, though, i.e. bug numbers, http:// links, branch links, and so on.
[12:55] <sebi_`> alright
[13:48] <lindi-> managed to enable REFERER and to extract my bug report from firefox's memory with gdb ...
[13:57] <fta> my dailies are once again caught up in the traffic of the zillions test-rebuilds. meaning they have no chance to complete in their 24h cycle. should i just stop?
[13:59] <maxb> Aren't PPA builds supposed to be prioritized over copy archives?
[13:59] <wgrant> Yes.
[14:00] <wgrant> But this often proves to be insufficient.
[14:00] <fta> apparently not
[14:00] <wgrant> I'm not sure why, but possibly because process-upload sucks and is run synchronously by buildd-manager.
[14:00] <wgrant> So everything ends up getting somewhat behind.
[14:00] <fta> indeed
[14:01] <wgrant> The rebuilds are all -10 as expected.
[14:01] <wgrant> So it should simply be additional latency.
[14:02] <wgrant> Your builds will get priority, but it might just take a while for a slot to open up.
[14:03] <maxb> Where can you see the rebuild score?
[14:03] <fta> i watched 1 particular build, it was scheduled in 17h ~2h ago, it's now 19h
[14:03] <fta> so it keeps being pushed further away
[14:03] <wgrant> maxb: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20100628/+builds?build_state=pending
[14:06] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/1844245
[14:07] <fta> well, https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa/+builds
[14:08] <wgrant> Bug #155758 irks me at times like this.
[14:09] <wgrant> Hm, the rebuild archive builds are OOPSing.
[14:09] <wgrant> OOPS-1641EB2468
[14:14] <fta> when is 10.06 supposed to land?
[14:14] <wgrant> The 6th.
[14:18] <fta> hm :( 1 month with rejected uploads then (bug 589068)
[14:18] <fta> would it be possible to manually unbreak my 3 src packages like proposed in #11 ?
[14:18] <wgrant> Oh, they still haven't fixed that data?
[14:19] <fta> nope
[14:21]  * bigjools sighs heavily
[14:25] <fta> bigjools, i've been sighing heavily each morning in front of the rejects in my mailbox for nearly a month now :P
[14:25] <fta> but not here ;)
[14:26] <bigjools> bug 589068 I think
[14:27] <bigjools> I'll organise a cherry pick now that the release was pushed back
[14:28] <wgrant> bigjools: Isn't fixing the twelve rows of data simpler?
[14:28] <wgrant> It also removes a database inconsistency...
[14:28] <bigjools> I didn;'t know there was a data issue
[14:29] <bigjools> I've not been involved in the fix
[14:29] <wgrant> Ah.
[14:29] <bigjools> what's fucked?
[14:29] <wgrant> Well, there are something like 12 rows of broken data.
[14:29] <wgrant> Builds that were in the wild during the last rollout.
[14:29] <wgrant> The duration was calculated incorrectly.
[14:29] <bigjools> ok
[14:29] <wgrant> (well, more not calculated at all)
[14:29] <wgrant> The relevant data can be retrieved from the build logs simply.
[14:30] <bigjools> do you have a reliable way of determining which builds are affected?
[14:30] <bigjools> to save me some time
[14:31] <wgrant> I believe noodles775 had a query run. But it's the buildfarmjobs with a null date_started.
[14:31] <bigjools> ok
[14:33] <bigjools> wgrant: I see nearer 261k rows like that :/
[14:33] <bigjools> oh, crap, I need  a status
[14:34] <wgrant> Oops, yes, sorry.
[15:23] <fta> wgrant, my question remains.. should i just give up with my dailies and just stop everything?
[15:24] <fta> so bye bye chromium, firefox, thunderbird, gwibber, network-manager and all their friends?
[15:37] <bigjools> I'm going to disable the rebuild
[15:50] <bdrung> to come back to my problem (https://code.launchpad.net/~qense/ubuntu/karmic/wireless-crda/fix-336915/+merge/11250)
[15:51] <bdrung> qense can only set the status to 'Word in progress', 'Needs review' and 'Merged'. i can't change it at all. who can change the status to invalid (or similar)?
[17:12] <geser> bdrung: qense should have "Delete proposal to merge" in the right hand portlet, would that be sufficient?
[17:13] <bdrung> geser: that would be a possible solution, but then the whole review comments will be lost
[17:14] <geser> hmm, true
[17:21] <Alam> hi, need help regarding issue
[17:22] <Alam> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+question/94280
[17:23] <Alam> our translation team (punjabi) has no admin a/c working now, please help me
[17:24] <jkakar> Hi... I've been trying to upload a package to my PPA for days (since Friday)... I've tried 4 times with no success, it never enters the build queue.
[17:24] <jkakar> I noticed some comments about PPA issues... are they resolved?  I tried again about 30 minutes ago and the builds still aren't appearing on the +builds screen.
[17:27] <geser> jkakar: do you get a mail about your upload being accepted (or rejected)?
[17:29] <jkakar> geser: Good question.
[17:29] <jkakar> geser: I do but it was filtered and it was clearly my fault.  Thanks for the suggestion.
[17:30] <jkakar> Bugs are almost always PEBKAC. :)
[17:31] <jcastro> abentley: had a chat with daniel, and I did this, thoughts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyBuilds/NamingConvention
[17:37] <abentley> jcastro, I don't understand recommendation 1.
[17:38] <abentley> jcastro, also, do you want to propose a naming convention for the actual recipes?
[17:38] <jcastro> abentley: I don't think alot of people know that projects have an lp page just sitting there, even if no one is using it
[17:39] <jcastro> abentley: I don't know if it would be useful for recipes, but we should discuss that
[17:39] <abentley> jcastro, Okay, but ppas and recipes are owned by teams, not projects, so we can't use the project namespace.
[17:40] <jcastro> yeah but we have project pages owned by registry, etc, I guess what I want to say there is make a team and then also take over the project page.
[17:40]  * jcastro will redo that
[17:41] <abentley> jcastro, cool.
[17:41] <abentley> As for naming recipes, I don't know if a convention is useful or not.
[17:42] <abentley> jcastro, You'll have multiple recipes per ppa (e.g. bzr's dailies include bzrtools and bzr-svn), and the recipes may apply to multiple distroseries.
[17:44] <abentley> jcastro, I guess the names of the recipes are important to 1) the owner, 2) people who want to create new recipes based on existing ones.
[17:44] <jcastro> yeah, also, if we want to do it, better to play it safe and tell people now
[17:44] <jcastro> before we have 500 of these things
[17:47] <abentley> jcastro, so I guess the title of the page made me think it was about naming recipes, but I don't actually think we need a convention for naming recipes.
[17:47] <jcastro> heh ok
[17:52] <dhastha> This is Dhastha from India. Am going to do mini project for my college. I decided to do project for launchpad translation. Can anyone help me?
[17:52] <henninge> dhastha: do you have a specific question or are you looking for general help?
[17:53] <dhastha> henninge, general help
[17:53] <henninge> dhastha: There is a guide on the wiki:
[17:53] <henninge> https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject
[17:53] <henninge> dhastha: you should start there and also be familiar with gettext terms.
[17:54] <henninge> s/be/become/
[17:55] <dhastha> henninge, thank you.
[18:00] <dhastha> henninge, As a student how can i contribute with launchpad. can u tell me some project ideas like "Full API for launchpad translation"?
[18:00] <henninge> dhastha: oh, thanks for your interest in that ;)
[18:01] <henninge> dhastha: it may be best to start by fixing small bugs so that you become familiar with the code base.
[18:02] <henninge> dhastha: Ideally those are bugs that bother you in your daily work with Launchpad.
[18:02] <henninge> ;-)
[18:02] <dpm> dhastha, oh, glad to hear you'd be interested in that! As henninge says, it's best to start step by step, but once you're into the development process and codebase, here are some cool ideas to work on for Launchpad translations:
[18:02] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2010/Ideas#Package%20set%20views%20in%20Launchpad%20Translations
[18:03] <dpm> These are bigger projects, though
[18:03] <henninge> yes, they are ;)
[18:06] <henninge> dhastha: you can also look at our bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta
[18:06] <henninge> dhastha: here is a trivial one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/440406
[18:07] <henninge> dhastha: you need to read up on https://dev.launchpa.net/ about how to hack on Launchpad.
[18:07] <henninge> dhastha: and discussion takes place in #launchpad-dev and the launchpad-dev mailing list.
[18:09] <henninge> dhastha: I have to go now but you can come back anytime with questions, best asked on the channel and mailing list I mentioned.
[18:10] <dhastha> henninge, thank you so much. I will back with question. thank you once again
[18:51] <bartbes> I just heard the packages in my ppa appear to be unsigned, is there anything I need to do to sign them?
[18:53] <tsimpson> which ppa?
[18:54] <bartbes> https://launchpad.net/~bartbes/+archive/love-stable
[18:55] <bartbes> the help pages briefly mention something about keys and it says there should be instructions
[18:55] <bartbes> so either I'm blind or there are no instructions
[18:55] <bartbes> or are that the instructions for ppa users?
[18:55] <bartbes> *those
[18:57] <tsimpson> there is a "Read about installing" link under "Add this PPA to your system" header
[18:57] <tsimpson> and, afaiks, the packages are signed
[18:58] <bartbes> do I need to add the key to my account?
[18:58] <geser> to apt (if you want to use your PPA (or any other PPA))
[18:58] <tsimpson> it's all done with one command
[18:58] <tsimpson> see https://edge.launchpad.net/+help/soyuz/ppa-sources-list.html
[18:58] <tsimpson> (which is where the link I mentioned points to)
[18:59] <bartbes> I know that
[18:59] <bartbes> I mean as the owner of the ppa
[18:59] <tsimpson> no, you sign the source with your key when you upload
[18:59] <tsimpson> it's a different key for the active
[18:59] <tsimpson> *archive
[18:59] <bartbes> right, that makes sense
[19:00] <bartbes> so without adding that ppa key to my account people who use apt-add-repository are told my packages are verified, right?
[19:01] <tsimpson> yes, it adds the archive key to apt and apt sees it's verified
[19:01] <geser> right, apt-add-repository fetches the key LP generated for your PPA and adds it to the apt key store
[19:02] <bartbes> okay, then I was right, and the one telling me I failed was the one who failed
[19:04] <bartbes> thanks guys
[19:27] <Z-RAY_> after amateur tries to update MLT to 0.5.6 i have left without ffmpeg modules and even ffpmeg is installed, kdenlive says that some not installed at all. also it says that some sound module is not installed. i spent all day to make "lines and dots" bug dissappear (white lines and dots - was promised to be fixed in MLT 0.5.5) and i couldn't make it, even worse - now modules "avformat module", "Quimage module", "Title module" are missing and reinstalling of
[19:27] <Z-RAY_>  the program and ffmpeg does not helping.
[19:27] <Z-RAY_> help me please to make this thing work correctly. my skype is "woanerges", or write me here. please, bro's, come on, i need some support here!
[19:27] <Z-RAY_> white dots and lines examples:
[19:27] <Z-RAY_> http://kdenlive.org/sites/default/files/shot1_0.png
[19:27] <Z-RAY_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrFXr_bx2a0
[19:30] <tsimpson> Z-RAY_: this is not Ubuntu support
[19:32] <Z-RAY_> >_<
[19:32] <Z-RAY_> ok.....
[19:32] <Z-RAY_> i understand
[19:32] <Z-RAY_> don't push
[21:01] <fta> OOPS-1641ED3768
[21:08] <SEJeff> Hey guys, one of your django apps is busted
[21:08] <SEJeff> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/ :D
[21:10] <SEJeff> Someone here hopefully knows the canonical people to set debug=False or to restrict that
[21:12] <BlackZ> SEJeff: mail webmaster@ubuntu.com or webmaster@canonical.com thanks
[21:13] <SEJeff> I don't work for canonical, but thought someone here might want them to know
[21:13] <BlackZ> SEJeff: you don't need to work for canonical to send a report/info ;)
[21:13] <SEJeff> But that is more effort than telling someone who might care via IRC :)
[21:13] <SEJeff> I don't care enough to email them
[21:14] <SEJeff> It is just a bit amateurish and I thought you should know
[21:24] <mneptok> SEJeff: i'll report it to the person that wrote the app.
[21:25] <SEJeff> Thanks
[21:26] <mneptok> SEJeff: where did you find that URL?
[21:27] <SEJeff> mneptok, Someone in #django clicked through to it
[21:27] <mneptok> SEJeff: someone in #django has too much free time
[21:28] <SEJeff> Agreed
[21:28] <cr3> SEJeff: I'm very interested to troubleshoot this problem, who should I ask in #django?
[21:28] <SEJeff> sorl_
[21:29] <mneptok> SEJeff: also, nice to share multiple networks with you ;)
[21:29] <SEJeff> mneptok, As well fellow gnomey :)
[21:30] <SEJeff> Sorry I'm just doing a bunch of things at once and have too much going on to email right now
[21:59] <micahg> ~50 bugs to go until 600k on lp \o/
[21:59] <cr3> SEJeff: thanks for the info about webapps.ubuntu.com, it'll be fixed soonish :)
[22:00] <SEJeff> cr3, No prob. It was amusing that you (canonical) use django for more than the ubuntu one stuff
[22:00]  * SEJeff does a bit of django