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thorwilmorning!07:24
ubuntujenkinsmorning08:57
thorwilmorning ubuntujenkins09:02
ubuntujenkinshey thorwil09:02
thorwili wonder why communication regarding the german version with Daniel Schury works so badly09:04
nisshhthorwil: has anyone noticed that he has asked about it like 3 times now?09:04
thorwilnisshh: sure. he's aware of that, himself09:05
ubuntujenkinsthorwil: kevin and i worked out some more stuff that needs doing last night I am going to send a reply today09:06
thorwilubuntujenkins: good. be sure to send to both list and his address09:07
ubuntujenkinswill do09:07
ubuntujenkinsthorwil: is the word index the same in german and english?09:20
thorwilubuntujenkins: yes, but depending on context, a synonym can be preferable09:21
ubuntujenkinsin the manual it is index for the title of the index. What would better?09:22
thorwilubuntujenkins: for the index of terms: Stichwortverzeichnis09:23
ubuntujenkinswow could there be a longer word? I will change it to that09:24
thorwilliterally keyword-directory09:24
thorwilyeah, german has a tendency for long and complicated terms09:26
ubuntujenkinsthanks09:27
ubuntujenkinse-mail sent09:29
thorwilubuntujenkins: title page = Titelblatt (cover or front page would be Titelseite09:41
thorwilcolophon = Kolophon09:41
thorwilCreative Commons notice = Creative Commons Hinweis09:42
ubuntujenkinsthanks thorwil09:49
ubuntujenkinsubuntu devloper week next month09:50
ubuntujenkinsthorwil: which is a better translation ? Creative Commons notice = Creative Commons Hinweis or Creative Commons notice = Creative Commons Notice which has just been sent on the list13:55
thorwilubuntujenkins: Hinweis. while Creative Commons as a name shouldn't be translated, it's silly to not translate "notice"13:57
ubuntujenkinsthats what i thought it looks like a few corners are getting cut13:58
ubuntujenkinsi will make sure your version is used13:58
thorwilubuntujenkins: for Colophon, both "Kolophon" and "Schlussschrift" are correct. they are both not exactly widely known terms :)  i like the look and sound of "Kolophon" better13:59
* thorwil -> coffee14:00
ubuntujenkinsok thanks :)14:00
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godbyk-androidThe next presentation is titled "On-Demand  Creation of Documents Online"18:47
godbyk-androidMight be a bit relevant.18:48
ubuntujenkinshey godbyk-android later today/tonight when you have a moment tonight cna you talk me though what I need to do to help the german editon on its way. I need to do some phone calls and bits and bobs now18:50
godbyk-androidSure thing.18:50
godbyk-androidAlso all of these talks are being recorded, so they should be online in a week or two.18:52
thorwilgodbyk-android: does that session handle creation of driver licenses and international passports? :)18:53
godbyk-androidHeh, we'll find out when  it starts18:55
godbyk-androidThat might be streaming live18:55
godbyk-androidTry river-valley.tv18:56
thorwilnah, gotta try to do a little work done :)18:56
thorwilget, even18:57
godbyk-androidU don't see a live stream anyway. Sorry.18:59
godbyk-androidAha. These are the pedigree folks.. They use latex to create medical pedigrees.19:15
Z-RAY_after amateur tries to update MLT to 0.5.6 i have left without ffmpeg modules and even ffpmeg is installed, kdenlive says that some not installed at all. also it says that some sound module is not installed. i spent all day to make "lines and dots" bug dissappear (white lines and dots - was promised to be fixed in MLT 0.5.5) and i couldn't make it, even worse - now modules "avformat module", "Quimage module", "Title module" are missing and reinstallin19:31
Z-RAY_g of the program and ffmpeg does not helping.19:31
Z-RAY_help me please to make this thing work correctly. my skype is "woanerges", or write me here. please, bro's, come on, i need some support here!19:31
Z-RAY_white dots and lines examples:19:31
Z-RAY_http://kdenlive.org/sites/default/files/shot1_0.png19:31
Z-RAY_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrFXr_bx2a019:31
godbyk-androidHello, Z-RAY_. I'm afraid we can't provide support in this channel. You might try asking in #ubuntu.19:33
vishgodbyk-android: hmm , he just spammed a lot of channels and might have been set on mode -q   :s19:35
vishwell , maybe not here ;p19:35
godbyk-androidvish: Ah. Fun.19:36
Z-RAY_sorry guys19:38
Z-RAY_just everything is so silent19:39
Z-RAY_kde forums - silence, ubuntuforums - silence, kdenlive forums - silence19:39
vishZ-RAY_: try asking in #ubuntu or maybe posting in the forums will help?19:39
vishoh!19:39
vishZ-RAY_: tried #kubuntu?19:40
Z-RAY_yes19:40
vishhrm , well , its times like these when it seems like ubuntu sucks :/19:41
vishZ-RAY_: hehe , if all else fails re-install , not a word we like to see though;p19:41
godbyk-androidZ-RAY_:  If you think it's a bug, you might file a report through launchpad.19:42
Z-RAY_:(19:42
Z-RAY_i spent all day to make my video clip19:42
Z-RAY_worked so hard19:42
Z-RAY_and now i can't render my project19:42
godbyk-androidThat sucks.19:44
vishZ-RAY_: you really cant expect an answer within one day of posting your questions/problems on forums ;)  ..19:44
Z-RAY_yeah19:45
vishsometimes you get replies , sometimes it takes time19:45
godbyk-androidThat's true, it does take time to investigate the problem and find a solution.19:45
Z-RAY_i've posted a bug about LCD backlight problem19:45
Z-RAY_more than week ago19:45
Z-RAY_or two weeks19:45
Z-RAY_i'm updating it everyday19:45
Z-RAY_but still no answer19:46
Z-RAY_thats how they "working on ubuntu to make it better"19:46
Z-RAY_i can't control intensivity of my LCD backlight on my laptop and this is a serious problem, but on ubuntu no one cares of that (looks like)19:47
Z-RAY_who knows - maybe i'm not right19:47
zkriesseZ-RAY_: once again, we don't provide support in this channel. please join #ubuntu19:48
zkriesseand have patience19:48
godbyk-androidIt think they care, but some problems are not as easy too did as one might assumes19:48
godbyk-androidassume, rather.19:48
Z-RAY_i do have patience, my friend19:49
Z-RAY_(=19:49
Z-RAY_sorry, if i made you angry, zkriesse19:49
zkriesseya didn't make me angry19:50
zkriessejust trying to help you not get in trouble19:50
godbyk-androidIt is also difficult typo did a bug when you (as the programmer) don't experience it yourself.19:50
zkriessegodbyk-android: agreed19:50
godbyk-androidtypo -> to fix19:50
vishZ-RAY_: also , your problem is too specific for many to have faced or even know about..19:51
vish(white lines and dots problem)19:52
Z-RAY_ok..19:55
Z-RAY_lines and dots problem :D19:55
Z-RAY_lines and dots problem is very similar to round stars and bicubic bubbles problem19:56
ubuntujenkinsZ-RAY_: as you have been quitened on #ubuntu can i suggest you rejoin and ask your question in one line and one use of the send button. Then hopefully the floodbot will not "quiten" you19:58
ubuntujenkins:)19:58
Z-RAY_i'm not hacker19:59
Z-RAY_i don't understand what you mean19:59
vishubuntujenkins: why you confusing the poor chap .. ;p20:01
ubuntujenkinswell you posted your question in six separate posts. the bot then thinks you are a hacker or a filling the channel with to much and makes it so that your posts are not seen. You need to use a different name as far as i know to avoid the bots. You then need to ask something like " I have tried to update MLT to 0.5.6 however......does any one know anything about this? I have examples if anyone wants to see them20:02
ubuntujenkinsvish: I am trying to help :P I do tend to sonfuse people more though20:02
vishubuntujenkins: i was j/k ;p20:03
ubuntujenkinsI know :P20:03
thorwilubuntujenkins: sonfuse? now i'm confused ;)20:03
vishdaughterfused!20:03
Z-RAY_jenkins20:10
Z-RAY_thanks20:10
Z-RAY_you are right20:10
Z-RAY_that's how it must work20:10
Z-RAY_thanx so much for tips20:11
ubuntujenkins no problem have fun and good luck finding a fix20:13
Z-RAY_yeah20:13
Z-RAY_good luck finding a chicks20:13
Z-RAY_chix20:14
vishargh!20:22
ubuntujenkinswhat vish?20:22
vishubuntujenkins: well , his response didnt seem friendly though we have been patient with him!20:23
Z-RAY_:(20:27
Z-RAY_now what?20:27
Z-RAY_you will make me feel pain?20:28
Z-RAY_thank you my friends for trying to help!!20:28
Z-RAY_now it's good?20:28
vishZ-RAY_: you may not be a native english speaker , but saying things like  " <Z-RAY_> good luck finding a chicks"20:28
vishis not polite ;)20:28
Z-RAY_why?20:29
Z-RAY_dorry - i didn't knew you are gay20:29
Z-RAY_it's ok20:29
Z-RAY_don't worry20:29
Z-RAY_i understand you20:29
vishlol!20:29
zkriesseZ-RAY_: One, completely off topic, and two, we're or they are trying to help you.20:29
vishZ-RAY_: you are one adorable chap aernt you ;)20:29
zkriesseThe saying, "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" applies here as well20:30
Z-RAY_don't feed the hand, that spanks yooou20:30
vishZ-RAY_: i think we have had enough of you .. you may leave20:31
Z-RAY_how can you think for all those people? are you god?20:32
vishjussi: around?20:32
Z-RAY_nope20:33
Z-RAY_only you20:33
jussivish: no :P20:33
jussioh, we have the pleasure of Z-RAY_'s company.20:33
Z-RAY_now you will call your friends to say collectively that some one human is bad?20:33
Z-RAY_like you are sinless20:34
Z-RAY_we all are 50% good and 50% bad20:34
ubuntujenkinsthank you jussi20:34
* pleia2 hugs jussi 20:34
jussiZ-RAY_: please remember to follow the guidelines20:35
ubuntujenkinswe all do i need to sort out getting ops here20:35
vishyay jussi20:35
ubuntujenkinsI had the command ready to go just needed op for a bot :(20:35
* ubuntujenkins e-mails humphreybc20:35
jussiI can get it sorted20:36
jussibut Id rather humphreybc did it20:36
ubuntujenkinsok cool if he does not know how to do it i will ping you if thats ok20:37
ubuntujenkinswith him here to tell you its ok20:37
jussiubuntujenkins: yeah, just get him to name some people20:40
ubuntujenkinsjussi we have ops but none are here atm :(20:41
jussiubuntujenkins: then you need more :) (I saw the access list)20:41
vishubuntujenkins: did we forget to ping godbyk ..20:43
ubuntujenkinsno i pm'd him20:45
vishah, yeah you mentioned :)20:45
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ubuntujenkinsc7p: ping22:34
c7pubuntujenkins: hey22:35
ubuntujenkinshey c7p i jsut wanted to ask how the greek edition was going?22:35
c7pwell it's almost finished22:36
c7pi can't do anything else by myself, so we are waiting kevin for the final arrangements22:37
brandonjanybody else get a spam email via the mailing list?22:38
ubuntujenkinswhat are we missing now then?22:38
ubuntujenkinsbrandonj: such as?22:38
ubuntujenkinsnot me as far as i can tell22:38
ubuntujenkinswow i am lagging tonight22:39
zkriessebrandonj: the pretty store thing?22:39
zkriessebrandonj: yeah i got it22:39
brandonjyeah, thats the one22:39
ubuntujenkinsI had 5 e-mails today, one yesterday and five the day before22:40
brandonjthis one just came in a few minutes ago22:40
ubuntujenkinslet me just refresh evolution22:42
zkriesseubuntujenkins: EVOLUTION?!?!?!!??!?! WTF?!?!?! use thunderbird22:42
brandonjgmail...22:42
zkriesselol22:42
c7pubuntujenkins: the issues that should deal with are 1) warnings (kevin will ensure that everything is ok) 2)glossary entries reference number (topo fixed it but I don't know if Kevin approved his method)22:42
ubuntujenkinsI have not used thunderbird in a while does it give nice bubbles when you get messages?22:43
zkriessewell...22:43
zkriessethunderbird is more business than play22:43
ubuntujenkinsc7p: I spoke to kevin about warnings I wonder if i can find the logs or if we pm'd for some reason22:44
c7p"pm'd" ?22:45
ubuntujenkinsprivate message. I think we were talking about something else and then got onto the warnings22:46
ubuntujenkinszkriesse: is there a thunderbird ppa?22:46
zkriesseubuntujenkins: 10.04 'buntu?22:47
zkriesseif so it's in the software center22:47
c7pubuntujenkins: oh yes, but what?22:47
ubuntujenkinsas for the spam it hit google mails spam filter i know who that is so i will chat with them i guess their password has been hacked22:47
ubuntujenkinsor they gave a website to much info22:48
ubuntujenkinszkriesse: for a more uptodat one22:48
ubuntujenkinsc7p: i am just waiting for my itnernet to catch up22:48
zkriesseubuntujenkins: ah that should be the most recent available22:48
c7pubuntujenkins: don't worry I'll find the logs22:49
ubuntujenkinsc7p: check out http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/elerrors22:49
ubuntujenkinskevin has commented on them all22:49
ubuntujenkinsc7p: do we know how topo fixed the the glossary stuff?22:51
c7pnice thx22:51
c7pyes he altered manually some files22:51
ubuntujenkinsgodbyk-android: ping22:52
ubuntujenkinsdo we know which ones?22:52
c7plet me check his mail22:54
ubuntujenkinsthat way i can check with kevin when i next talk to him22:55
c7phe changed some .glo and gls files22:56
c7pi am requesting this files and when I receive them I'll send them to you22:57
ubuntujenkinsthanks c7p I will see what we can do22:57
c7pbtw I think topo finished the job :P22:58
ubuntujenkinshehe22:58
ubuntujenkinsyea i just want to look to see what he has done thats all.22:59
ubuntujenkinsmy only concern is that stuff is auto generated iirc and i don't know how it is effected when building23:00
c7pyes offcourse this is the way things should go23:01
c7phave you fixed the Japanese index bug on your system ?23:02
ubuntujenkinsno not yet and a really don't want to have to download the old way. I have a download limit at home23:02
c7p:/ that sux23:03
c7pitalic numerals are i, ii, iii, iv ... etc ?23:03
ubuntujenkinsbrandonj: was that the only spam you were asking about or are there others?23:03
brandonjubuntujenkins: no, that was the only one I've gotten23:04
ubuntujenkinsc7p: erm i thought italic was text at a slant23:04
brandonjroman numerals are i, ii, iii, etc23:04
ubuntujenkinsbrandonj: cool, hopefully that will be the first and last of it23:04
c7pok23:04
ubuntujenkinsyea thats it roman numerals. brain balnk for amoment23:05
c7pso we have to locate italic numerals on official Ubuntu Manual (english) and then see if everything looks fine on the Greek one, right ?23:09
ubuntujenkinsc7p: i don't know what an italic numeral is appaerntly they are real. and not a number that is slanted23:12
ubuntujenkinsc7p: look at error 2 that might be what we need to do to fix the glossary23:13
ubuntujenkinsI am googling italic numerals23:14
godbyk-androidItalic numeral us just a slanted numeral.23:14
ubuntujenkinshey godbyk-android23:15
godbyk-androidEdited the glossary files is general nit the best  route as they get regenerated all the time.23:15
ubuntujenkinswell that does make sense then23:15
ubuntujenkinswow our latest team member is Ubuntu Yemen LoCo Team23:16
zkriesseubuntujenkins: cool23:16
zkriessehmm23:17
ubuntujenkinsthats what i figured kevin23:19
c7pubuntujenkins: all the references have already been checked and the bugs have been submitted :)23:20
ubuntujenkinsok so we have very little left to do. italic numerals and re run xelatex a few times23:21
c7poh yes :D23:21
c7pwhich is the whole command (:D) ?23:22
ubuntujenkinsgodbyk-android: I can't do it as i still have my bug, cam you run those commands when you have time23:24
zkriessehello rickspencer323:25
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c7phey topo :P23:27
Guest57355hey c7p23:27
Guest57355i just answered to your email23:27
c7pyap i checked23:29
c7pit23:29
Guest57355keep a backup if your going to try yourself :P23:31
c7psure :D23:32
c7pubuntujenkins: how do you select your url on http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ ? e.g (http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/translationtodo)23:34
ubuntujenkinsc7p: just type what you want it to be and then if it is free it will give you a create pad page23:35
c7pok thx23:35
c7pubuntujenkins: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/YknjBKBNG823:44
ubuntujenkinswow thats simple :P23:45
ubuntujenkinsI will have ago in the morning23:45
c7pubuntujenkins: could you submit for me the ubnntu-manual-el.tex file to the lucid-e1 branch ?23:47
ubuntujenkinsi will mail it you I have the one from kevin23:48
c7pI have many conflicts and i can't deal with it, bazzar doesn't approve experiments on lucid-e1 folder :P23:48
c7pi have corrected some translations and removed the extra page (actually topo did)23:48
ubuntujenkinssent23:49
c7pokey thx23:50
c7pfrom what i see the page is removed from kevin's tex file23:53
c7pthe files only differ on the colophon where I corrected the translations23:54
ubuntujenkinscoll, just e-mail kevin and i the new one23:55
ubuntujenkins*cool23:55
c7pokey23:55
c7pi have to go to sleep :) it's 2:00 here ... g' night all23:56
c7pcu tomorrow :)23:56
ubuntujenkinsnigh c7p23:57

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