[01:22] <Lantizia> Laaa la laa please build TB3.1 laaaa la alala alaalaal laaa
[01:22] <Lantizia> laaa
[03:01] <bobby_> So... Anyone know a date for 4.0 Beta 1?
[04:24] <ddecator> Lantizia: we're backed up because the team is basically 2-3 people and the backporting of firefox is a lot of work. once that's done, tb 3.1 is high on the list
[04:25] <micahg> ddecator: FF3.7 rename just got bumped :)
[04:25] <ddecator> micahg: finally :D
[04:25] <micahg> ddecator: you want to try to do it?
[04:25] <ddecator> micahg: what all does it entail?
[04:26] <micahg> ddecator: basically, any of the packaging that says 3.7 becomes 4.0 for Firefox and Xulrunner 1.9.3 becomes 2.0.0
[04:26] <micahg> or just 2.0
[04:26] <micahg> no, 2.0.0
[04:26] <micahg> no, 2.0 :)
[04:26] <ddecator> :p
[04:26] <ddecator> micahg: yah, i can give that a shot
[04:27] <micahg> ddecator: document in the changelog what you change
[04:27] <ddecator> micahg: should i just do an entry for "bump up to 4.0" then list the files changed under it?
[04:28] <micahg> ddecator: no, just change the source package name to firefox-4.0 and cahnge the version
[04:30] <ddecator> micahg: in the main line you mean? right, i mean should i have a "* Version bump to 4.0" or something like that then list what files i updated under it? "- update debian/rules" etc.
[04:31] <micahg> ddecator: in the commit comment you can say that, but in the changelog, it doesn't need it
[04:32] <micahg> ddecator: take a look at how fta did the changelog for the 3.7 bump
[04:32] <ddecator> micahg: good point :)
[04:32] <ddecator> micahg: i'll start working on that
[04:33] <micahg> ddecator: great, thanks, it'll probably break tonight
[04:33] <ddecator> micahg: right. so the package name will stay -3.7 or does that need to change too?
[04:34] <micahg> ddecator: no, change it to 4.0 and add a Replaces: firefox-3.7 in each of the binary packages in control
[04:35] <micahg> ddecator: Replaces: firefox-3.7*  <--- whatever the binary is -dbg, -gnome-support
[04:35] <ddecator> micahg: ok, i think i get it. i'll do that first so i can have you check it for me
[04:35] <micahg> ddecator: nah, that's easy, just add a commit at the end for it
[04:36] <ddecator> micahg: k
[04:40] <ddecator> ah, good, all of the changes from 3.6 -> 3.7 are right on loggerhead so i have a good reference :)
[04:43] <ddecator> micahg: what should i do with the abrowser listings in /control? do those get bumped up to 4.0 too?
[04:43] <micahg> ddecator: yep, same thing
[04:44] <ddecator> micahg: k
[04:54] <micahg> ddecator: tomorrow night will break :)
[04:54] <ddecator> micahg: ?
[04:54] <micahg> ddecator: tonight's upload was fine
[04:54] <ddecator> micahg: ah, gotcha :)
[04:56] <ddecator> micahg: btw, should i take care of xr1.9.3 -> xr2.0 or are you going to do that?
[04:56] <micahg> ddecator: please take care of it if you can, I have a lot going on
[04:56] <ddecator> micahg: sure thing :)
[04:56] <ddecator> that's why i asked
[04:57] <micahg> ddecator: thanks
[05:11] <ddecator> micahg: ok, firefox-3.7-shiretoko.desktop, do we have a 4.0 name that i can change that to?
[05:12] <micahg> ddecator: I don't know if there is one yet
[05:13] <ddecator> micahg: what should i do with that file?
[05:13] <micahg> ddecator: you can change to 4.0, but there's no codename yet AFAIK
[05:14] <ddecator> micahg: k, thanks
[05:33] <ddecator> micahg: ok, and what is the xulrunner branch? there is no lp:xulrunner...so do i have to pull xulrunner-1.9.3 and work with that?
[05:33] <micahg> ddecator: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.3.head
[05:33] <ddecator> micahg: thanks
[05:33] <micahg> ddecator: I have to get asac to change the owner to Mozilla Team :)
[06:20] <ddecator> xr2.0 is already b2? huh..
[06:23] <micahg> ddecator: b1 was tagged tonight
[06:23] <ddecator> micahg: ah :)
[06:35] <ddecator> woot, looks like the patches still apply
[06:36] <micahg> ddecator: same branch :)
[06:36] <ddecator> micahg: yah, just wasn't sure. when sb jumped up to 2.0 they made a bunch of other changes at the same time, wasn't sure if i'd have a repeat of that :p
[06:38] <ddecator> micahg: ...i just realized something. should xr2.0 replace xr1.9.3? idk if anything else uses 1.9.3
[06:38] <micahg> ddecator: yes
[06:38] <ddecator> micahg: ok, good, that's how i set it up :p
[08:51] <ddecator> oh, FF 4 has taller tabs...
[08:53] <ddecator> ah, there we go..
[08:53] <ddecator> disabled all of my add-ons :(
[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[09:04] <ddecator> morning BUGabundo_remote
[09:24] <ddecator> i really hope "Mozilla Developer Preview" doesn't stick as the name for the FF 4 beta..
[10:46] <asac> chrisccoulson: boing
[10:46] <asac> chrisccoulson: sorry for the pain england had to endure :-P
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> hi asac ;)
[10:46] <asac> chrisccoulson: on maverick ffox 3.6 daily or something is really hanging a lot
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> we deserved it really, england were pretty terrible
[10:46] <asac> chrisccoulson: maybe a bad sqlite version?
[10:47] <asac> chrisccoulson: yeah. well. it was a big mistake that we even got in the situation where someone could claim that 2:2 would have made a difference (could be!)
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> asac - thanks. i'll take a look when i get the chance. i don't notice these things as i'm not running maverick yet ;)
[10:47] <asac> e.g. at that time england was really good
[10:47] <asac> chrisccoulson: yeah. just wanted to let you know. its really terrible ;)
[10:48] <asac> every few operations it hangs hard ... ghosting etc.
[10:48] <chrisccoulson> asac - and thats just affecting the dailies? (ie, not the in-archive version)
[10:48] <asac> then continuing. not only while loading, but also while typing in gmail etc.
[10:48] <asac> chrisccoulson: i assume its also a problem in the archive version. let me see
[10:48] <chrisccoulson> ok, thanks
[10:48] <chrisccoulson> i need to hurry up and finish this backporting work, so i can upgrade to maverick ;)
[10:48] <chrisccoulson> i can't really afford any down-time atm though
[10:49] <asac> ack
[10:49] <asac> its not a big problem (if you dont see it in lucid ;))
[10:50] <chrisccoulson> i'm stil trying to figure out why epiphany doesn't shut down properly any more in hardy :-/
[10:52] <chrisccoulson> wow, we have some rain!
[10:58] <asac> chrisccoulson: i think epiphany had crash bugs on window close in hardy anyway before ;)
[10:58] <asac> but usually it means that some thread is kept alive etc.
[10:58] <asac> or even the mainloop ;)
[10:58] <asac> i know that is not really helpful ... but still :-P
[11:02] <asac> shame on me ... i didnt even have the security ppa enabled ;)
[11:03] <asac> chrisccoulson: oh ... if upstream is out you can always push to maverick to get more exposoure
[11:03] <asac> even if staging takes a bit longer ... at least thats what i usually did ;)
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, i uploaded 3.6.6 to maverick yesterday
[11:05] <asac> ok. so my apt cache was too old ;)
[11:05] <asac> oh there is no maverick in security ppa?
[11:06] <asac> ok got 3.6.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[12:02] <Dimmuxx> will firefox 4.0b1 build1 be built in any of the ppas?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> it will be but right now we havent changed the versioning of 3.7. 3.7==4.0
[12:04] <gnomefreak> right now 3.6 is #1 on the list of things to do
[12:04] <gnomefreak> Dimmuxx: you are best off posting to our mailing list
[12:04] <gnomefreak> or wait for Micah
[12:05] <Dimmuxx> okay will do
[12:53] <gnomefreak> finally got around to fixing my jabber account
[12:59] <fta> amd64	13	 9455 jobs (four days)
[12:59] <fta> i386	14	 17437 jobs (five days)
[12:59] <fta> *sigh* another full test rebuild :(
[13:01] <asac> those are usually having really low prio
[13:02] <fta> asac, my ch builds are scheduled to start in 19h
[13:03] <fta> so bye-bye the dailies
[13:03] <asac> fta: wait a bit. the scheduler is a bit confused most likely
[13:03] <asac> just see what happens ;)
[13:04] <asac> i assume normal uploads will go first ... maybe they said 3 bulders or so get the rebuild now or something
[13:04] <asac> if they did anything at all to speed those builds up
[13:10] <asac> my build is also waiting :(
[13:10] <asac> and it was an important one ;)
[13:16] <gnomefreak> tb has a mind of its own. the editor loaded without an address field so i know i didnt click anything for it and tb is not loaded just that one window
[14:15] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I plan to release lucid and hardy within a couple/few hours (more testing). is that still ok? what is going on with epiphany?
[14:18] <ddecator> Dimmuxx: i made the changes from 3.7 -> 4.0 last night, i just need to get everything setup the right way so it can be merged into the daily PPA. with any luck, it'll be merged tonight
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - that should be ok. i don't think that i'll have epiphany fixed though
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> i'm still trying to understand what is happening during shutdown
[14:19] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: that's fine. I will file a bug and release note that it is being orked on
[14:19] <Dimmuxx> ddecator: nice, but will there be beta ppa with 4.0 betas since I rather stay on betas than using daylies
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - thanks
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> i'm not being helped by my laptop this week. it slows to a crawl every time i try to do something in kvm
[14:20] <jdstrand> :(
[14:21] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: is this totem specific or all plugins?
[14:21] <jdstrand> (I think the latter)
[14:21] <ddecator> Dimmuxx: afaik, the milestone PPAs haven't been setup yet, so there are just stable and daily PPAs. i know the plan was to setup one at some point though
[14:22] <Dimmuxx> what about security? 3.6.4 rc builds were there after all
[14:23] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - it affects all plugins, but will only be noticeable with plugins that spawn an external helper
[14:24] <jdstrand> k
[14:24] <ddecator> Dimmuxx: what do you mean? why don't we do it as a security update?
[14:26] <chrisccoulson_> bah, i give up with my laptop now ;)
[14:27] <Dimmuxx> ddecator: nah I really don't know what I meant. ;) But since you put rc builds of 3.6.4 there which were just sent out to beta users(win/osx) I thought that perhaps 4.0 betas could be there too. But the best solution would be a beta ppa like with chromium
[14:27] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: fyi, filed as bug #599796
[14:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 599796 in epiphany-browser (Ubuntu Jaunty) (and 3 other projects) "plugins are not killed on browser close after viewing embedded media (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/599796
[14:27] <chrisccoulson_> jdstrand, thanks
[14:29] <ddecator> Dimmuxx: right, that's what the plan is. we'll eventually make a PPA that is either updated with every beta release, or is updated starting with each alpha release (not sure of the exact plan, micah knows about it)
[14:30] <Dimmuxx> ddecator: nice, I assume you don't know any eta on it? :)
[14:32] <ddecator> Dimmuxx: well, backporting firefox 3.6 isn't done, after that thunderbird 3.1 is high on the list...i'm not sure how long it would take to setup, but it won't be for a while yet
[14:32] <Dimmuxx> maybe in time for final 4.0b1 then
[14:33] <ddecator> doubt it, the daily is up to b2 already, so if b1 hasn't been released yet it will be soon :)
[14:34] <Dimmuxx> 3.6.4 was in rc mode for a month at least so you never know with mozilla
[14:35] <Dimmuxx> I think the current eta is at least 1 week away.
[14:35] <jdstrand> Dimmuxx: I will be publishing 3.6.6 for hardy and lucid today
[14:36] <jdstrand> jaunty and karmic are at least 1 week away (due to openjdk)
[14:36] <ddecator> jdstrand: oh nice, i had someone ask me about that last night
[14:37] <Dimmuxx> jdstrand: aha so maybe two weeks then? ;)
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i still need to get the xulrunner apps in karmic ported to 1.9.2 too, but that should fit nicely alongside the openjdk work
[14:41] <jdstrand> ddecator, Dimmuxx: it is a complicated update, to say the least. the publication status (ie what is blocking USN publication) is being tracked in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Firefox3.6.4Upgrade/SecurityPublication
[14:41] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: yeah
[14:41] <ddecator> jdstrand: yah, i know at least the dependecies have been giving you all trouble. thanks :)
[14:45] <Dimmuxx> jdstrand: heh that doesn't look fun
[14:47] <jdstrand> yeah, and that only covers the stuff I've been focusing on. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Firefox3.6.4Upgrade and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel/xulrunner-list for what the mozilla team has been working on
[14:50] <DarrenW> hey folks :) does anyone know if thunderbird 3.1 will make it's way into the thunderbird stable ppa?
[15:13] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - do you think i should upload openjdk again?
[15:14] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: sure, one of them should be fine, now that all the firefox's are done (excepting ia64)
[15:14] <jdstrand> s/'//
[15:25] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i think i'm getting somewhere with epiphany now
[15:25] <chrisccoulson> for some reason, the GtkMozEmbed widget has no parent when the main epiphany window is destroyed
[15:26] <chrisccoulson> so that widget never gets destroyed before epiphany closes
[15:26] <chrisccoulson> it's weird how that works with the old xulrunner though ;)
[15:26] <jdstrand> huh
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> well, "has no parent" might not be entirely true. the container that is meant to hold the GtkMozEmbed instance has no children
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> i suppose that's not technically the same thing ;)
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> but the results are the same
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> right, time for a reboot
[15:58] <asac_> fta2: i whipped a bit and now the rebuild is disabled until we figure why the scheduler gives them high prio
[16:06] <micahg> fta: can you delete thunderbird-3.1 from the daily PPA and pause the daily build job for it?
[16:06] <micahg> fta: I see people are trying to get the real thing and will end up with a pre-alpha :(
[16:18] <fta> asac, i did earlier today too
[16:22] <fta> micahg, if i do that, it will erase the history
[16:22] <micahg> fta: ah, hmm
[16:23] <micahg> fta: any suggestions or is just fix it the only option?
[16:25] <BUGabundo_remote> t
[16:30] <fta> micahg, for some reason, it's not disabled in the bot, yet, there's no new snapshot since last year
[16:30] <micahg> fta: it's pointing to comm-central and the version is 3.2 and it's broke :)
[16:31] <fta> oh
[16:31] <fta> micahg, what's so difficult to unbreak anyway?
[16:32] <micahg> fta: the versioning patch needed something added IIRC, but I couldn't get it working 6 months ago, I know quite a bit more now and could probably do it as soon as I get a little time
[16:32] <fta> if you're busy, maybe ddecator could have a look :) it should be similar to the 3.7->4.0 (ie, re-use what i did for tb 3.0->3.1)
[16:36] <micahg> fta: no, it broke before the transition to 3.2
[16:44] <fta> obviously, the transition must be fixed 1st
[16:47] <micahg> fta: I was going to rebranch after fixing the codebase for 3.1
[16:47] <micahg> or branch first maybe and then merge select changes...
[16:47] <micahg> there's a comm-1.9.2 branch now
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - calling gtk_widget_unrealize on a GtkMozEmbed widget causes it to be reparented to an offscreen window (GtkMozEmbed overloads the unrealize function to do this)
[16:49]  * micahg forgot about alpha2 when asking chrisccoulson to delay upload thunderbird to maverick :(
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> i just need to understand why it doesn't do this in the old version ;)
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, i forgot about alpha 2 when i uploaded firefox to maverick and to the u-m-s PPA for all releases, uploaded openjdk and DoS'd the build daemons ;)
[16:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that was yesterday and the freeze is today though
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, but i was stopping maverick things from being built to get the archive consistent ;)
[16:51] <micahg> chrisccoulson: should we try to get thunderbird in or have an outdated version on the CD?
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> micahg - we can wait until after a2 now, it's not too much of a problem
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> i'm just a bit concerned about tying the builders up (i still need to get openjdk built too)
[16:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I'll test the build then tonight in the PPA and make sure the symlinks works
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[17:07] <fta> ddecator, micahg: remember that for the 3.7->4.0 migration in the daily ppa, there's an action on my side too: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fta/+junk/ppa-confs/annotate/head:/ppabot-pkgs-umd.conf
[17:08] <micahg> fta: well, they made the transition in m-c, so it'll probably be tomorrow before we get ddecator's merge in for 4.0
[17:08] <micahg> fta: should we rename the 3.7 branch or just push a new one?
[17:08] <fta> also, it would be nice for ff 4.0 to build its own xul
[17:09] <micahg> fta: yes, it will at some point
[17:11] <fta> micahg, whatever you do for the branches, i have something to change on my side. at least vpattern and the source package name
[17:11] <micahg> fta: k, I'm thinking to just rename, I'll ping you after I make merge the branch changes
[17:17] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the xul192 discussion is getting more interesting in Debian :)
[17:30] <ddecator> micahg: i was just going to get everything setup for FF and XR, so it'll be available tonight even if it can't be merged yet
[17:30] <micahg> ddecator: k
[18:14] <jlebar> What replaced the linux-image-debug package?
[18:14] <jlebar> Whoops; wrong channel.
[18:24] <ddecator> dang, micah left...
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - so, the epiphany issue is looking more like a mozilla bug
[18:49] <jdstrand> interesting
[18:49] <jdstrand> fyi, I've started publication of hardy and lucid
[18:50] <micahg> jdstrand: thanks, I've been telling people to go to the u-m-s PPA :)
[18:52] <ddecator> wow, lifehacker did a test and FF 3.6.6 used the least amount of memory in the various conditions :)
[18:52] <ddecator> micahg: i'm guessing you'll get the emails, but i pushed the branches and requested merges. i'm guessing i'll to tweak some minor things, so just let me know what i need to change whenever you get around to it
[18:53] <micahg> ddecator: k, I won't be able to look till after 9 tonight most likely
[18:53] <ddecator> micahg: np, i wasn't even sure you'd be able to look tonight :)
[18:54] <micahg> jdstrand: you're not copying Seamonkey, right?
[18:54] <jdstrand> micahg: not until you guys tell me to, no
[18:55] <micahg> jdstrand: k, thanks
[18:55] <jdstrand> micahg: but nss is copied, so whenever you are ready, let me know
[18:55] <jdstrand> micahg: obviously I'm talking about hardy here
[18:55] <micahg> jdstrand: k, lucid too, no changelog for CVEs yet
[18:56] <jdstrand> micahg: right, I just meant I didn't copy nss anywhere except hardy, since I am only doing hardy and lucid and lucid didn't need it
[18:56] <micahg> jdstrand: ah, k, thansk
[18:56] <micahg> *thanks
[19:00] <gnomefreak> micahg: i know it wouldnt have mattered since you didnt push a fix but the daily ff3.6 has 2 AU, i was board this morning while i was here
[19:01] <micahg> gnomefreak: 2AU?
[19:01] <micahg> gnomefreak: ah, yes
[19:01] <gnomefreak> micahg: yep
[19:01] <gnomefreak> ops sorry this is languages
[19:01] <micahg> gnomefreak: right, so we're now using the hunspell dir in maverick instead of the myspell dir, but there are still dupes and we'll try to get them cleaned up before beta
[19:02] <gnomefreak> micahg: k just testing :). when is the ETA on renaming 3.7 ->4.0 IIRC B1 was released
[19:03] <ddecator> soon
[19:03] <micahg> gnomefreak: they did it last night, tonight's upload will probably fail, and hopefully have the transition done by tomorrow
[19:03] <gnomefreak> micahg: ok thanks. someone was asking about that this morning
[19:04]  * gnomefreak thinks someone said the builds will fail. ft_a i thinkl
[19:05] <gnomefreak> the person assking was Dimmux_x IIRC
[19:07] <ddecator> gnomefreak: yah, i told Dimmux-x that it was in the works
[19:07] <gnomefreak> d	thanks
[19:07] <gnomefreak> ddecator: thanks
[19:07] <gnomefreak> not sure what i typed the first time but its highlited
[19:09] <gnomefreak> xul193 sucks badly
[19:09] <ddecator> how so?
[19:10]  * micahg wants to set up a firefox beta PPA
[19:10] <gnomefreak> its one of the running scripts warning
[19:10]  * micahg is itching to try 4.0b1 :)
[19:10] <gnomefreak> works fine in 192
[19:10] <gnomefreak> micahg: that makes 2 of us
[19:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: the warning doesn't work?
[19:11] <gnomefreak> micahg: it warns me that it is running. it should no keep running the script on the page
[19:11] <micahg> gnomefreak: if you're running last night's build, that's basically the beta
[19:11] <gnomefreak> that is a bug as i recall
[19:11] <micahg> sounds like a regression, it should pause the script if the warning is being displayed
[19:11] <gnomefreak> 3.7~a6~hg20100629r46385+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[19:12] <gnomefreak> micahg: i can give you the warning if i can reproduce it but i do have XPCOM warning now on screen
[19:12] <gnomefreak> 3.7~a6~hg20100629r46385+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[19:12] <gnomefreak> damnit
[19:13] <ddecator> micahg: there have been requests for it :)
[19:13] <gnomefreak> ok seems i cant copy and paste (should be another bug IMHP seeing as it has the "copy" choice
[19:13] <gnomefreak> ok that is 3 script warnings
[19:13]  * ddecator doesn't get the script warning...
[19:14] <gnomefreak> im in gmail in one of my boxes other site i was on == no warning
[19:14] <ddecator> you're getting the script warnings on gmail?
[19:15] <gnomefreak> oh you are not going to like 3.7 languages
[19:16] <gnomefreak> 
[19:22] <gnomefreak> ok that was odd :(. ok what i was trying to type was 3.7 == 2AU 2US 2UK 1CA and 1 of antoher i dont recall
[19:23] <gnomefreak> for some reason the batch of updates would let me type in temrinal/irssi until i rebooted
[19:31]  * gnomefreak should have pain attention in the bot class :(
[19:36] <gnomefreak> anyone have a clue why ozilla-plugin-vlc depends on libqt3-mt is it works with Gecko browsers not a mention to qt browsers
[19:37] <fta> ddecator, lol
[19:37] <fta> -# 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-13.7 USA.
[19:37] <fta> +# 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-14.0 USA.
[19:37] <micahg> gnomefreak: well, vlc is a QT app I thought
[19:38] <fta> ddecator, the DESKTOP_BRANDED part is most probably wrong
[19:38] <gnomefreak> micahg: it is but not understanding why if Gecko has no qt anything
[19:38] <micahg> gnomefreak: opera needs it not mozilla-plugin-vlc
[19:39] <gnomefreak> that is a good reason. if only we supported Opera ;)
[19:40] <micahg> gnomefreak: there are a few things that need it still...aptitude why libqt3-mt
[19:40] <gnomefreak> the libqt3-mt was a file manager bca or something like that
[19:41] <gnomefreak> i double checked. most if not all should depends on libqt4
[19:41] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes, but try the command I gave you and it'll tell you why you have it instlaled
[19:42] <gnomefreak> cant atm
[19:42] <gnomefreak> in Synaptic
[19:43] <gnomefreak> micahg: we need to update mozilla-packagekit it needs firefox-3.0
[19:43] <gnomefreak> assuming that is ours
[19:44]  * micahg wonders how we missed that :(
[19:45]  * micahg wonders if that's why apt doesn't work in the browser
[19:45]  * gnomefreak thinks that is a good choice
[19:45] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ^^
[19:46] <gnomefreak> only if it was as easy as to change depends. if it is i can run that through
[19:46] <micahg> gnomefreak: depends on what it needs :)
[19:46] <gnomefreak> let me see what else it haad
[19:46] <chrisccoulson> what's up?
[19:46] <micahg> chrisccoulson: seems like we forgot mozilla-packagekit
[19:47] <gnomefreak>  |Depends: firefox-3.5
[19:47] <gnomefreak>     firefox
[19:47] <gnomefreak>  |Depends: abrowser-3.5
[19:47] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i've not had any issues upgrading
[19:47] <gnomefreak> maybe its jsut me but depends shows those
[19:48] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: installing it from Synaptic says firefox-3.0
[19:48] <chrisccoulson> which release are we talking about?
[19:48] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I don't have it installed, could that be why some people have issues with apt: in the browser or is that apt-url only?
[19:49] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: maverick. one sec
[19:49] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/456989/
[19:49] <chrisccoulson> oh, i thought you were talking about the security updates
[19:49] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oops, sorry for scaring you :)
[19:49] <gnomefreak> that shows other browsers but synaptic says installing firefox-3.0
[19:50] <chrisccoulson> that shouldn't be an issue. the pacakges it depends on are just metapackages which pull in the real firefox
[19:50] <micahg> gnomefreak: breaks ff30 :)
[19:50] <gnomefreak> i already have firefox
[19:50] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak - but you wouldn't get another firefox ;)
[19:50] <gnomefreak> try to install it see what it says. maybe this is a mvo bug
[19:51] <chrisccoulson> installing mozilla-packagekit will install the firefox-3.5 metapackage, which depends on the firefox you already have installed
[19:51] <chrisccoulson> we should fix the depends to not pull in the metapackage anyway
[19:51] <chrisccoulson> but that shouldn't be causing any other issues
[19:51] <gnomefreak> give me a while let me get synaptic done than ill try in a terminal maybe its synaptic
[19:52] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: it says it breaks firefox-3.0 so it shouldnt even suggest it
[19:52] <gnomefreak> let alone depends on it
[19:52] <chrisccoulson> where does it suggest it?
[19:53] <chrisccoulson> it depends on firefox-3.5 | firefox
[19:53] <chrisccoulson> and it breaks firefox-3.0
[19:53] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: it doesnt but in synaptic it wants to install it
[19:53] <chrisccoulson> it wants to install which package?
[19:53] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: if it breaks 3.0 than why does it want me to install 3.0
[19:53] <chrisccoulson> i've no idea, that seems a bit weird ;)
[19:54] <gnomefreak> i will post a screenshot when i can but if you can please test in terminal
[19:54] <chrisccoulson> i can't really test it atm, i'm busy with other things
[19:54] <gnomefreak> synaptic wont stop now so it will be a while (20 or so minutes)
[19:55] <gnomefreak> ok be back
[19:59] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i see you've copied the packages now
[19:59] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[20:00] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: sure!
[20:00] <jdstrand> still adjusting overrides and getting the langpacks to -updates and doing the actual USN publication. but the packages are in -security! :)
[20:01] <gnomefreak> ok apt shows it as a broken package due to ff30
[20:02] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/457001/  <<install output
[20:02] <gnomefreak> so i take it if i would have tried to install it in synaptic it would have showed same thing
[20:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: should I get rid of the transitional packages in maverick for Firefox?  Does this also mean get rid of them in .head or should I branch maverick?
[20:03] <Dimmuxx> micahg: beta ppa with 4.0b1 is a very nice idea ;)
[20:03] <gnomefreak> firefox-3.0 should be removed from the package entirely
[20:03] <micahg> gnomefreak: it's a transitional package in lucid/maverick
[20:03] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i'm not too sure yet. won't they disappear from all the dailies as well then?
[20:04] <chrisccoulson> we shouldn't branch maverick just yet, that will create a lot of work for us ;)
[20:04] <gnomefreak> micahg: than what do you do with it if not remove it from depends
[20:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, so, just leave in maverick and get rid of them before the final upload?
[20:04] <gnomefreak> firefox == transitional package
[20:04] <micahg> gnomefreak: no
[20:04] <chrisccoulson> i'd like to clean all the cruft from the packages, but i just haven't decided the best way to go about doing that yet
[20:04] <micahg> *final upload before release
[20:04] <chrisccoulson> i need to have a think about that once the dust has settled with 3.6.6 ;)
[20:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, cleaning up was one of my tasks that wasn't given a milestone due to lack of time
[20:05] <gnomefreak> 3.5 == transtional to firefox
[20:05] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes :)
[20:05] <gnomefreak> and 2.0 and 3.0
[20:06] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes :)
[20:06] <gnomefreak> do we really need all of those since we dont have 2.0 is any ubuntu supported
[20:06] <micahg> gnomefreak: hardy :)
[20:06] <gnomefreak> !info firefox hardy
[20:06] <ubot2> gnomefreak: firefox (source: firefox-3.0): meta package for the popular mozilla web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.19+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 (hardy), package size 65 kB, installed size 120 kB
[20:06] <micahg> !info firefox-2 hardy
[20:06] <ubot2> micahg: firefox-2 (source: firefox): lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.0.21~tb.21.308+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 (hardy), package size 8990 kB, installed size 26100 kB
[20:06] <gnomefreak> default is 3.0
[20:07] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes, and?
[20:07] <gnomefreak> 2.0 is still needed?
[20:07] <micahg> gnomefreak: transitional
[20:07] <micahg> gnomefreak: needed where?
[20:07] <gnomefreak> are we every going to be able to clean it up a little since we are pushing 3.6 to all
[20:08] <gnomefreak> should not need 3+ transitonal packages per release
[20:08] <micahg> gnomefreak: well, the stable packaging won't change, but maverick will
[20:08] <gnomefreak> that is a lot of cruft
[20:09] <gnomefreak> 2.0.0.21~tb.21.308+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1  << "tb"?
[20:09] <micahg> gnomefreak: not getting updates unless someone is feal really ambitious in their backporting :)
[20:10] <gnomefreak> we dont need to backport the packages they should go to secuity i thought we decided
[20:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: probably means took the patches from TB as they were the same gecko revision
[20:10] <gnomefreak> good point
[20:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: I meant patches
[20:11] <micahg> gnomefreak: Firefox 2 is probably vulnerable to >100 CVEs
[20:11] <gnomefreak> yeah good point
[20:11]  * micahg is reminded of the need to backport fixes for TB in hardy, jaunty, and karmic...
[20:11] <gnomefreak> hardy EOL 11.04 GUI)
[20:12] <micahg> right
[20:12] <gnomefreak> so does jaunty?
[20:12] <gnomefreak> drop 2 releases in one month
[20:13] <micahg> gnomefreak: karmic
[20:13] <gnomefreak> karmic ==9.10
[20:13] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes
[20:14] <gnomefreak> so when is jaunty EOL
[20:14] <micahg> gnomefreak: end of october
[20:14] <gnomefreak> ok than karmic+hardy EOL in 11.04
[20:14] <gnomefreak> for our packages
[20:14] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes, then we can really start cleaning up :)
[20:15] <gnomefreak> ok that is a good idea to look forward to in 11.04
[20:15] <chrisccoulson> we'll have 2 more releases to support by then  ;)
[20:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes, but we can transition all the new stuff to dh7 and all the lucid tools :)
[20:16] <chrisccoulson> that will be fun ;)
[20:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: just a crazy thought, did anyone test the backports with apport?
[20:17] <gnomefreak> yay i get another troll to my list this week
[20:18] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i didn't, although it should carry on working as usual. i didn't change the apport hooks, and they are still named the same as the source package
[20:18] <chrisccoulson> so they should just carry on working as normal
[20:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oh, ok
[20:27] <gnomefreak> will unity run on anything or is it just UNE
[20:33] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, it should run on anything with the graphics drivers to support it
[20:33] <chrisccoulson> if you install it, then you have the option of logging in with a unity session from gdm
[20:33] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: it looks like it will but i havent installed it yet, cleaning up other packages atm
[20:34] <gnomefreak> it seems to have very high mem usage from what i am hearing
[20:34] <gnomefreak> ok be back going to install
[20:56] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I wonder if the fix for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=532246 (MFSA 2010-28) has anything to do with the epiphany issue...
[20:56] <ubot2> jdstrand: Error: Error getting Mozilla bug #532246: NotPermitted
[20:56] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i can't see that ;)
[20:57] <jdstrand> well, me either, but maybe [reed] could help with that
[20:57] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I'm writing USN text. this is the mfsa: http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2010/mfsa2010-28.html
[20:59] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i'm not sure if it's related. the bug i'm looking at doesn't look like it's plugin related (that's just an effect of the bug)
[20:59] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: k. fyi only...
[21:01] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[21:11] <gnomefreak> yay chromium update :)
[21:12]  * gnomefreak needs to figure out what i have to do to get media keys to work
[21:12] <gnomefreak> nevermind email works
[21:30] <[reed]> jdstrand: yo, what's up?
[21:32] <jdstrand> [reed]: hi! I thought a CVE fix might have caused a regression we are seeing, but we couldn't see the bug. chrisccoulson said he didn't think that was the case, so you can ignore me :)
[21:36] <gnomefreak> now only if limewire did movies
[21:46] <gnomefreak> i guess songbird is still having issues?
[21:46] <[reed]> jdstrand: ok
[21:46] <[reed]> jdstrand: let me know if you need access to the bug
[21:48] <jdstrand> [reed]: thanks :)
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> micahg - re bug 557275 - we don't really want to do that
[22:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 557275 in xulrunner-1.9.2 (Ubuntu) "xulrunner + dynamic linker run-time bindings (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/557275
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> i commented on another bug yesterday which had a similar suggestion
[22:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I saw your response to the other bug :), I was going to mark won't fix with your comment
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> thanks, i can do that now
[22:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k
[23:04] <fta> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/06/ffmpeg-getting-its-own-implementation-of-googles-vp8-codec.ars
[23:04] <BUGabundo_DrWho> fta worse ! oracle bought apache??
[23:04] <micahg> fta: saw that :)
[23:05] <BUGabundo_DrWho> is that a good thing?
[23:06] <BUGabundo_DrWho> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_receives
[23:06] <micahg> BUGabundo_DrWho: yes :)
[23:12] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: fyi, bug #599928 came in. I cannot reproduce and this is something I explicitly test for
[23:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 599928 in firefox (Ubuntu) "cannot create a new folder/ link/ separator on the quick link bar (above the tabs and below the address line) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/599928
[23:14] <micahg> BUGabundo_DrWho: apparently Dr Who sent you into a time warp :)
[23:14] <BUGabundo_DrWho> yep
[23:14] <BUGabundo_DrWho> I've been rickroled
[23:14] <micahg> jdstrand: use needs to restart firefox after the update
[23:14] <micahg> *user
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, yeah, i was thinking what micahg just said
[23:15]  * micahg was going to comment later
[23:15] <jdstrand> that's what I was thinking too
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> those empty dialog boxes are tell-tale signs of the user having not restarted
[23:15] <jdstrand> alright, I'm heading out for a while now for real
[23:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: and extensions patch of /u/l/firefox-3.6.3 is a good hint too :)
[23:15] <micahg> *path
[23:16] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ah, i didn't spot that
[23:33] <ddecator> fta: i know it is, but they don't have a codename for FF 4.0 yet so i wasn't sure what to put. that can be changed quickly though, i just put something so i could make sure it would build.
[23:36] <ddecator> fta: oh, that part...i never even noticed that changed :p
[23:45] <ddecator> fixed that little issue, didn't see any others..