[00:43] <Riddell> 20100628.1 kubuntu desktop image is in reasonable shape
[00:44] <Riddell> oversized though, a rebuild should fix that, I changed the seeds and meta package
[00:44] <cjwatson> just langpacks, or more?
[02:32] <ScottK> cjwatson: It was more.  We're trying to consolidate the desktop and netbook ISOs into a single image so it grew a bit.
[08:56] <ogra> lamont, we have a "tiny" prob with BuildLiveCD ... seems somewheer there was introduced a var called SUBARCHARG that gets handed over to livecd.sh but is never set anywhere
[11:03] <ttx> ogasawara: late wednesday sounds ok to me.
[11:12]  * pitti waves hello
[11:13] <pitti> cjwatson: so is it up to us to do alpha-2 again then? I didn't really talk about that with anyone so far
[11:15] <pitti> I'll start with discussing the oversizedness
[11:16] <cjwatson> I think so; I asked Keybuk if he could help out as well
[11:16] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt *sigh*
[11:16] <cjwatson> I've been looking at installability problems
[11:17] <cjwatson> though I also have a grub2 bug I want to fix first, as it's on the list for 10.04.1
[11:17] <pitti> cjwatson: ok, then do that, I'll start with poking c-m
[11:18] <cjwatson> building some candidate lucid CDs as well
[11:18] <cjwatson> might as well get started on that
[11:19] <cjwatson> need to do something about omap kernel seeding
[11:19] <cjwatson> not to mention what d-i should be built against
[11:19]  * cjwatson wonders why current sparc kernel udebs are NBS
[11:20] <ara> who is going to send the alpha 2 freeze announcement?
[11:20] <cjwatson> oh, I'll do that now
[11:21] <Keybuk> it's been quite a while since I've done any archive/release stuff
[11:22] <pitti> hello Keybuk, how are you?
[11:22] <Keybuk> not so bad, you?
[11:22] <pitti> quite well, thanks
[11:24] <cjwatson> ara: sent
[11:24] <ara> cjwatson, thanks :)
[11:25] <Riddell> kubuntu CDs need a rebuild, kubuntu-meta wasn't compiled in time on amd64 so it's still oversized there
[11:25] <cjwatson> which CDs, alternate or desktop or both?
[11:25] <Riddell> both
[11:25] <cjwatson> in progress now
[11:26] <Riddell> thanks
[11:26] <cjwatson> I love this business of having a huge external disk to keep CD images on
[11:26] <cjwatson> and virtual machines
[11:28] <pitti> cjwatson: "huge external disk to keep CD images on" -> isn't that called "lillypilly"? I have one as well, quite nice :)
[11:29] <pitti> erm, no, antimony I mean
[11:29] <cjwatson> I have this bandwidth problem
[11:44] <Keybuk> cjwatson: it could be worse, you could be on Virgin Media
[11:53] <pitti> does anyone know how to call cd-size-analysis? With two .isos it gives empty output, and with list files it looks implausible
[11:54] <pitti> and the code only calls isoinfo non ARGV[0]
[11:54] <pitti> s/non/on/
[11:54] <pitti> but at the same time it uses the package list parsing code on argv[0] and [1]
[11:54] <pitti> this doesn't make sense to me
[11:57] <pitti> cjwatson: is yuour lp-remove-package still actually runnign? you started it more than half an hour ago
[12:21] <cjwatson> pitti: sorry, finished now
[12:21] <pitti> cjwatson: thanks; killed netbook-launcher
[12:22] <ogra> pitti, if that helps you, i think netbook-launcher-efl can become armel only but i guess that requires some seed fiddling
[12:22] <pitti> ogra: not really; I was cleaning up component-mismatches and installatibliy
[12:23] <ogra> ah
[12:23] <pitti> now I'm wading through the 20 MB of fat that we grew since alpha-1
[12:23] <ogra> i thought oversizedness
[12:23] <pitti> I have a list of the new pacakges, which account for 6
[12:23] <pitti> no idea where the other 14 come from
[12:28] <cjwatson> Riddell: amd64 desktop build failed, BTW
[12:29] <ogra> hrm, there is some gtk+ fallout atm
[12:29] <ogra> at least i see it on armel
[12:32] <Riddell> cjwatson: tsk
[12:41] <ScottK> 4.4.90 isn't built on amd64 yet, so I'd have been a bit suprised if it worked.
[12:41] <ScottK> Actually it's just now finishing on i386.
[12:47] <ScottK> cjwatson: Would you please rescore kdeartwork kdeplasma-addons for amd64?  That should get everything we need for Alpha 2 images done.
[12:51] <cjwatson> done (just did it on all arches)
[12:52] <ScottK> Thanks.
[12:52] <ScottK> There's a roughly zero percent chance of useful armel images for Kubuntu (of any flavor) for this milestone.
[12:52] <ScottK> FYI
[12:54] <ogra> ScottK, well, the arm team is happy if we make A2 at all since we completely redesigned the kind of images we build
[12:55] <ogra> ScottK, on a sidenote all armel builds are disabled atm and i'll only enable ubuntu-netbook once we know it succeeds building, we can talk about kubuntu-netbook for A3
[12:57] <ScottK> ogra: I understand.  Just wanted people know there was no point in even trying for that one.
[12:57] <ogra> right, wont be tried
[12:59] <Riddell> ScottK: actually the amd64 issue was all seb128's fault  "  libgtk2.0-bin: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.21.2-0ubuntu4) but 2.21.2-0ubuntu3 is to be installed"
[12:59] <ogra> yeh
[12:59] <ogra> same on armel
[12:59] <seb128> right, and I just did another gtk upload
[12:59] <seb128> sorry about that
[12:59] <Riddell> we'll let you off seb128, but only because you're cute :)
[13:00] <ogra> though i wasnt aware that kubuntu ships gtk
[13:00] <seb128> lol
[13:00] <Riddell> ogra: we try not to but openoffice seems to bring it in these days
[13:00] <ScottK> Riddell: I think we want all of 4.4.90 on the alpha 2 images, so it's best to have it finished.
[13:00] <ogra> ah
[13:00] <ogra> Riddell, time to switch to the weboffice stuff we use on armel ;)
[13:01] <ScottK> The would definitely help ISO sizing.
[13:01] <ScottK> We could ship all kinds of games then.
[13:01] <ogra> heh
[13:01] <ogra> kubuntu - the new gamers distro
[13:02] <Riddell> ScottK: plasma-netbook seems to be working on the kubuntu desktop images so I think we can not include kubuntu netbook in this alpha
[13:02] <Riddell> well when I say working, it's got problems, but not due to the new pick-your-workspace magic
[13:02] <ScottK> Riddell: Should we update kubuntu-netbook to be a transitional package then?
[13:03] <Riddell> ScottK: yes can do
[13:15] <pitti> cjwatson: FYI, I wrote a script "iso-deb-size-compare" which does what I need
[13:15] <pitti> http://pastebin.com/Jzt2EgDq is the output
[13:17] <pitti> oops, and now with correct total added size: http://pastebin.com/3MU8aQm6
[13:20] <pitti> so, gnome-icon-theme, samba/smbclient, and ghostscript
[13:26]  * pitti drops samba from ship *shrug*
[13:26] <pitti> we have a nice auto-installer now
[14:07] <ScottK> cjwatson: OOo is depwait on libtextcat-data-utf8 just on i386.  Since it's already built on amd64, it might make sense to pre-promote libtextcat-data-utf8 so we don't have version skew between the archs.
[14:35] <pitti> the MIR says it's going away again, but I promote it now and milestone the bug
[14:40] <ScottK> Sounds good.
[14:45] <ara> do we have an eta to start seeing images to test in the iso tracker?
[14:50] <cjwatson> I'm poking ev about a ubiquity upload, which I'd like to have first
[15:31] <ttx> pitti, cjwatson: when are the first ubuntu-server A2 milestone candidates expected ?
[15:31] <pitti> I'm off for 30 mins, bbl
[15:32]  * ttx currently sees a 20100629.2
[15:37] <Riddell> all of kde built now, kubuntu images can be made whenever
[15:37]  * Riddell wonders what colin is editing in ./kubuntu/daily/20100629.1/.htaccess
[15:47] <cjwatson> Riddell: bug 571852
[15:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 571852 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "poor description of .zsync download files on releases.ubuntu.com (affects: 1) (heat: 67)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571852
[16:21] <pitti> for the records, I checked samba balooning, not much we can do; the executables themselves grew, binary debdiff empty
[16:21] <pitti> we also checked gnome-icon-theme and figured out some 3 MB saving potential; Seb is on it
[16:21] <pitti> still discussing ghostscript
[16:25] <GrueMaster> Is someone watching the armel buildd's?  There are two currently building different versions of gtk+2.0 (0ubuntu4 and 0ubuntu5).
[16:25] <GrueMaster> Same major release number.
[16:26] <pitti> unfortunately we can't kill builds as buildd-admins, that needs someone with root access
[16:27] <GrueMaster> On x86 hardware, this wouldn't be an issue.  But on the armel pool, these builds can take hours, even days.
[16:27] <cjwatson> GrueMaster: lamont is the person you need to contact
[16:27] <GrueMaster> ok.
[16:28] <cjwatson> (as Ubuntu OSA)
[19:03] <pitti> so, I removed almost all of the (very few) remaining langpacks, and with today's gnome-icon-theme, cups, and anthy uploads and samba ship dropping we should hopefully be back in size limit
[19:03] <pitti> but we need to wait until the dailies tomorrow, oo.o is still building and will take a while
[19:06] <pitti> oh, xserver-common grew from 0.1 to 1.1 MB due to the upstream changelog .. /me fixes
[19:16] <slangasek> oh huh, samba was in ship?
[19:28] <pitti> yes
[19:28] <pitti> another "first against the wall" kind of removals
[19:28] <pitti> in general, latest samba grew quite a bit
[19:29] <slangasek> yes, known issue upstream :(
[19:30] <pitti> oh, it's more than just general code growth?
[19:30] <pitti> I debdiffed the binaries and hoped for some extra documentation etc., but it's really the executables themselves
[19:35] <slangasek> it's a pathological lack of shared libraries
[20:47] <smoser> hey all.  sorry to be a pain, but bug 599921 is currently blocking uec images builds.  I have to step out for several hours now. will check in later.
[20:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 599921 in pyyaml (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "python-yaml 3.09-3 is not installable (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/599921