[00:43] 20100628.1 kubuntu desktop image is in reasonable shape [00:44] oversized though, a rebuild should fix that, I changed the seeds and meta package [00:44] just langpacks, or more? [02:32] cjwatson: It was more. We're trying to consolidate the desktop and netbook ISOs into a single image so it grew a bit. === doko__ is now known as doko [08:56] lamont, we have a "tiny" prob with BuildLiveCD ... seems somewheer there was introduced a var called SUBARCHARG that gets handed over to livecd.sh but is never set anywhere [11:03] ogasawara: late wednesday sounds ok to me. [11:12] * pitti waves hello [11:13] cjwatson: so is it up to us to do alpha-2 again then? I didn't really talk about that with anyone so far [11:15] I'll start with discussing the oversizedness [11:16] I think so; I asked Keybuk if he could help out as well [11:16] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt *sigh* [11:16] I've been looking at installability problems [11:17] though I also have a grub2 bug I want to fix first, as it's on the list for 10.04.1 [11:17] cjwatson: ok, then do that, I'll start with poking c-m [11:18] building some candidate lucid CDs as well [11:18] might as well get started on that [11:19] need to do something about omap kernel seeding [11:19] not to mention what d-i should be built against [11:19] * cjwatson wonders why current sparc kernel udebs are NBS [11:20] who is going to send the alpha 2 freeze announcement? [11:20] oh, I'll do that now [11:21] it's been quite a while since I've done any archive/release stuff [11:22] hello Keybuk, how are you? [11:22] not so bad, you? [11:22] quite well, thanks [11:24] ara: sent [11:24] cjwatson, thanks :) [11:25] kubuntu CDs need a rebuild, kubuntu-meta wasn't compiled in time on amd64 so it's still oversized there [11:25] which CDs, alternate or desktop or both? [11:25] both [11:25] in progress now [11:26] thanks [11:26] I love this business of having a huge external disk to keep CD images on [11:26] and virtual machines [11:28] cjwatson: "huge external disk to keep CD images on" -> isn't that called "lillypilly"? I have one as well, quite nice :) [11:29] erm, no, antimony I mean [11:29] I have this bandwidth problem [11:44] cjwatson: it could be worse, you could be on Virgin Media [11:53] does anyone know how to call cd-size-analysis? With two .isos it gives empty output, and with list files it looks implausible [11:54] and the code only calls isoinfo non ARGV[0] [11:54] s/non/on/ [11:54] but at the same time it uses the package list parsing code on argv[0] and [1] [11:54] this doesn't make sense to me [11:57] cjwatson: is yuour lp-remove-package still actually runnign? you started it more than half an hour ago [12:21] pitti: sorry, finished now [12:21] cjwatson: thanks; killed netbook-launcher [12:22] pitti, if that helps you, i think netbook-launcher-efl can become armel only but i guess that requires some seed fiddling [12:22] ogra: not really; I was cleaning up component-mismatches and installatibliy [12:23] ah [12:23] now I'm wading through the 20 MB of fat that we grew since alpha-1 [12:23] i thought oversizedness [12:23] I have a list of the new pacakges, which account for 6 [12:23] no idea where the other 14 come from [12:28] Riddell: amd64 desktop build failed, BTW [12:29] hrm, there is some gtk+ fallout atm [12:29] at least i see it on armel [12:32] cjwatson: tsk [12:41] 4.4.90 isn't built on amd64 yet, so I'd have been a bit suprised if it worked. [12:41] Actually it's just now finishing on i386. [12:47] cjwatson: Would you please rescore kdeartwork kdeplasma-addons for amd64? That should get everything we need for Alpha 2 images done. [12:51] done (just did it on all arches) [12:52] Thanks. [12:52] There's a roughly zero percent chance of useful armel images for Kubuntu (of any flavor) for this milestone. [12:52] FYI [12:54] ScottK, well, the arm team is happy if we make A2 at all since we completely redesigned the kind of images we build [12:55] ScottK, on a sidenote all armel builds are disabled atm and i'll only enable ubuntu-netbook once we know it succeeds building, we can talk about kubuntu-netbook for A3 [12:57] ogra: I understand. Just wanted people know there was no point in even trying for that one. [12:57] right, wont be tried [12:59] ScottK: actually the amd64 issue was all seb128's fault " libgtk2.0-bin: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.21.2-0ubuntu4) but 2.21.2-0ubuntu3 is to be installed" [12:59] yeh [12:59] same on armel [12:59] right, and I just did another gtk upload [12:59] sorry about that [12:59] we'll let you off seb128, but only because you're cute :) [13:00] though i wasnt aware that kubuntu ships gtk [13:00] lol [13:00] ogra: we try not to but openoffice seems to bring it in these days [13:00] Riddell: I think we want all of 4.4.90 on the alpha 2 images, so it's best to have it finished. [13:00] ah [13:00] Riddell, time to switch to the weboffice stuff we use on armel ;) [13:01] The would definitely help ISO sizing. [13:01] We could ship all kinds of games then. [13:01] heh [13:01] kubuntu - the new gamers distro [13:02] ScottK: plasma-netbook seems to be working on the kubuntu desktop images so I think we can not include kubuntu netbook in this alpha [13:02] well when I say working, it's got problems, but not due to the new pick-your-workspace magic [13:02] Riddell: Should we update kubuntu-netbook to be a transitional package then? [13:03] ScottK: yes can do [13:15] cjwatson: FYI, I wrote a script "iso-deb-size-compare" which does what I need [13:15] http://pastebin.com/Jzt2EgDq is the output [13:17] oops, and now with correct total added size: http://pastebin.com/3MU8aQm6 [13:20] so, gnome-icon-theme, samba/smbclient, and ghostscript [13:26] * pitti drops samba from ship *shrug* [13:26] we have a nice auto-installer now [14:07] cjwatson: OOo is depwait on libtextcat-data-utf8 just on i386. Since it's already built on amd64, it might make sense to pre-promote libtextcat-data-utf8 so we don't have version skew between the archs. [14:35] the MIR says it's going away again, but I promote it now and milestone the bug [14:40] Sounds good. [14:45] do we have an eta to start seeing images to test in the iso tracker? [14:50] I'm poking ev about a ubiquity upload, which I'd like to have first === barry is now known as geddy === geddy is now known as barry [15:31] pitti, cjwatson: when are the first ubuntu-server A2 milestone candidates expected ? [15:31] I'm off for 30 mins, bbl [15:32] * ttx currently sees a 20100629.2 [15:37] all of kde built now, kubuntu images can be made whenever [15:37] * Riddell wonders what colin is editing in ./kubuntu/daily/20100629.1/.htaccess [15:47] Riddell: bug 571852 [15:47] Launchpad bug 571852 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "poor description of .zsync download files on releases.ubuntu.com (affects: 1) (heat: 67)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571852 === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox [16:21] for the records, I checked samba balooning, not much we can do; the executables themselves grew, binary debdiff empty [16:21] we also checked gnome-icon-theme and figured out some 3 MB saving potential; Seb is on it [16:21] still discussing ghostscript [16:25] Is someone watching the armel buildd's? There are two currently building different versions of gtk+2.0 (0ubuntu4 and 0ubuntu5). [16:25] Same major release number. [16:26] unfortunately we can't kill builds as buildd-admins, that needs someone with root access [16:27] On x86 hardware, this wouldn't be an issue. But on the armel pool, these builds can take hours, even days. [16:27] GrueMaster: lamont is the person you need to contact [16:27] ok. [16:28] (as Ubuntu OSA) === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] [19:03] so, I removed almost all of the (very few) remaining langpacks, and with today's gnome-icon-theme, cups, and anthy uploads and samba ship dropping we should hopefully be back in size limit [19:03] but we need to wait until the dailies tomorrow, oo.o is still building and will take a while === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [19:06] oh, xserver-common grew from 0.1 to 1.1 MB due to the upstream changelog .. /me fixes [19:16] oh huh, samba was in ship? [19:28] yes [19:28] another "first against the wall" kind of removals [19:28] in general, latest samba grew quite a bit [19:29] yes, known issue upstream :( [19:30] oh, it's more than just general code growth? [19:30] I debdiffed the binaries and hoped for some extra documentation etc., but it's really the executables themselves [19:35] it's a pathological lack of shared libraries [20:47] hey all. sorry to be a pain, but bug 599921 is currently blocking uec images builds. I have to step out for several hours now. will check in later. [20:47] Launchpad bug 599921 in pyyaml (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "python-yaml 3.09-3 is not installable (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/599921