[01:01] <pleia2> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_b5b138186c831072
[01:01] <pleia2> It was close, but congrats hypatia!
[01:02] <pleia2> and thanks for running Pendulum :) really goes to show that all of our candidates were well-supported, good news for the project
[01:28] <Pendulum> congrats hypatia!
[01:37] <akgraner> Congratulations hypatia! - and many thanks and appreciation to you Pendulum as well! :-)   - looking forward to the upcoming year!
[01:49]  * Tm_T huggles hypatia & Pendulum
[01:59] <hypatia> ^_^
[02:00] <hypatia> thanks everyone :D
[02:08] <pleia2> just updated for June, am I missing anything? http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ReportingPage
[09:02] <AlanBell> 28/603 is 4.64%
[13:10] <Tm_T> still not quite 5 %
[14:06] <AlanBell> 28/588 may have been the all-time peak halfway through the month
[15:20] <maco> hmm there's one other chick in the dc loco...
[15:21] <maco> should get her to help with the table at the folk festival, since i wont be there this year
[15:21] <maco> and then maybe get someone to suggest membership to her
[15:27] <AlanBell> giving people responsibilities is good
[15:32] <jledbetter_> Folk festival? Neat.
[15:35] <maco> jledbetter_: takoma park folk festival
[15:35] <maco> DC LoCo's been there the last 4 years
[15:36] <maco> last year we had a redhatter with us. she works on OLPC stuff and our loco contact has some OLPCs that he put out to show "and these run linux too" (little green laptops attract crowds)
[15:36] <jledbetter_> Reminds me of akgraner's goat festival post.
[15:36] <maco> resulted in amusingness with her explaining ubuntu to people and ubuntu people explaining fedora/sugar/olpc to people
[15:36] <jledbetter_> Hehe
[15:37] <maco> jledbetter_: http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2009/09/takoma-park-folk-festival-great-success.html
[15:38] <maco> jledbetter_: its a great chance to reach out to nongeeks
[15:39] <maco> because at the geeky events, people have already heard of ubuntu. this lets us talk to people who are into sharing and communal-everything but who dont necessarily read computer magazines
[15:40] <maco> and apparently we're confirmed for this year too http://tpff.org/10/community_tables.htm
[15:40] <maco> but OLF is that weekend
[15:40] <jledbetter_> Well, hopefully Virginia loco gets a little more active. If not, there's a unix group here that I have yet to attend. Happens on the same night as Toastmasters.
[15:40] <jledbetter_> maco: The sign is a great idea too and tent. Very nice.
[15:40] <jledbetter_> Ah. I wondered if there was a cost.
[15:45] <maco> its about $100 i think to be able to have a table at TPFF
[15:45] <maco> kevin has paid it each year
[15:45] <jledbetter_> Sounds like a good increase in turnout too each year.
[15:45] <maco> in 2007 kevin noticed that when i wandered off for food, women stopped coming to the table
[15:46] <maco> so thats why i want to make sure that other chick is there
[15:47] <jledbetter_> Interesting
[21:15] <czajkowski> jledbetter_: hey
[21:16] <czajkowski> jledbetter_: thanks for using the new tag :)
[21:20] <jledbetter_> czajkowski: You're welcome :)
[21:20] <czajkowski> jledbetter_: if you need a hand with anything just ask
[21:20] <czajkowski> jledbetter_: the loco council will try and help
[21:21] <jledbetter_> czajkowski: Thank you. Will do. I've a few months to see what I can do with the Virginia loco ;)
[21:22] <czajkowski> jledbetter_: cool, hang out also in #ubuntu-loocteams and meet others plus more council folks around to ask
[21:23] <jledbetter_> czajkowski: Just joined it not long ago. Think I saw it in one of the emails.
[21:24] <czajkowski> jledbetter_: great :)
[22:31] <maco> AlanBell: im confused
[22:31] <AlanBell> how can I de-befuddle you maco?
[22:32] <maco> AlanBell: im looking at the spreadsheet and it has the same data as before... except now it has another targets/progress sheet... but the data sheet's not been updated
[22:32] <AlanBell> ah, indeed it hasn't
[22:32] <AlanBell> because the data is now more automated, coming from launchpadlib
[22:33] <AlanBell> and then into an openoffice.org spreadsheet that crunches it a bit
[22:33] <AlanBell> and out pops a number
[22:33] <AlanBell> I then put that into the google docs spreadsheet and it automagically updates the graphs that are already embedded in the wiki page
[22:34] <AlanBell> so just using Google Docs as a graphing and graph publishing tool really
[22:35] <AlanBell> ideally, if I was clever I would do the analysis stuff in Google docs and use the python google docs library to update the whole thing end to end in one script
[22:36] <maco> oh
[22:37] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/lplist.py
[22:38] <maco> AlanBell: think putting 5 as a target for N-N would be reasonable? doubt we'd make it for Mav
[22:38] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/members.ods <- not quite the latest one
[22:41] <AlanBell> I wouldn't object to that as a target, but I think targets have to be set by the group
[22:42] <AlanBell> I would object to anything not specific, measurable, attainable, realistic and timed
[22:43] <AlanBell> I am very much in favour of targets existing
[22:43] <maco> offline time for me
[22:43] <AlanBell> o/
[22:48] <AlanBell> I think when we started looking at this in October 2009 with a value of 4.5% a target of 5% by April 2011 would not have seemed very ambitious
[22:49] <AlanBell> since 2005 it was rising at 0.5% per release
[22:49] <AlanBell> if that continued from Karmic at 4.5% we would be looking at 6% for N-N
[22:54] <Dolasilla> hi all! I have a question: I was about to manage the page http://wiki.ubuntu-women.com/It/ to correct a mistake, but I see it's targeted as immutable... :| why?
[22:55] <Dolasilla> s/targeted/tagged
[22:55] <AlanBell> various parts of the wiki are locked down at the moment, it is being worked on as I understand it.
[22:55] <AlanBell> pleia2 will be able to unlock it for you
[22:56] <pleia2> yep, hang on
[22:56] <Dolasilla> hi pleia2 :)
[22:56] <Dolasilla> thanks!
[22:57] <pleia2> unfortunately our first ACL test isn't perfect, since moin is very aggressive about caching, so even if we had a spammer go after something removing them from the ubuntuwomen team wouldn't be enough since moin would still remember them as an ok user
[22:57] <pleia2> Dolasilla: was it just http://wiki.ubuntu-women.com/It or subpages too?
[22:57] <Dolasilla> mmmm...let me check
[22:58] <pleia2> just give me a list and I can open them up, sorry for the trouble
[22:59] <Dolasilla> pleia2, no worries!
[22:59] <Dolasilla> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.com/It/Progetti
[23:00] <pleia2> done
[23:01] <Dolasilla> pleia2, I'm sending a mail to you, not to paste the list here in the chan
[23:01] <pleia2> ok :)
[23:05] <AlanBell> pleia2: shout if you need any help or ideas on a more permanent solution. I am pretty sure something using Moin ACLs and launchpadlib to read data out of launchpad (like the script to work out percentages does) and write out a moin wiki page (like my experimental mootbot does) would work without caching issues
[23:06] <pleia2> AlanBell: we're actually leaning toward opening it up to all lp people again, but being granted shell access to some specific "ban users" files
[23:06] <pleia2> I have shell access on the box already, just sorting out permissions
[23:07] <AlanBell> sounds good
[23:07] <pleia2> I didn't actually want it locked down to just team members, but it was seeming like a feasible solution for a little while
[23:08] <pleia2> thanks for offering :) we might still use ACLs some and I'll be sure to ask if I get stuck
[23:08] <AlanBell> creating pages is locked down at the moment too
[23:08] <pleia2> yeah, akgraner elky and myself still have to be the ones to do that
[23:08] <pleia2> if others want Admin we can grant it
[23:09] <pleia2> hmm, AlanBell care to be a guinea pig for a moment?
[23:09] <AlanBell> sure
[23:09] <pleia2> ok, go to a page you couldn't edit before, refresh and see if you can
[23:10] <AlanBell> I can
[23:10] <pleia2> \o/
[23:10] <pleia2> can you create pages?
[23:10] <pleia2> Dolasilla: turns out I can add you to an editors page, what's your launchpad id?
[23:10] <AlanBell> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/foo
[23:11] <pleia2> yay :)
[23:11] <pleia2> ok, I'll just start adding people to the editor group instead of adding the open acls everywhere
[23:12] <pleia2> unless it's the agenda page, that should be open
[23:12] <AlanBell> that sounds good
[23:12] <AlanBell> I think the agenda page should be slightly less open than it is
[23:12] <pleia2> it's open to everyone on lp at the moment
[23:13] <AlanBell> ooh, I can fix it :-)
[23:13] <pleia2> which I think is what we're going back to anyway
[23:14] <AlanBell> yeah, but they don't all need admin rights to it
[23:14] <pleia2> is revert and admin thing?
[23:14] <Dolasilla> pleia2, sorry didn't read: silvia-bindelli
[23:15] <pleia2> s/and/an
[23:15] <AlanBell> it was #acl Known:read,write,revert All:read
[23:15] <pleia2> yeah
[23:15] <pleia2> we don't want them to revert?
[23:15] <AlanBell> sorry, no it was #acl Known:admin,read,write,revert All:read
[23:15] <pleia2> aah, yeah, we don't want admin
[23:15] <pleia2> thanks :)
[23:16] <pleia2> Dolasilla: can you refresh http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/It/Contatti and see if you can edit it now?
[23:16] <Dolasilla> pleia2, nope....it's still immutable
[23:17] <pleia2> hmm, maybe try logging out and logging in again
[23:17] <Dolasilla> oki
[23:18] <Dolasilla> pleia2, now it works!
[23:19] <Dolasilla> pleia2,...and others pages are editable too, thanks!
[23:19] <pleia2> great :)
[23:38] <pleia2> there were a lot of wonky acls here
[23:38] <pleia2> I think it's all sorted now though
[23:39] <pleia2> (akgraner you now have 23432 wiki update emails, you're welcome!)