| RAOF | alf__: And with mesa 7.9 we'll probably just ship MesaLib in the mesa source package, because mesa-demos has now got a separate repository. | 00:03 |
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| bjsnider | superm1, was there ever a problem with shared libs in the nvidia blob package conflicting with mesa dev packages, specifically regarding building mythtv? | 02:37 |
| superm1 | bjsnider, not as far as i'm aware | 05:31 |
| superm1 | there it some stuff in debian/control for mythtv to allow it to build on older (9.04) packages where vdpau wasn't yet standalone | 05:31 |
| superm1 | but nothing about mesa that i can think | 05:32 |
| superm1 | is there aproblem? | 05:32 |
| RAOF | Dear i915: More working, less deadlocking in i915_gem_madvise_ioctl! | 06:10 |
| diverse_izzue | hi ubuntu X-ers. i'm running lucid on intel graphics and cannot get an external screen to work (it shows "input signal out of range"). xrandr output looks reasonable. same screen worked on lucid+ATI on another machine. | 09:13 |
| alf__ | Hi all! It seems that egl.pc in libegl1-mesa-dev contains a "Requires.private" to "libdrm, dri2proto ...". | 10:10 |
| alf__ | Shouldn't the libegl1-mesa-dev package depend on the -dev packages containing the associated "libdrm, dri2proto ..." .pc files? | 10:11 |
| RAOF | alf__: Yes. | 10:30 |
| alf__ | RAOF: I can create a patch for this if you are not working on it already | 10:35 |
| RAOF | I'm not working on it already; if you want to create a patch I'll apply it for the next upload, or I can make the changes myself in the next upload. | 10:36 |
| alf__ | RAOF: I'll create a patch then to save you the trouble :) | 10:39 |
| === schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm | ||
| alf__ | RAOF: Is mesa 7.9 targeted for maverick? | 10:46 |
| RAOF | alf__: Yes. | 10:48 |
| alf__ | RAOF: great, thanks | 10:48 |
| * jcristau sighs at the 20MB MesaDemos tarball | 11:32 | |
| jcristau | RAOF: would you mind if i accidentally rm'ed progs/objviewer before creating mesa_7.8.2.orig.tar.gz? | 11:34 |
| alf__ | RAOF: Should I add versioned dependencies to libegl1-mesa-dev eg libdrm-dev (>= 2.4.19) [!hurd-i386] vs just libdrm-dev? | 12:43 |
| bjsnider | superm1, one of the mythtv developers was saying to me in an email that he ahd to move some of the shared ibs in the nvidia driver into the -dev package because they conflict with some other -dev packages required to build mythtv | 12:59 |
| tseliot | federico1: have you seen our emails on input rotation? | 15:25 |
| superm1 | bjsnider, on what, maverick? | 15:45 |
| superm1 | bjsnider, i'm still perplexed, can you reproduce his problem? | 15:46 |
| superm1 | bjsnider, it might be best to get all of this stuff on a bug | 16:33 |
| bjsnider | superm1, no, on one of the older distros | 17:08 |
| superm1 | bjsnider, how much older? | 17:35 |
| bjsnider | olde than lucid, that's all i know. i don't have many specifics. | 17:36 |
| bjsnider | i don't think nvidia-glx-xxx-dev has ever had any shared libs in it though. so i don't know how myth was being built in the past if this was a problem | 17:37 |
| superm1 | bjsnider, well if the details show up on a bug, can try to reproduce it on a current version | 17:50 |
| superm1 | otherwise, won't fix most likely for the older one | 17:50 |
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| shadeslayer | Sarvatt: around? | 20:11 |
| shadeslayer | hi,whats the default open source driver for ATi cards on Ubuntu? | 20:28 |
| johanbr | shadeslayer, the -ati driver | 20:40 |
| shadeslayer | johanbr: ok.. btw any idea on how to get the kernel to boot one step at a time? | 20:41 |
| johanbr | I'm not sure what you mean by that | 20:41 |
| shadeslayer | johanbr: we have a issue in #kubuntu-devel ... would be helpful if you can join | 20:41 |
| shadeslayer | related to g/kdm | 20:42 |
| shadeslayer | Nightrose: ^^ | 20:42 |
| shadeslayer | didnt realise you were here ;) | 20:42 |
| Nightrose | 'lo | 20:42 |
| shadeslayer | So Nightrose upgraded her system from 9.10 to 10.04 and now k/gdm hangs up | 20:43 |
| Nightrose | (upgrade failed due to computer restarting in the middle of it...) | 20:43 |
| Nightrose | i finished it from command line then | 20:43 |
| johanbr | hmm... anything in the logs? | 20:46 |
| shadeslayer | johanbr: the system freezes up.. | 20:46 |
| shadeslayer | she can only access the recovery console | 20:46 |
| shadeslayer | johanbr: afaik dmesg gets erased after every boot | 20:47 |
| shadeslayer | johanbr: ATi card btw | 20:47 |
| shadeslayer | http://pastebin.com/5W7qAtcN << hwinfo --framebuffer | 20:48 |
| johanbr | anything in /var/log/gdm/* ? | 20:49 |
| Nightrose | i'll check - can take a while | 20:50 |
| johanbr | and does "sudo startx" work? | 20:52 |
| shadeslayer | johanbr: sudo startx ? | 20:52 |
| johanbr | yes | 20:53 |
| Nightrose | johanbr: there are a few files in that folder - which one do i want? | 20:54 |
| johanbr | :0.log is probably most interesting | 20:55 |
| Nightrose | k | 20:56 |
| Nightrose | johanbr: pastebin.com/zBuKSZvr | 20:58 |
| jefferai | shadeslayer: sup | 21:00 |
| shadeslayer | jefferai: johanbr is helping with the issues | 21:00 |
| johanbr | well, trying to anyway :) | 21:00 |
| jefferai | johanbr: is there a way to step through the services that are being started during bootup? | 21:01 |
| jefferai | so that the exact service that ends up causing the hang can be pinpointed? | 21:01 |
| johanbr | jefferai, not that I know of | 21:04 |
| jefferai | :-| | 21:04 |
| jefferai | johanbr: the hang occurs even when X is not being used | 21:05 |
| jefferai | Nightrose: right? | 21:05 |
| johanbr | I didn't realize there was a hang | 21:05 |
| Nightrose | jefferai: well if i have it use gdm it doesn't seem to come up - before with kdm it did | 21:05 |
| johanbr | try booting without "splash" and "quiet" and see what the last thing printed is | 21:06 |
| Nightrose | it did = X came up | 21:06 |
| jefferai | Nightrose: right, but didn't you say that if you disabled X entirely that it still hung? | 21:06 |
| Nightrose | jefferai: i don't really know how to do that - except for booting into recovery mode | 21:07 |
| Nightrose | where it doesn't hang | 21:07 |
| Nightrose | but that doesn't say much i guess | 21:07 |
| johanbr | so everything works except X? | 21:07 |
| Nightrose | johanbr: i don't know for sure tbh... - X at least starts when i have it set to start kdm | 21:08 |
| shadeslayer | johanbr: apparently X starts -> KDM starts -> everything hangs | 21:08 |
| Nightrose | yes | 21:08 |
| johanbr | did you try "sudo startx" ? | 21:09 |
| Nightrose | screen turns black with non-blinking cursor at top right | 21:11 |
| johanbr | definitely sounds like some X package is busted, then | 21:14 |
| shadeslayer | jefferai: aha! :D | 21:14 |
| shadeslayer | ( and yes thats meant for jefferai :P ) | 21:15 |
| Nightrose | johanbr: any ideas what to do about it? or where to look for more info? | 21:15 |
| johanbr | maybe try "sudo apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg-core" | 21:16 |
| jefferai | shadeslayer: ? | 21:16 |
| shadeslayer | jefferai: i told you it was a X bug :D | 21:16 |
| shadeslayer | well.. not exactly x but x related :P | 21:16 |
| jefferai | shadeslayer: I didn't disagree about it being an x bug | 21:17 |
| jefferai | I said I wasn't convinced it was a video driver bug | 21:17 |
| shadeslayer | you didnt agree either ;) | 21:17 |
| jefferai | I like to keep options open when debugging | 21:17 |
| jefferai | especially debugging distros I don't use | 21:17 |
| shadeslayer | jefferai: ok.. im just playing with you ;) | 21:18 |
| jefferai | :-) | 21:18 |
| * shadeslayer is really gratefull to jefferai | 21:18 | |
| shadeslayer | *grateful | 21:19 |
| jefferai | :-) | 21:21 |
| jefferai | *hugs* | 21:21 |
| Nightrose | johanbr: ok can startx from recovery mode - shows login sequenze to kde then freezes somewhere in the middle of it | 21:23 |
| johanbr | Nightrose, alright... I guess try the same thing for KDE then | 21:24 |
| shadeslayer | Nightrose: ksplash comes online? | 21:24 |
| johanbr | "sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdebase" or something similar | 21:24 |
| shadeslayer | Nightrose: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdebase kdelibs | 21:24 |
| Nightrose | shadeslayer: jep until it freezes ;-) | 21:25 |
| Nightrose | ok | 21:25 |
| * jefferai wonders if there is a way to simply reinstall all of the packages in the system | 21:25 | |
| shadeslayer | Nightrose: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdebase kdelibs5 actually | 21:25 |
| jefferai | like an "emerge -e world" on gentoo :-) | 21:25 |
| Nightrose | k | 21:25 |
| Nightrose | heh | 21:25 |
| shadeslayer | jefferai: sudo apt-get --reinstall install * :P | 21:25 |
| * Nightrose ponders doing that | 21:25 | |
| jefferai | nice | 21:25 |
| jefferai | heh | 21:25 |
| Nightrose | bad idea? | 21:25 |
| jefferai | sudo is for wimps | 21:26 |
| jefferai | su - | 21:26 |
| jefferai | and run wild | 21:26 |
| jefferai | :-D | 21:26 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 21:26 |
| johanbr | I don't think * works | 21:26 |
| shadeslayer | johanbr: would that be a bad idea? | 21:26 |
| jefferai | sudo apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg --list-installed` | 21:26 |
| jefferai | or something like that? | 21:26 |
| * jefferai doesn't know dpkg options | 21:26 | |
| shadeslayer | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=658670 | 21:27 |
| johanbr | you could do "sudo apt-get --reinstall install $(dpkg -l |awk '/^i/{print $2}')" | 21:27 |
| johanbr | should be fine, except it'll take quite a while | 21:28 |
| Nightrose | sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdebase kdelibs5 didn't help | 21:28 |
| Nightrose | ok | 21:28 |
| Nightrose | well i wasted lots of hours already... one or two more don't hurt at this point | 21:28 |
| jefferai | OK, here's another question for you *buntu guys | 21:28 |
| shadeslayer | Nightrose: well.. try the command johanbr gave | 21:29 |
| jefferai | could it be a stale configuration file? | 21:29 |
| Nightrose | yeaü | 21:29 |
| Nightrose | *yea | 21:29 |
| jefferai | that should have been removed/upgraded, but wsn't? | 21:29 |
| shadeslayer | only one way to find out | 21:29 |
| shadeslayer | sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a :P | 21:30 |
| johanbr | certainly possible, but a stale config file shouldn't cause the system to hang completely (in most cases) | 21:30 |
| johanbr | my guess would be a broken driver or library somewhere | 21:30 |
| * jefferai could see it with something udev related, or loading the wrong driver or with the wrong options in X | 21:30 | |
| * shadeslayer has to go to sleep now | 21:32 | |
| shadeslayer | Nightrose: your almost done i think :D | 21:33 |
| Nightrose | heh | 21:33 |
| jefferai | Well | 21:33 |
| jefferai | almost done with the things you can do :-) | 21:33 |
| Nightrose | johanbr: that stops because amarok-kde4 has not installation candidate | 21:33 |
| shadeslayer | amarok kde4 0_o | 21:33 |
| Nightrose | ait - s/no installation candidate/is not available but is reffered to by another package | 21:34 |
| Nightrose | *wait | 21:34 |
| Nightrose | *sigh* :( | 21:35 |
| Nightrose | i wasted 2 nights on this already | 21:35 |
| Nightrose | and i don't see how i can finish my 3 talks this way until friday morning | 21:35 |
| jefferai | as painful as this sounds, could you do them on your Eee? | 21:36 |
| Nightrose | don't even have ooo installed on it since there is no space for it | 21:36 |
| Nightrose | :/ | 21:36 |
| jefferai | oh | 21:36 |
| jefferai | hm | 21:36 |
| jefferai | other ideas: buy the cheapest video card you can find and try swapping the one you have out | 21:37 |
| jefferai | perhaps trying nvidia instead | 21:37 |
| * shadeslayer thinks its packaging issues now | 21:37 | |
| jefferai | usually you can get really old low-end cards for a pittance | 21:37 |
| jefferai | shadeslayer: unless it's problems with newer versions of software | 21:37 |
| shadeslayer | jefferai: amarok-kde4 was removed | 21:37 |
| shadeslayer | Nightrose: your upgrading from 9.10? | 21:38 |
| Nightrose | yes | 21:38 |
| jefferai | shadeslayer: what about the command johanbr mentioned before, but ignoring deps? | 21:39 |
| shadeslayer | Nightrose: try sudo apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg --list-installed` | 21:40 |
| Nightrose | k | 21:40 |
| Nightrose | couldn't find package dpgk --listinstalled | 21:40 |
| Nightrose | oh sec | 21:41 |
| Nightrose | hmm yea | 21:41 |
| Nightrose | couldn't find package dpgk --listinstalled | 21:41 |
| shadeslayer | Nightrose: list-installed | 21:43 |
| jefferai | shadeslayer: I wouldn't attempt my dpkg line | 21:43 |
| shadeslayer | missing a - there | 21:43 |
| jefferai | since I don't use dpkg | 21:43 |
| jefferai | and have no idea what options are there | 21:43 |
| Nightrose | shadeslayer: same | 21:44 |
| shadeslayer | Nightrose: do | 21:45 |
| shadeslayer | *doh | 21:45 |
| shadeslayer | not dpgk :P | 21:45 |
| shadeslayer | use dppkg | 21:46 |
| shadeslayer | uff... dpkg | 21:46 |
| * shadeslayer all confuzly | 21:46 | |
| jefferai | Nightrose: sudo apt-get -m --reinstall install $(dpkg -l |awk '/^i/{print $2}') | 21:47 |
| jefferai | the -m tells it to ignore missing packages | 21:47 |
| jefferai | this might allow it to continue without amarok-kde4 | 21:47 |
| Nightrose | \o/ | 21:47 |
| Nightrose | k | 21:47 |
| jefferai | and when the offending package that needs amarok-kde4 is reinstalled hopefully the dep will be cleared | 21:47 |
| Nightrose | hmmm still complaining about amarok-kde4 | 21:48 |
| shadeslayer | Nightrose: im off to sleep.. | 21:48 |
| jefferai | Nightrose: try adding -f | 21:48 |
| Nightrose | good night shadeslayer | 21:48 |
| Nightrose | k | 21:48 |
| jefferai | does it say *which* package complains about amarok-kde4? | 21:48 |
| shadeslayer | Nightrose: i really hope it gets fixed | 21:48 |
| Nightrose | nope | 21:48 |
| Nightrose | -f doesn't help either | 21:49 |
| Nightrose | mpfh | 21:49 |
| * jefferai is surprised that packages depend on amarok, not the other way around | 21:49 | |
| Nightrose | referred to - might not actually be a dependency | 21:50 |
| jefferai | oh | 21:50 |
| Nightrose | *shrug* | 21:50 |
| shadeslayer | amarok-kde4 was removed | 21:50 |
| jefferai | dpkg -C ? | 21:50 |
| shadeslayer | so what ever was using it needs to be replaced as well | 21:50 |
| shadeslayer | Nightrose: do you have good bandwidth ? | 21:50 |
| Nightrose | oksih | 21:50 |
| Nightrose | *okish | 21:50 |
| shadeslayer | Nightrose: is it ok if i reinstall KDE ? | 21:51 |
| jefferai | Nightrose: try dpkg -C | 21:51 |
| shadeslayer | like as in you remove whole of KDE and reinstall it | 21:51 |
| jefferai | it's the same as dpkg --audit | 21:51 |
| Nightrose | jefferai: k | 21:51 |
| jefferai | maybe it'll print something useful | 21:51 |
| Nightrose | shadeslayer: sure... | 21:51 |
| Nightrose | jefferai: nothing | 21:51 |
| jefferai | meh | 21:52 |
| shadeslayer | Nightrose: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome | 21:52 |
| Nightrose | indeed | 21:52 |
| shadeslayer | remove KDE packages and then install kubuntu-desktop | 21:52 |
| Nightrose | uff - lot's to type... | 21:53 |
| shadeslayer | Nightrose: oh noes | 21:53 |
| jefferai | Nightrose: try one more thing -- go to /var/lib/dpkg | 21:54 |
| jefferai | grep -ri amarok * | 21:54 |
| Nightrose | k | 21:54 |
| shadeslayer | jefferai: you seem to know alot,even tho you dont have *buntu ;) | 21:55 |
| jefferai | shadeslayer: I just SSHed into a buntu box at work | 21:55 |
| shadeslayer | nice | 21:55 |
| shadeslayer | jefferai: ( manpages can be found online as well ;) ) | 21:55 |
| shadeslayer | manpages.ubuntu.com | 21:55 |
| Nightrose | jefferai: there is just a dpkg.log file - no folder | 21:55 |
| jefferai | Nightrose: better idea: | 21:55 |
| jefferai | cd /var/lib/apt | 21:56 |
| jefferai | grep -ri amarok-kde4 | 21:56 |
| jefferai | it should show files nin lists/ | 21:56 |
| shadeslayer | jefferai: dude... cant you ssh into Nightrose's box? | 21:56 |
| jefferai | dunno | 21:56 |
| jefferai | that's up to her | 21:56 |
| shadeslayer | if that can be done.. | 21:56 |
| shadeslayer | then you can directly copy paste the command | 21:56 |
| jefferai | also I have to leave soon | 21:56 |
| Nightrose | sure | 21:56 |
| jefferai | :-| | 21:56 |
| shadeslayer | :( | 21:56 |
| Nightrose | though i'm behind a router - not sure if that'll work | 21:57 |
| jefferai | ah | 21:57 |
| jefferai | sec | 21:57 |
| shadeslayer | jefferai: i think that its due to loads of stupid packages that got left behind from 9.10 | 21:58 |
| johanbr | Nightrose, hmm... try "dpkg -l |awk '/^i/{print $2}' >/tmp/a" | 22:00 |
| johanbr | then "nano /tmp/a" to remove any troublesome packages | 22:00 |
| johanbr | then "sudo apt-get --reinstall install $(cat /tmp/a)" | 22:01 |
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