[00:03] alf__: And with mesa 7.9 we'll probably just ship MesaLib in the mesa source package, because mesa-demos has now got a separate repository. [02:37] superm1, was there ever a problem with shared libs in the nvidia blob package conflicting with mesa dev packages, specifically regarding building mythtv? [05:31] bjsnider, not as far as i'm aware [05:31] there it some stuff in debian/control for mythtv to allow it to build on older (9.04) packages where vdpau wasn't yet standalone [05:32] but nothing about mesa that i can think [05:32] is there aproblem? [06:10] Dear i915: More working, less deadlocking in i915_gem_madvise_ioctl! [09:13] hi ubuntu X-ers. i'm running lucid on intel graphics and cannot get an external screen to work (it shows "input signal out of range"). xrandr output looks reasonable. same screen worked on lucid+ATI on another machine. [10:10] Hi all! It seems that egl.pc in libegl1-mesa-dev contains a "Requires.private" to "libdrm, dri2proto ...". [10:11] Shouldn't the libegl1-mesa-dev package depend on the -dev packages containing the associated "libdrm, dri2proto ..." .pc files? [10:30] alf__: Yes. [10:35] RAOF: I can create a patch for this if you are not working on it already [10:36] I'm not working on it already; if you want to create a patch I'll apply it for the next upload, or I can make the changes myself in the next upload. [10:39] RAOF: I'll create a patch then to save you the trouble :) === schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm [10:46] RAOF: Is mesa 7.9 targeted for maverick? [10:48] alf__: Yes. [10:48] RAOF: great, thanks [11:32] * jcristau sighs at the 20MB MesaDemos tarball [11:34] RAOF: would you mind if i accidentally rm'ed progs/objviewer before creating mesa_7.8.2.orig.tar.gz? [12:43] RAOF: Should I add versioned dependencies to libegl1-mesa-dev eg libdrm-dev (>= 2.4.19) [!hurd-i386] vs just libdrm-dev? [12:59] superm1, one of the mythtv developers was saying to me in an email that he ahd to move some of the shared ibs in the nvidia driver into the -dev package because they conflict with some other -dev packages required to build mythtv [15:25] federico1: have you seen our emails on input rotation? [15:45] bjsnider, on what, maverick? [15:46] bjsnider, i'm still perplexed, can you reproduce his problem? [16:33] bjsnider, it might be best to get all of this stuff on a bug [17:08] superm1, no, on one of the older distros [17:35] bjsnider, how much older? [17:36] olde than lucid, that's all i know. i don't have many specifics. [17:37] i don't think nvidia-glx-xxx-dev has ever had any shared libs in it though. so i don't know how myth was being built in the past if this was a problem [17:50] bjsnider, well if the details show up on a bug, can try to reproduce it on a current version [17:50] otherwise, won't fix most likely for the older one === asac__ is now known as asac [20:11] Sarvatt: around? [20:28] hi,whats the default open source driver for ATi cards on Ubuntu? [20:40] shadeslayer, the -ati driver [20:41] johanbr: ok.. btw any idea on how to get the kernel to boot one step at a time? [20:41] I'm not sure what you mean by that [20:41] johanbr: we have a issue in #kubuntu-devel ... would be helpful if you can join [20:42] related to g/kdm [20:42] Nightrose: ^^ [20:42] didnt realise you were here ;) [20:42] 'lo [20:43] So Nightrose upgraded her system from 9.10 to 10.04 and now k/gdm hangs up [20:43] (upgrade failed due to computer restarting in the middle of it...) [20:43] i finished it from command line then [20:46] hmm... anything in the logs? [20:46] johanbr: the system freezes up.. [20:46] she can only access the recovery console [20:47] johanbr: afaik dmesg gets erased after every boot [20:47] johanbr: ATi card btw [20:48] http://pastebin.com/5W7qAtcN << hwinfo --framebuffer [20:49] anything in /var/log/gdm/* ? [20:50] i'll check - can take a while [20:52] and does "sudo startx" work? [20:52] johanbr: sudo startx ? [20:53] yes [20:54] johanbr: there are a few files in that folder - which one do i want? [20:55] :0.log is probably most interesting [20:56] k [20:58] johanbr: pastebin.com/zBuKSZvr [21:00] shadeslayer: sup [21:00] jefferai: johanbr is helping with the issues [21:00] well, trying to anyway :) [21:01] johanbr: is there a way to step through the services that are being started during bootup? [21:01] so that the exact service that ends up causing the hang can be pinpointed? [21:04] jefferai, not that I know of [21:04] :-| [21:05] johanbr: the hang occurs even when X is not being used [21:05] Nightrose: right? [21:05] I didn't realize there was a hang [21:05] jefferai: well if i have it use gdm it doesn't seem to come up - before with kdm it did [21:06] try booting without "splash" and "quiet" and see what the last thing printed is [21:06] it did = X came up [21:06] Nightrose: right, but didn't you say that if you disabled X entirely that it still hung? [21:07] jefferai: i don't really know how to do that - except for booting into recovery mode [21:07] where it doesn't hang [21:07] but that doesn't say much i guess [21:07] so everything works except X? [21:08] johanbr: i don't know for sure tbh... - X at least starts when i have it set to start kdm [21:08] johanbr: apparently X starts -> KDM starts -> everything hangs [21:08] yes [21:09] did you try "sudo startx" ? [21:11] screen turns black with non-blinking cursor at top right [21:14] definitely sounds like some X package is busted, then [21:14] jefferai: aha! :D [21:15] ( and yes thats meant for jefferai :P ) [21:15] johanbr: any ideas what to do about it? or where to look for more info? [21:16] maybe try "sudo apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg-core" [21:16] shadeslayer: ? [21:16] jefferai: i told you it was a X bug :D [21:16] well.. not exactly x but x related :P [21:17] shadeslayer: I didn't disagree about it being an x bug [21:17] I said I wasn't convinced it was a video driver bug [21:17] you didnt agree either ;) [21:17] I like to keep options open when debugging [21:17] especially debugging distros I don't use [21:18] jefferai: ok.. im just playing with you ;) [21:18] :-) [21:18] * shadeslayer is really gratefull to jefferai [21:19] *grateful [21:21] :-) [21:21] *hugs* [21:23] johanbr: ok can startx from recovery mode - shows login sequenze to kde then freezes somewhere in the middle of it [21:24] Nightrose, alright... I guess try the same thing for KDE then [21:24] Nightrose: ksplash comes online? [21:24] "sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdebase" or something similar [21:24] Nightrose: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdebase kdelibs [21:25] shadeslayer: jep until it freezes ;-) [21:25] ok [21:25] * jefferai wonders if there is a way to simply reinstall all of the packages in the system [21:25] Nightrose: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdebase kdelibs5 actually [21:25] like an "emerge -e world" on gentoo :-) [21:25] k [21:25] heh [21:25] jefferai: sudo apt-get --reinstall install * :P [21:25] * Nightrose ponders doing that [21:25] nice [21:25] heh [21:25] bad idea? [21:26] sudo is for wimps [21:26] su - [21:26] and run wild [21:26] :-D [21:26] :P [21:26] I don't think * works [21:26] johanbr: would that be a bad idea? [21:26] sudo apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg --list-installed` [21:26] or something like that? [21:26] * jefferai doesn't know dpkg options [21:27] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=658670 [21:27] you could do "sudo apt-get --reinstall install $(dpkg -l |awk '/^i/{print $2}')" [21:28] should be fine, except it'll take quite a while [21:28] sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdebase kdelibs5 didn't help [21:28] ok [21:28] well i wasted lots of hours already... one or two more don't hurt at this point [21:28] OK, here's another question for you *buntu guys [21:29] Nightrose: well.. try the command johanbr gave [21:29] could it be a stale configuration file? [21:29] yeaĆ¼ [21:29] *yea [21:29] that should have been removed/upgraded, but wsn't? [21:29] only one way to find out [21:30] sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a :P [21:30] certainly possible, but a stale config file shouldn't cause the system to hang completely (in most cases) [21:30] my guess would be a broken driver or library somewhere [21:30] * jefferai could see it with something udev related, or loading the wrong driver or with the wrong options in X [21:32] * shadeslayer has to go to sleep now [21:33] Nightrose: your almost done i think :D [21:33] heh [21:33] Well [21:33] almost done with the things you can do :-) [21:33] johanbr: that stops because amarok-kde4 has not installation candidate [21:33] amarok kde4 0_o [21:34] ait - s/no installation candidate/is not available but is reffered to by another package [21:34] *wait [21:35] *sigh* :( [21:35] i wasted 2 nights on this already [21:35] and i don't see how i can finish my 3 talks this way until friday morning [21:36] as painful as this sounds, could you do them on your Eee? [21:36] don't even have ooo installed on it since there is no space for it [21:36] :/ [21:36] oh [21:36] hm [21:37] other ideas: buy the cheapest video card you can find and try swapping the one you have out [21:37] perhaps trying nvidia instead [21:37] * shadeslayer thinks its packaging issues now [21:37] usually you can get really old low-end cards for a pittance [21:37] shadeslayer: unless it's problems with newer versions of software [21:37] jefferai: amarok-kde4 was removed [21:38] Nightrose: your upgrading from 9.10? [21:38] yes [21:39] shadeslayer: what about the command johanbr mentioned before, but ignoring deps? [21:40] Nightrose: try sudo apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg --list-installed` [21:40] k [21:40] couldn't find package dpgk --listinstalled [21:41] oh sec [21:41] hmm yea [21:41] couldn't find package dpgk --listinstalled [21:43] Nightrose: list-installed [21:43] shadeslayer: I wouldn't attempt my dpkg line [21:43] missing a - there [21:43] since I don't use dpkg [21:43] and have no idea what options are there [21:44] shadeslayer: same [21:45] Nightrose: do [21:45] *doh [21:45] not dpgk :P [21:46] use dppkg [21:46] uff... dpkg [21:46] * shadeslayer all confuzly [21:47] Nightrose: sudo apt-get -m --reinstall install $(dpkg -l |awk '/^i/{print $2}') [21:47] the -m tells it to ignore missing packages [21:47] this might allow it to continue without amarok-kde4 [21:47] \o/ [21:47] k [21:47] and when the offending package that needs amarok-kde4 is reinstalled hopefully the dep will be cleared [21:48] hmmm still complaining about amarok-kde4 [21:48] Nightrose: im off to sleep.. [21:48] Nightrose: try adding -f [21:48] good night shadeslayer [21:48] k [21:48] does it say *which* package complains about amarok-kde4? [21:48] Nightrose: i really hope it gets fixed [21:48] nope [21:49] -f doesn't help either [21:49] mpfh [21:49] * jefferai is surprised that packages depend on amarok, not the other way around [21:50] referred to - might not actually be a dependency [21:50] oh [21:50] *shrug* [21:50] amarok-kde4 was removed [21:50] dpkg -C ? [21:50] so what ever was using it needs to be replaced as well [21:50] Nightrose: do you have good bandwidth ? [21:50] oksih [21:50] *okish [21:51] Nightrose: is it ok if i reinstall KDE ? [21:51] Nightrose: try dpkg -C [21:51] like as in you remove whole of KDE and reinstall it [21:51] it's the same as dpkg --audit [21:51] jefferai: k [21:51] maybe it'll print something useful [21:51] shadeslayer: sure... [21:51] jefferai: nothing [21:52] meh [21:52] Nightrose: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome [21:52] indeed [21:52] remove KDE packages and then install kubuntu-desktop [21:53] uff - lot's to type... [21:53] Nightrose: oh noes [21:54] Nightrose: try one more thing -- go to /var/lib/dpkg [21:54] grep -ri amarok * [21:54] k [21:55] jefferai: you seem to know alot,even tho you dont have *buntu ;) [21:55] shadeslayer: I just SSHed into a buntu box at work [21:55] nice [21:55] jefferai: ( manpages can be found online as well ;) ) [21:55] manpages.ubuntu.com [21:55] jefferai: there is just a dpkg.log file - no folder [21:55] Nightrose: better idea: [21:56] cd /var/lib/apt [21:56] grep -ri amarok-kde4 [21:56] it should show files nin lists/ [21:56] jefferai: dude... cant you ssh into Nightrose's box? [21:56] dunno [21:56] that's up to her [21:56] if that can be done.. [21:56] then you can directly copy paste the command [21:56] also I have to leave soon [21:56] sure [21:56] :-| [21:56] :( [21:57] though i'm behind a router - not sure if that'll work [21:57] ah [21:57] sec [21:58] jefferai: i think that its due to loads of stupid packages that got left behind from 9.10 [22:00] Nightrose, hmm... try "dpkg -l |awk '/^i/{print $2}' >/tmp/a" [22:00] then "nano /tmp/a" to remove any troublesome packages [22:01] then "sudo apt-get --reinstall install $(cat /tmp/a)"