[00:03] <RAOF> alf__: And with mesa 7.9 we'll probably just ship MesaLib in the mesa source package, because mesa-demos has now got a separate repository.
[02:37] <bjsnider> superm1, was there ever a problem with shared libs in the nvidia blob package conflicting with mesa dev packages, specifically regarding building mythtv?
[05:31] <superm1> bjsnider, not as far as i'm aware
[05:31] <superm1> there it some stuff in debian/control for mythtv to allow it to build on older (9.04) packages where vdpau wasn't yet standalone
[05:32] <superm1> but nothing about mesa that i can think
[05:32] <superm1> is there aproblem?
[06:10] <RAOF> Dear i915: More working, less deadlocking in i915_gem_madvise_ioctl!
[09:13] <diverse_izzue> hi ubuntu X-ers. i'm running lucid on intel graphics and cannot get an external screen to work (it shows "input signal out of range"). xrandr output looks reasonable. same screen worked on lucid+ATI on another machine.
[10:10] <alf__> Hi all! It seems that egl.pc in libegl1-mesa-dev contains a "Requires.private" to "libdrm, dri2proto ...".
[10:11] <alf__> Shouldn't the libegl1-mesa-dev package depend on the -dev packages containing the associated "libdrm, dri2proto ..." .pc files?
[10:30] <RAOF> alf__: Yes.
[10:35] <alf__> RAOF: I can create a patch for this if you are not working on it already
[10:36] <RAOF> I'm not working on it already; if you want to create a patch I'll apply it for the next upload, or I can make the changes myself in the next upload.
[10:39] <alf__> RAOF: I'll create a patch then to save you the trouble :)
[10:46] <alf__> RAOF: Is mesa 7.9 targeted for maverick?
[10:48] <RAOF> alf__: Yes.
[10:48] <alf__> RAOF: great, thanks
[11:32]  * jcristau sighs at the 20MB MesaDemos tarball
[11:34] <jcristau> RAOF: would you mind if i accidentally rm'ed progs/objviewer before creating mesa_7.8.2.orig.tar.gz?
[12:43] <alf__> RAOF: Should I add versioned dependencies to libegl1-mesa-dev eg libdrm-dev (>= 2.4.19) [!hurd-i386] vs just libdrm-dev?
[12:59] <bjsnider> superm1, one of the mythtv developers was saying to me in an email that he ahd to move some of the shared ibs in the nvidia driver into the -dev package because they conflict with some other -dev packages required to build mythtv
[15:25] <tseliot> federico1: have you seen our emails on input rotation?
[15:45] <superm1> bjsnider, on what, maverick?
[15:46] <superm1> bjsnider, i'm still perplexed, can you reproduce his problem?
[16:33] <superm1> bjsnider, it might be best to get all of this stuff on a bug 
[17:08] <bjsnider> superm1, no, on one of the older distros
[17:35] <superm1> bjsnider, how much older?
[17:36] <bjsnider> olde than lucid, that's all i know. i don't have many specifics.
[17:37] <bjsnider> i don't think nvidia-glx-xxx-dev has ever had any shared libs in it though. so i don't know how myth was being built in the past if this was a problem
[17:50] <superm1> bjsnider, well if the details show up on a bug, can try to reproduce it on a current version
[17:50] <superm1> otherwise, won't fix most likely for the older one
[20:11] <shadeslayer> Sarvatt: around?
[20:28] <shadeslayer> hi,whats the default open source driver for ATi cards on Ubuntu?
[20:40] <johanbr> shadeslayer, the -ati driver
[20:41] <shadeslayer> johanbr: ok.. btw any idea on how to get the kernel to boot one step at a time?
[20:41] <johanbr> I'm not sure what you mean by that
[20:41] <shadeslayer> johanbr: we have a issue in #kubuntu-devel ... would be helpful if you can join
[20:42] <shadeslayer> related to g/kdm
[20:42] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: ^^
[20:42] <shadeslayer> didnt realise you were here ;)
[20:42] <Nightrose> 'lo
[20:43] <shadeslayer> So Nightrose upgraded her system from 9.10 to 10.04 and now k/gdm hangs up 
[20:43] <Nightrose> (upgrade failed due to computer restarting in the middle of it...)
[20:43] <Nightrose> i finished it from command line then
[20:46] <johanbr> hmm... anything in the logs?
[20:46] <shadeslayer> johanbr: the system freezes up..
[20:46] <shadeslayer> she can only access the recovery console
[20:47] <shadeslayer> johanbr: afaik dmesg gets erased after every boot
[20:47] <shadeslayer> johanbr: ATi card btw
[20:48] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/5W7qAtcN << hwinfo --framebuffer
[20:49] <johanbr> anything in /var/log/gdm/* ?
[20:50] <Nightrose> i'll check - can take a while
[20:52] <johanbr> and does "sudo startx" work?
[20:52] <shadeslayer> johanbr: sudo startx ?
[20:53] <johanbr> yes
[20:54] <Nightrose> johanbr: there are a few files in that folder - which one do i want?
[20:55] <johanbr> :0.log is probably most interesting
[20:56] <Nightrose> k
[20:58] <Nightrose> johanbr: pastebin.com/zBuKSZvr
[21:00] <jefferai> shadeslayer: sup
[21:00] <shadeslayer> jefferai: johanbr is helping with the issues 
[21:00] <johanbr> well, trying to anyway :)
[21:01] <jefferai> johanbr: is there a way to step through the services that are being started during bootup?
[21:01] <jefferai> so that the exact service that ends up causing the hang can be pinpointed?
[21:04] <johanbr> jefferai, not that I know of
[21:04] <jefferai> :-|
[21:05] <jefferai> johanbr: the hang occurs even when X is not being used
[21:05] <jefferai> Nightrose: right?
[21:05] <johanbr> I didn't realize there was a hang
[21:05] <Nightrose> jefferai: well if i have it use gdm it doesn't seem to come up - before with kdm it did
[21:06] <johanbr> try booting without "splash" and "quiet" and see what the last thing printed is
[21:06] <Nightrose> it did = X came up
[21:06] <jefferai> Nightrose: right, but didn't you say that if you disabled X entirely that it still hung?
[21:07] <Nightrose> jefferai: i don't really know how to do that - except for booting into recovery mode
[21:07] <Nightrose> where it doesn't hang
[21:07] <Nightrose> but that doesn't say much i guess
[21:07] <johanbr> so everything works except X?
[21:08] <Nightrose> johanbr: i don't know for sure tbh... - X at least starts when i have it set to start kdm
[21:08] <shadeslayer> johanbr: apparently X starts -> KDM starts -> everything hangs
[21:08] <Nightrose> yes
[21:09] <johanbr> did you try "sudo startx" ?
[21:11] <Nightrose> screen turns black with non-blinking cursor at top right
[21:14] <johanbr> definitely sounds like some X package is busted, then
[21:14] <shadeslayer> jefferai: aha! :D
[21:15] <shadeslayer> ( and yes thats meant for jefferai :P )
[21:15] <Nightrose> johanbr: any ideas what to do about it? or where to look for more info?
[21:16] <johanbr> maybe try "sudo apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg-core"
[21:16] <jefferai> shadeslayer: ?
[21:16] <shadeslayer> jefferai: i told you it was a X bug :D
[21:16] <shadeslayer> well.. not exactly x but x related :P
[21:17] <jefferai> shadeslayer: I didn't disagree about it being an x bug
[21:17] <jefferai> I said I wasn't convinced it was a video driver bug
[21:17] <shadeslayer> you didnt agree either ;)
[21:17] <jefferai> I like to keep options open when debugging
[21:17] <jefferai> especially debugging distros I don't use
[21:18] <shadeslayer> jefferai: ok.. im just playing with you ;)
[21:18] <jefferai> :-)
[21:18]  * shadeslayer is really gratefull to jefferai
[21:19] <shadeslayer> *grateful 
[21:21] <jefferai> :-)
[21:21] <jefferai> *hugs*
[21:23] <Nightrose> johanbr: ok can startx from recovery mode - shows login sequenze to kde then freezes somewhere in the middle of it
[21:24] <johanbr> Nightrose, alright... I guess try the same thing for KDE then
[21:24] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: ksplash comes online?
[21:24] <johanbr> "sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdebase" or something similar
[21:24] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdebase kdelibs
[21:25] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: jep until it freezes ;-)
[21:25] <Nightrose> ok
[21:25]  * jefferai wonders if there is a way to simply reinstall all of the packages in the system
[21:25] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdebase kdelibs5 actually
[21:25] <jefferai> like an "emerge -e world" on gentoo :-)
[21:25] <Nightrose> k
[21:25] <Nightrose> heh
[21:25] <shadeslayer> jefferai: sudo apt-get --reinstall install * :P
[21:25]  * Nightrose ponders doing that
[21:25] <jefferai> nice
[21:25] <jefferai> heh
[21:25] <Nightrose> bad idea?
[21:26] <jefferai> sudo is for wimps
[21:26] <jefferai> su - 
[21:26] <jefferai> and run wild
[21:26] <jefferai> :-D
[21:26] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:26] <johanbr> I don't think * works
[21:26] <shadeslayer> johanbr: would that be a bad idea?
[21:26] <jefferai> sudo apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg --list-installed`
[21:26] <jefferai> or something like that?
[21:26]  * jefferai doesn't know dpkg options
[21:27] <shadeslayer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=658670
[21:27] <johanbr> you could do "sudo apt-get --reinstall install $(dpkg -l |awk '/^i/{print $2}')"
[21:28] <johanbr> should be fine, except it'll take quite a while
[21:28] <Nightrose> sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdebase kdelibs5 didn't help
[21:28] <Nightrose> ok
[21:28] <Nightrose> well i wasted lots of hours already... one or two more don't hurt at this point
[21:28] <jefferai> OK, here's another question for you *buntu guys
[21:29] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: well.. try the command johanbr gave
[21:29] <jefferai> could it be a stale configuration file?
[21:29] <Nightrose> yeaü
[21:29] <Nightrose> *yea
[21:29] <jefferai> that should have been removed/upgraded, but wsn't?
[21:29] <shadeslayer> only one way to find out
[21:30] <shadeslayer> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a :P
[21:30] <johanbr> certainly possible, but a stale config file shouldn't cause the system to hang completely (in most cases)
[21:30] <johanbr> my guess would be a broken driver or library somewhere
[21:30]  * jefferai could see it with something udev related, or loading the wrong driver or with the wrong options in X
[21:32]  * shadeslayer has to go to sleep now
[21:33] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: your almost done i think :D
[21:33] <Nightrose> heh
[21:33] <jefferai> Well
[21:33] <jefferai> almost done with the things you can do :-)
[21:33] <Nightrose> johanbr: that stops because amarok-kde4 has not installation candidate
[21:33] <shadeslayer> amarok kde4 0_o
[21:34] <Nightrose> ait - s/no installation candidate/is not available but is reffered to by another package
[21:34] <Nightrose> *wait
[21:35] <Nightrose> *sigh* :(
[21:35] <Nightrose> i wasted 2 nights on this already 
[21:35] <Nightrose> and i don't see how i can finish my 3 talks this way until friday morning
[21:36] <jefferai> as painful as this sounds, could you do them on your Eee?
[21:36] <Nightrose> don't even have ooo installed on it since there is no space for it
[21:36] <Nightrose> :/
[21:36] <jefferai> oh
[21:36] <jefferai> hm
[21:37] <jefferai> other ideas: buy the cheapest video card you can find and try swapping the one you have out
[21:37] <jefferai> perhaps trying nvidia instead
[21:37]  * shadeslayer thinks its packaging issues now
[21:37] <jefferai> usually you can get really old low-end cards for a pittance
[21:37] <jefferai> shadeslayer: unless it's problems with newer versions of software
[21:37] <shadeslayer> jefferai: amarok-kde4 was removed
[21:38] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: your upgrading from 9.10?
[21:38] <Nightrose> yes
[21:39] <jefferai> shadeslayer: what about the command johanbr mentioned before, but ignoring deps?
[21:40] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: try sudo apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg --list-installed`
[21:40] <Nightrose> k
[21:40] <Nightrose> couldn't find package dpgk --listinstalled
[21:41] <Nightrose> oh sec
[21:41] <Nightrose> hmm yea
[21:41] <Nightrose> couldn't find package dpgk --listinstalled
[21:43] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: list-installed
[21:43] <jefferai> shadeslayer: I wouldn't attempt my dpkg line
[21:43] <shadeslayer> missing a - there
[21:43] <jefferai> since I don't use dpkg
[21:43] <jefferai> and have no idea what options are there
[21:44] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: same
[21:45] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: do
[21:45] <shadeslayer> *doh
[21:45] <shadeslayer> not dpgk :P
[21:46] <shadeslayer> use dppkg
[21:46] <shadeslayer> uff... dpkg
[21:46]  * shadeslayer all confuzly
[21:47] <jefferai> Nightrose: sudo apt-get -m --reinstall install $(dpkg -l |awk '/^i/{print $2}')
[21:47] <jefferai> the -m tells it to ignore missing packages
[21:47] <jefferai> this might allow it to continue without amarok-kde4
[21:47] <Nightrose> \o/
[21:47] <Nightrose> k
[21:47] <jefferai> and when the offending package that needs amarok-kde4 is reinstalled hopefully the dep will be cleared
[21:48] <Nightrose> hmmm still complaining about amarok-kde4
[21:48] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: im off to sleep.. 
[21:48] <jefferai> Nightrose: try adding -f
[21:48] <Nightrose> good night shadeslayer
[21:48] <Nightrose> k
[21:48] <jefferai> does it say *which* package complains about amarok-kde4?
[21:48] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: i really hope it gets fixed
[21:48] <Nightrose> nope
[21:49] <Nightrose> -f doesn't help either
[21:49] <Nightrose> mpfh
[21:49]  * jefferai is surprised that packages depend on amarok, not the other way around
[21:50] <Nightrose> referred to - might not actually be a dependency
[21:50] <jefferai> oh
[21:50] <Nightrose> *shrug*
[21:50] <shadeslayer> amarok-kde4 was removed
[21:50] <jefferai> dpkg -C ?
[21:50] <shadeslayer> so what ever was using it needs to be replaced as well
[21:50] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: do you have good bandwidth ?
[21:50] <Nightrose> oksih
[21:50] <Nightrose> *okish
[21:51] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: is it ok if i reinstall KDE ?
[21:51] <jefferai> Nightrose: try dpkg -C
[21:51] <shadeslayer> like  as in you remove whole of KDE and reinstall it
[21:51] <jefferai> it's the same as dpkg --audit
[21:51] <Nightrose> jefferai: k
[21:51] <jefferai> maybe it'll print something useful
[21:51] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: sure...
[21:51] <Nightrose> jefferai: nothing
[21:52] <jefferai> meh
[21:52] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[21:52] <Nightrose> indeed
[21:52] <shadeslayer> remove KDE packages and then install kubuntu-desktop
[21:53] <Nightrose> uff - lot's to type...
[21:53] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: oh noes
[21:54] <jefferai> Nightrose: try one more thing -- go to /var/lib/dpkg
[21:54] <jefferai> grep -ri amarok *
[21:54] <Nightrose> k
[21:55] <shadeslayer> jefferai: you seem to know alot,even tho you dont have *buntu ;)
[21:55] <jefferai> shadeslayer: I just SSHed into a buntu box at work
[21:55] <shadeslayer> nice
[21:55] <shadeslayer> jefferai: ( manpages can be found online as well ;) )
[21:55] <shadeslayer> manpages.ubuntu.com
[21:55] <Nightrose> jefferai: there is just a dpkg.log file - no folder
[21:55] <jefferai> Nightrose: better idea: 
[21:56] <jefferai> cd /var/lib/apt
[21:56] <jefferai> grep -ri amarok-kde4
[21:56] <jefferai> it should show files nin lists/
[21:56] <shadeslayer> jefferai: dude... cant you ssh into Nightrose's box?
[21:56] <jefferai> dunno
[21:56] <jefferai> that's up to her
[21:56] <shadeslayer> if that can be done..
[21:56] <shadeslayer> then you can directly copy paste the command
[21:56] <jefferai> also I have to leave soon
[21:56] <Nightrose> sure
[21:56] <jefferai> :-|
[21:56] <shadeslayer> :(
[21:57] <Nightrose> though i'm behind a router - not sure if that'll work
[21:57] <jefferai> ah
[21:57] <jefferai> sec
[21:58] <shadeslayer> jefferai: i think that its due to loads of stupid packages that got left behind from 9.10
[22:00] <johanbr> Nightrose, hmm... try "dpkg -l |awk '/^i/{print $2}' >/tmp/a"
[22:00] <johanbr> then "nano /tmp/a" to remove any troublesome packages
[22:01] <johanbr> then "sudo apt-get --reinstall install $(cat /tmp/a)"