[14:28] <doctormo> mpt: Did you send a message to the starfish team? Can't seem to approve it, disappeared.
[14:29] <mpt> doctormo, yes, just now
[14:29] <mpt> feel free to forward it on
[14:29] <doctormo> mpt: If I ever get it, nothing yet.
[14:29] <doctormo> I just got the admin message saying it was queued.
[14:30] <mpt> joy
[14:30] <mpt> doctormo, https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg03182.html
[14:33] <doctormo> mpt: Ah thanks, yes I see your points. Seahorse is really a different tool, it looks after keys and well bureaucracy removal is the job at hand, all that end to end is either platform or application.
[14:35] <mpt> doctormo, be fearless and cross the application boundaries with your designs. Otherwise we'll just have years more of the status quo, e.g. ~0% of e-mail being encrypted.
[14:36] <mpt> doctormo, <http://www.templetons.com/brad/crypt.html> may provide some inspiration on that particular use case.
[14:38] <doctormo> mpt: I'd like to do as you suggest and have the use cases end to end, but I'd also like to consider the edu and discoverability cases which seem to be missing from most use cases (which assume the objective is encryption).
[15:04] <qense> good afternoon
[15:40] <and471> tedg: I shall speak to you here then
[15:40] <and471> tedg, I am using vala/genie to implement an appindicator
[15:41] <and471> tedg, I am subclassing the appindicator and I have got it to work except one thing
[15:41] <and471> tedg, it doesn't show
[15:41] <and471> tedg, the code is here lp:~and471/+junk/not-working
[15:42] <and471> tedg, basically, the weird thing is that when I put all the functions in the init of the subclass into a function, and then call with Gtk.main() - it works
[15:42] <and471> tedg, the people on the vala mailing list said it might be worthwile compiling to C and then showing it to you, to see if you could see a problem
[15:42] <and471> tedg, would this be useful?
[15:43] <tedg> and471, Uhm, yes.  But first ensure that you're setting the status.  The default is PASSIVE, which means it won't show.
[15:47] <and471> tedg, yes that is set, I have uploaded the C files to this branch, along with the genie code
[15:48] <and471> tedg, https://code.launchpad.net/~and471/+junk/not-working
[15:49] <and471> tedg, by the way, you only really need to look at main.c and indicator.c
[15:55] <tedg> and471, Hmm, nothing stands out.  Let me look a little more.
[15:55] <and471> tedg, thankyou for this :-)
[16:04] <jcastro> and471: what application are you working on? (out of curiosity)
[16:05] <and471> jcastro, https://launchpad.net/wasiliana
[16:05] <and471> jcastro, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/elementary-inspired-mail-client-looks.html and http://whyareyoureadingthisurl.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/introducing-the-wasiliana-mail-client/
[16:06] <jcastro> oh cool!
[16:06] <and471> :)
[16:14] <vish> hehe , just got a mail from someone writing ... the RB icon[app indicators] suck! :)
[16:14]  * vish sends links
[17:01] <tedg> gord, Could you look at and471 Vala code above?  I can't see any issue with it, but perhaps I'm missing something.
[17:01] <tedg> gord, He's trying to subclass AppIndicator
[17:02] <gord> lemme see what i can see
[17:08] <gord> i can't really see any problems, but then again i know almost nothing about genie. can't build it either because there is not valide on maverick
[17:11] <and471> gord, you don't need valide
[17:11] <and471> just use..
[17:12] <and471> valac --save-temps --pkg gtk+-2.0 --pkg gee-1.0 --pkg gobject-2.0 --pkg webkit-1.0 --pkg appindicator-0.1 --vapidir=../vapi main.gs indicator.gs main_window.gs
[17:37] <and471> tedj: any luck?
[17:37] <and471> tedg: any luck?
[18:15] <and471> vish, it just worked for me again
[18:15] <and471> installed ubuntu in VM
[18:15] <and471> opened SC
[18:16] <and471> installed artha
[18:16] <and471> opened artha
[18:16] <and471> it all worked
[18:17] <vish> and471: really odd , when i select the text it and ctrl+alt+w , it doesnt show the synonyms for me :s
[18:17] <and471> does the window appear?
[18:17] <and471> vish, the main window
[18:18] <and471> vish, does the notification icon appear?
[18:18] <vish> and471: nope , when i click the icon the window appears , but not when i highlight and press keycombo
[18:19] <and471> how strange..
[18:19] <and471> vish, what app do u use?
[18:20] <and471> vish, in what app do you highlight?
[18:20] <vish> and471: FF
[18:20] <and471> do you have the VM handy?
[18:20] <and471> vish, could you do it in gedit or something?
[18:20] <vish> and471: just a sec
[18:22] <and471> kl
[18:25] <vish> and471: nope , gedit , i typed , selected , crtl+alt+W > nada! ;)
[18:26] <and471> vish, ah well
[18:26] <and471> vish, gotta go now
[18:26] <and471> vish, see ya
[18:27] <vish> and471: cya