[00:26] <h00k> Are there known...like...severe performance issues with btrfs on a SSD?
[00:28] <h00k> I installed the daily alternate with SSD on my netbook and it took over 12 hours. Also, upgrades are taking a ridiculously long time today
[00:28] <patdk-lap> what ssd?
[00:28] <h00k> before, when I ran ext4, it was /way/ faster.
[00:28] <patdk-lap> random write is critical for btrfs
[00:28] <patdk-lap> and most ssd's are not optimized for that
[00:29] <patdk-lap> unless your buying enterprise grade
[00:29] <Daekdroom> I believe btrfs has a specific mount option for SSDs, doesn't it?
[00:29] <patdk-lap> it does
[00:29] <h00k> It's an ASUS-phison SSD
[00:29] <h00k> I bet I'm not using that, I didn't specifically set it when installing
[00:29] <patdk-lap> check fstab
[00:30] <h00k> UUID=UUID-IS-HERE-I-DONT-FEEL-LIKE-TYPING-IT /home btrfs defaults 0 2
[00:31] <h00k> same for /, except it's 0 1 for the last two.
[00:31] <h00k> /boot is ext2 defaults 0 2, but that isn't important
[00:32] <h00k> oh look, a convenient wiki: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Is_Btrfs_optimized_for_SSD.3F
[00:33] <h00k> -o ssd. where would that go in the fstab line?
[00:33] <h00k> UUID / btrfs -o ssd 0 1 //am I doin' it right?
[00:34] <h00k> ah, sans the -o, I bet.
[00:36] <h00k> patdk-lap: ^
[00:36] <patdk-lap> defaults,ssd
[00:37] <h00k> ah
[00:37] <h00k> we'll give this a shot
[00:38] <patdk-lap> how does your btrfs mount? from grub?
[00:38] <patdk-lap> is there a ro option on the kernel line in /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[00:38] <h00k> no, I don't think grub will. I made a 200mb /boot, ext2
[00:39] <patdk-lap> well, I am using ext4 /boot
[00:39] <h00k> separate /boot, /, and /home, / and /home are btrfs
[00:39] <patdk-lap> and btrfs root
[00:39] <patdk-lap> but the default is to mount root ro at first
[00:39] <patdk-lap> and that freaks my system out
[00:40] <h00k> I'd test it, but I'm waiting for my upgrades
[06:47] <robertzaccour> howdy
[06:48] <robertzaccour> anyone think that so far maverick is better than lucid in any way?
[06:48] <robertzaccour> i haven't tried it yet
[06:52] <robertzaccour> ....
[06:53] <robertzaccour> cricket, cricket cricket, cricket
[06:56] <ddecator> robertzaccour: slow time of day :)
[06:56] <robertzaccour> i know, i was being sarcastic with the crickets
[08:39] <mandara> will eclipse 3.6 get in repository for maverick?
[08:43] <ikonia> good question, have you looed whats in the current repos (if anything on it)
[08:45] <mandara> ikonia: 3.5.2 in maverick currently
[08:46] <ikonia> maybe worth speaking to the package maintainer now if you want a chance at getting it in
[08:50] <mandara> yup there is still a chance. Don't know how much time it takes to package it.
[08:55] <dupondje> the best chance is to get it into debian
[08:55] <dupondje> and then sync it :)
[09:06] <mandara> is there a command in apt to get maintainers email .Like: apt-cache show maintainers-email eclipse :)
[09:11] <ior3k> anyone know how to force mysql to start on boot? Since I installed postgres, I have to start mysql manually
[09:12] <ior3k> mandara: does "aptitude show eclipse | grep Maintainer" do what you need?
[09:14] <dupondje> mandara: I recommend you open a bugreport in debian, asking to package 3.6.0
[09:14] <dupondje> once its in debian, we should be able to sync without problems
[09:14] <BUGabundo_remote> morning! unleash the screw driver in you!!
[09:15] <mandara> ior3k: fkors. Thanx for tip!
[09:35] <MrSunshine> hmm
[09:35] <MrSunshine> got problems after latest firefox update :/
[09:35] <MrSunshine> i get the window but then it flat out hangs :(
[09:35] <MrSunshine> hmm
[09:35] <MrSunshine> works after i move the .mozilla folder
[09:39] <BUGabundo_remote> MrSunshine: and in safemode?
[09:59] <HappyNwb> Q: Is it possible to encrypt all traffic going in and out with an irc application, like xchat for instance on Ubuntu? This was meant to be a quick generalized question.
[10:00] <dupondje> A: SSL
[10:00] <HappyNwb> So the answer is yes+
[10:00] <HappyNwb> ?
[10:00] <dupondje> ye
[10:01] <HappyNwb> Thanks, i'll investigate this further.
[10:03] <HappyNwb> I also would like some feedback on Asus soundcard support, if anyone has a soundcard from Asus running and think it runs well on their Ubuntu machine.
[10:03] <HappyNwb> Just tossing the question out there.
[11:32] <Iraq> hi
[11:33] <HappyNwb> Welcome to the internet
[11:34] <BUGabundo_remote> humm
[11:35] <BUGabundo_remote> "iraq" is on autoban????
[11:35] <BUGabundo_remote> or is this one of those freenode banned word?!!?
[11:39] <gnomefreak> looks like he was muted not banned
[11:41] <BUGabundo_remote> ah
[11:48] <Enlik> welcome to america
[13:13] <BUGabundo_remote> is it just me, or is OOo 3.2 much faster starting?
[13:38] <ubuntujenkins> in evolution in mavrick can you change the tool bar to small? like it use to be
[14:04] <om26er> ubuntujenkins, seems like a bug...
[14:05] <ubuntujenkins> om26er: have you seen it or would you like a screenshot? I am just looking for a bud on launchpad
[14:05] <om26er> ubuntujenkins, I have seen it
[14:08] <ubuntujenkins> om26er: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/589644 is the bug on it nothing has been done by the looks of it
[14:13] <om26er> ubuntujenkins, does it happen with other themes?
[14:13] <ubuntujenkins> does with elementry which is what i am using
[14:13] <om26er> ubuntujenkins, in Lucid I am using evolution 2.30.2 I dont see it but in Maverick I see it
[14:14] <om26er> bug in gnome-icon-theme according to #evolution
[14:15] <ubuntujenkins> om26er: that is strange, a slighlty later version in lucid? I know they are the same number, may be a bug fix was sliped in
[14:15] <ubuntujenkins> o sweet thanks
[14:22] <ubuntujenkins> om26er: i just updated the gnome-icon-theme and the spam icon has been removed which fixes it
[14:22] <ubuntujenkins> you do have a blank button atm
[14:23] <om26er> ubuntujenkins, which version did you update to?
[14:24] <ubuntujenkins> 2.30.3-1ubuntu2
[14:30] <gnomefreak> gnome-icon-theme is no where the same version in Lucid -> Maverick
[15:26] <jan-pieter> I am currently faced with complete failure of ubuntu(10.10) at completely random moments. Most of the time every form of input completely stalls. I can't move the mouse, nothing on the keyboard work and pressing the power button has no effect what so ever. I can only reset my pc. Every now and then kernel panic occurs (15% of the times) and num-lock and caps-lock start flashing. If I'm...
[15:26] <jan-pieter> ...really lucky I can restart the X-server but that only postpones the lock-up for about 15-30 min. Where could I find info about this in the logs?
[15:49] <gnomefreak> jan-pieter: you are best to file a bug on that issue
[15:51] <gnomefreak> jan-pieter: file the bug using the command   ubuntu-bug linux   and that should give the kernel devs the info they need
[15:51] <gnomefreak> to at least start on the bug
[15:51] <jan-pieter> OK. I'll do that
[15:54] <jan-pieter> hmm the maximum is once a day but it occurs more frequently than that maybe it would be an idea to allow that?
[15:55] <gnomefreak> allow?
[15:55] <jan-pieter> well allow add an option
[15:55] <jan-pieter> probably just irrelevant
[16:00] <kroson> hi everyone, im willing to test maverick
[16:00] <kroson> is there any gnome 3.0 milestone on it?
[16:10] <om26er> define: gnome 3 :P
[16:11] <kroson> om26er: lol, will it be released with 10.10?
[16:13] <om26er> kroson, if you mean gnome shell i.e. the new interface, then, no. but also maverick is not expected to update all apps to 3.0 too.
[16:20] <kroson> om26er: ok tks
[16:21] <kroson> om26er: do you recommend the using of xorg-edgers ppa? for upgrading nouveau
[16:22] <om26er> kroson, that ppa broke my system for several times over the last month.
[16:22] <kroson> om26er: so, no lol
[16:22] <kroson> tks
[16:49] <kickingintender> what are the hot new features in alpha 2
[16:49] <kickingintender> due 2 release 2morrw
[16:50] <mrsun_> has alot of stuff changed from lucid to maverick ? :)
[16:51] <kickingintender> nothing much
[16:51] <kickingintender> only minor stuff
[16:51] <kickingintender> i like gimp going single window mode in next version
[16:52] <mrsun_> ahh single window gimp, then it might not be as "gimped" anymore )
[16:52] <mrsun_> =)
[16:52] <om26er> kickingintender, what do you expect to change panels move to right and left ;)
[16:56] <om26er> kickingintender, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/ubuntu-1010-so-far-in-339-words.html
[16:57]  * mrsun_ finds ubuntu wonderfull, stil some hand editing to be done here and there but most stuff just works .. just like i like it without windows :)
[17:04] <kickingintender> thats easy 2 change the panels back 2 right
[17:04] <kickingintender> i have already did that
[17:56] <kroson> can you guys give me a daily version that is working? today's one cant boot after installation :S
[17:57] <kroson> it states an error right after grub
[17:58] <kroson> but i can boot normally in live mode!
[18:35] <Dat001> hi all.
[18:36] <Dat001> why on a new installation of meerkat do i still need to download 300MB
[18:36] <jcastro> it means your iso is out of date probably
[18:37] <Dat001> thank you but downloaded it today
[18:37] <jcastro> there are usually tons of updates every day
[18:38] <Dat001> ok
[18:43] <Dat001> v0lv0_v5o
[19:52] <Daijoubu> guys is there a website or something with Maverik news? o-o
[19:55] <coz_> Daijoubu,   how about   http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/alpha1
[19:56] <Daijoubu> thanks
[19:57] <coz_> Daijoubu,  actually that link is in the channel topic as well :)
[19:57] <Daijoubu> coz_ not much news in there though :)
[19:58] <coz_> Daijoubu,  i think there is a link near the bottom for "Do you want to know more:"
[19:58] <coz_> Daijoubu,  but its still alpha  :)
[19:58] <coz_> I believe
[20:08] <Dat001> so is the mane meerkat  or maverick
[20:09] <Dat001> **name
[20:13] <Pici> !10.10
[20:58] <z0rt|work> i am running maverick on my netbook and recently my applications button on the sidebar is no longer there. any thoughts? i am unable to access anything.
[20:58] <z0rt|work> i can still pull up tty terminals etc
[20:59] <holstein> z0rt|work: this is the netbook remix?
[21:00] <z0rt|work> holstein: yes
[21:00] <holstein> hmmmm
[21:00] <holstein> can you login to gnome?
[21:00] <z0rt|work> yes
[21:01] <holstein> i would assume an update will fix that at some point
[21:01] <z0rt|work> i am updating now, hopefully it will
[21:01] <holstein> yeah, i wouuld try that first then
[21:26] <sebsebseb> Hi
[21:46] <dreamy_> if im not afrayd of loosing any data, is it ok to try ubuntu 10.10 alfa?
[21:46] <Daekdroom> dreamy_, if you're not afraid of having to reinstall, yes.
[21:46] <dreamy_> k , nice
[21:46] <Daekdroom> Liking to fix broken stuff is a plus if you want alpha software :D
[21:46] <dreamy_> Daekdroom: may it bring perfomance improvments ?
[21:47] <Daekdroom> dreamy_, yes, as well as performance regressions.
[21:47] <vish> hmm , is this error a known one for unity :
[21:47] <vish> Window manager warning: Log level 16: Could not load library [/usr/lib/mutter/plugins/libunity-mutter.so.0 (/usr/lib/mutter/plugins/libunity-mutter.so.0: undefined symbol: meta_window_is_maximized)]
[21:47] <dreamy_> Daekdroom: for this version u dont know ? it gets faster or slower?
[21:48] <dreamy_> ty for helping
[21:48] <Daekdroom> dreamy_, it usually gets faster here and slower there.
[21:48] <yofel> faster and slower is very vague, I think my graphics performance went down on my intel 945GME since Xserver 1.8
[21:48] <dreamy_> k
[21:48] <yofel> but it's fine in general
[21:49] <dreamy_> 9.10 with window maker on a 256 m pc.. gets slow :S
[21:49] <bcurtiswx3> hey all, i couldn't see any bug yet, but is it known that gcc and cpp are having dependency wars right now and won't install/upgrade
[21:50] <yofel> except for some weird bug where *something* wastes about 1GiB of RAM after boot until I reboot again immediately (I suspect ureadahead reprofiling)
[21:52] <kroson> hi
[21:53] <bcurtiswx3> cpp4.4 won't upgrade
[21:53] <bcurtiswx3> boo
[21:53] <kroson> im having an issue with my mouse cursor, it is constantly disappearing from the screen
[21:53] <kroson> is this a known bug? is there a fix for it?
[21:55] <bcurtiswx3> anyone else not able to upgrade cpp-4.4
[21:56] <yofel> bcurtiswx3: I'm just updating, will check in a moment
[21:56] <bcurtiswx3> yofel: muchas gracias
[21:58] <yofel> cpp-4.4:  Installed: 4.4.4-6ubuntu2
[21:58] <kroson> yofel bcurtiswx3 any of you have this bug?
[21:58] <yofel> amd64
[21:59] <yofel> not here
[21:59] <bcurtiswx3> kroson: not here, sry
[21:59] <kroson> x86 here, synaptics touchpad
[21:59] <kroson> didnt test with a normal mouse though but its a weird issue, other than that at this stage of development 10.10 is perfect for me
[22:00] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:02] <bcurtiswx3> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/457536
[22:03] <z0rt|work> my netbook's cursor goes crazy too
[22:03] <yofel> er, that could be a corrupt .deb file IMO, tried to delete it so apt fetches it again?
[22:04] <bcurtiswx3> how do I delete that specific one?
[22:04] <kroson> z0rt|work: its a normal notebook here, mine disappears like 2 seconds after i leave it
[22:05] <yofel> bcurtiswx3: the filename is mentioned on line 32, just do 'sudo rm ...' in a terminal
[22:08] <bcurtiswx3> yofel: thats it, thanks :)
[22:08] <yofel> np ;)
[22:24] <sarimurat> exit
[22:25] <kroson> im having an issue with my mouse cursor, it is constantly disappearing from the screen
[22:25] <kroson> does anybody know a fix for this bug?
[22:25] <kroson> tks :)
[22:26] <z0rt|work> holstein: after updating i am still having the same issue...no applications button on the icon panel
[22:28] <DarkNemesis> i am sick and tired of having to set up all the same accounts on different machines i have many yahoo, jabber and msn accounts etc, and i forget the passwords etc so end up having to change them and its really not fair cus when i have to change the passwords on the lappy the next time i boot the desktop the chat accounts wont load as i dont have the right passwords so have to change them again.... so, i have a request
[22:28] <DarkNemesis> please can you intergrate a way of syncing account details with ubuntu one
[22:29] <DarkNemesis> so that  you sign into ubuntu single sign on and then sync your data with ubuntu one - this would save having to change the passwords again
[22:29] <DarkNemesis> what do people think?
[22:32] <DrHalan> would be awesome
[22:32] <DrHalan> DarkNemesis: alternatively you can use jabber transports
[22:34] <DarkNemesis> DrHalan, ma and pa cant do that easy
[22:35] <charlie-tca> If ma and pa are changing passwords that often, why not put the same password on all the accounts for them?
[22:45] <DanaG> DarkNemesis: you could just symlink .purple (or such) into the UbuntuOne dir (or Dropbox).
[22:46] <DanaG> Say, why the heck does Maverick's Xorg treat my touchpad's middle button as a left button?
[22:46] <DarkNemesis> DanaG, does mavrick have a new version of gnome?
[22:47] <DanaG> Beats me... I'm not booted into it, at the moment.
[22:47] <DanaG> The middle button thing is a deal-breaker for me, for one thing.
[22:48] <kroson> DarkNemesis: no :S not yet
[22:48] <kroson> and gnome-shell (the new interface for 3.0) wont come with final
[22:48] <kroson> but they hope to have gnome 3.0
[23:25] <Ian_corne> whoa
[23:25] <Ian_corne> nautilus just crashed
[23:29] <patdk-wk> shoot it with sereoids