[00:10] <ubuntujenkins> wow pidgin tells you when the day changes
[00:13] <zkriesse> ubuntujenkins: I hate pid
[00:13] <zkriesse> "pidgin
[00:14] <ubuntujenkins> i thought i would try it as I would like eveything working with the me menu and in one program. I am going to try thunderbird once i work out how to get the mail from evolution into it
[00:15] <brandonj> I think it only does that if you have the irssi behvior plugin enabled
[00:18] <ubuntujenkins> zkriesse: I have 4 accounts where is the option to make each one have its mail in its own inbox and not in the global one?
[00:18] <ubuntujenkins> in thundebird
[00:18] <zkriesse> ubuntujenkins: ok you want to set them up or you already did
[00:19] <ubuntujenkins> I have not set them all up yet. I only did one. iirc there is a setting somewhere in thunderbird so that each has its own inbox
[00:21] <zkriesse> ubuntujenkins: Edit -> Account Settings -> Account Actions -> Add Mail Account
[00:22] <ubuntujenkins> right i get that bit
[00:22] <zkriesse> ok
[00:25] <ubuntujenkins> zkriesse: http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_do_i_create_multiple_accounts_in_mozilla_thunderbird.html first screen shot has the setting i am looking for alot has changed since then though
[00:26] <zkriesse> ok
[00:26] <zkriesse> so what are you having an issue with?
[00:27] <zkriesse> or are you looking for Edit -> Account Settings -> Account Actions -> Add Other Account
[00:27] <ubuntujenkins> I would like non global inbox's I just wondered if you knew where the option for it was
[00:28] <ubuntujenkins> no worries it appears to do it automatically now to some extent I will see how i get on
[00:30] <ubuntujenkins> thanks zkriesse
[00:30] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[01:14] <humphreybc> jussi: ping
[01:16] <godbyk-android> Ah, man. I had ops and didn't notice 'til I lost 'em!
[01:16] <humphreybc> yeah
[01:16] <humphreybc> I'm trying to figure out the command to keep you on the op list
[01:16] <humphreybc> apparently there was a miscreant in here yesterday
[01:16] <godbyk-android> Ah, gotcha.
[01:17] <humphreybc> i'll just wait till dutchie is around to tell me the comment :)
[01:17] <humphreybc> the chanserv documentation is a bit shit
[01:18] <godbyk-android> There you go.
[01:20] <humphreybc> what an unbelievably odd conversation.
[01:21] <humphreybc> vish is gay now? haha
[01:23] <humphreybc> godbyk, which nicks of yours do you need as OP?
[01:25] <humphreybc> godbyk, you're already an OP
[01:26] <godbyk-android> Probably my godbyk nick. It's the only one registered with nickserv
[01:26] <humphreybc> okay
[01:26] <humphreybc> already done
[01:26] <humphreybc> Luke is one now too
[01:27] <humphreybc> and now flan
[01:32]  * humphreybc tries to think of a suitable pictogram for about us
[01:41] <zkriesse> ops? who has ops?
[01:41]  * zkriesse loves the ops
[01:41] <humphreybc> i just sent an email to the ML with the op list
[01:42] <zkriesse> cool
[01:42] <zkriesse> what was the incident?
[01:43] <humphreybc> check the logs from yesterday
[01:43] <humphreybc> or see my latest tweet :)
[01:43] <zkriesse> what's your tweet
[01:43] <humphreybc> http://twitter.com/humphreybc
[01:44] <zkriesse> humphreybc: oh you mean that zray dude?
[01:44] <zkriesse> yeah that was wierd
[01:45] <zkriesse> humphreybc: oh you're ben?
[01:45] <zkriesse> i'm zach kriesse
[01:45] <zkriesse> i sent you that email the other day
[01:51] <humphreybc> FUCK I HATE INKSCAPE
[01:51] <godby-sagan> humphreybc: What's wrong with inkscape now?
[01:51] <humphreybc> everything
[01:51] <godby-sagan> (Conference is over for the day.)
[01:51] <humphreybc> absolutely everything is wrong with it
[01:52] <humphreybc> and where are the translated editions!?
[01:52] <godby-sagan> lol
[01:52] <godby-sagan> they're still being worked on.
[01:52] <godby-sagan> I have to test some stuff with the Greek edition.  I think the German edition is waiting on some translations, still.
[01:53] <godby-sagan> And I haven't been in contact with anyone about any other translations recently (that I recall).
[01:53] <humphreybc> =\
[01:54] <godby-sagan> I know.  First it was a new job, and now I'm off at a conference.
[01:54] <humphreybc> that's okay
[01:54] <godby-sagan> But I think both translations should be ready in the next 2-3 weeks.
[01:55] <godby-sagan> (I'll be back in the middle of next week, so as long as too much work hasn't piled up, I should be able to make some progress on the manual.)
[01:55] <humphreybc> okay, cool
[01:55] <godby-sagan> We also need to check in on progress for the second edition.
[01:55] <humphreybc> yea
[01:55] <godby-sagan> What're our goals for the second edition? How are we progressing toward those goals?
[01:55] <zkriesse> you mean lucid e2?
[01:56] <godby-sagan> zkriesse: Yeah.
[01:56] <godby-sagan> Bug-fixing is a bit sporadic, but continuing.
[01:56] <godby-sagan> (well bug-reporting + bug-fixing)
[01:56] <zkriesse> godby-sagan: Ah yeah
[01:56] <godby-sagan> (Bugs usually get fixed fairly quickly after they've been reported.)
[02:01] <humphreybc> yes
[04:27] <brandonj> godbyk-android: http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/06/29/2233219/Knuth-Plans-Earthshaking-Announcement-Wednesday
[04:48] <flan> nisshh, your Hotmail account was hacked or something.
[04:57] <nisshh> flan: yea i know, its amazing that someone managed to crack my 64 character password
[04:57] <nisshh> im sorry about all the spam on the mailing list, please ignore that, since it was not me who sent it, but whoever the cracker was
[05:05] <godbyk-android> brandonj:  thanks! A friend just IMed me the link, too.
[05:06] <godbyk-android> I'll be sure to report the announcement, though it's not likely to be anything nearly so exiting as they proposed.
[05:06] <godbyk-android> (And probably TeX-related.)
[05:08] <godbyk-sagan> Whoops. Kernel panicked on my laptop. Had to reboot.
[09:29] <ubuntujenkins> yey worked it out
[09:30] <ubuntujenkins> morning all bth
[09:30] <ubuntujenkins> *btw
[09:32] <thorwil> good morning ubuntujenkins and congrats for your new amazing powers! :)
[09:33] <ubuntujenkins> lol thanks we needed it last night, that person go offensive
[09:33] <thorwil> yeah, i skimmed the log
[09:34] <ubuntujenkins> I did feel mean every channel he went to he was kicked/mode -q on. i tried to explain how to ask a question in one line but failed
[09:36] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: some people can't be helped. don't worry about it
[09:36] <ubuntujenkins> yea life goes on
[10:04] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: what was this offensive person doing in the channel yesterday, can i see the logs?
[10:05] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: also, sorry about the damn spam on the ML, someone did crack my account
[10:05] <ubuntujenkins> yea the logs are on irc.ubuntu.com it was basically alot of posting and when we told him we could not help he didn't stop
[10:05] <ubuntujenkins> no worries glad you fixed it
[10:06] <ubuntujenkins> and then he started to get strange every channel he was in mode -q him or kicked him
[10:06] <nisshh> lol, what a douch
[10:07] <nisshh> you get people like that sometimes
[10:07] <ubuntujenkins> we all tried to help but faild. as thorwi l said some people can't be helped
[10:12] <nisshh> yea
[10:20] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: just read the logs, what a frigging retard :)
[12:53] <nisshh> flan: iv switched to gmail now, so i shouldnt get hacked again
[14:55] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: any reason to change your nick to help?
[14:56] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: sorry, i messed up a command
[14:56] <nisshh> trying to register my new email address
[14:56] <ubuntujenkins> lol no worries just asking :)
[14:56] <nisshh> hehe
[14:56] <ubuntujenkins> wondered if you wanted and help
[14:57] <nisshh> hahaha
[14:57] <flan> I'm kinda surprised you were allowed to claim that name. =P
[14:57] <nisshh> flan: yea, i thought it was reserved or whatever
[14:57] <ubuntujenkins> did you have create a whole new accout
[14:57] <nisshh> no
[14:57] <ubuntujenkins> hey flan
[14:57] <nisshh> i just told nickserv my new email
[14:57] <nisshh> then they send you a verification email and off you go
[14:58] <nisshh> easy as
[14:58] <ubuntujenkins> I ment e-mail account
[15:00] <nisshh> oh, silly me, yes i created a whole new gmail account, my old ones were all munted and had crappy usernames
[15:00] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: ^^^
[15:00] <ubuntujenkins> I only registerd my nick 46 weeks ago I am sure is started ubuntu way before that
[15:01] <ubuntujenkins> gmail is good nisshh
[15:02] <nisshh> yea
[15:03] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: back when i got my first hotmail address, gmail was still crap and featureless
[15:03] <nisshh> but now its much better
[15:03] <ubuntujenkins> evolution in maverick has collapsing threads. I still have a hotmail its my junk account
[15:03] <nisshh> hehe
[15:04] <nisshh> gimme a sec im trying out the away command
[15:04] <nisshh> ok done
[15:06] <ubuntujenkins> you have to love fishing e-mails this one does not even have a convincing website address for what should be hsbc. :)
[15:08] <nisshh> meh, i hate them but some are very funny
[15:08] <nisshh> i got a lot of british lottery ones on my hotmail account
[15:10] <ubuntujenkins> wow thats hardd to enter whilst in australia
[15:11] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: no, it was fake and saying that id won it :)
[15:11] <ubuntujenkins> I guessed it was fake :) hehe
[15:12] <thorwil> mine are usually italian lottery
[15:12] <nisshh> hehe
[15:12] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: how do you add google reader to your gmail account?
[15:12] <ubuntujenkins> hehe italian lottery
[15:13] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: no clue sorry
[15:13] <flan> I can't help, either.
[15:13] <ubuntujenkins> I don't use google reader
[15:13] <nisshh> omg, i thought everyone used GR
[15:13] <nisshh> i think humphreybc does
[15:13] <flan> I just dock Firefox's live bookmarks into the empty space beside its main menu.
[15:13] <nisshh> oh...
[15:14] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: i guess go to here http://www.google.com/reader and sign in
[15:20] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: thanks, iv figured it out
[16:21] <zkriesse> hello fellow manual editors
[16:21] <nisshh> yo
[16:21] <zkriesse> hey sup nisshh
[16:22] <nisshh> not much
[16:22] <nisshh> just reconfiguring and setting up my new gmail account and some stuff on my desktop
[16:23] <zkriesse> sweet
[16:23]  * zkriesse is on forums
[16:24] <nisshh> cool
[19:05] <ubuntujenkins> evening all
[20:43] <ubuntujenkins> I have just taken most of the code out of the bin/quickshot file it annoyed me
[21:07] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: ping
[21:07] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: pong
[21:09] <c7p> i sent you the tex file
[21:10] <ubuntujenkins> so you did :)
[21:10] <ubuntujenkins> so we think this is it?
[21:11] <c7p> you mean the final tex file ?
[21:12] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[21:13] <ubuntujenkins> we just need kevin to do the final build and upload it right?
[21:13] <ubuntujenkins> I have no access to the server anyhow
[21:14] <c7p> well a team member found some bugs but he hasn't sent me until now the changes
[21:14] <c7p> so i guess it's the final
[21:15] <c7p> i don't think this would be the final build since kevin wants to ensure that everything is ok
[21:16] <c7p> also the script that generates the pdf and upload them on the site must have bug
[21:16] <c7p> cause it messes up the index page references
[21:18] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: kevin would do this one himself not the script. we will have to ping him and let him know
[21:18] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-android: / godbyk-sagan ping
[21:29] <ubuntujenkins> flan: ping
[21:31] <c7p> g2g
[21:32] <ubuntujenkins> see ya c7p
[21:32] <c7p> cya
[21:34] <ubuntujenkins> flan: i have started naming things properly so the first window is called welcome so i have self.welcome = get("welcome") then importing the button following the way it was done last release it would read self.welcome.welcome_forward_btn = get("welcome_forward_btn") . is it ok to go with self.welcome_forward_btn = get("welcome_forward_btn"). there is a differnece?
[21:35] <flan> btn_ should be a prefix, not a suffix.
[21:35] <flan> The reason being primarily for legibility's sake.
[21:36] <flan> First for skimming and second for exploration with dir() or other reflection-like facilities.
[21:36] <ubuntujenkins> doh!
[21:36]  * ubuntujenkins changes them all
[21:36] <flan> Sorry. :(
[21:36] <flan> I'm not sure I fully understand your question, though.
[21:36] <ubuntujenkins> np i should do it right
[21:37] <ubuntujenkins> basically the old way it would look like self.welcome.welcome_forward_btn = get("welcome_forward_btn")
[21:37] <flan> Also, though it probably doesn't matter too much as long as we're consistent, prefixing things with underscores in the Python convention for marking stuff as "private".
[21:37] <ubuntujenkins> the new way for the button is  self.welcome_forward_btn = get("welcome_forward_btn")
[21:38] <ubuntujenkins> will i be ok if i change _ to -
[21:38] <ubuntujenkins> i remmber being told that now
[21:38] <flan> self._btn_whatever is preferable to self.btn_whatever, as long as it doesn't make things inconsistent.
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> whats the point of the "private" thing again?
[21:39] <flan> If this button is being attached to a class named 'welcome', does repeating 'welcome' in its name help or hinder clarity for any other developers?
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> no i did not think so
[21:40] <flan> Private, in Python, is a signal to others that they shouldn't mess with the attribute unless they know what they're doing.
[21:40] <flan> In other languages, like Java, it's strictly enforced, preventing casual access to things that shouldn't be visible to the outside world.
[21:41] <ubuntujenkins> o ok cool, i will do that on the important bits
[21:41] <flan> In the part of Quickshot you're working on, it doesn't really matter if you use 'private' hints or not.
[21:41] <ubuntujenkins> as you can tell i am still learning
[21:41] <ubuntujenkins> thats what i fugured stuff like password handling etc should proabbly have it
[21:41] <flan> In mine, it does, since I wouldn't want you to access things like the server's hostname directly, because for all you know, my code may change that every three seconds.
[21:42] <flan> Privacy doesn't actually protect data in any languages.
[21:43] <ubuntujenkins> if i tried to look at your code it would take a while to understand, your comments are good though. just my knolegde is not as good as yours
[21:43] <flan> My code in the first release is pretty hackish.
[21:44] <flan> (Deadlines)
[21:44] <ubuntujenkins> I need to find a place to put my big screen, glade is not good on 1280x800
[21:44] <flan> I'd recommend that you keep doing what you're doing now and just ask when you get stuck.
[21:44] <ubuntujenkins> thanks will do
[21:45] <flan> You'll find better ways to do things as you write more code.
[21:45] <flan> And then you'll want to go back and improve the earlier stuff.
[21:45] <flan> You're not going to do everything right the first time. Nobody ever does.
[21:46] <flan> (Even if they know the language and have a solid plan to work against)
[21:46] <flan> Just look at all of my "restructuring" and "thought of a better way to do this" commit messages.
[21:47] <ubuntujenkins> I am glad we have a bit more time real life has taken over a bit for me
[21:47] <flan> Same. Preparing to move has totally shot my productivity.
[21:48] <flan> And I had finally regained my motivation, too. :(
[21:48] <flan> Oh, well.
[21:48] <ubuntujenkins> we will get there
[21:48] <flan> I'm sure I'll be, like, suffering fromw ithdrawl when I'm settled in.
[21:49] <flan> Though I managed to introduce Debian and Python at work, so...
[22:45] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[22:45] <zkriesse> bye ubuntujenkins
[22:46] <zkriesse> ubuntujenkins: hey did you get thunderbird up and running ok?
[22:47] <ubuntujenkins> i decided that it did not tie in with the desktop enough for me but upgrade to the latest evolution which now deals with threads like gmal
[22:47] <ubuntujenkins> *gmail
[22:47] <ubuntujenkins> thanks for your help zkriesse
[22:47] <zkriesse> yep
[23:00] <daker> hello
[23:06] <ubuntujenkins> flan: how do i work out how long a nick as been not used for?
[23:06] <ubuntujenkins> no worries worked it out
[23:08]  * daker just finished the new design of the planet
[23:09] <ubuntujenkins> o lets see pics please
[23:09]  * ubuntujenkins is going to change nicks to jenkins
[23:09] <ubuntujenkins> i am disliking the ubuntu part
[23:13] <ubuntujenkins> hmm someone is using it atm so they can't drop it. the registered user has not used it in ages
[23:20] <daker> jenkins, you will lose the OP
[23:20] <jenkins> daker: i will keep the old one or get the name changed
[23:21] <jenkins> i think i should be able to change it otherwise humphrybc will be able to
[23:21] <jenkins> nick is registered be right back
[23:25] <jenkins> yey it works
[23:25] <daker> http://imagebin.org/103579
[23:26] <jenkins> much nicer :)
[23:47] <daker> godbyk, ping!!
[23:47] <godbyk-android> Hey, daker
[23:48] <daker> hi
[23:48] <daker> i want to change the planet design
[23:48] <daker> are you available ?
[23:48] <godbyk-android> How goes it?
[23:48] <daker> http://imagebin.org/103579
[23:49] <godbyk-android> Okay, cool
[23:49] <godbyk-android> Well, I'm at a conference right now, but we're on a break for a couple minutes.
[23:50] <jenkins> hey godbyk-android
[23:50] <daker> what should i do ?
[23:51] <godbyk-android> Hey, jenkins.
[23:51] <jenkins> hmm it apears humphreybc needs to change the nick that has ops
[23:52] <godbyk-android> daker:  it's still loading on my phone. Slow Internet here.
[23:52] <godbyk-android> jenkins:  why'd you change your nick?
[23:53] <godbyk-android> Sa
[23:54] <jenkins> erm the other one was long and the ubuntu bit can cause people on other channels to go "o so you use ubuntu you should use ...." no one else uses ubuntu infornt of it i was childish when i set it up
[23:55] <godbyk-android> daker:  looks pretty nice. We should get more blogs on the planet sometime.
[23:55] <godbyk-android> jenkins: I see.
[23:56] <jenkins> jussi: are you able to change the name which i am op'd under? or do i need humphreybc? I decided to change my nick from ubuntujenkins to jenkins.  probably not the right time to choose :(
[23:57] <jenkins> the only thing is i need to transfer people talking to jenkins not ubuntujenkins. I am thinking an auto responder on my old nick
[23:59] <daker> godbyk-android, , so what ? i'll wait for you ?