[01:01] <czajkowski> whoo made it home
[01:01] <jono> doctormo, ping?
[01:01] <nhandler> How was it czajkowski ?
[01:02] <czajkowski> windy and raining heavily
[01:02] <czajkowski> behind one large truck for about 4 miles in lashing rain
[01:02] <czajkowski> most fliupping annoying
[01:03] <nhandler> czajkowski: I meant the Ubuntu Hour ;)
[01:03] <czajkowski> oh right
[01:03] <czajkowski> that was a good fun
[01:03] <czajkowski> took pics
[01:03] <czajkowski> one of the lads brought his wife and kids along
[01:03] <nhandler> czajkowski: Sounds fun. Have you uploaded the pics yet?
[01:03] <czajkowski> one of the guys luisbg is moving back to spain so wont see him again
[01:04] <czajkowski> and the two masters students doing their thesis on Ubuntu came along
[01:04] <czajkowski> nhandler: nope
[01:04] <nhandler> czajkowski: Weren't you doing something with those 2 students?
[01:05] <czajkowski> yup
[01:05] <czajkowski> educating them in ubuntu
[01:05] <czajkowski> so one brought along a questionaire
[01:05] <czajkowski> the other wanted to meet people
[01:07] <czajkowski> nhandler: jono seen  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/TeamReApproval2010  what a wiki page
[01:07] <jono> wow!
[01:08] <jono> so awesome :)
[01:08] <czajkowski> yup
[01:08]  * czajkowski hugs jono nice work on getting the tag chat going 
[01:08] <czajkowski> thank you
[01:08] <nhandler> czajkowski: Oh yeah, put Ubuntu Chicago to shame with that ;)
[01:09] <doctormo> jono: pong
[01:10] <czajkowski> right folks calling it a night
[01:10] <czajkowski> catch you all tomorrow
[01:10] <doctormo> night czajkowski
[01:10] <nhandler> Night czajkowski
[01:10] <jono> czajkowski, :)
[01:10] <jono> doctormo, hey, you have an M-Audio Fast Track Pro?
[01:11] <jono> I saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/569932
[01:11] <doctormo> jono: I do
[01:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 569932 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "M-audio fast-track pro: Missing input device (affects: 3) (heat: 76)" [Low,In progress]
[01:11] <jono> doctormo, how does it work in Lucid?
[01:11] <jono> specifically the S/PDIF
[01:11] <jono> specifically the S/PDIF in
[01:11] <doctormo> jono: Needed a patch to get it working
[01:11] <jono> (I just bought one)
[01:11] <doctormo> in lucid
[01:11] <jono> right
[01:11] <jono> does the S/PDIF work?
[01:12] <doctormo> jono: I don't actually know if I can test that, do you mean S/PDIF into the Fast track and then out to computer via usb?
[01:13] <doctormo> I can't imagine it wouldn't work though so long as the patch is there: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48319012/draft.patch
[01:14] <doctormo> jono: Now you can riddle me this, what did you think of this: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/#/d2ssfnz
[01:14] <jono> doctormo, I want to bring an S/PDIF input into the Fast Track via the S/PDIF in
[01:15] <jono> I am getting my studio in better shape for my videocasts and the live severed fifth recording
[01:15] <jono> that image is awesome doctormo
[01:16] <jono> doctormo, is that patch merged into maverick or in a Lucid PPA?
[01:16] <jono> or it is a config file patch
[01:16] <jono> easy
[01:17] <jono> I sure hope the S/PDIF works
[01:17] <jono> then I don't need windows
[01:19] <jono> biab
[02:58] <doctormo> jono: Let me know if it works, although that patch was rejected by the upstream because it's a hack (technically speaking) it assumes you have a single audio device in the original configuration and assumes you may have a prior device in the patched version. What it should do of course is not have that configuration at all, the code should be made to detect the m-audio alsa device properly.
[03:02] <jono> doctormo, so the patched version assumes the m-audio overrides the system sound card?
[03:06] <doctormo> jono: No, it won't apply m-audio config if it's not an m-audio, it just expands the existing hack to check two slots.
[03:08] <jono> doctormo, oh so it means you can use both the m-audio and the existing sound card?
[03:12] <doctormo> jono: I have been able to, I output to my normal sound card when I do midi work and input work.
[03:12] <doctormo> YMMV
[03:14] <jono> doctormo, right, can see see the S/PDIF In as an input?
[03:15] <doctormo> jono: Are you having trouble seeing it?
[03:22] <jono> doctormo, he card hasnt arrived yet
[03:23] <jono> I am just getting my expectations set
[03:23] <jono> can you see it?
[03:23] <doctormo> jono: Mine isn't a card, it's a block connected via usb. M-Audio FastTrack Pro
[03:24] <jono> I mean that
[03:24] <jono> I meant sound card
[03:24] <jono> the only thing I care about is that I can see the s/pdif in ustream
[03:24] <doctormo> What would it look like?
[03:26] <doctormo> Imagine your talking with someone that treats audio like a mystic force and only knows how to do Jack because I wrote the steps down.
[03:30] <jono> doctormo, it is an orange socket that says Digital In I think
[03:30] <jono> what inputs are listed in the sound preferences when it is plugged in?
[03:31] <doctormo> jono: Yes it has that, it says S/PDIF > Out / In (there are two orange connectors)
[03:32] <doctormo> jono: There is "FastTrack Pro Analog Stereo Channel A" input and "FastTrack Pro Analog Stereo Channel A" and "FastTrack Pro Analog Stereo Channel B" outputs.
[03:33] <jono> doctormo, can you test which socket matches which input?
[03:34] <jono> I reckon it is "FastTrack Pro Analog Stereo Channel A"
[03:35] <doctormo> jono: I have no s/pdif output devices and no cables. Is there a way I can test it otherwise? Channel A works for the Microphone I plug into the Mic/Inst
[03:35] <jono> is Channel A or Channel A Analogue?
[03:36] <doctormo> jono: http://imagebin.ca/view/J_yDiXN.html
[03:37] <jono> doctormo, what options are in the Connector drop down
[03:37] <jono> when the fast track is selected
[03:37] <doctormo> jono: It disappears when selecting the FastTrack.
[03:38] <jono> I think you said there were other inputs?
[03:38] <doctormo> Those were outputs.
[03:38] <jono> A, Analogue A, and B
[03:38] <jono> ahh
[03:38] <jono> so there is only one input working
[03:39] <doctormo> Well, that only appears with the patch, without it it's a rather amusing zero inputs.
[03:39] <doctormo> I have no idea if this is because of pulse audio or alsa, both are irrational with this device.
[03:40] <jono> dammit
[03:43] <nigelb> morning folks :)
[03:58] <doctormo> jono: Will it be a waste or will you try and convince some of the devels to work on the problem?
[04:00] <nigelb> doctormo: audio?
[04:00] <nhandler> doctormo: Not that many audio devs in the community, and I bet crimsun is pretty busy ;)
[04:00] <nigelb> luke should be aroud now
[04:01] <doctormo> nhandler: Quick does anyone know any multi-millionaire audiophiles! We need an audio team stat.
[04:10] <nigelb> doctormo: TheMuso in #ubuntu-desktop might be able to help you
[04:29] <jono> doctormo, I will probably just report a bug and hope someone can work on it
[04:31] <doctormo> jono: Noone you know who does this sort of thing?
[04:32] <nigelb> doctormo: err, audio right? Luke aka TheMuso
[04:32] <nigelb> crimsun has withdrawn from most development related stuff lately
[04:32] <jono> doctormo, well, I don't know if it is an integration issue or a driver problem
[04:33] <doctormo> nigelb: Surely the entire Ubuntu community must consist of more than one audio dev, either that or we need to get out our tranquilizers and go hunting in #alsa.
[04:34] <doctormo> jono: I should be able to see more than one input on alsa if it's a config issue
[04:34] <jono> doctormo, not neccessarily, the drive might now expose all inputs
[04:35] <doctormo> Certainly looks like it doesn't > pcmC1D0p  pcmC1D1c  pcmC1D1p is all I get.
[05:20] <jono> doctormo, then it must be a driver issue
[05:50] <nigelb> doctormo: sadly, audio is not some place we have lots of devs
[05:50] <nigelb> crimsun was our pillar for so long :)
[06:11] <dpm> good morning all
[06:11] <nigelb> morning dpm :)
[06:11] <dpm> hey nigelb :)
[06:11] <nigelb> whoa its early! I haven't even had my coffee and you're up for work already!
[06:12] <dpm> :)
[06:12] <nigelb> and my TZ is ahead of you
[06:12] <dpm> how are you doing today, apart from not having had the coffe? :-)
[06:14] <nigelb> From the looks of it today is going to be a *loooong* day
[06:15] <nigelb> I'm struggling to understand a framework on whcih I'm supposed to write code in
[06:17] <dpm> I'm sure you like challenges... :)
[06:32] <nigelb> of course! I'm the one who convinced everyone that we should use this framework :)
[06:52] <dholbach> good morning
[06:57] <dpm> morning dholbach!
[06:57] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:02] <nigelb> dholbach: good morning!
[07:02] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[07:56] <dholbach> hola ara
[07:56] <ara> morning dholbach
[07:57]  * dholbach takes the dog to the vet
[09:20] <czajkowski> morning
[09:23] <AlanBell> hi
[09:34] <nigelb> hello czajkowski, AlanBell :)
[09:34] <czajkowski> nigelb: hi
[09:34] <nigelb> you folks having a good day?
[09:35] <czajkowski> so far so good
[09:36]  * AlanBell says meh to month end stuff
[09:37] <nigelb> AlanBell: new month has been awesome with 2 new people joining our company and we moved 2 systems to ubuntu this week :)
[09:38] <AlanBell> that is great
[09:44] <nigelb> we'll eventually go all out for developers :)
[09:45] <AlanBell> I just want someone to take all the financial stuff away
[09:45] <nigelb> heh
[14:21] <nigelb> jcastro: did you do anythig about the results of "talk to lucas about submittodebian"?
[14:22] <nigelb> Also, what is the outcome of exploring code review UI for patches?  (you've marked it as done)
[14:25] <jcastro> nigelb: the submittodebian bits discussion happened on the mailing list instead (motu)
[14:25] <jcastro> and the bugs team has punted the code review for patches for this cycle.
[14:25] <jcastro> sorry, the lp tasks aren't clear
[14:25] <jcastro> they weren't for getting each feature done in lp, it was for a work analysis of what we wanted from the lp team
[14:26] <jcastro> so they're all marked done even though we don't get everything we want
[14:26] <jcastro> the short story on the review bits is "everyone wants them, but it's alot of work, so next time"
[14:27] <jcastro> once I get debian 2 way import/export in lp I'll be more than happy to let you whine at them for your feature. :D
[14:27] <jcastro> I've been waiting like 3 years, heh
[14:28] <jcastro> nigelb: hmm, perhaps I should get one of them to blog their plans
[14:28] <jcastro> so it's clear what they're working on
[14:35] <jcastro> jono: when you plug in your kindle to your ubuntu box does it think it's an mp3 player? (though everything works just fine)
[14:37] <nigelb> jcastro: thank you :)
[14:37] <jono> jcastro, no, it just shows nautilus
[14:37] <nigelb> the code review would have been awesome ;)
[14:37] <jcastro> nigelb: they love the idea, it's just something they can bust out right away.
[14:37] <jcastro> er, it's NOT something they can just bust out right away is what I meant.
[14:37] <nigelb> heh
[14:38] <nigelb> I should bribe jml into giving me some beginner lessions on hacking launchpad :)
[14:38] <jcastro> no!
[14:38] <jcastro> stay here with us!
[14:38] <nigelb> hahaha
[14:40] <nigelb> jcastro: I'm a web developer by trade, I'm just gravitating towards my area of expertise :p
[14:40] <jcastro> heh
[14:57] <dholbach> jono: heya - if you could re-blog UDW at some stage, I'd appreciate it :-D
[15:01] <jono> dholbach, will do today
[15:02] <dholbach> thanks a bunch
[15:13] <nigelb> dholbach: don't bang on that
[15:13] <dholbach> nigelb: eh?
[15:14] <nigelb> I asked jono to blog about cleansweep ages back and he still hasn't done it :p
[15:14] <vish> nigelb: i need jono too :
[15:31] <jcastro> I asked jono for a pony!
[15:32] <dholbach> jcastro: sometimes it's really tough working for Jono
[15:32] <dholbach> all those disappointments and setbacks
[15:33] <jono> ll
[15:33] <jono> lol
[15:33] <jcastro> I have a hard time respecting someone who uses triggers
[15:33] <jono> haha
[15:41] <nigelb> jcastro: triggers?
[15:42] <jcastro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_drum
[15:45] <nigelb> jcastro: ah, LOL
[16:02] <nigelb> later folks, I'm off for the day :)
[16:02] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day, nigelb
[16:03] <nigelb> dholbach: Just finished 12.5 hours at work.  I feel brain-dead
[16:03]  * dholbach hugs nigelb
[16:03]  * nigelb hugs dholbach :)
[16:03] <dholbach> :)
[16:24] <dholbach> jcastro: I'll massage abentley's comments into the wiki page
[16:24] <dholbach> jcastro: anything else you think we should be doing?
[16:30] <dpm> ok, I might have to send a couple of e-mails, but I'm officially off. See you all in a week!
[16:30]  * dpm hugs everyone
[16:30]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[16:30] <dholbach> dpm: enjoy your holidays
[16:31] <dpm> thanks dholbach, I'll definitely will :)
[16:32] <dholbach> thought so :)
[16:32] <jcastro> dholbach: I have some questions about prefixes, but it can wait until tomorrow
[16:32] <dholbach> prefixes?
[17:28] <jcastro> dholbach: yeah so like let's say someone wants Qt nightlies
[17:28] <jcastro> but doesn't want to overwrite their existing release
[17:28] <dholbach> yeah
[17:28] <jcastro> say the person wants it in /opt or something else instead so they don't have to downgrade the universe when it blows up
[17:28] <jcastro> that was my only question
[17:29] <dholbach> we shouldn't do /opt
[17:29] <dholbach> stuff can't link properly and stuff
[17:29] <jcastro> wherever
[17:29] <dholbach> so Qt would not work for them at all
[17:29] <dholbach> the only thing they can do and need to do is get the versioning right
[17:29] <jcastro> I don't think it will matter too much where it would actually go as long as it doesn't blow up existing packages
[17:30] <dholbach> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage#versioning
[17:31]  * jcastro nods
[17:40] <dholbach> ok my friends, calling it a day
[17:40] <dholbach> see you tomorrow!
[17:41] <nhandler> Bye dholbach
[17:41] <dholbach> bye nhandler
[20:11] <dinda> http://guadec.org/index.php/guadec/2010/schedConf/training    GNOME Developer training - nice!
[20:23] <jcastro> jono: call today?
[20:26] <jono> call?
[20:26] <jcastro> jono: you meantioned yesterday that you wanted a 1 on 1 today to catch up
[20:27] <jcastro> but I can give you the 2 second update on irc if you want
[20:27] <jono> jcastro, sure, lets do it here
[20:27] <jono> unless you want a call?
[20:27] <jcastro> doesn't matter to me
[20:29] <jono> lets do it here
[20:29] <jcastro> ok
[20:30] <jcastro>  - indicator-appmenu and appmenu-gtk ready to go today, seb is packaging tomorrow (ken on holiday)
[20:30] <jcastro>  - uds content sent to you
[20:31] <jcastro>  - working with lp and daniel on daily builds stuff, which hits edge on monday, we're having a call with them tomorrow
[20:31] <jcastro>  - finishing up party and GUADEC stuff (catch up with cezz tomorrow)
[20:31] <jcastro> we're going to do usb keys for UNE for guadec so people can install on the fly, and the party on wednesday
[20:31] <jcastro> that's all I've got!
[20:32] <jcastro> no outstanding actions afaik
[20:34] <jono> jcastro, sounds perfect
[20:34] <jono> A2 is pretty much squared away apart from me blogging daily builds
[20:34] <jono> good work! :)
[20:34] <jcastro> woo!
[20:34] <jcastro> I would hold off on the dailies tbh
[20:35] <jono> right, I will postpone it
[20:41] <Technoviking> jcastro: If anyone asks, Ryan is working on the issues with the forums
[20:43] <jcastro> ok
[20:43] <jcastro> Technoviking: did ranch_hand posting every 3 minutes bring it down?
[20:44] <Technoviking> jcastro: lol, could be:)
[20:44] <Technoviking> I think it maybe my fault, I posted to the forums from my iPhone 4 yesterday:)
[20:45] <jcastro> I didn't know you were right handed!
[20:47] <Technoviking> jcastro: am now, I cut off my left hand so I would never be tempted to use it
[20:49] <jcastro> Technoviking: http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2623/1277477480603.jpg
[20:51] <Technoviking> Honestly, I can not reproduce that problem. The main problem I'm having is that 3G is faster on the iPhone 4 but not as reliable. Something #G will just not work.
[21:13] <doctormo> jcastro: Nice
[22:20] <jcastro> EOD, bai everyone!
[22:41] <jono> later jcastro