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* TheMuso starts to respond to the conversation in -devel, but decides not to. He won't listen.04:41
lifelesswhich one04:41
TheMusoAbout removing plymouth/upstart et al.04:42
ajmitchsome discussions are best left04:42
lifelesshmm, subject? I seem to be sparse on u-d mail04:43
* TheMuso is talking about #ubuntu-devel on IRC.04:44
lifelessnow it makes sense :)04:44
ajmitchthis is far from the first time he's visited :)04:45
TheMusoYeah I remember seeing him ask a questino the other day about removing upstart and going back to sysvinit.04:45
lifelessoh wow04:45
RAOFThat doesn't seem like a winner :)04:45
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pittiGood morning07:04
didrocksGuten Morgen pitti07:06
* pitti goes to test the new netbook images07:06
didrockspitti: is the boot issue fixed?07:07
didrocksgreat, I'll give it a try too this morning07:08
didrockspitti: is it just me, or there is no NotifyOSD in the live session?07:37
pittididrocks: right, it's notification-daemon for me in the netbook live session07:42
didrockspitti: did you test the desktop one or should I have a look ?07:44
pittiI didn't test notifications there07:44
pittiso please do07:44
didrocksok, syncing the image07:44
pittididrocks: hm, somehow this places thing is still a little unorganized; defaulting to "all applications", and defaulting to that empty view, etc.07:44
pittiit's really hard to find the installer07:44
pittishouldn't there be some kind of "Favourites" somewhere?07:45
pittididrocks: "System" apps is empty, is that known?07:45
didrockspitti: right, it should default to "all applications" when there is no file in file applications07:46
didrockspitti: there is only in the launcher right now07:46
didrocksyeah, it's known07:46
didrocksthen, there will be an additional places for most common tasks07:46
didrockslike browsing, listening music, and so on…07:46
pittihm, I can't actually find it in "all apps" either?07:47
pittiI thought that got fixed yesterday07:48
pittioh, in _that_ launcher, sorry07:48
didrockspitti: yeah, I can only add it in the launcher (to be clear, let's call other "places") :)07:50
didrocksor we will confuse until the end of times!07:51
* pitti apologizes for his bad terminology07:51
pittiright, makes sense07:51
didrockspitti: for the fun part, try adding a lot of items in the launcher07:52
didrockspitti: you should see the "accorderon" effect07:52
pittidoesn't take much; launch terminal, gedit, and eog, and I have it07:53
pittibut it feels a bit weird when I expand it07:53
didrocksyeah, I don't like the physics as well07:54
pittiit doesn't autoscroll to the top again07:54
pittiit just expands beyond the upper edge into the void07:54
didrocksthere are some bugs like that and the fact that the one you point isn't always the one is select after expand07:55
didrocksbut well, still WIP :-)07:55
didrocksNotifyOSD works in the GNOME session07:57
pittiso, netbook install works fine now08:04
pittiboot looks a little weird, lots of text cursors and no plymouth08:04
pittibut it works08:04
didrockssame here08:05
didrocksI've logged a bug for notify-osd and will add it to iso.qa08:07
robert_ancellpitti, if I do a SRU for sane-backends will that automatically go to -proposed?  i.e. should I upload it, blog it so people do some testing and we decide only if it should go from -proposed to -updates?08:20
robert_ancellseb128,  if I do a SRU for sane-backends will that automatically go to -proposed?  i.e. should I upload it, blog it so people do some testing and we decide only if it should go from -proposed to -updates?08:31
seb128robert_ancell, hey08:31
seb128robert_ancell, you need to upload to "lucid-proposed"08:31
seb128it will go in moderation queue, somebody from the sru team will review and accept it, then it will need to be verified and after one week without issue some archive admin will copy it to lucid-updates08:32
robert_ancellseb128, I guess the question is "should I upload it, given it's not a small fix"08:33
seb128it will sit in lucid-proposed for a while time to get testing08:33
seb128but I guess that's ok08:34
seb128robert_ancell, reading your reply to my email08:34
seb128robert_ancell, the "I don't know what you are working on" was rather a "I don't know if you are up to take on other tasks or if you are busy enough" ;-)08:35
seb128robert_ancell, "I think we should get d-bus out there and used asap."08:35
seb128you meant "d-conf"?08:35
robert_ancellis LP *really* unreliable for you guys at the moment?  Most of my connections are stalling08:36
seb128didn't try today08:37
didrocksrobert_ancell: kvalo told me it was quite fast for him this morning. I didn't get issues there08:37
seb128robert_ancell, gtk3 and gtk2, right mclasen said he would not take any new feature in gtk2 because he doesn't want to encourage app writers to keep using it08:37
seb128robert_ancell, there was some recent discussion on the gtk list about that08:38
robert_ancelldidrocks, it must be my isp.  real pita all day...08:38
robert_ancellseb128, do you know of debians plans regarding GTK3?08:41
seb128robert_ancell, slomo started some work on it in their svn08:41
seb128robert_ancell, it's basically the gtk2 packaging with a sed gtk2 -> gtk308:42
seb128speaking of him08:42
robert_ancellseb128,  that's what I figured08:42
seb128slomo, hey ;-)08:42
slomohi seb12808:42
seb128slomo, did you or anybody continued work on getting gtk3 in debian?08:42
slomonope, but you might want to talk to bigon about the dconf package08:43
seb128slomo, and did you read my ping yesterday or the bug report I filed about gsettings schemas trigger?08:43
seb128slomo, why? is there an issue with it?08:43
slomoyes, i'll add it with next upload08:43
slomounless joss did it already ;)08:43
seb128slomo, he said he would sponsor it to debian and added it to pkg-gnome08:43
slomono idea, but it might be incompatible with yours or something08:44
seb128no, it's ours he added there08:44
slomoah it is your package? good :)08:44
seb128with some cleaning08:44
bigonyou want me to upload d-conf today?08:47
bigonor do we wait to see if we can resolve the name clash?08:47
seb128bigon, what name clash?08:50
seb128bigon, the source name "dconf"?08:50
seb128I would prefer to see d-conf uploaded since some things will start depending on it including empathy08:51
seb128is anybody trying to get the "dconf" game renamed in debian or dropped or something?08:51
bigonfredp told me that robert_ancell already asked, if I'm not wrong08:52
seb128robert_ancell, ^ did you contact the debian dconf maintainer about the name clash?08:54
pittibonjour seb12808:54
seb128hey pitti08:54
robert_ancellseb128, bigon, I'm trying to think...08:54
seb128how are you?08:54
alf__Hi all! What is the targeted cairo version for maverick?08:55
seb128didrocks, your clutter update failed and depwait on gir1.0-json-glib now08:55
seb128alf__, 1.1008:55
seb128alf__, I will upload 1.9.10 after the alpha2 freeze08:55
robert_ancellI don't think I opened a bug08:55
seb128robert_ancell, ok08:55
didrocksseb128: hum, weird, that's probably a locally installed package. I have to find the json typlib file somewhere, thanks for the notice08:56
seb128didrocks, seems neither debian or maverick have that binary08:56
seb128didrocks, I'm wondering where you got it08:56
didrocksseb128: I should have mistyped something, there was an issue with the missing json typelib file08:57
seb128didrocks, oh, it's named gir1.0-json-glib-1.008:57
didrocksok, typo so :)08:57
didrocksyeah, it's that one08:57
didrocksfixing and uploading08:57
seb128bigon, so no, robert_ancell didn't, I would not block on it or it will take weeks08:58
bigonrobert_ancell: is it possible that the dbus activation of d-conf is not working? I've tested it on maverick with empathy git and I had to launch the daemon by hand?09:00
Zdrabigon, works for me09:00
Zdrawith the d-conf package we have in telepathy-devel ppa09:01
seb128Zdra, which one is that? the one from maverick?09:01
robert_ancellbigon, yeah, I haven't had to run it by hand either09:01
alf__seb128: Excellent, thanks! One thing that is missing though (at least from the current debian packaging) and which I mostly need is a binary package for cairo-trace, cairo-perf-trace.09:02
bigonok so my bad I guess09:02
alf__seb128: I can send you a patch when you have uploaded the new version.09:02
seb128alf__, the new version will come from debian09:03
seb128robert_ancell, should running dconf-editor start dconf-service?09:03
seb128(it doesn't)09:03
Zdraseb128, yep09:03
alf__seb128: So I should send a patch directly to them?09:03
seb128alf__, dget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/cairo/cairo_1.9.10-1.dsc09:03
seb128alf__, that would be nice yes, we can apply a change in ubuntu as well while they consider it but it's better if we can stay in sync09:04
seb128alf__, slomo is maintaining cairo in Debian so you can try asking him if he would be wanting to take that change09:04
robert_ancellseb128, I expect it should.  I'm still trying to work out why dconf-editor exists at all, and it's not gsettings-editor (I'll be asking this one at guadec)09:05
alf__seb128: Thanks, I 'll get in touch with him09:05
seb128alf__, he's on this channel ;-)09:05
seb128robert_ancell, ok, do we have anything using dconf in maverick right now?09:05
alf__seb128: Even better ;)09:05
slomoalf__: why do you need cairo-trace and friends?09:05
robert_ancellseb128, I don't think so09:05
robert_ancellexcept for the command line dconf tools09:06
seb128robert_ancell, ok, time to upload this new calculator of yours :p09:06
robert_ancellseb128, is A3 out yet?09:06
alf__slomo: Hi! For https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/arm-m-ui-and-test-heads09:06
pittirobert_ancell: in three weeks :)09:06
seb128robert_ancell, it's a2 and no right, but it should be today, ie you can update it tomorrow if you want09:06
slomoalf__: can you give me a summary? ;)09:07
seb128pitti, will we get respins or can we do updates now?09:07
robert_ancellpitti, :P09:07
pittiwe are currently respinning server ISOs09:07
robert_ancellseb128, will do it tomorrow then09:07
seb128robert_ancell, thanks09:08
pittiand all kubuntu images and ubuntu DVDs weren't tested yet09:08
pittiso they might need more fixes09:08
seb128ok, let's wait a bit then09:08
alf__slomo: Sure :) We are compiling a set of benchmarks that will be available for testing graphic stack implementations on the linaro platform.09:08
seb128tomorrow will do09:08
pittiseb128: so ATM, only "safe" ones, please (no complicated dependency changes, etc.)09:08
robert_ancellseb128, I've been holding back packages so A2 is more stable09:08
pittiit took enough work to get http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/maverick_probs.html down to 1 uninstallable on i386/amd6 :)09:09
seb128robert_ancell, it's a wise decision ;-)09:09
slomoalf__: ok, but you're aware that this needs the cairo script backend and that the API of it is public but not stable?09:09
slomoalf__: also i don't know if enabling that backend has other implications09:09
seb128robert_ancell, btw what do you think about shotwell against f-spot?09:10
robert_ancellseb128, what about it?09:10
seb128robert_ancell, how is shotwell going? I didn't watch their work but it seems you did09:11
seb128robert_ancell, f-spot got maintained again, I'm wondering if we should still consider changing the default09:11
robert_ancellseb128, shotwell is going great.  F-Spot is working on their library changes to integrate with banshee so I think that will slow down their progress.  The speed of shotwell is a huge selling point.  It has some UI improvements that need to be worked on, but I think it's ahead of F-Spot and heading in the right direction.09:13
robert_ancellI've only ever had UI issues with it, not stability09:13
seb128ok, nice09:13
seb128how active is shotwell upstream atm?09:13
alf__slomo: How will this affect trace playback? Do you mean that trace scripts produced by one version be incompatible (eg non-replayable) by another?09:14
robert_ancellseb128, very09:14
seb128robert_ancell, excellent09:14
robert_ancellseb128, just released 0.6, now working on 0.709:14
robert_ancellwhich will be the release for 10.10.  They've aligned their schedule to match ours09:14
seb128robert_ancell, I'm testing 0.6 right now and I don't see many difference with what I tried at UDS that's why I was asking09:14
seb128robert_ancell, ok, let's discuss doing the change during the sprint as well09:15
seb128robert_ancell, thanks09:15
slomoalf__: that's the case, yes. also the interface that can be used by application to use the cairoscript backend might change the api09:15
robert_ancellseb128, sure.  You might have been using the unstable releases before so you wouldn't notice much09:15
seb128robert_ancell, that's possible09:16
robert_ancellseb128, I need someone to sponsor sane-backends (in main), what is the best way to give the packaging info?  I've attached a debdiff but it is huge09:17
robert_ancellbug 60051609:17
ubot2Launchpad bug 600516 in sane-backends (Ubuntu) "Update sane-backends in Lucid to 1.0.21 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60051609:17
seb128robert_ancell, upload to your ppa and ask somebody to sponsor that to ubuntu?09:18
robert_ancellseb128, ok it is here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/+archive/sane-backends/+packages09:18
seb128robert_ancell, ok, I will sponsor that09:18
seb128robert_ancell, hum, that's a merge version?09:19
alf__slomo: I don't think any of these is going to be a problem for our use case. The plan is to use the cairo-perf-trace util to play back traces that we will supply in a separate package, so we can update the scripts package in case of incompatible changes.09:19
robert_ancellseb128, yeah, do you think I should try and do it non-merged?09:19
alf__slomo: scripts package=the separate packages containing the traces09:20
robert_ancellseb128, that's the problem with this update. it's going to be huge no matter how you look at it09:20
seb128robert_ancell, the less un-required changes the better chance you have to get it accepted for a sru09:20
slomoalf__: ok09:20
seb128robert_ancell, well drivers are one thing and upstream code change09:20
slomoalf__: file a bug with a patch against the debian package please09:20
seb128robert_ancell, changing the packaging is another one09:20
slomoalf__: or send me a mail with the patch09:20
seb128robert_ancell, ie let's keep the packaging changes low so we know we will not get issues from there09:21
alf__slomo: sure, thanks!09:21
seb128robert_ancell, or check with pitti he's the one approving those sru usually09:21
seb128robert_ancell, but usually we try to not changing packaging in stable updates09:21
robert_ancellseb128, I'll package it up tomorrow without the merge changes09:25
seb128robert_ancell, have fun, see you later09:25
seb128RAOF, hi09:26
RAOFseb128: Good morning/evening.09:26
seb128RAOF, how are you?09:26
RAOFPretty good.09:26
seb128RAOF, thanks for getting your a2 items in shape and responding to that xorg bug I pinged you about the other day ;-)09:27
seb128RAOF, I'm fine thanks09:27
RAOFNo problem :)09:27
RAOFIt appears to be open-season on X bugs.09:27
seb128I've the feeling it's always an open-season with bugs ;-)09:29
seb128though to be honest desktop ones did settle down a bit now09:29
seb128the after new version crazyness is over, we are back to the normal busy activity09:30
RAOFI get to have one more cycle of that when we move to xserver 1.9 and mesa 7.9.09:30
RAOFOn the other hand, there's a bunch of fixes in there, and some nice bootspeed improvements.09:31
seb128I've started upgrading this box to maverick yesterday and got issues due nvidia binaries hijacking libglx09:32
seb128which made GLX fail to work since I'm on intel09:32
seb128is there any known issue about thise?09:32
RAOFDoesn't that have an awesome failure mode?  Did you get the upside-down, mirrored textures? :)09:32
seb128I'm not sure why nvidia-current got installed on upgrade09:32
pittiseb128: anything new from the gnome world or from implemented desktop specs which should be in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview ? (unity/appmenu is already covered)09:32
seb128no I didn't, just no compiz ;-)09:33
didrocksoh unclutter is now installed by default, nice :-)09:33
seb128didrocks, "nice" if you like it ;-) I find it confusing09:33
* RAOF doesn't really like unclutter. It sounded like a good idea, though.09:33
RAOFseb128: There was a bug where nvidia-current got pulled in.  I thought that had been resolved (and was in something like mythtv?)09:34
seb128pitti, checking but I don't think so no09:34
didrocksseb128: just noticed it and find it good when reading webpage. I will see how it goes today with normal activity :)09:34
seb128didrocks, I find the change on screen disturbing09:35
seb128I'm used to put the cursor out of the way but then I notice something changing somewhere when it's hidden which is weird09:35
didrocksseb128: I think it's a question of habits, did you try it for a long time?09:35
seb128I also get often confused trying to find it on screen to not what movement I need to do to click where I want09:35
seb128didrocks, 2 weeks now09:35
didrocksok, so you have more experienced in it09:36
seb128"to know what"09:36
didrocksI just find it to be hidden in a too fast right now09:37
RAOFIt also seems to get in the way of Chromium's “hover over the url to get the status text expanded into a non-ellipsised url” thnigy.09:37
seb128pitti, no, nothing fancy out of merges with debian and platform updates which is already listed09:41
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mvodidrocks: re login> there is code in the lazr branch for this that uses ubuntu-sso10:21
mvodidrocks: how does it currently work with ubuntuone?10:22
didrocksmvo: thanks. I'll have a look. Not sure it's working with u1 right now and how to make the u1 website discoverable10:22
didrocksmvo: I'll see what u1 preferences will implement in near futur and base on the same thing, I think10:22
mvodidrocks: ok, we just need to make sure we have a single login thing10:24
didrocksmvo: yeah, with u1 preferences/usc/oneconf10:24
didrocksmvo: I'll ask rodrigo this afternoon10:25
mvodidrocks: ok, what s-c can do for you currently is to get a oauth token from ubuntu-sso, that is the status-quo, but it should be trivial to extend. if u1 can give  me this (oauth ubuntu-sso token) then that is fine with me as well10:26
didrocksmvo: ok, just need to ensure that we have one token stored somewhere and be common to the 310:27
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mvodidrocks: yep, no multiple login dialogs10:29
mvodidrocks: I merge the lazr branch today I think into trunk10:29
didrocksmvo: agreed, what I will do is just the sign-in or Join Ubuntu One… to call your dialog (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#oneconf)10:29
didrocksnot sure you have distiction between sign-in or join btw10:30
mvodidrocks: the join is not implemented in gtk, it will just spawn a website10:31
mvobut login is of course10:31
didrocksmvo: ok, so, just sign-in will launch your dialog10:31
didrocksand we need to ensure u1 is using the same token10:31
didrocksthanks :)10:32
mvoyeah, or that we have a u1login object that can re-use username/password if we can not use the same token10:33
asacseb128: could you please NEW all the current librtcom-telepathy-glib binaries that are in the queue? (sparc etc. will take a bit longer)10:33
asacthx man10:33
seb128asac, ok10:33
mvodidrocks: we will figure something out :)10:33
asacseb128: rock!10:33
didrocksmvo: sure :)10:33
didrockssalut huats10:37
seb128asac, newed10:38
seb128lut huats10:38
seb128asac, de rien ;-)10:39
huatshello didrocks and seb12810:39
seb128didrocks, do you have any clue what happened to evolution-alarm-notify in the new evo?10:42
seb128pitti, is jockey supposed to work currently?10:44
pittisupposed to, yes, but I never tested it on maverick10:44
seb128"Downloading package indexes failed..."10:45
seb128I guess I need to go online for it to say something10:45
didrocksseb128: no, I didn't investigate though. Just think that it's related to e-d-s protocol change10:46
seb128didrocks, ok, because you kept the ubuntu desktop file to start it with the session but there is no binary to start10:46
seb128didrocks, so either we need to drop that autostart or to get the binary back ;-)10:47
didrocksseb128: when I told you I didn't investigate… :-)10:47
pittiseb128: yes, it has always required to have current apt indexes10:47
didrockslet me see where is the binary10:47
seb128pitti, yeah, ignore me, it's always the same "you need to get online to get jockey to tell you this box needs binary drivers to get internet to work"10:48
pittiethernet FTW :)10:48
seb128I've on cable only on my desktop and my laptop is docked with it right now10:48
seb128if IRC wouldn't suck and handle the eth to wifi change I would grab it ;-)10:49
pittiback in ~ 1 hour10:49
seb128didrocks, don't bother I will sort that10:51
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone10:51
seb128didrocks, upstream got an autostart for it it seems so in any case the debian one should be dropped10:51
seb128hey chrisccoulson, how are you?10:51
chrisccoulsonhey seb128, i'm good thanks. i got a bit of a sleep in today :)10:51
chrisccoulsonhow are you?10:51
seb128I'm fine thanks10:52
didrocksseb128: oh ok, so we just don't install the upstream one. Thanks for working on this. I'm stopping looking and go back to hacking :)10:52
didrockshey chrisccoulson10:52
chrisccoulsonhey didrocks, how are you?10:55
didrockschrisccoulson: I'm fine thanks, it's quite hot here! :)10:55
chrisccoulsonnice! it's not so hot here today10:55
chrisccoulsonalthough, still quite warm10:56
chrisccoulsonmy laptop doesn't like the heat ;)10:56
chrisccoulsonis anybody having issues with flash in ff3.6.6?11:05
baptistemma lot of message stating that flash is taking too much cpu?11:05
chrisccoulsonbaptistemm, i was thinking more along the lines of the flash content not displaying at all ;)11:06
chrisccoulsonit seems a lot of users have issues with the flash plugin crashing after upgrading to 3.6.611:07
chrisccoulsonon lucid and hardy11:07
seb128chrisccoulson: wfm on maverick11:07
chrisccoulsonseb128, thanks11:07
chrisccoulsoni'm a bit stuck, i can't recreate it and i'm not sure what to do to debug it really :/11:07
seb128it's a crashing issue? on what arch?11:09
seb128chrisccoulson: what flash version do they use as well?11:10
seb128my laptop was running lucid with the mozilla security ppa versions until yesterday and I didn't get any crash11:10
chrisccoulsonseb128 - they're using the adobe-flashplugin package from the partner repository11:10
seb128chrisccoulson: did you get bugs on i386? or is that amd64 rather?11:11
chrisccoulsonseb128 - just i386. the new OOPP feature doesn't work for the plugin on amd6411:12
chrisccoulsonwhich seems to be what is causing all the issues11:12
seb128is there a way to trigger the bug? how often does it crash?11:13
seb128I'm not using flash a lot11:13
seb128but I do browse quite some website with flash advertissements etc11:13
chrisccoulsonseb128 - for some users, it just crashes right away on any page with flash content11:15
chrisccoulsoni'm wondering if i can get apport to catch the crashes from the plugin-container process11:16
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pittididrocks: wrt. bug 600567, I assume nouveau doesn't have 3D; so is that because we do not currently have an automatic fallback to -efl?12:17
ubot2Launchpad bug 600567 in netbook-meta (Ubuntu) "Netbook launcher doesn't start (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60056712:17
didrockspitti: right, there is no netbook-launcher and unity doesn't have a fallback12:18
pittithanks; that's something for the release notes12:18
pittididrocks: is there already a bug for this, or should I brush this up a little and make it the master bug?12:18
didrockspitti: there is a blueprint for fallback but nobody to implement it seriously12:18
pittididrocks: oh, is that hard to do? I thought unity would just need to exec n-l-efl if it sees that it doesn't have (enough) 3D?12:19
didrockspitti: you have to start gnome-panel too, and so on12:20
pittiright, so not n-l-efl, but gnome-session12:20
didrockspitti: and my fallback system doesn't catch all corner cases12:20
didrocksgnome-session is already run, you just need to execute additional component12:20
didrocksI *could* maybe retake my work done, but integrating that in jockey would have more sense (setting the default session)12:21
didrocksthere was a discussion and blueprint at UDS about that, ask ogra12:21
* pitti searches for the spec, to link against the bug12:21
ograpitti, linaro took the spec but then didnt have the resources12:22
pittiah, that's the one I just found; thanks12:22
ograi'll care for lightweight panel and if possible at least set the default session to une-efl on armel12:23
ogradidrocks, btw, the session is still called like that, right ?12:25
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pittiok, bug updated and added to tech overview12:25
didrocksogra: I think so, I didn't touch it, IIRC n-l-efl has the .desktop file (the name is the .desktop file one)12:26
didrockspitti: thanks12:26
ogradidrocks, thanks12:27
mvokiwinote: thanks for your mail/status update. one thing I would love to see is a quick look on the start speed, it feels like we are regressing here. not ugent, just wanted to mention it12:28
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alf__slomo: Would you prefer libcairo-script-interpreter in a separate binary package or as part of libcairo2?12:49
slomoalf__: a new libcairo with only the script interpreter? no, i think i'd prefer to have it in the main libcairo212:50
slomoalf__: or is it a separate library anyway?12:50
alf__slomo: It is a separate library (note that the relevant headers are already shipped in libcairo2-dev)12:51
slomoalf__: how large?12:52
alf__slomo: 137312 bytes stripped12:53
vishseb128: hi , for Ibus bugs, merge is OK , or.. ? I'm not sure where upstream for IBus is12:54
slomoalf__: well, put it in libcairo2 but not in the udeb, ok? ;)12:54
alf__slomo: of course :)12:54
seb128vish, I've no clue about ibus12:54
vishseb128: who looks after IBus?  ArneGoetje ?13:02
seb128if somebody does ArneGoetje is your best guess indeed13:02
seb128hum, iz pitti bog13:05
seb128bug #570462 is due to the lazy init change13:06
ubot2Launchpad bug 570462 in libnotify (Ubuntu) "Crash if no notification used (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57046213:06
* pitti looks13:19
didrocksgoing for a break and some errands before unity release, bbiab13:19
pittiseb128: ah, I'll have a look13:20
seb128pitti, thanks13:20
pittiseb128: fix pushed upstream, and bug updated; does that break anything serious?13:35
pittiI just get an assertion error on stderr, but no actual crash13:35
seb128pitti, thanks, no I guess it's only the assertion13:36
pittiseb128: on that note, git head requires gtk 3..13:37
seb128pitti, feel free to unassign yourself from the bug, I plan to sync the new libnotify on debian, I think that fix can wait the next tarball13:37
pittiseb128: will do once it bores me; but for now I want to wait for the reporter's confirmation13:37
pittithat it wasn't a real crash13:38
seb128pitti, it should not?13:38
seb128depends on gtk313:38
pittiseb128: upstream git head, not our package13:38
pittiupstream is at 0.5.0, we have 0.4.513:38
seb128pitti, I've 0.5.0 locally13:38
seb128I'm reviewing bugs before syncing it from debian13:39
pittiok, then they changed it after 0.5.013:39
pittichecking for GTK3... configure: error: Package requirements (gtk+-3.0) were not met:13:39
seb128pitti, I guess it's the recent commit to not depends on a specific gtk version13:39
seb128they use it only for a test13:39
seb128seems it could be optional13:39
seb128pedro_, hey13:46
pedro_hello seb12813:46
seb128pedro_, could you try to validate the few desktop sru bugs still blue on the list today?13:46
seb128pedro_, how are you btw? ;-)13:47
pedro_seb128, yes i'll have a look into those, i'm all into testing today ;-)13:47
pedro_seb128, I'm good, thanks. what about you?13:48
* pedro_ syncing latest isos13:48
seb128I'm fine thanks13:48
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alf__slomo: It seems the perf tools also need /usr/lib/cairo/libcairo.so. I can put it in the new cairo-perf-utils package, make a separate package or put it in the libcairo2 package. What would you recommend?14:14
and471mvo: you free for a question?14:14
alf__slomo: oops, I meant /usr/lib/cairo/libcairo-trace.so.*14:15
slomoalf__: i don't understand what you mean14:15
alf__slomo: the build produces /usr/lib/cairo/libcairo-trace.so.* which is not in any binary package at the moment.14:16
chrisccoulsonhmmmm, i can get the flash plugin to crash frequently in KVM by browsing youtube14:16
chrisccoulsonbut gdb says the crash happens deep inside the flash player14:17
chrisccoulsonoh well ;)14:17
alf__slomo: But the perf utils (cairo-trace in particular) needs this library. I was wondering what is the best package to put it in.14:17
mvoand471: sure14:19
slomoalf__: put the library in libcairo2 as discussed and the utilities in the -dev package maybe14:19
and471mvo, in software-center, to connect javascript functions to python functions, you change the title and then bind the title change signal, is this correct?14:20
mvoand471: yes14:20
mvoand471: nowdays it could be done with intercepting JS altert signals too, but in general the support is limited14:21
and471mvo, what would you say is the best way?14:21
mvoand471: there is a good chance that this goes away btw, nzmm is working on a native gtk view for the backend14:21
alf__slomo: Sure, although we are not talking about the same library now (the previous one was libcairo-script-interpreter.so.*)14:21
and471mvo, gwibber uses links and parses them {(if they start with gwibber:14:21
mvoand471: I think it does not matter, title change should be fine14:21
and471mvo, oh cool :-)14:22
and471mvo, thanks for the advice :-)14:22
alf__slomo: I was thinking of creating a new package for the utilities (eg cairo-perf-utils) but I guess putting them in -dev is fine14:22
and471mvo, how will the gtk backend work? with cairo?14:22
mvoand471: sure, np. I think all ways are equally good/bad14:22
mvoand471: yeah, cairo and lots of manual work14:22
and471mvo, fun fun14:23
and471mvo, I shall leave you now :-) see you later14:23
slomoalf__: ok14:34
seb128desrt, hey there?14:37
desrtseb128: hi.  what's up?15:05
seb128desrt, hey15:08
desrtam i in trouble? :)15:08
seb128desrt, you still recommend not shipping the gconf gsettings backend?15:08
desrtthat's correct.15:08
desrtit has priority of -1 for a reason :)15:09
seb128desrt, no, rather I figured we lack the schemas conversion utility and the config migration one because we turn that option off in the gconf build15:09
desrtit might be appropriate to ship them in a separate package15:09
seb128desrt, I guess I will turn the option on but not include the backend in the binary15:09
desrtthe config migration *should* be shipped by default15:09
desrtthe schema-migration and backend could be useful in a separate package, indeed15:10
seb128is the backend required for gsettings-schema-convert?15:10
desrtgsettings-schema-convert used to be in glib15:10
seb128ok, so I will just ship that one with gconf15:10
seb128and don't bother with the backend15:11
desrtwe took it out of glib because (sadly) it's quite totally unmaintained15:11
desrtvuntz wrote it and forgot about it, basically15:11
desrtvuntz: bad vuntz :p15:11
seb128libglib2.0-doc: /usr/share/doc/libglib2.0-doc/gio/gsettings-schema-convert.html15:11
seb128not sure if that's fixed in git or still there or wanted15:11
desrtit's gone in git15:11
desrtwhat release was that .html in?15:12
seb128desrt, doh, I upgraded the lib but not the api binary15:12
seb128ok, better now15:13
seb128desrt, thanks15:13
desrtseb128: so what's your official policy on gtk3?15:15
desrtkeeping it off the CD?15:15
seb128getting the stack ready this cycle as much as we can15:18
seb128but not having to deal with fitting 2 gtk stack on the CD15:18
desrtso any app that wants to be on the CD has to be able to build against 2.9x15:18
seb1282.2x rather15:18
desrtso 3.x will be in the archive?15:18
seb128we will likely backport gtkapplication to it though15:18
seb128since that's about the only api required to build updates with gtk215:19
seb128desrt, yes, likely in main but not on the CD15:19
desrtthat's pretty reasonable15:19
desrti guess maverick+1 will be the 2->3 flagday?15:19
desrtie: switch the CD to gtk3-only15:19
seb128desrt, as said the issue is that we don't think we will be able to port the whole CD to gtk3 (hello firefox etc) and we don't think we can deal with fitting 2 gtk stacks while working details15:19
gicmoah firefox15:20
seb128so we want everything to be ready to transition for maverick15:20
gicmohow cares about firefox15:20
gicmowho needs a browser?!15:20
seb128and migrate next cycle15:20
desrtseb128: sounds great15:20
seb128gicmo, that's the spirit ;-)15:20
seb128desrt, ;-)15:20
seb128desrt, we will likely get GNOME3 or part of it being worked in a ppa15:21
seb128it will have a double advantage15:21
seb128it doesn't break maverick15:21
seb128and we will be able to keep working on it after freeze etc15:21
desrtseb128: btw...15:22
desrtwhy do i have an ubuntu logo instead of a gnome foot in my panel in stracciatella? :)15:22
seb128hum, seems a bug ;-)15:23
desrtyes!  it does!15:23
seb128pitti, ok, so how likely will we need to respin a2 images?15:24
seb128pitti, or said otherwise, can I upload my gconf update? ;-)15:24
pittiseb128: go ahead; ubuntu ones are fine15:24
seb128pitti, thanks15:25
pittiseb128: still waiting for any test result on kubuntu alternates, but gconf doesn't affect them15:25
desrtthe gconf->gsettings migration situation is dismal :(15:26
desrtwe have like... empathy, gedit, eog, evince15:27
desrttotem, i think15:27
desrta few small others, but that's about it15:27
didrocksyeah, your email was quite clear that maintainers should trust gsettings now (hey desrt btw o/)15:29
alf__slomo: debian bug #58777115:30
ubot2Debian bug 587771 in cairo "Package cairo-perf utilities" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/58777115:30
ronocbl8: hey, so mirsal will definitely finish the mpris spec by the end of this week, I plan to work on the mpris 2 support from early next week. So you should have a compliant mpris v2 sound menu for next thurs (implementing play, skip, previous and metadata). the scrub bar is coming shortly,16:06
chrisccoulsonhmm, is anyone having difficulty connecting to LP?16:07
seb128it's down it seems16:07
seb128I can't access my emails either16:07
seb128ok, it's abck16:11
jcastrodidrocks: have you guys seen this wrt oneconf? https://launchpad.net/stipple16:12
didrocksjcastro: yeah, we even talked before with duanedesign when she saw the OneConf initiative (it was before UDS)16:13
jcastrooh ok, rock16:13
didrocksjcastro: basically, OneConf will be the simple case, that most of our user expect16:13
didrocksstipple will be the CLI which will do what OneConf doesn't do16:13
* jcastro nods16:13
didrocksjcastro: if you have some time, the OneConf backend is totally ready, with autoupdating too (but need a coming release of update-notifier)16:15
jcastrodidrocks: my syncing is so unreliable I doubt I could be useful. However popey seemed keen to start playing with it.16:17
didrocksjcastro: ok, I'll see with him later :-)16:17
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jcastrodidrocks: did the amd64 builds of unity places and files get resolved? still missing for me17:32
didrocksjcastro: still missing? last time I check (on Monday), it was about building, let me finish current release first17:32
jcastrook just wondering17:33
didrocksjcastro: they are built https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-place-files/0.5.2-0ubuntu1/+build/1810913 and https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-place-applications/0.2.1-0ubuntu1/+build/181092117:37
didrocksjcastro: did you apt-get install them?17:37
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pittialpha-2 is out, go break the archive18:06
* didrocks uploads :-)18:07
chrisccoulsonheh, i can't believe how quickly this cycle has flown past me ;)18:07
slomoalf__: thanks18:08
ogradidrocks, so i finally managed to get netbook 2D up on arm, and i end up with two panels18:54
ograactually with a desktop session that has the efl launcher as desktop18:55
didrocksogra: yeah, that's the une 2D session, great :)18:55
ograwell, i'd like the old 2D session back :)18:55
ograwith one panel18:55
ograand no menu etc18:56
ograwhere is that gone ?18:56
didrocksogra: you never had it in the -efl session19:04
didrocksogra: it was the une one fallbacking to n-l-efl19:04
didrocksogra: but you were in une session, not -efl19:04
didrocksogra: I've proposed many times to create a settings package :)19:04
ograso i need to create a proper session then i guess19:04
ograwell, i'll do that then :)19:05
didrocksogra: yeah, you can have a look at the ubuntu-netbook-default-settings package19:05
ografor A319:05
didrocks(lucid one, not maverick)19:05
didrocksyou will see which gconf key you need to change19:05
didrocksand I suggest moving the .desktop session file there too19:05
ograwhere do you set the default session that gdm picks ?19:05
ogracurrently thats pointing to unity for me19:05
didrocksogra: I've made a script call /usr/lib/gdm/gdm-set-default-session19:06
ograwhich i dont want19:06
ograi'll check that, thanks19:06
didrocksogra: look at ubuntu-netbook-default-settings, I execute it in postinst19:06
didrocksin any case, do not hesitate :)19:06
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chrisccoulsonhmmm, libappmenu is making firefox crash like crazy :/19:38
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seb128chrisccoulson: weird, tell tedg or bratsche20:00
* tedg knows nothing bratsche is the guy there20:09
bratscheYeah, it probably should not be loaded for Firefox.20:10
lamalextedg: congrats on the baby20:10
tedglamalex, Thanks, but not quite yet.  Gotta wait a few more weeks :)20:12
lamalexbaby, almost-baby20:13
lamalexsame thing20:13
tedglamalex, Heh, tell my 8mo pregnant wife that -- she's ready to be done being pregnant :)20:13
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seb128cassidy, hi, did you see bugs similar to bug #597556?21:32
ubot2Launchpad bug 597556 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Cannot complete Empathy add account wizard (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59755621:32
seb128didrocks, ^ could you try this one tomorrow to make sure it's not a breakage in the sru update which just went to lucid-updates?21:33
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