=== blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [00:54] Yay. My service in the US Navy has been retained. I'm no longer jobless [01:54] lex79: I should be able to get to it later tonight. [01:54] DarkwingDuck: Congratulations. [01:55] lex79: Does -workspace need uploading? [01:58] thanks ScottK [01:58] :) [01:58] DarkwingDuck congrats for something [01:59] jjesse: Not being unemployed. [01:59] jjesse: i get to keep my job [01:59] yay [01:59] that's awesome [01:59] oh yeah [02:00] miltary right? [02:00] yes [02:00] Navy [02:00] nice [02:00] now if we can just find a job for nixternal [02:01] yeah i know [02:05] ScottK: when you get a chance to look at kdeutils, could you also push konversation through new queue please? [02:07] I'll try. [02:07] ScottK: yes for -workspace [02:08] * ScottK looks at JontheEchidna to take care of workspace then. [02:08] OK [02:08] Thanks. Back later. [02:08] also this please https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/600722 [02:08] Launchpad bug 600722 in meta-kde (Ubuntu) "kde-standard: Depends: korganizer (>= 4:4.4.90) but it is not going to be installed" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:30] is the official name Kubuntu Netbook Remix or Kubuntu Netbook Edition? [03:57] jjesse: Officially it's Kubuntu Netbook Remix. [04:08] are there any major Known Issues for Alpha2 that should be mentioned ? [04:08] in the release notes [04:35] Probably, not sure what though. It's working well enough for me. I mean it's an Alpha, if you install it on something you care about and it eats your system, don't be suprised if people see humor in that. [04:48] there are the usual caveats :) plus the default browser is still Konq, at least in terms of System Settings :) [04:48] it is working very well for me too, but I just installed it [04:49] except for rekonq crashing before I could save my wiki work :( [05:47] Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/Alpha2/Kubuntu [05:49] claydoh: doh We want to hear what you think about this Alpha 2 Release of Kubuntu 10.04. We want to know if it Rocks, if it is just OK, or it is flat out wrong. No matter the feedback, as long as it is in line with the Ubuntu Code of Conduct we would like to hear it. [05:49] claydoh: s/10.04/10.10 [05:49] :P [05:53] :P thats why I have preoof readers :) [05:54] err proof readers [05:54] I do have my new glasses, honest! [06:26] JontheEchidna: We need to wait until Knoversation is built on more archs to pull it out of New. [08:35] \o/ only one exam left [08:45] JontheEchidna: umbrello falls over when trying to import libqapt :P [09:34] kubotu: np [09:34] apachelogger listened to "Monster" by Beatsteaks [Smacksmash, 2004] 7 days ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/09RX0f7At2hnLRpZtz5YBx] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more [09:34] hm [09:34] ah right [09:34] * apachelogger noticed that last.fm is loads of inefficient during startup ^^ [09:45] ofirk_: it is Mozilla Firefox not Firefox [09:46] http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour <-- using latter here [09:51] JontheEchidna, Riddell: shall I upload my super awesome desktop file patch? [09:54] kubotu: topic del 4 === kubotu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Alpha 2 released! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay Wed 7th July 18:00UTC | Lex is kubuntu-developer \o/ [09:54] lex79: congrats btw :) [09:56] [messages] zepires * 1145218 * trunk/l10n-kde4/pt/messages/ (5 files in 5 dirs) Finished HEAD for now [09:58] * apachelogger throws translations after JontheEchidna [09:58] fix0rd [09:59] shadeslayer, bulldog98, Quintasan, lex79: suggestions on how to improve ninja packaging quality? [10:01] apachelogger: yes go for it [10:01] okies [10:08] [kdelibs] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100702090803-0ehr7p80vrhrp0ha * releasing version 4:4.4.90-0ubuntu2 [10:15] Gosh, that upgrade from Lucid to Maverick was pretty smooooth :-p [10:16] * Trouble risks turning on desktop effects now he's upgraded [10:21] rc1 rox [10:22] i have again working wallpapers lol [10:31] Wha thappened to the weather wallpaper? [10:33] Sho_ just mentioned this in #konversation, I thought I'd share: http://vimeo.com/13009589 [10:55] tsimpson: hahahahah [11:15] did he call chrome stupid ^^ :D [11:30] * Trouble turns desktop effects off again :-( === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:09] chromium still doesnt play videos through the vlc or kaffeine plugins [13:10] and I still dont understand why ubuntu installs a pae kernel and kubuntu a standard one... [13:11] wah? [13:11] ubuntu also installs -generic [13:11] last I checked only -server shipped with pae enabled [13:14] apachelogger: curious. Ive a 10.04 install here that installed pae [13:15] all I know is that the kernel should be set by foundations independent of ubuntu and kubuntu, so they should have the very same kernel installed [13:15] maybe the ubuntu ubiquity did some stuff to get pae in [13:16] hi all [13:16] hello Mamarok [13:16] I have 2 packages kept back in the kde 4.5 rc1: kde-config-phonon-xine and kde-sc-dev-latest [13:16] the first is kept back since beta1 [13:17] sudo apt-get install kde-config-phonon-xine [13:21] apachelogger: that worked, but for the kde-sc-dev-latest I get this error: [13:21] kde-sc-dev-latest: Depends: pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.9.1) but 0.8.0ubuntu2~lucid1~ppa4 is to be installed [13:21] seems a big version difference [13:27] aiht, that sounds wrongish [13:28] BUG [13:28] lex79: ^ if you could take a look at that [13:28] * apachelogger is about to leave for last exam this semester \\o/ [13:36] apachelogger: know how to fix CIA? I don't [14:04] * JontheEchidna grumbles @ glib: http://pastebin.com/UGn2Xdxv [14:07] * ScottK vaguely recalls someone needing http://incoming.debian.org/qt-assistant-compat_4.6.3-1.dsc [14:07] For Lucid ... [14:10] * ScottK gives apachelogger the "Yes, I felt like writing a novel" award for his debian/changelog entry in kde4libs. [14:11] novel changelog entries are awesome [14:14] ScottK: looks like konversation's built on everything but sparc now. [14:15] JontheEchidna: OK. I'll try and take a look this morning. sparc will fail in any case (and we don't care about sparc even more) [14:15] thanks [14:15] It was just done on i386 when I looked last night. [14:16] JontheEchidna: Did you look at -workspace yet? [14:16] ScottK: yup, uploaded [14:17] Cool [14:23] Riddell: qmf is in New if you have a free moment. [14:27] JontheEchidna: I don't see this new package documented any debian/changelog? [14:27] ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+changelog [14:28] JontheEchidna: I was talking about konversation. [14:28] Did Debian do this split also? [14:28] ScottK: yes, it was picked up as part of the merge [14:28] OK. So their bad on the lack of documentation. [14:29] JontheEchidna: Accepted. [14:29] ScottK: they documented it in the entry for 1.3~beta1-2 [14:29] ScottK: thanks [14:29] OK. I guess I didn't look back far enough. [14:55] apachelogger: well... what do we want to improve is the question :) [15:10] last exam done \o/ [15:11] I am now a fulltime slave of ubuntuone \o/ [15:11] \o/ [15:11] ScottK: better too much documentation than too little, right? ;) [15:11] shadeslayer: quality of packages for example :P [15:11] or maybe we could make the process faster? [15:25] apachelogger: Certainly. [15:28] oh dear [15:29] * apachelogger got invited to a party and hadn't slept very well these couple of days -.- [15:29] * apachelogger needs to buy some additional youth, his is already used up ^^ [15:33] apachelogger: coffee works as a reasonable substitute. [15:35] not for me :/ [15:35] Probably not dosing sufficiently then. [15:39] well, I need to go to the train station soonish anyway, supposedly I could get a liter of coffee there ;) [15:47] As long as there are proper facilities on the train, yes (not sure what kind of train you are catching) [15:50] come to think of it, the trains will most likely burst today, seeing as today ought to be the end of semester for pretty much all students in Graz and Graz is like 75% students... [15:50] OTOH [15:50] maybe I should travel business class ^^ [16:01] apachelogger: student class maybe.. but business class? [16:01] I am ubuntuone-kde overlord :P [16:02] apachelogger: I will believe it when I have it working on my system [16:02] * txwikinger disabled all ubuntu-one nonsense due to too many issues [16:02] ah [16:02] you cannot disable the cloud :P [16:02] and the cloud is issued alright [16:02] no bookmark sync for ages now [16:05] * ScottK finds akonadi-kde-resource-googledata works nicely (although not for bookmarks). [16:06] Double win with Android sync from Google. [16:07] * shadeslayer thinks about what apachelogger means [16:08] apachelogger: well... we already have the fastest PPA on earth :p [16:08] so no point of poking the build process... [16:09] * shadeslayer finds RC1 sluggish [16:09] * ScottK recommends not thinking too hard about what apachelogger says, it can be confusing. [16:09] shadeslayer: Better than the beta was, IME. [16:10] * txwikinger agrees with ScottK [16:10] shadeslayer: wrong attitude [16:10] ScottK: seriously... my qipmsg package for example.. and then the mail on kubuntu devel to which apachelogger replied too... [16:10] apachelogger: 0_o [16:10] one can always improve [16:10] apachelogger: :P [16:10] apachelogger: get canonical to improve the hardware? :D [16:11] right now I see that we there were at least 2 file conflicts emerging in the published PPA packages [16:11] that should be 0 [16:11] apachelogger: i think we need more of user feedback on this,they are the ultimate consumers of KDE [16:11] +packaging [16:11] so how to do that? [16:11] like what goes wrong during their upgrade and stuff [16:12] apachelogger: something during dev week? [16:12] like we have a session in which the community asks us questions [16:12] OR [16:12] you want something persistent and that needs a plan first ;) [16:12] we had kubuntu-testers at some point [16:12] apachelogger: we make a new channel #kubuntu-feedback [16:12] though I did not see much testing coming out of it [16:13] apachelogger: i joined and tested :P [16:13] shadeslayer: you want it long term [16:13] we do not need feedback once every 6 months [16:13] we need feedback for each KDE release [16:13] on every version we deploy on [16:13] apachelogger: yes,i mean we get feedback for every KDE release there [16:13] BEFORE we push the packages public [16:13] specifically for KDE releases [16:13] apachelogger: oh.. [16:13] * txwikinger wants more unit testing [16:14] if we publish crap then all the feedback of the world will not help [16:14] apachelogger: recommending staging PPA would be a bad idea... [16:14] how to prevent self-appointed gurus of recommending it to noobs? [16:14] * shadeslayer finds the copy dialog crappy in 4.5 [16:14] LongPointyStickOfDoom(tm) [16:14] I know of people who added our PPAs to the Kubuntu setup of thei dear ones [16:15] ScottK: LongPointyKDEStickofDoom [16:15] Hobbsee could destroy them all ... [16:15] true [16:15] hehe :P [16:16] oh whee... first plasma crash on 4.5 [16:17] * shadeslayer feels like going back to beta [16:18] seems like ive gone back to Win XP on my P3 [16:18] so slow? [16:18] yeah [16:19] dolphin hangs,cant copy 3x1.4GB files onto a external HD at once.. crashes [16:19] well.. i have some kde* updates coming through [16:19] why are there so many regressions after beta? [16:19] that should not happen [16:20] * txwikinger thinks unit testing could help a lot to prevent regressions [16:20] and now the write speed is down to 300 KBps -.- [16:20] * ScottK suspects the kernel, not KDE. [16:25] apachelogger: ScottK Riddell rekonq 0.5 release on Monday [16:25] anyoneelsewhocaresandisntsubscribedtorekonqml^^ [16:27] when reporting a bug, how can i tell if it is a packaging bug or an upstream bug? [16:27] mfraz74: uh.. whats the problem? [16:28] if a app crashes and a kdebugdialog comes up,kde bug.. if upgrades dont go smoothly packaging bug ( in general ) [16:28] but it really depends on the problem [16:28] shadeslayer: nothing now, just something I read on one of the kubuntu announcements saying that use launchpad for packaging bugs and bugs.kde.org for upstream bugs [16:28] :) [16:28] thx [16:29] mfraz74: well in general the above statement should suffice... correct me if im wrong :P [16:30] ok [16:30] apachelogger: oh oh question... why doesnt the device notifier plasmoid power down external USB devices? [16:30] it's good to see some my reported bugs geting fixed :) [16:30] like external HD's ... eject in nautilus powers them down [16:30] * claydoh points out that there is pretty near instant feedback for each pre-release in kubuntuforums..... [16:31] so it *is* possible .. but not implemented in KDE [16:31] * shadeslayer has never used forums [16:31] but you just have to read them :) [16:31] i prefer mailinglists to forums [16:31] most people do not use irc [16:32] the kubuntu users list is tiny and not much for testing [16:32] they expect perfection +1 [16:32] claydoh: that's true, but for testing i use irc which is more real time [16:33] yeah, but for user feedback as was mentioned above [16:33] it is one resource [16:33] mfraz74: ++ [16:34] and that is why kubuntu has 3+ separate communities, more or less, no one want to go outside their boxes sometimes :( [16:35] imo revive kubuntu testers + forums + IRC [16:36] * claydoh sees no real way to connect the parts, outside of getting just a few to 'cross over' some times (kudos apachelogger in kubuntuforums!) [16:37] i suppose there are fewer IRC users these days [16:37] claydoh: did you correct the release page? [16:37] shadeslayer: yes, I did [16:37] :) [16:37] thank you! :) [16:38] np [16:38] what is the URL of the kubuntu maverick alpha 2 page? [16:38] ScottK: JontheEchidna btw who was going to upload desktopcouch? [16:39] Not /me [16:39] well its JontheEchidna then :P [16:39] mfraz74: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/Alpha2/Kubuntu [16:39] Did the desktopcouch maintainers approve? [16:39] claydoh: thx, couldn't find any sign of a link to that page anywhere [16:40] uh.. didnt ask :( [16:40] JontheEchidna: will do [16:40] very sparse, sorry. Ubuntu don't seem to be using their usual wiki pages for their release notes [16:40] * shadeslayer was busy with #hackers-india meet :P [16:40] shadeslayer: please get one of them to sponsor, or subscribe ubuntu-sponsors [16:40] I would not feel comfortable sponsoring desktopcouch [16:40] ah ok [16:41] so I kept to the standard locations for our notes [16:42] claydoh: is it ok for me to edit that wiki page? there are a few mentions of lucid [16:42] arggghh.. [16:42] of course you can [16:42] claydoh: theres just one :P [16:43] uh.. mfraz74^^ [16:43] shadeslayer: ok i exaggerated a bit! [16:44] nice, we got an ARM FTBFS fix on a Qt package from an @canonical address: bug 600820 [16:44] Launchpad bug 600820 in ugene (Ubuntu) "ftbfs on arm; casting error for doube vs qreal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/600820 [16:44] ooooh [16:45] #chromiumfail on maverick [16:45] mfraz74: odd as I did the text mostly from scratch [16:45] claydoh: :P [16:45] lol except for that one section [16:46] claydoh: lol [16:46] claydoh: and the one at the bottom :P [16:46] then of course rekonk crashed 9not a reason though) [16:46] no, I misstyped that one [16:47] though it is the same text that has been used before I think [16:52] btw have you guys seen our stickerzz ? [16:53] http://members.bas.org.in/kstar/himeetup/IMG_4581.JPG [16:56] shadeslayer: i can still see spaces for more stickers [16:56] mfraz74: my laptop has loads of space.. no stickers so far :P [16:56] * shadeslayer didnt get his laptop along [16:57] I'm glad I bought the Dell with the Ubuntu preinstall. The system won't boot to the CD drive. Their recommended solution was reflash the BIOS. I asked how when I couldn't boot the CD for that. They said, "No problem, you can download it and run it from your machine." The download was (predictably) a Windows executable. They are now "exploring options." [16:57] my laptop is soo naked, I just have 2 stickers [16:57] Since I bought it from them without Windows, they are sort of stuck figuring it out. [16:57] ScottK: dont you know [16:57] ScottK: there was a project about flashing bios from ubuntu [16:57] * shadeslayer has mail about this [16:58] claydoh: i just have the one sticker on the back. Are there going to be some new kubuntu stickers out soon? [16:58] shadeslayer: It's Dell's problem to figure it out. [16:58] :P [16:58] ScottK: well.. i can help you if you want :D [16:58] mfraz74: I only hope, tho I do like my 'classic' kubuntu stickers [16:58] ScottK: http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Repository/firmware [16:58] shadeslayer: Thanks [16:59] ScottK: np [16:59] claydoh: i do like them too, could do with a new kubuntu t-shirt to go with my new ubuntu one [17:00] so could I , but they dond't make them big enough for me :( [17:00] lol [17:01] is xxl too small? [17:01] yes, actually [17:01] too large :) [17:01] I am not slimming down fast enough [17:02] xxxl or even xxxxl [17:02] how bout medium :) [17:03] how about just selling sew on patches? [17:03] jjesse: i refuse to do the 'muffin top' thing :P [17:03] shadeslayer: That one says community support only, so I'm not going to try it (don't want to void the warranty). [17:03] thanks though [17:04] claydoh hahaha [17:04] i bet i am one of the few that could fit into a medium sized shirt in this channel [17:04] even if I go to Walmart, I won't [17:05] I am legitimately fat, though. I don't think many here are [17:05] had trouble updating the bios on my tosh nb100 [17:05] if you did any updates, the upgrader wouldn't work [17:06] i made an iso of the bios update floppy for my old Compaq, and used grub to boot from the iso [17:18] ScottK: well.. :P [17:19] ScottK: you just want to see Dell in pain [17:19] No. I want them to fix my system. [17:20] hehe :D [17:20] ScottK: ill probably never buy dell again tho [17:21] Asus maybe [17:21] ScottK: btw did you get a 3 years warranty? [17:23] Yes. [17:23] ScottK: good :) [17:23] They are going to send me a new machine. [17:24] * shadeslayer only had a 1 year warranty [17:24] IME Dell laptops aren't the best in the world, but they're support is top notch. [17:24] they're/their [17:24] Also I appreciate they invest in Ubuntu. [17:24] ScottK: yeah,my hardware went bad after 2 months of warranty expiratation [17:26] Mobo blew a chip [17:26] and they told me that the Mobo was of 10k INR,and warranty would cost 10k + cost of warranty :P [17:29] Always get the 3 year warranty on a laptop [17:30] They are going to replace the system ... [17:31] ScottK: my system was $$$$ already [17:31] 68k INR [17:31] ( Dell XPS M1530 ) [17:31] ScottK: got it fixed locally :P [17:32] for 4k INR [17:34] INR = rupees? [17:35] yes [17:35] $85.5 USD [17:35] probably [17:35] www.xe.com [17:42] anyone read [17:42] http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02appleletter.html [17:43] read about that earlier [17:44] Interesting. It's a math error, not physics. :-) [17:44] DarthFrog: its a stupid announcement [17:45] DarthFrog: if people were getting dropped calls,its because of faulty antenna design .. not a maths error [17:45] I eagerly await the consumer response. :-) [17:45] according to the announcement,if i have no bars,i should be able to make a call :P [17:46] No, other way around. The bars are supposedly over-representing signal strength. [17:46] wait.. that came out wrong.. [17:46] :P [17:47] Doesn't matter. Apple is evil. Stylish, but evil. :-) [17:49] DarthFrog: yeah [17:49] * shadeslayer would like a Apple iPad+Kubuntu [17:55] i'd settle for being able to have rockbox on a newer iPod or at least for Apple to allow oggs [18:14] Mamarok: I've just uploaded the fix for kde-sc-dev-latest [18:30] apachelogger: poke [18:31] ( if your around ) [18:31] hmm.. seems now [18:31] *not [18:31] lex79: around? [18:31] yes [18:31] lex79: kool,i need to split kopete [18:32] lex79: and then add a patch that will say " Install additional libraries to enable google chat call support " [18:32] ( basically call support is bringing in libavcodecs which has legal issues on CD ) [18:34] lex79: thanks I will try [18:34] np :) [18:34] lex79: look at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51164916/kdenetwork_4:4.4.90-0ubuntu1_4:4.4.90-0ubuntu2.diff.gz [18:35] now the only addition to get support are the additional deps and the modified install files [18:35] well, split the package then... :) [18:35] I don't know about the patch... [18:36] lex79: ill have a look at the other packages which do that kind of notifications [18:36] lex79: so.. what is the new package name? and.. will i have to make a whole new libkopete? [18:37] or just a new package with usr/bin/googletalk-call in install files [18:37] * shadeslayer thinks new libkopete [18:37] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdenetwork/ubuntu/revision/91 [18:37] seems only a package with usr/bin/googletalk-call [18:38] lex79: hmm.. im not entirely sure,i think we will need a new libkopete,since the library needs to be compiled with the gcall support stuff [18:38] oh, that is a problem I think :) [18:39] lex79: :) [18:39] lex79: so,new libkopete,right [18:39] nope, usually we don't do this [18:39] ow [18:39] what do we want to do ;) [18:40] I think nothing, you can't have the same libraries in two packages [18:40] lex79: hmm.. why not? we can add a replaces/conflicts for each of them [18:41] that is because we didn't ever include google talk support [18:41] uh.. [18:41] we did with last upload [18:42] thats why Riddell made a new upload [18:42] where? I don't see here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdenetwork/ubuntu/revision/88 [18:44] lex79: see debian/kopete.install [18:45] also the changelog ( the build deps were added to add gcall support [18:45] talk with Riddell is better, I never seen two package with the same libraries but built with different build-deps in a source package [18:45] hmm.. [18:45] lex79: well.. im guessing here :P [18:46] that we need to build the library seprately [18:47] maybe you mean in different source package, not in the kdenetwork source package [18:47] well talk with Riddell ;) [18:47] hehe [18:48] dont think it should be a different source package [18:52] "i think we will need a new libkopete,since the library needs to be compiled with the gcall support stuff" impossible have in the same source package a libkopete built against a set of build-deps and libkopete-googletalk built against a different set build-deps [18:52] but I can wrong, I never seen before :) [18:54] you have to split the source package [18:59] hmm [18:59] the only problem is the deps [18:59] only? [19:00] the source code has the gcall stuff [19:00] the deps are optional,enable them and you get gcall support [19:00] deps or build-depends? [19:00] build deps :D [19:01] lex79: export alias " deps=build-deps " [19:01] ( in my language :P ) [19:01] well, deps != build-depends :) [19:01] lex79: i know... i just have a habit of calling them that [19:02] so we return to the problem that I wrote there ^ [19:02] hehe :D [19:03] if the problem was only about the depends, you don't need to split the source package [19:03] :D [19:06] oh but that's sometimes wrong :) see plasma widgets google gadget, we have to split google gadget from -workspace since google-gadget-qt can't go in Main [19:06] ;) [19:07] lex79: so you guys split the source? [19:07] yes [19:07] lex79: so how do you do that? [19:09] chat with JR :) [19:09] ok :D [19:10] !debdiff is A simple way to patch debian packages is to attach a debdiff to a bug report,or send it to the team which handles the package,lear more about it here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Howtos/Debdiff [19:10] !debdiff is A simple way to patch debian/ubuntu packages is to attach a debdiff to a bug report,or send it to the team which handles the package,lear more about it here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Howtos/Debdiff [19:11] shadeslayer: i think that should be learn, not lear [19:11] yeah [19:11] corrected in PM === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [20:09] hm, anyone noticed, that copying an URL cause to appear a dialog twice or three times? [20:10] [muon] jmthomas * 1145393 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Detect whether a potential change will break the package. In the future, I'll extend this to show why the break happens, and once LibQApt has undo/redo going for it, I will auto-undo breaking potential changes [20:11]