[00:02] <jpds> patdk-wk: The US mirror servers I recommend are http://mirror.anl.gov/ (Chicago) and http://ubuntu.osuosl.org/ (multiple: http://ftpmap.osuosl.org/) - you'll probably get better speeds from the former.
[00:02]  * jpds pokes BUGabundo.
[00:03]  * BUGabundo feels poked
[00:03] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[00:03] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:03] <BUGabundo> over the ocean just to help us
[00:03] <BUGabundo> bah
[00:04] <jpds> fagan: "irish ones are better than the uk ones" ← are you referring to gb.archive ?
[00:04] <fagan> jpds: ill have you know I know the guys who run the irish ones
[00:04] <fagan> they are very good
[00:04] <fagan> and we have them all to ourselfves
[00:05] <fagan> muhhahahaha
[00:05] <jpds> I know, I wasn't saying that HEANet are bad; in fact I've had email conversations with them before IIRC.
[00:06] <fagan> jpds: met a few of them and they love landscape in their office
[00:06] <fagan> they have a private instance I hear
[00:06] <jpds> However, I do intend to give gb.archive more RAM in the coming weeks, which should make it a lot snapier.
[00:07] <h00k> I'm still having problems with btrfs any my SSD.  I have 'defaults,ssd' in my fstab, I'm still getting terrible speeds
[00:11] <shane_fagan> jpds: missed all that because I crashed
[00:11] <shane_fagan> what were you saying
[00:11] <jpds> shane_fagan: /msg
[00:11] <shane_fagan> fyi sometimes gstreamer makes your desktop become unresponsive if you change the song info
[00:13] <jpds> patdk-wk: FWIW, the mirrors I've mentioned are updated every 5 hours, regardless of what Launchpad says.
[00:17] <h00k> It took me 12+ hours to install from the alternate image to my SSD with btrfs, I was guided here to add 'ssd' to my fstab, I'm still getting really slow responses :(
[00:25] <BUGabundo> you too?
[00:26] <h00k> BUGabundo: are you having that, too?
[00:26] <BUGabundo> no
[00:26] <BUGabundo> I just notice it was both times, YOU
[00:26] <BUGabundo> :|
[00:27] <h00k> yeah...
[00:27] <h00k> perhaps I should report a bug
[00:28] <shane_fagan> ah I figured out what caused my crash the files werent right
[00:33] <h00k> I do see this, https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Is_Btrfs_optimized_for_SSD.3F
[00:33] <h00k> so...I don't know exactly what to do
[00:33] <Jordan_U> h00k: Took me about the same amount of time to install to btrfs with a virtual machine also.
[00:34] <h00k> Jordan_U: Yeah, definitely not very fast on my netbook. I don't know if it's because it is a SSD
[00:35] <shane_fagan> I havent tried btrfs but if its taking that long report a bug
[00:36] <Jordan_U> h00k: Since the same happened to me with a VM over a normal hard drive I doubt that it has anything to do with it being an SSD.
[00:36] <h00k> Would it actually be reported on the kernel or btrfs-tools?
[00:36] <shane_fagan> h00k: they do have a ssd optimised version that according to benchmarks its supposed to be faster
[00:36] <shane_fagan> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_netbook_fs&num=1
[00:37] <shane_fagan> but it depends on what you are doing
[00:37] <h00k> shane_fagan: according to the btrfswiki, it should be optimized already if it detects a non-spinning platter ^
[00:37] <shane_fagan> h00k: true
[00:37] <h00k> As of 2.6.31-rc1
[00:39] <h00k> so, does this get reported against btrfs or the kernel?
[00:40] <h00k> er, btrfs-tools, rather
[00:40] <shane_fagan> h00k: its the kernel id say
[00:41] <shane_fagan> h00k: if its not then the kernel devs will switch it to btrfs-tools
[00:41] <h00k> that's what I figured
[02:07] <KukuNut> Try A2 UNE but only gets the fuzzy purple cloud.  Would like to see what unity is
[02:08] <iddo> it works here
[02:08] <KukuNut> the 6/8 iso works btw..Does this one already has the unity interface?
[02:52] <mininessie> ubuntu sucks
[02:52] <maco> mininessie: thanks for letting us know
[02:53] <maco> if you can be more specific, bugs are filed using the "ubuntu-bug" command. thanks
[02:53] <mininessie> install fedora
[03:11] <IdleOne> maco: I believe it is time to switch distro.
[03:11] <maco> IdleOne: but mini suggested one that uses yum! if im goin anywhere its debian
[03:12] <IdleOne> Ubuntu is based off Debian. Logic dictates that Debian would suck also.
[03:12] <IdleOne> You can't argue that kind of logic
[03:12] <patdk-lap> sure one can
[03:13] <IdleOne> patdk-lap: ok, you can but would be wrong :P
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[03:30] <bjsnider> wait, ubuntu sucks, and the solution to this problem is to install fedora???
[03:31] <bjsnider> isn't that a bit like preventing future fires by burning down the forest?
[03:34] <jimerickson> yes thats it
[03:37] <patdk-lap> install opensuse?
[04:33] <KukuNut> A2 reboot is dropping to initramfs..Fatal: error inserting btrfs. Unknown symbol in module or unknown parameter
[04:33] <patdk-lap> using btrfs?
[04:34] <patdk-lap> ya, missing crc32c from initramfs
[04:34] <KukuNut> any fix?
[04:34] <patdk-lap> ya, add crc32c.ko to the initrd file
[04:35] <KukuNut> how?
[04:35] <patdk-lap> I so dont have time to hold your hand to do that
[04:35] <patdk-lap> why it's alpha :)
[04:35] <patdk-lap> and not stable :)
[04:35] <patdk-lap> google is your friend
[04:42] <KukuNut> patdk-lap: partitions are not encrypted
[04:42] <patdk-lap> what?
[04:42] <patdk-lap> what the hell does encryption have to do with anything?
[07:01] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo +1
[07:03] <Dat001> hi
[07:07] <Fudge> g'day guys
[07:09] <ActionParsnip> Yo Fudge
[07:21] <Fudge> im wondering if my speech components of my system are going to fall over with maverick
[07:21] <Fudge> opentts epech-dispatcher orca voxin speakup etc
[07:32] <Fudge> how do u tell apt-get to install packages that are kept back?
[07:32] <ddecator> if they are held back, it usually means it failed for your arch
[07:33] <ddecator> failed to build*
[07:33] <Fudge> oh, 64
[07:33] <ddecator> try again later and they should be available
[07:34] <Fudge> 249  not upgraded
[07:34] <Fudge> ok
[07:35] <ddecator> that'll happen a lot in development releases
[07:44] <Fudge> i just thought something wasnt working right on my box
[07:45] <Fudge> like had to take out the lucid repos in sources list or something
[07:49] <Fudge> oops it does that already :$
[07:50] <ddecator> yup :)
[07:50] <ddecator> or at least it's supposed to
[08:45] <Fudge> :D my bad
[10:07] <cousin_mario> hello
[10:07] <cousin_mario> will 10.10 have a less hideous color theme?
[11:54] <BUGabundo_remote> has there been any X updates today?
[11:54] <BUGabundo_remote> my machine is soooooooooooooooooooooooo slow
[11:54] <BUGabundo_remote> its making me cry
[11:54] <BUGabundo_remote> or throw it out of the window
[11:55] <tsimpson> you don't check what updates are being installed?
[11:58] <cousin_mario> is maverick meerkat going to be less ugly?
[12:00] <Dat001> I also hope there is a bit of an improvement but at this stage it looks the same to me
[12:03] <cousin_mario> Dat001: I'd content myself with a somewhat more palatable theme
[12:03] <cousin_mario> that starry pink thing is an eyesore
[12:05] <BUGabundo_remote> cousin_mario: s/ugly/pinky/
[12:06] <BUGabundo_remote> tsimpson: usually  I do... but today is not a good day... and ofc murphy law seems to have bitten me
[12:06] <cousin_mario> BUGabundo_remote: pinky is a subset of ugly
[12:07] <BUGabundo_remote> funny enough, your notices here show in pink
[12:07] <BUGabundo_remote> LOL
[12:07] <BUGabundo_remote> oh the irony
[12:08] <cousin_mario> for some reason, I suppose this: 13:08:39 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from BUGabundo_remote: Purple IRC
[12:09] <cousin_mario> is to blame
[13:51] <qense> Are there any WebM capable players in Maverick yet? Totem, VLC and GNOME MPlayer all don't work.
[13:52] <qense> I though the latest VLC release included WebM support by default, but maybe I was wrong.
[13:53] <gnomefreak> Rythembox doesnt? yes i fairly sure i spelled it wrong. im pre coffee
[13:53] <qense> Rhythmbox is using GStreamer, just as Totem, right?
[13:53] <qense> and can Rhythmbox play video?
[13:55] <qense> Maybe VLC needs some compiler flags enabled to depend in libvpx
[14:02] <ripps> I think the latest cairo screwed up some rendering in chromium
[17:19] <DrHalan> dopes anyone else have problems with evolutions message filters?
[17:20] <DrHalan> they don't seem to work on imap for me..
[17:25] <sebsebseb> Hi
[17:52] <BUGabundo_remote> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1542599/desktopsplit.png my IM screen
[18:21] <td123> ok, has ubuntu 10.10 alpha 2 forgotten to ship aptitude with it?!?!?!
[18:22] <guntbert> td123: you have to install it with apt-get obviously :-(
[18:22] <td123> ofc, but aptitude was always there by default
[18:22] <td123> has ubuntu decided that it doesn't need aptitude?
[18:24] <guntbert> !info aptitude maverick
[18:24] <guntbert> td123: its still available but "optional" now
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> They decided it wasn't worth the 3 MB of packages it brought on to the CD, when apt-get and graphical package managers are already there
[18:26] <td123> so they decided to make more room for backgrounds ... I'm glad it has it's proirities straight XD
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> um, yeah. no. I never said it was for backgrounds
[18:27] <td123> I know you didn't say that
[18:27] <cortex|sk> td123:  or maybe it was for for another mono based app :D
[18:27] <td123> cortex|sk: hopefully not :P
[18:31] <td123> oh well, I really liked aptitude, time to get used to apt-get again :P
[18:31] <td123> err. apt-*
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> or just sudo apt-get install aptitude and live life normally? :P
[18:32] <DrHalan> doesnt mono get dropped in this release?
[18:37] <td123> JontheEchidna: nah, I don't like to use non-default tools
[18:38] <guntbert> td123: if a tool moves from "default" to "optional" that doesn't mean it is less usable or less supported
[18:43] <DrHalan> lol :D
[18:43] <DrHalan> td123: the purpose of a repository is using stuff that is not preinstalled
[18:55] <td123> ya, but I like using the preinstalled stuff
[18:55] <DrHalan> lol
[19:00] <arand> was that about aptitude?
[19:00] <jo-erlend_> I thought Maverick would be based on gnome 2.30, but I see that applications like Evolution are still on 2.30.2, while Empathy is 2.31.3. Is this just temporary, or will Maverick stick with older software?
[19:01] <jo-erlend_> I mean I thought it would be based on gnome 2.32/3.0.
[19:02] <arand> It will do a migration which should be done in two realease I think, is the plan..
[19:03] <arand> There were some flames (~) about that on the gnome mailing list iirc...
[19:04] <DrHalan> yeah i was wondering too why some packages aren'T updated
[19:20] <iddo> gnome-shell --replace doesnt work hmm, could not load /usr/lib/mutter/plugins/libgnome-shell.so
[19:20] <iddo> any ideas? its netbook edition of maverick alpha2
[19:22] <sebsebseb> iddo: as far as I know, your not really meant to run gnome-shell on the netbook edition
[19:23] <iddo> i logged into normal gnome session before trying
[19:23] <iddo> i mean with gnome-panel etc.
[19:24] <sebsebseb> iddo: Thats got replaced or going to get replaced as far as I know, since Unity
[19:25] <sebsebseb> iddo: basically Unity or nothing for the netbook edition
[19:28] <sebsebseb> iddo: I have only briefly tried netbook edition in vm, however I know that at the moment users can get the normal Gnome, but probably not soon? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/600567
[19:35] <iddo> well, both unity and gnome-shell are 3d, using mutter and clutter
[19:41] <DrHalan> what is non 3d? you have cpu emulation for OpenGL in X...
[20:37] <BUGabundo> I knew there was something in todays updates
[20:37] <BUGabundo> machine is slow
[20:37] <BUGabundo> now has an all new icon desing
[20:45] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: The screenshot you linked to earlier, was sort of interesting,  altough I don't know why you linked to that.
[20:46] <BUGabundo> bha
[20:46] <BUGabundo> that was debian unstable
[20:46] <BUGabundo> with a really bad theme
[20:46] <sebsebseb> oh
[20:46] <BUGabundo> running pidgin and gwibber of my laptop
[20:46] <BUGabundo> with maverick, over SSH
[20:46] <sebsebseb> oh
[20:46] <BUGabundo> NX was kiling me...
[20:46] <BUGabundo> since the X is slow, NX was crawling to the point apps over SSH were faster
[20:46] <BUGabundo> go figure
[20:47] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: Have you done 10.10 with btrfs/
[20:47] <sebsebseb> ?
[20:47] <BUGabundo> no
[20:47] <BUGabundo> stock ext4
[20:48] <BUGabundo> in a single partition
[20:48] <sebsebseb> what you mean stock?
[20:48] <h00k> BUGabundo: I reported that btrfs problem yesterday
[20:49] <sebsebseb> Anyway this morning I downloaded the alternate and installed into a vm, but
[20:49] <sebsebseb> something went wrong
[20:49] <sebsebseb> woudn't put Grub 2 on.  I had done /boot in Ext4 and / in btrfs
[20:49] <BUGabundo> yeah
[20:49] <BUGabundo> patdk-wk: found the same prob
[20:49] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: h00k  's or mine?
[20:50] <BUGabundo> btrfs on boot failing
[20:50] <BUGabundo> damn it this new theme SUCKS
[20:50] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: new theme?
[20:50] <BUGabundo> its dark with light boxes
[20:50] <patdk-wk> hmm
[20:50] <BUGabundo> who the heck hit the head in the wall??
[20:50] <patdk-wk> my computer informed me poeple where talking of me
[20:51] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: uhmm I thought the 10.04 new themes sucked,  well black one was sort of ok, except for ugly window borders, and FIrefox looking uh
[20:51] <sebsebseb> anyway my vm something about  Grub 2 not being able to install to target
[20:52] <patdk-wk> I'm here for btrfs, not grub2 :)
[20:52] <sebsebseb> patdk-wk: well  I tried to do btrfs in vm this morning, but see above
[20:53] <sebsebseb> I wonder what will happen if I do the netbook version in vm.  1.  no  propritary driver installed on the host OS for nivida.  2.  Unity wants propritary driver working first
[20:53] <sebsebseb> so I guess it would  look like before or something without Unity
[20:54] <sebsebseb> patdk-wk: as for btrfs Fedora has had it for quite a while now
[20:55]  * patdk-wk wonders what fedora has to do with anything?
[20:55]  * patdk-wk leaves, talking to sebsebseb is useless
[20:56] <h00k> bug 600846
[20:56]  * patdk-wk has no issues with btrfs root :)
[20:56]  * patdk-wk doesnt have ssd though
[20:58] <h00k> I am using btrfs root with /boot on ext2
[21:31] <billybigrigger> anyone seeing wierd colors in images with firefox?
[21:52] <Roey> hello
[21:52] <Roey> when is k3b 2.0 coming to Lucid?
[21:54] <guntbert> Roey: this channel is for maverick - please ask in about lucid in #ubuntu - but usually versions don't get upgraded on a released version
[21:54] <Roey> that's what I figured
[21:54] <Roey> it's just that k3b 1.91 is the latest one ofr Lucid, and it itself is old (the k3b 1.x is on 1.93, which fixes a serious bug with m3u files)
[22:21] <BUGabundo> hey  billybigrigger billy
[22:21] <BUGabundo> not in firefox
[22:21] <BUGabundo> everywhere else: YES
[22:22]  * David-T recommends less acid
[22:46] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, sup
[22:46] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, i get it only in firefox
[22:46] <billybigrigger> almost like the nvidia -1000 hue bug all over again
[22:46] <billybigrigger> but everything isn't blue
[22:48] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[22:48] <BUGabundo> to me it's the icons and theme
[22:48] <BUGabundo> its all whitish