[00:56] I think my brain is melting like one of those wax droids. [01:15] pleia2: Does Ubuntu use SELinux? [01:24] doctormo: not really [01:24] there is an selinux package, but they really went the apparmor direction [01:24] pleia2: It's installed but the profiles are weak? [01:24] Ah AppArmor, thanks [01:54] jono, jcastro: If you enter a community which doesn't allow apturls in their comments, use this url: http://doctormo.org/apturl.pl?inkscape it does a redirect and allows you to install from a normal http link. [01:54] doctormo, nice! [01:54] I did this for deviantArt because they don't allow anything but http, (not even ftp the jerks) [01:54] But it might be useful to others [02:32] doctormo: Check your email ;) [02:42] doctormo: And http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#identify [03:21] nhandler: Perfect, thanks a lot for that. [03:21] Glad to help doctormo [03:22] nhandler: Now is there some furious fund I can pu a copper or two into in order to sort out Empathy? [03:22] I've got a bug list as long as an arm. [03:24] doctormo: Bug #1 Empathy is practically unusable as an irc client [03:24] But no, I'm not seeing any special place to donate for empathy or its devs [03:24] nhandler: Pretty much, I only get around some of the issues because a) I found out the way it does fav channels and b) I have nothing else to use. [03:24] * nhandler loves screen+irssi [03:25] I don't want anything cli based [03:25] xchat is one of the few fully functional gui irc clients for ubuntu [03:41] nhandler: Isn't that so sad, we use the tool so often for community use and yet we spend hardly any time making sure it works on our own plaform. [03:42] doctormo: Well, there isn't a lot that can be done for it downstream. It really needs to get a lot of love upstream. I still think xchat should get included, but that is just my 2 cents [03:44] I agree with your assessment, but downstream is still a force. [05:15] Good morning folks! [05:19] good morning nigelb! [05:20] hola ddecator. Still up eh? [05:20] nigelb: still got a few hours left in me :) [05:36] I come from the future! and I have a warning! Do NOT attempt to convert perl to python without a hazmat suite. [05:38] doctormo: you came around 10 years back with the same warning! Looks like you don't listen to yourself :p [05:38] * nigelb ducks [05:38] nigelb: It looks like a duck and quacks like a duck. [05:39] doctormo: but it doesn't code like a duck [05:39] I wish it bloody well did [06:03] wow, I just found the awesomest thing about a support channel for any oss software, the same people who ask for help answer others questions :) [06:26] nigelb: I'm trying to come up with a good python name for Data::Validate::XSD which I just translated, any ideas? [06:27] doctormo: translated from perl to python? [06:27] nigelb: Yes [06:27] * nigelb suggests asking dholbach - he's the python pro that I know [06:27] * nigelb is just a python hacker with some knowledge of LP api [06:28] good morning all [06:28] morning ara :) [06:33] morning ara [06:34] nigelb, ddecator: morning! :-) [06:42] nigelb: You have no ideas on names? [06:42] :-( [06:42] doctormo: It does look okay such :D [06:43] nigelb: Pardon? I don't have a name yet. [06:43] doctormo: your parents didn't give you one? i'm sorry [06:43] nigelb: http://doctormo.org/install.pl?cheese [06:44] Heh those urls work in irc [06:44] it works with firefox too [06:44] Perhaps a tool to use in the Community Weeks we have, to post apturls [06:44] apt://cheese [06:45] doctormo: I would suggest quassel if you want a gui client [06:45] nigelb: huh? [06:45] its pretty good and does the server + client setup like we folks do with screen [06:45] doctormo: er, the earlier discussion about irc and empathy [07:03] good morning [07:03] morning dholbach [07:04] morning dholbach [07:05] nigelb: Empathy is good? [07:05] doctormo: not good enough for me [07:05] nor me, but I use it anyway [07:05] I use irssi+screen so I can get onto my session from anywhere [07:05] (irssi + screen ftw) [07:06] quassel core + quassel does similar stuff too [07:07] I think a lot of kubuntu folks like jussi and maco use that [07:07] yep [07:07] hi nigelb, hi ddecator [07:07] * nigelb blinks [07:08] maco: dramatic entry ;) [10:35] aloha [11:21] morning czajkowski :) === randa_ is now known as randa [11:59] good afternoon [12:02] afternoon qense :) [12:23] I think I just replied to 500000 emails [12:25] That's a pretty decent achievement. [12:27] heh [12:28] qense: still not Inbox 0 [12:28] yet... [12:28] Hold on! You can do it! [12:29] qense: you do know when it gets to 0 we all mail bomb dholbach right :p [12:29] of course, I'm preparing my zombie network of spammers right now! [12:30] But we won't be sending spam, we'll be sending mails he'll actually have to reply to! [12:30] good stuff :p [12:30] you guys smoked some weird stuff :) [12:30] legally! [12:30] qense: speak for yourself :) [12:30] qense: you might've been the only one [12:30] (doing it legally) [12:30] actually, no, I'm not 18 [12:31] but who cares! [12:48] * nigelb writes script to subscribe dholbach to all LP bugs [12:48] that should give you *lots* of mails ;) === ara_ is now known as ara [12:55] dholbach: so did you read all the wiki updates you get? or just auto direct them all into som folder you never look at :P? [12:56] jussi: I think he does. A few days back he asked someone about a wiki update [12:56] some are marked trivial [12:56] LOL [12:56] (Absolutely no clue how he manages to keep up though) [12:56] others arent [13:06] czajkowski: How're your programming efforts going? :) [13:06] if you need help, join #ubuntu-app-devel or ask me! [13:07] qense: thanks [13:07] qense: once I think of an app to play with I'll get going reading the tutorials now [13:08] You should write something LoCo-y. :) [13:08] czajkowski: \o/ loco related app sounds awesome :) [13:10] heh [13:10] so true guys [13:10] it would be awesome to have a desktop time zone coverter where you enter time in UTC and it gives it back in your tz (in case you don't have an idea of an app) [13:10] gnome has one of those... [13:11] world clock i think it was... [13:11] Can't you enter UTC in the clock panel applet? [13:11] Nope [13:12] jussi: oh? checking now [13:12] nigelb: its a replacement applet for the current clock one iirc [13:12] qense: it sucks when daylight savings turn on [13:12] date -u :) [13:13] its been a while since I used gnome [13:13] popey: what happens when somone tells edt time :/ [13:13] especially the day after dst comes into effect [13:13] nigelb: i use FoxClocks to keep up with all the time zones and UTC [13:13] duanedesign: desktopapp? [13:13] you can add clocks to it. [13:14] http://en.opensuse.org/File:103-World-Clock.jpg [13:14] jussi: that doesn't help me [13:14] nigelb: its a addon for FF [13:14] I want to enter a time & date in future and get that time and date in my TZ [13:16] nigelb: want to show off my latest creation. It comes with a couple dozen commands and the ability to add you own. http://people.ubuntu.com/~duanedesign/clicomp.SS.6.png [13:16] music for today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADlAc-NsDng&NR=1 [13:16] duanedesign: nice. does it come for konsole? :P [13:17] duanedesign: its wonderful [13:17] * nigelb scowls at jussi [13:17] nigelb: I was being semi serious! [13:17] :( [13:17] >:( [13:17] jussi: LOL to the semi :p [13:18] look its tintin... ~:) [13:18] * jussi is in a strange mood today [13:18] perhaps its hometime soon [13:19] jussi: I think its just Friday syndrome :D [13:19] Im off. Ill see you all later - its weekend time! [13:21] i also noticed loco.ubuntu.com is coming along nicely [13:24] * nigelb listening to twisted sisters after a while [13:37] _\m/ [13:46] jussi: filter locally [14:18] That was a nasty SysRq-lock I've just had. [14:23] Ah! I always press Print Screen by accident and since I don't have any SysRq key on my keyboard PrintScreen has apparently become the SysRq key, but it doesn't work properly. crashing my system each time I press it. [14:56] They're playing the Dutch anthem right now, Brazil vs the Netherlands will start in a few minutes now! [15:01] * nigelb cheers for Brazil [15:11] everybody have a look at http://loco.ubuntu.com and look at mhall119's great work [15:11] Wow. I haven't looked at it in a while, but it looks completely different [15:11] WHOA [15:11] yay! Nice work. [15:11] But I must admit, I think it needs a little of that purple that is in the moving banner on ubuntu.com :) [15:13] WOW! That was merged recently. I saw it earlier today and it wasn't there [15:13] It looks beautiful! [15:15] dholbach: ~50minutes until our next call? [15:15] Is it intentional that the big 'Teams', 'Events', and 'Venues' are not actual links ? [15:15] nhandler: I think unintential [15:16] jcastro: which call? [15:17] heh [15:17] now thats a beautiful response :D [15:17] dholbach: wait, weren't we having a call today with aaron? [15:17] jcastro: I asked the guys in that email conversation if they wanted to have a call, nobody said "yeah sure [15:17] " [15:17] oh, sorry [15:18] but we can have a call if you want [15:18] maybe I will finish reading mail before poking you next time [15:18] the feedback up until now seems to be "no big announce, ask some key folks to play with it first" [15:18] good idea [15:18] I also noticed they added a noticable "beta" button [15:19] I have my recipes ready, I guess we'll hit it up when it lands [15:19] "Launchpad Team Owner:" and "Launchpad Team Admin(s):" also wraps in a weird way for me [15:19] nhandler: can you file bugs for that? http://launchpad.net/loco-directory/+filebug [15:19] dholbach: Yeah, I'll go through and file a few bugs once I finish looking everything over [15:20] thanks a bunch nhandler [15:20] jcastro: if you want we can have a quick chat and figure out what you and I still have to do until tuesday [15:22] ok [15:22] dholbach: not right now, I am trying to finish this pyjamas guys's post [15:22] heh [15:22] I need to get some caffeine first [15:22] dholbach: I just got a kindle so I've been reading until real late at night so I am tired [15:23] jcastro: information overload [15:23] jcastro: I'll need to head out in around 1h45m to help my sister with some stuff [15:23] dholbach: ok, 10 minutes? [15:23] also it's Friday :-D [15:23] I hear ya [15:23] ok, lemme go get some caffeine and I'll brb [15:24] sure, take it easy [15:24] * dholbach just some more tea [15:40] OK I AM ON THE MUMBLES [15:40] jcastro: I'll just finish something else, give me 5 [15:40] no worries [15:59] dholbach: aha [15:59] it does do syntax checking on the recipe [16:00] yeeehaw [16:01] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jorge/+recipe/shotwell-daily [16:01] booyah [16:01] oh man [16:02] dholbach: ok lesson #1. [16:02] once you request a build there seems to be no way to cancel them [16:02] and I accidentally sent them to the wrong PPA [16:02] oh nice [16:02] best take notes :) [16:02] and file bugs [16:02] and stuff :) [16:02] indeed [16:03] dholbach: dude, that was brutally easu [16:04] look at my recipe [16:05] nice [16:05] let's see if it works [16:05] did you test locally? [16:16] dholbach: yeah [16:16] dholbach: I premade some. :) [16:16] dholbach: lp was pretty scrict when I mispasted [16:16] nice [16:16] that's good news [16:16] so I don't think we'll have problems with the recipes per se [16:17] more with the combination of crack people will do [16:17] yeah [16:17] look at mine for example [16:17] and crazy versioning [16:17] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jorge/+recipe/shotwell-daily [16:17] let's say tomorrow, upstream has a new dep [16:17] it will break [16:17] so then someone goes and fixes the packaging [16:17] but let's say the new dep isn't in lucid [16:18] then they can put it in their ppa [16:18] I bet we're going to need to do lp:~ubuntu-desktop/shotwell/ubuntu/RELEASE or something [16:18] oh right [16:18] I know you can put the new dep in the ppa [16:18] I am saying, I bet some people will just make recipes [16:18] and assume after that they they will just work [16:19] so maybe we should say in the docs or something about following upstream developmetn [16:19] * jcastro goes to add [16:20] oh, I see what you mean now [16:20] yes [16:20] that we should make part of the docs [16:20] writing now [16:22] ugh [16:22] there's a 4 day delay on PPA builds [16:23] ah, I think that's because some major test-rebuild or something [16:25] yeah [16:25] dang [16:25] why do we even keep sparc boxes around? [16:25] seriously [16:26] jcastro: Ubuntu won't install for frak on sparcs [16:26] jcastro: I had to open up the CDrom drive, pour in the blood of a virgin, and pray as it tries to load 8.04 [16:26] yeah I know we just have builders sitting there wasting electricity [16:27] jcastro: I got them all clustered up and into a beowulf, but it took _forever_ [16:28] paultag: you are crazy [16:28] dholbach: so I've been told :) [16:28] … many many times ;-) [16:28] :P [16:28] I remember turning in tons o' sparc at my last job to get them out of the datacenter [16:29] jcastro: the processors themself ROCK! They have so many registers it makes matrix operations so easy [16:30] jcastro: it's too bad the best technology never makes it to the top :/ [16:30] let's agree to disagree, that whole platform and Sun can go and die for all I care. [16:30] OH WAIT. [16:30] :) [16:31] jcastro: I'm willing to bet you've never programmed ia-32 asm :) [16:32] I have these dreams about holding intel cpu designers underwater [16:32] :P [16:36] no, I mean from a sysadmin perspective [16:36] jcastro: Oh, you're totally right there [16:36] but if I was to write a SPARC kernel or another Intel kernel, I'd go SPARC every time [16:39] hmm [16:40] is there a list of councils anywhere? [16:40] jcastro: dholbach was doing something on lp with the team counncil members [16:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing [16:40] jcastro: but I don't know if that ever got off the ground [16:40] paultag: you were! [16:40] ah there we go. [16:40] dholbach: I don't have admin on that team! [16:40] dholbach: I removed all traces of myself so that I would only have indrect membership on it :) [16:41] dholbach: no need for me to own such a team :) [16:41] paultag: sorry, I'm in too many conversations right now and I can't get that stuff down [16:41] done [16:41] sorry :/ [16:41] dholbach: that's fine. If you want me to finish that one up, just mark me as admin. I'll straighten it up and then remove myself again. Only if we want to move forward with it. [16:42] yeah, I can't even remember if we agreed on it [16:42] dholbach: me neither [16:42] I think having the LP team setup (regardless of if we use it for anything or a ML) would still be nice [16:42] nhandler: aye [16:42] nhandler: dholbach: I would suggest an informal vote to see if anyone has issue with it [16:43] and if they do, then why [16:43] and see if we can't address it [16:43] sure why not [16:43] I doubt anyone would have an issue with just having an LP team that has all councils as members (especially if they can just ignore it) [16:43] nhandler: aye [16:43] It isn't a change in policy or anything like that [16:44] sidenote, hey nhandler -- how are you today :) [16:44] paultag: Doing well. Making my way through the LD bug list [16:44] so are you creating a team that just contains teams? [16:44] not individuals [16:45] paultag / dholbach ^ [16:45] popey: +1 [16:45] popey: I thought that was the idea [16:45] popey: that's why I removed myself from the team [16:45] ok, makes sense to me [16:45] popey: and why no one is using it :) [16:45] popey: That way, it wouldn't need to get updated when the councils change [16:45] right nhandler [16:45] I'll leave that to you guys [16:45] I call it a day :) [16:45] have a great weekend! [16:45] o/ [16:45] dholbach: you own it! [16:45] You too dholbach [16:45] dholbach: well ok. Nevermind, we can still start discussion on it [16:45] I need to help my sister carry a mattress through burnin' hot Berlin - again [16:45] dholbach: Tschuss! Schones Wochenender :) [16:46] paultag: What was the LP team again? [16:46] paultag: give me the link again and I'll give it to you [16:46] paultag: "Tschüss! Schönes Wochenende!" :) [16:46] dholbach: I'm on IRSSI, those come out as ? [16:46] dholbach: I can't do Umlaut! :) [16:46] dholbach: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-council-teams [16:47] paultag: you can stay stuck in the 1980's for all I care :-P [16:47] paultag: üöäß :) [16:47] paultag: The entire CC owns that team [16:47] dholbach: until I get x-screen working, it'll be screen :) [16:47] nhandler: no frak :P -- I set them to own it and removed myself [16:48] paultag: Yeah, but we don't need dholbach, he can go enjoy his weekend, and we can get one of the other members to handle it :) [16:48] alrightie [16:48] nhandler: Righto. Good move [16:48] rock on everyone! [16:48] see you! :) [16:48] Later dholbach :) [16:48] what needs doing? [16:48] popey: Populating https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-council-teams [16:48] popey: can you populate https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-council-teams > [16:48] with? [16:48] nhandler: this is why we love eachother [16:48] popey: council teams [16:49] sure, gimmie a list and I'll do it [16:49] I am about to leave work, can you pm me the list or email and I'll do it when i get home [16:49] popey: righto [16:49] popey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing [16:49] ooh, thats a handy list [16:52] popey: you poked? then ran away [16:52] yeah, nvm [16:52] Screaming people on the streets: the netherlands have defeated Brazil! Twitter is down! [16:52] ok.. [16:52] Whoh WTF [16:53] 2-1 [16:53] BOOHYEAH!!!! [16:53] congrats qense!!!! [16:53] :P [16:53] yayay! [16:53] paultag - added all those [16:54] popey: you rock, thank you :) [16:54] * paultag hugs popey [16:54] np [16:54] some are invited, they have to accept [16:54] aye [16:54] One of our goals was scored by Brazil, but that doesn't matter! :P [16:54] We could probably get someone from the TB go accept a few of those [17:11] Twitter is more than down right now. Do they actually realise how big Twitter is in the Netherlands? [17:20] YouTube is already being flooded with videos from the Ned-Bra game. :P [17:21] Twitter still very down. [17:48] <--- late lunching [17:48] jono: appmenu status is up! [17:48] jcastro, saw it, great work! [17:48] with this new tool it will make fixing things much easier [17:49] ok, off for some food [17:51] :) [19:09] Morning jono, everything going well? [19:09] greg-g: HAPPY BIRTHDAY [19:09] doctormo: it's the afternoon over here [19:13] doctormo, great thanks :-) [19:24] Ah, Happy Birthday greg-g [19:26] haha [19:26] jono: this video looks way too .... enterprisey for you [19:26] I am surprised they didn't make you wear a collared shirt [19:26] jcastro, check it out, I think I made it clear what they should do [19:27] I am listening to it [20:38] afternoon chaparoos [20:38] jcastro: http://www.xayni.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/iphone4_holding_problem_fixed.jpg [20:39] hah, awesome [20:39] Apple gave me a free bumoer for my 3G problem [20:55] jono: when you mail the LC poke me and I'll moderate the mail [20:56] cheers, yeah I havent had a chance to do it yet [20:56] Technoviking, what the hell is a bumoer? [20:56] lol [20:56] jono: grand job [20:56] also need to work on my talk for next week in leeds [20:56] jono: Nice video, vibrant community eh. [20:56] jono: which is thanks to your blog post at ada lovelace a guy in the UK asked me over to talk on Ubuntu women [20:56] doctormo, lol [20:57] czajkowski, nice! :) [20:57] gotta shout out the homies [20:57] :) [20:57] jono: aye... once I figure out what I'm talking about [20:57] lol [20:57] http://www.nationalclcsconference.org/?p=203#clcs10 [20:57] czajkowski: How's your mum today? everything going well? [20:58] doctormo: aye it's amazing how fast you let out after keyhole. she's still groggy and was up and about today, but tired after a while. but a lot better than she used to be after a op. they removed 5 gall stones and her gall bladder through her belly button [20:59] czajkowski: Sounds good, my wife's op for gall stones wasn't so neat, although she was up and about in a week. [21:00] doctormo: aye mum, this would be my mums 4th in about 9 years so she didnt want to be "opened up" again as she's full of adhesions and recovery takes a lot longer [21:00] Having dealt with both the NHS when my mum had gall stones and the US system with my wife, I'd pick the NHS, they seem to care a little more about the patient. Ay-ya! 4th op for the same thing? [21:04] jono: did you get the android update on your nexus? [21:05] doctormo: nope 4th different one [21:06] jcastro, I haven't checked yet [21:06] jono: I'm not fat, I just got fat fingers:) [21:15] Technoviking, lol [21:26] Technoviking: could be worse, they could be sausage fingers [21:29] tough crowd today! [21:30] boooo! [21:31] * paultag throws something [21:34] hmm is there a way of inserting a text box in open office presentations [21:37] czajkowski: yeah, just ad a box and double click [21:37]