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[01:31] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1145443 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h globals.h package.cpp package.h) Implement an undo/redo stack, with undo functions, redo functions, and various ways to save/restore states manually. (Ported from synaptic ;)
[01:36] <valorie> synaptic has an undo?
[01:37] <valorie> heh
[01:37] <valorie> I've never tried using it
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> Hidden away in an edit menu ;)
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> *in the edit menu
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[01:38] <valorie> right, I found it
[01:39] <valorie> if only that would help in installing ubuntuone-kde
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> Synaptic's backend code actually isn't half bad. Some of the organization/API is a bit iffy, and it's obvious it was written by GNOMEies, but otherwise it is a great reference
[01:39] <valorie> instead, I'll wait for the apachelogger magic
[01:39] <valorie> right, I use it usually
[01:39] <valorie> it's a workhorse
[01:39] <valorie> ugly, but usable
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> but now, I can make muon automagically undo itself if you try to work things into a broken mess :x
[01:40] <valorie> I only use kpackagekit for little upgrades
[01:40] <valorie> ever since it crashed and ruined my puter
[01:40] <valorie> I don't trust it
[01:41] <valorie> I shoulda used apt-get
[01:41] <valorie> my bad.....
[01:42] <valorie> I got a nice fresh install out of it, so all's well that ends well
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> Konversation being held in new queue has led to a valuable test case for me.
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> Since it didn't go to new queue for all the other archs, as long as I don't check for updates I have a situation where trying to upgrade it without checks would break the package cache if it was allowed to go through
[01:43] <valorie> woah
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> which is why I need to make muon check before blindly marking it, and restore the old state
[01:44] <valorie> I don't exactly understand, but "break the package cache" sounds serious
[01:44] <lex79> :)
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> you won't be able to install/remove anything until you resolve the dependency issue, basically
[01:46] <lex79> JontheEchidna: qtcreator is too big to upload for you? 17.4 MB
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> lex79: my mother is uploading vacation photos to Facebook, so she'd probably not like it if I tried :(
[01:46] <valorie> I've found that to be true anyway, unless you can force
[01:46] <lex79> ok no problem :)
[01:46] <valorie> which I choose not to do
[01:47] <valorie> I used to break my system rather regularly back when I used gentoo
[01:47] <valorie> and don't want to go there again
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopct1560-jpg.jpg
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> ^I forced the removal of libgtk2.0-bin, but forced software-center to stay installed
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> well, I didn't have to force the removal of libgtk2.0-bin, but I had to force software-center to stay installed ;)
[01:48] <valorie> right
[01:49] <valorie> Broken in red = :(
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> I should use the html flash code :D
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> *flash tag
[01:49] <valorie> lol
[01:49] <valorie> oh, how I miss that
[01:49] <valorie> and the scrolling banners
[01:50] <JontheEchidna> <flash><color=red />BROKEN!</flash>
[01:50] <valorie> hahahah
[01:50] <valorie> it made for such classy webpages
[01:50] <JontheEchidna> geocites... angelfire....
[01:50] <valorie> oh, Myspace.....
[01:51] <JontheEchidna> myspace == embedded mp3's of crappy music playing way too loud
[01:51] <valorie> some of those still exist
[01:51] <valorie> sometimes multiple mp3s!
[01:51] <valorie> and flashy little crap
[01:51] <valorie> dear lord it was awful
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> yay, muon stopped me from breaking konversation: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopkj1560-jpg.jpg
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> now I just have to show the user *why* it can't be done
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> ...preferrably not while berating him/her
[03:25] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145455 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs) Don't allow actions that will break packages. Next up: A GUI to show why an action will break something
[03:27] <valorie> yes, calling people noobs is frowned upon!
[03:30] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145457 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/MainTab.cpp --debug
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> oh, I suppose I could implement undo/redo in the gui too
[03:34] <JontheEchidna> but maybe I'll just kick back for a bit and relax, satisfied with my not-broken package system
[03:35]  * valorie passes out the Friday night beers
[05:55] <maco> JontheEchidna: its a <blink> tag not a <flash> tag
[05:55] <NCommander> Riddell: morning
[05:56] <maco> oh it is isnt it? its 7am there eh?
[05:56] <maco> hmm
[05:58] <valorie> he mixed the two horriblenesses
[07:08] <NCommander> maco: we're at Akademy
[07:08] <NCommander> or at least, he's supposed to be. I haven't seen him.
[07:08] <maco> i know you are
[07:08] <NCommander> maco: :-)
[07:09] <maco> i assume finland is on the same timezone as france and germany?
[07:09] <maco> or is it one more?
[07:09] <NCommander> its one over
[07:10] <maco> oh so 9am there now
[07:21] <shadeslayer_> \o
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[07:22] <evilshadeslayer> better :P
[07:23] <evilshadeslayer> oh oh kcm_kio is not installed in kde 4.5 
[07:23] <evilshadeslayer> so no more proxy configuration diaologs
[07:25] <evilshadeslayer> http://imagebin.ca/view/e0s1zpY.html
[07:25] <evilshadeslayer> ScottK: ^^
[07:25] <evilshadeslayer> if you can have a look ...
[12:10] <tsimpson> is there no libsmokekde-dev in lucid?
[12:13] <nigelb> Remove all binary packages that have no rdepends or reverse-build-depends. We don't want to support this many packages when they have no rdepends and when we're on the doorstep of an LTS release.
[12:14] <nigelb> tsimpson: ^ from changelog of kde3bindings
[12:14] <ulysses> strange, there is lbsmokekde-dev in maverick, it's in universe
[12:15] <tsimpson> it was in lucid (apparently) for 4.3.2, just not 4.4
[12:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdepim takes _alot_ of time to compile :(
[12:28] <tsimpson> erm, I meant libsmokekde4-dev actually
[12:28] <tsimpson> still missing in lucid though
[12:44] <tsimpson> also, bug #601340
[12:44] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 601340 in kdebindings (Ubuntu) "libsmokeqt-dev and libsmokeqt4-dev should conflict" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601340
[12:44] <tsimpson> re-emergence of bug #330079
[12:44] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 330079 in kdebindings (Ubuntu) "[jaunty] libsmokeqt4-2-dev conflicts with libsmokeqt-dev but doesn't have proper dependencies" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330079
[12:44] <tsimpson> well, similar not re-emergence
[12:56] <Riddell> tsimpson: what do you need it for?
[12:56] <tsimpson> Riddell: nothing in particular, I just wanted to learn about smoke and kross today :)
[12:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i think.. kolab's gone :P
[12:57] <shadeslayer> must have been renamed or something
[13:00] <shadeslayer> oh btw does akademy have a OGG stream?
[13:08] <nigelb> Riddell: nice blog post.  <3 the last pic :)
[13:12] <Riddell> tsimpson: our packaging got merged with debian and I think debian don't package those headers and .so links becuase there's nothing that uses them (and often when nothing uses a library the ABI isn't as stable as it should be)
[13:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh oh .. no proxy module in 4.5 packages
[13:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/e0s1zpY.html
[13:19] <Riddell> jjj
[13:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: works for me
[13:21] <Riddell> presumably you have something not installed
[13:21] <shadeslayer> :(
[13:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: such as ?
[13:22] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:22]  * shadeslayer pokes kubuntu-desktop
[13:23] <shadeslayer> seems so
[13:23] <shadeslayer> i didnt want rekonq,so i removed kubuntu-desktop,and now it has added deps
[13:23] <Riddell> rekonq should be a recommend, you can remove it without removing kubuntu-desktop
[13:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its a direct dep
[13:24] <shadeslayer> and the module is working now
[13:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/ipJg82Z4
[13:29] <Riddell> ryanakca: can you change the URL on this to news/maverick-alpha-2  ?  kubuntu.org/node/159
[13:57] <ryanakca> Riddell: Done
[14:04] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145586 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (MainWindow.cpp muonui.rc) Initial bits for undo/redo. Still need to save state whenever we mark a package, though. (And I need to enable/disable it based on the undo stack size, which I may need to add methods for in libqapt)
[15:10] <Riddell> ryanakca: do you use konqueror to do that?
[15:26] <shadeslayer> anyone heard of a DW1520 Wireless-N WLAN Half-mini card? any ideas how to make it work with K/Ubuntu? jockey doesnt list any drivers...
[15:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdepim will take some time.... huge changes
[16:04] <ScottK> Riddell: qmf, qtmobility, and phonon-backend-vlc are all in New waiting for you ....
[16:09] <shadeslayer> kdepim is going to kill me.. single package taking so much time to modify
[16:10] <shadeslayer> either A) im doing something wrong , or B) kde devs went krazy
[16:10] <shadeslayer> probably A ...
[16:10] <shadeslayer> or C) there really are so many changes
[16:12] <ScottK> D) All of the above
[16:12] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:14] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you do the kdepim-runtime package?
[16:14] <shadeslayer> or wait.. maybe it wants less changes
[16:14] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Not today.  I've got no free time at all.
[16:14] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i have to manually check for each and every line in the *.install files
[16:15] <shadeslayer> im getting dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/usr/lib/libkorg_stdprinting.so.4.5.0 debian/korganizer//usr/lib/ returned exit code 1
[16:15] <shadeslayer> have to go through install files one by one :(
[16:16] <ScottK> shadeslayer: The way I do that is log into a chroot, build the package in the chroot, then when it fails, you can inspect the build tree, fix the .install file and then run dpkg-buildpackage -nc -us -uc.  The .nc skips clean so it doesn't have to recompile again.
[16:16] <ScottK>  .nc/-nc
[16:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK: what im using is debuilld -nc
[16:17] <shadeslayer> without chroot...
[16:17] <ScottK> That gets the same result.
[16:17] <shadeslayer> ill build it in pdebuild tho.. later
[16:17] <ScottK> Using maverick?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yes,but fixing each install file line by line is insane
[16:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yes :)
[16:18] <ScottK> What version are you packaging?
[16:19] <shadeslayer> ScottK: 4.5 Beta 1
[16:19] <ScottK> Why?
[16:19] <shadeslayer> ScottK: because maverick needs it?
[16:19] <ScottK> No.
[16:19] <shadeslayer> and Riddell asked :P
[16:19] <ScottK> OK
[16:19] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:20] <ScottK> I'd expect that one to be a lot different then.
[16:20] <ScottK> So I'm not suprised it's painful, they just aren't all that hard.
[16:20] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i have to check each and every line of install files... its not hard to fix.. just painfull :D
[16:22]  * ScottK notes he doesn't find it particularly painful for shadeslayer to update tons of install files and heads out for the rest of his day ....
[16:23] <shadeslayer> hehehe :D
[16:28] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes
[16:28] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'm guessing www-admin is still painfully broken on your end?
[17:15] <maco> shtylman's phone's voicemail is in russian
[17:20] <maco> ending in spaciba
[17:20] <maco> er spociba
[17:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ill need help with kdenetwork,can you highlight me when your free...
[18:46] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1145660 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp The maintainer field can sometimes be UTF-8, so we must construct a QString as UTF-8 when retrieving the data from libapt-pkg
[18:49] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1145662 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) Add methods for determining the emptiness of the undo/redo stack (useful for enabling buttons) as well as a method to determine whether the package cache is broken or not
[18:49] <lex79> if someone can upload qtcreator is here: https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa/+packages
[18:50] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145663 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/MuonStrings.h Compile fix. I hadn't noticed it due to CMake caching or something
[18:50] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145664 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/PackageModel/PackageView.cpp Fix the details widget randomly pop up on group switching
[18:51] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145665 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Add undo/redo actions to the GUI, as well as a messagebox telling the user when upgrades cannot be marked for whatever reason
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> aw, almost had 5 commits in a row, numerically. I missed 1145661 though :(
[18:57] <ScottK> apachelogger: Did you see notmart's Akademy presentation.  There is what looks like a Fluffy screen shot in it.
[19:02] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1145666 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.cpp When we undo a change, prepend (not append) the current state to the redo stack, or else we can only ever redo to the state before the first undo
[19:05] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145668 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/TODO SVN_SILENT: TODO update
[19:18] <ulysses> Why doesn't exist koffice-l10n-hu package?:o
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> I guess koffice 2.2 didn't release with -hu?
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> nope, no hu in the koffice-l10n 2.2.0 tarball :(
[19:23] <ulysses> :(
[19:24] <ulysses> 6700 of 11658 messages are translated in stable, not enough:/
[19:26] <ulysses> maybe it releases only the completed translations like Catalan
[19:30] <ulysses> in this case it should be translated:P
[19:33] <shadeslayer_> lex79: poke
[19:33] <shadeslayer_> lex79: http://pastebin.com/hZg9Q1PT
[19:33] <shadeslayer_> where do i put the first one?
[19:33] <shadeslayer_> libtemplateparser
[19:35] <shadeslayer_> bah.. ill take this up tommorow .. huge headache ...-.-
[19:35] <shadeslayer_> cya
[19:36] <lex79> oh, he left
[19:50] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1145672 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Clear the undo/redo stacks on cache reload
[19:55] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145675 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Fix a bug where the first package clicked wouldn't show the details widget
[19:55] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145676 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (MainWindow.cpp MainWindow.h muonui.rc) Add a revert all changes button to the toolbar and menu
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[20:48] <mfraz74> Can someone confirm an odd problem I'm having in KDE 4.5?
[20:49] <mfraz74> If I move an email from one folder to another in KMail, afterwards the window will scroll to the top.
[20:50] <mfraz74> also happens in Amarok. If I delete a song from somewhere near the bottom, after deleting it will scroll to the top of the window
[20:51] <ulysses> I deleted two song from the playlist, nothing happened
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> I moved a message from down the list to the trash in kmail, nothing happened
[20:52] <mfraz74> not in the playlist, but in the local music list
[20:53] <ulysses> confirmed
[20:53] <ulysses> I deleted a song, then it jumped at the bottom
[20:53] <mfraz74> ok, in kmail, i'm in my inbox sorted by date, i delete an email from the bottom and it instanty moved to the top
[20:54] <mfraz74> ulysses: so, what do i file that bug against?
[20:56] <ulysses> I don't know, I'm looking now for a Klipper bug
[20:56] <ulysses> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=243467
[20:56] <ubottu> KDE bug 243467 in general "klipper opens actions menu twice" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: can I show you code that will make you br0kenlogger?
[21:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you can, however I do doubt that you want to ^^
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> :P
[21:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: where is that to be seen?
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> behold the ugliness that synaptic stole from apt-get to aid in determining why a package can't be installed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/458876/
[21:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: assuming you mean the protocol file -> the standard protocol install path which is somewhere in usr/share/kde4 
[21:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: hm
[21:11] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> at its deepest point the statements is 7 levels deep
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> but the indenting isn't even consistent
[21:11] <apachelogger> are they serious about that?
[21:11] <mfraz74> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=243535
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> apt was written by crack junkies :P
[21:11] <ubottu> KDE bug 243535 in general "deleting/moving email in kmail makes message list jump to first email" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[21:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I always like a good while (NOTCONDITIONBECAUSEAUTHORSWEREUNABLETOFINDPROPERCONDITIONFORABORTIONOFLOOP) {break;} :P
[21:13] <apachelogger>          if (Start != End)
[21:13] <apachelogger> or
[21:13] <apachelogger>          if (Start == End)
[21:13] <apachelogger>             break;
[21:14] <apachelogger> the particular word combination here is nice :D
[21:14] <apachelogger> if we are starting at the end, we are broken ^^
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's part of the loop that the while loop is inside :P
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> the whole shebang: http://paste.ubuntu.com/458882/
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> actually, it's part of the while loop
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> but
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> it increments the loop its inside inside itself
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> O.o
[21:19] <apachelogger> I like how they name variables like classes
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> funfun
[21:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: isn't Start == End condition to end of while loop there?
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yeah
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> I think
[21:20] <apachelogger> that is super odd
[21:21] <apachelogger> also I would make that for anyway, since they are itering
[21:21] <apachelogger> This is very mad.
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> I thought you might like it :P
[21:21] <apachelogger> yeah, luv it :D
[21:22]  * apachelogger closes it before running into an out of memory error from too large stack
[21:22] <apachelogger> doctor who
[21:22] <apachelogger> Edge of destruction
[21:22] <apachelogger> sounds a bit scary
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> oh ya, that was a neat one
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> the whole ep is inside the tardis iirc
[21:24] <JontheEchidna> I've watched the first series up to the episode where they become tiny
[21:24]  * apachelogger likes how silly the TARDIS looks ^^
[21:26] <mfraz74> i remember that episode
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: btw, those slides Scott was talking about: http://www.notmart.org/index.php/BlaBla/Akademy_talk:_Slides_on_the_Plas
[21:32] <neversfelde> Riddell: do you know when koffice 2.2.1 is going to be released?
[21:32] <apachelogger> ScottK, JontheEchidna: that is no fluff - it is inferior to fluffy :P
[21:33] <apachelogger> ah, the doctor looks like rambo! ^^
[21:34] <ulysses> Geronimo!
[21:34] <apachelogger> not that doctor
[21:34] <apachelogger> the old geezer doctor :P
[21:35] <ulysses> is there any stream about the Akademy?
[21:41] <lumm> gajim causes a empty x window here which craches plasma if i close it.
[21:42] <lumm> alltray as well
[21:44] <lumm> with rc 1
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[22:33] <blueyed> Is amarok known failing to start with the beta ppa?
[23:16] <Riddell> neversfelde: I don't know when koffice is going to be released but personally I never wait I just upload it, it's not worth the hassle of coordinating releases
[23:17] <lex79> Riddell: can you upload qtcreator from akademy? :)
[23:19] <Riddell> lex79: yes although probably not until monday
[23:19] <lex79> oh well, I will ask around and if the 
[23:19] <lex79> *they can't..I will reask you :)
[23:26] <neversfelde> Riddell: k, packaging is finished, I'll do some upgrade testing and push to bzr and ninjas
[23:27] <Riddell> neversfelde: for maverick?
[23:27] <neversfelde> Riddell: yes
[23:27] <neversfelde> Lucid ist still todo
[23:27]  * neversfelde took a soccer break :)
[23:28] <lex79> :)