[00:00] now thats totally offtopic my bad [00:00] back to ubuntu [00:04] he did, at least spend sometime on the front line, before some USA magazine broke the embargo on the news.... But, as you say, we digress. My 1st experience of Mac OS was 27 years ago - it was in the print department at the company I worked at - it looked pretty kewl :-) [00:09] stlsaint: popng [00:10] duanedesign: hey i had a question that i forgot cause you TOOK TOO LONG!! :P [00:10] lol [00:10] oh yea i remember now [00:11] stlsaint: senile dementia is bad, but juvenille dementia is really sad :p [00:11] * phillw >>> runs [00:11] you better >:) [00:14] lol [00:14] my first intro to mac os was when i was working for a newspaper [00:15] well i have to run, bbl maybe thanks all [00:25] welcome back aganice [00:25] hello triangles [00:25] hello i was wondering if you guys could tell me how i can set default options for java [00:25] hello zkriesse [00:25] i need to specify -Xmx256m [00:25] do you have java installed triangles ? [00:25] yes i have openjdk [00:25] !java [00:25] To install a Java runtime on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java. For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases. [00:26] i have java installed.. [00:26] triangles: openjdk is different to java [00:26] D; [00:26] its a jvm [00:26] whatever [00:27] i need to set -Xmx256m [00:29] triangles: do you want runtime or developer, what do you need it for? [00:29] does it matter? [00:29] triangles: yes [00:30] OK [00:30] i am running resin [00:30] with apache [00:30] on a vps [00:31] triangles: For Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, the sun-java6 packages have been dropped from the Multiverse section of the Ubuntu archive. It is recommended that you use openjdk-6 instead. [00:31] WTF [00:31] is that what you are using? [00:31] yessss [00:31] i need [00:31] to [00:31] specify [00:31] -Xmx256 [00:32] triangles: please do not get mad or upset with us [00:32] im not mad/upset [00:32] you're telling me how to install java [00:32] like i couldnt figure that out [00:32] triangles: so, what did you do to install it? [00:32] i need to know if there is a way i can set static java arguments [00:32] at least then I know we are on the same system [00:32] i need to know if there is a way i can set static java arguments === compiledkernel is now known as Guest65623 [00:33] it was installed with the resin package as a dependency [00:33] i have java installed [00:33] i need [00:33] to know if there is a way i can set defualt java arguments [00:34] triangles: you are asking of the way java works [00:34] http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/tools/windows/java.html [00:34] explains a bit about it. [00:34] oh my god [00:34] I need [00:35] to know if there is a way i can make it whenever java is started [00:35] no matter how [00:35] that it's ran with a max heap size of 256m [00:35] i dont need a man page [00:35] its not in there [00:35] yes, you can start the java engine with a set heap size [00:35] i know how to do that [00:36] i need to know if there is a way i can set static java arguments [00:36] i need to know if there is a way i can set static java arguments [00:36] do you know what i mean by that? [00:36] that i dont have to say -Xmx256m every single time. because i'm not running a -jar [00:36] or anything like that where i myself invoke the jvm [00:37] * stlsaint hates java! :P [00:37] there's no reason to hate java. [00:37] like hell there isnt!! (well its more personal than anythin) nothing against java itself i guess! [00:37] triangles: you are asking on a ubuntu area about java, Java is cross platform - have a look at http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Programming/JVMPerf/ [00:38] stlsaint: and what reasons do you have ? [00:38] triangles: personal/hence personal reasons :D [00:39] fts im going back to centos [00:39] or, have a look at http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23%23javascript&net=freenode [00:40] evidently it is ##javascript [00:40] BYE! [00:41] javascript? [00:41] wtf [00:41] triangles: do not call ubuntu areas for cross platform programmes, although, granted, you will get more help here than on other operating systems [00:41] why would you give me a link about javascript [00:42] triangles: yeah, coz they will be able to point you back to the irc for java [00:42] i'll go ask if you want [00:42] no [00:42] triangles: this is a support channel for ubuntu and or any other flavors of linux. If you need java help it is probably better for you to go to a java room instead of bashing this channel! [00:43] there's absolutely nothing about java in javascript [00:43] nothing [00:43] do you not know how javascript got it's name? [00:44] triangles: I'm going to ask you to either leave or behave [00:44] what? [00:44] what have i done? [00:44] nothing. [00:44] lol behave? [00:45] i have done nothing wrong zkriesse [00:45] Well you keep bashing phillw like he doesn't know what he's talking about, you keep swearing, (wtf is indeed swearing) and you are somewhat rude [00:45] So at least tone it down just a bit [00:45] We're trying to help, thats all [00:45] yes i had to repeat myself literally 30 times [00:46] before he got it [00:46] triangles, patience is a good thing. [00:46] triangles: oddly enough, IBM are helping me out here, head over to http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/forums/dw_jforums.jspa?cmp=emuk_otdwjafo-20100527&cm=k&csr=google&cr=java_forum&ct=OTDWK010&ck=java_forum&ccy=UK&mkwid=s3I56TUtN_6723239703_4328nk2971 [00:46] triangles: No you didn't have to repeat yourself...it wasn't necessary [00:46] he didnt understand what i was saying [00:47] it's okay phillw i am going to install java by myself not through apt [00:47] i just was having a hard time installing resin [00:47] that's why i tried ubuntu server [00:47] because they have .debs [00:47] caucho that is [00:48] triangles: Regardless if he understood you or not, it doesn't give you the right to be rude to him. Some of the people in here are in their 40's and 50's....just be nice! [00:48] triangles: that took some finding, even though I have google-fu; I can understand your frustrations, just please give us people a liitle time [00:48] http://forums.sun.com/index.jspa [00:48] yes i am 14, so what. [00:48] go there, all you need you can find [00:49] * iceflatline sighs [00:49] I'm 50 :( [00:49] hello iceflatline [00:49] iceflatline: how are ya? [00:49] Hiya iceflatline [00:49] zkriesse: great man, how are you? [00:50] good ($localtime) y'all [00:50] doing fairly well....knee hurts... [00:50] all those jumping jacks :) [00:50] iceflatline: that makes me the baby, I'm only 47 :-D [00:50] lol [00:50] yum is so much quicker then apt i cant believe it [00:50] youngster! [00:50] you're 47? [00:50] wow [00:51] i thought you were like [00:51] 16 [00:51] * phillw still wet behind the ears ;-) [00:51] :) [00:51] The more I learn, the more I understand just how much I don't know. [00:52] when's the last time bodhi has been in this channel?: [00:52] triangles: you'll find that alot of the guys here are quite up in age [00:52] ah. i see [00:52] triangles: it's been some time since bodhi has been around [00:52] iceflatline: the older we get the more we just accept that we will not know it all - these youngsters still think that they can learn it all :p [00:52] define 'been some time' [00:52] triangles, the net and irc are wonderful for removing the age barrier between people. [00:52] triangles: probably a few months [00:52] damn [00:52] give or take a few weeks [00:52] You know, I haven't either. [00:53] is this channel dieing? [00:53] because i see none of the smarter people i did last year [00:53] bodhi is busy with stuff & family - he does pop by. [00:53] triangles: no...we have a council now...not just a lead, so bodhi isn't required to be here anymore [00:53] as do all the others [00:53] he pops in every once in a while [00:54] the council has been since the beginning zkriesse [00:54] triangles: A beginners Team council [00:54] the council has been since the beginning zkriesse [00:56] eehh, I've never seen Rambo First Blood part 2 .... it's really entertaining :-) [00:56] (sorry for gaps, when I'm laughing) [00:59] lmfao [01:00] lol phillw [01:00] * phillw moves rooms [01:07] triangles: why do i get the feeling that your looking for problems!? "....i see none of the smarter people i did last year..." [01:07] it's true. i don't [01:08] triangles: well if you have such an issue with us being supposedly dumb then why are you here? [01:09] triangles: either play nice or be prepared not to play at all!!! [01:09] cease highlighting me with requests that need no response [01:14] triangles: Ok thats enough man [01:15] cease highlighting me with requests that need no response [01:15] -ChanServ- 45 zkriesse +VA (ubtmember) [modified 38 weeks, 3 days, 02:41:58 ago] [01:15] calm down. [01:16] I don't see anyone being anything but calm, triangles - it has been quiet in here for a few minutes. [01:16] cease highlighting me with requests that need no response [01:16] maybe you can learn more triangles [01:17] me, learn more? [01:17] and fill that nitch in here that your looking for [01:17] for others [01:17] what can i possibly learn [01:17] tell me [01:17] if the channel is not up to the level that your looking for [01:18] triangles: if you have all the answers why are you here asking for help? [01:18] i am not asking for help any longer [01:19] i have switched my server to centos [01:19] oh ok [01:19] and compiling resin at the moment [01:20] i just tried joining #centos-beginners [01:20] its availalbe [01:20] ble* [01:22] SO [01:23] would someone look at this bug? [01:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/296502 [01:23] Launchpad bug 296502 in ubuntu "Intrepid/XP Router connection lost on shutdown (heat: 7)" [Undecided,Incomplete] [01:23] its 'dead' right? [01:23] triangles: they do have a forum area, it's over at http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/ learn how to use google, get your black-belt in it & you will be pleasently suprised that not only can you only find answers to your questions, but help others. Life is all about learning, I am a librarian - I do not know every subject, but I'm pretty good at finding it for people who take the time to ask & let me look it up :-) [01:23] i am not reading that [01:23] i am busy [01:23] ohai everybody [01:23] Raidsong: hello [01:24] finally had a lull in my schoolwork so i thought i would come visit [01:24] nice' [01:24] im just trying to figure out how to go through some of the obvious old bugs im envolved with [01:24] and move them along [01:25] 'This bug report was marked for expiration 53 days ago' [01:26] does that mean its been marked expired? [01:26] or that it will be marked expired at some point? [01:32] holstein: I'm just getting my head around bug reporting, we can share notes if you want [01:33] Wrong button. [01:33] phillw: thanks, id be into that [01:33] i had some guys try and help me out with it about a year ago [01:34] but i didnt have my LP account set up properly [01:34] i feel like ive been reporting properly [01:34] and im going to try and become more helpful at some point [01:35] holstein: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad [01:36] I'd like to learn more about that myself. [01:36] I'm just getting back involved with the doc team, as they were altering how wiki pages etc were going to be done [01:36] cool [01:37] i gotta run right now [01:37] they are asking for triagers for the bug team [01:37] buy i'll bookmark that and bother you again soon ;) [01:37] thanks [01:49] Hi everyone, I am trying to configure prey (preyproject.com) and the prey log-in window that comes up, when I run it on my ubuntu os, cuts off the bottom of the window. I cannot tell if there is a submit or cancel button. [01:49] When I hit tab once and twice they both will close the window. [01:49] probably should contact them [01:50] i doubt anyone here, including myself has experience with that software [01:50] so I cannot resize the window thru ubuntu? [01:50] what software? [01:51] stlsaint: prey [01:51] uhmm [01:51] aye, neverused it [01:52] spursncowboys: is the window showing up in gnome-panel at the bottom of your screen? [01:52] where your applications are minimized etc [01:53] triangles: yeah. Though I'm using the Ubuntu nbr [01:53] ah. i don't know 100% about the nbr but you could try right clicking it and there should be an option 'resize' [01:55] I have had little luck with resizing games like that. [01:55] triangles: yeah that doesn't work. Just minimize, move and always on top are able to work. [01:55] speaking of nbr, how do i mount an sd card in 10.04? [01:55] i don't know what else to tell you friend. [01:55] triangles: Ok I'll keep trying the tab thing. Thanks anyway. [01:55] spursncowboys, is there a file that you could edit the games starting resolution in? [01:56] packrat: the sd card should automatically mount itself [01:56] tenach: it is not a game [01:56] D: [01:56] packrat: are you sure that it's been properlly formatted? [01:56] well, i just took some pictures on a camera with the card [01:57] tenach: its to locate your netbook if it gets stolen [01:57] It worked easy as heck for me with windows. [01:57] everything always is easier in windows [01:57] for simple gui apps* [01:57] tenach: as you stated, if the drive were formatted, it would be of no help. I'm not too sure what level of protection you want? [01:57] spursncowboys: i'd try and contact thm. [01:58] phillw, wha? [01:58] are you trying to talk to me phillw [01:58] triangles: I will. Yeah I am really missing and looking for a linux replacement to my Search Everything for windows. [01:59] 'search everything' [01:59] what is that? [01:59] oh okay [01:59] The Everything Search Engine [01:59] in window [01:59] *Windows [02:00] oh okay gotcha. [02:00] heh i always used find & grep for search [02:01] http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=linux+desktop+search [02:01] i'd start there [02:01] spursncowboys: there is Tracker [02:01] tenach: are you familiar with the terminal? [02:02] triangles, yes. [02:02] could you please pastebin the output of 'fdisk -l' [02:02] Having a near-instant index of files is, as far as I know, not that easy/possible to do if you're on an ext2/3/4 filesystem. [02:02] well [02:02] if you want to make google work for you, instead of the usual 25,455,999 results, then go learn http://www.google.com/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?answer=136861 [02:03] if the program itself indexes the files, it can be instant [02:03] it will help you get you get your google-fu black-belt :-) [02:04] That would not work for me, as there's a lot of files that move around and that index would be out of date. I don't really have a lot of need for something like that so I haven't really looked much more into it. [02:04] Also, I was noting that because of how the search everything engine works. [02:05] duanedesign: oh ok, I'll try it. thnx [02:05] spursncowboys: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9536393&postcount=2 [02:05] tenach: that's how it works on all filesystems my friend [02:05] there's no instant index [02:05] triangles, that is not true. [02:06] I didn't say instant, i said near-instant [02:06] are you talking about just your home dir [02:06] or the whole / [02:06] "Search everything", to me, means everything from / [02:06] then no [02:06] you're not going to get an instant index [02:07] it'd probably be faster on ext* then ntfs or whatever [02:07] ntfs is faster with that then ext* is [02:07] but not instant [02:07] I'm not talking instant, triangles [02:07] near-instant is not the same as intsant. [02:07] *instant. [02:07] near instant for me is less then 5 seconds [02:08] i will brb [02:13] so... yeah. SD card not automatically mounting in UNR. thoughts? [02:14] packrat: mount it manually [02:14] for that matter, how do i make sure the install actually has the drivers for the card reader [02:15] packrat: in your terminal enter: mount [02:15] derp [02:15] packrat: always use the liveCD mode to check how your system gets on with your hardware [02:16] that will let you know of any items that need checking up on, such as certain WiFi devices etc. [02:16] well, i forgot about the hotswap card reader [02:17] anyways, running mount in terminal returns results that are fairly greek to me [02:18] do you see the reader? [02:18] what am i looking for [02:19] packrat: take a read of dmesg before you attempt to use it, then make a note of new messages that appear after your using it - the new messages are the ones that matter. [02:19] phillw: you can take this one! :D [02:20] stlsaint: it just lets us know the device is actually seen by the system [02:20] yeah im not memorizing all that text. terminal wont even scroll up far enough to encompass all of it [02:20] packrat: no need to memorize anything, just look for something like /dev/sdb [02:20] or /dev/sdc [02:21] in dmesg? [02:21] packrat: no, using the mount command [02:21] oh [02:22] got /dev/sda5 but thats there whether the card is present or not [02:23] packrat: what do you get if you type in mount in the the terminal? [02:23] just a sec. im irc-ing from another computer [02:23] sda5 will not be the SD card [02:24] /dev/sda5 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro) [02:24] proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) [02:24] none on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) [02:24] none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw) [02:24] none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw) [02:24] none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw) [02:24] none on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755) [02:24] none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620) [02:24] none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) [02:25] none on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755) [02:25] none on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) [02:25] none on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755) [02:25] none on /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs type debugfs (rw,relatime) [02:25] binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) [02:25] gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/trevor/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=trevor) [02:25] thats what it reads === netrat is now known as netbookrat [02:26] okies, next time can you paste bin it, it's no big problem. [02:26] sorry [02:27] your SD reader is not being seen [02:27] what i was afraid of [02:27] that is not a really big problem, as stlsaint said, it may just need mounting [02:28] if you go to 'places' do you see it in the list there? [02:29] places? [02:30] 10.04 here, if that makes a difference [02:30] I'll need one of the ubuntu people here.... where is places from the ubuntu menu bar ? [02:30] * phillw running lubuntu, I can switch over to ubuntu in a couple of minutes if no one else here. [02:31] okies packrat I'll reboot into ubuntu - give me a cple of minutes [02:31] sure [02:33] what what [02:33] packrat: [02:33] in the butt [02:33] did you do what i said about fdisk -l ? [02:33] paste the output for that please [02:33] oh, missed that [02:34] fdisk -l does nothing [02:34] oh run as root please [02:34] sudo fdisk -l [02:35] ahah [02:35] i thought it would tell me when i didnt have permission to do something [02:35] * phillw back in 10.04 'ubuntu' [02:35] nope [02:35] paste it please [02:35] on a pastebin would be best [02:36] okies, packrat you should see Applications, Places, system on the top of your screen ? [02:36] http://pastebin.com/9PT362QH [02:37] phillw: it's not going to work [02:37] it's not showing up in fdisk [02:37] so nautilus definitely is not going to pick it up [02:37] negative on that anyways [02:37] i guess the setup for unr is different that default ubuntu [02:37] not really [02:37] not for stuff like this [02:38] well, i dont see any applications or places thing [02:38] netbookrat: when you were taking the pictures are you sure tthat they were being saved to the memory card, and not the camera memory? [02:38] well, there is a way to see where / if it is recognised [02:38] if fdisk [02:38] did not pick it up [02:38] neither [02:38] will [02:38] nautilus [02:39] lsub and lspci will show if the device is there [02:39] positive triangles. camera doesnt have internet memory [02:39] internal* [02:39] ah, okay then [02:39] is [02:39] the reader internal or external? [02:39] internal [02:39] run 'lspci' then like phillw said and pastebin the output [02:41] http://pastebin.com/7n1mUQnn [02:41] that doesnt show i sd reader as far as i can see [02:42] have you used the reader in other os's? [02:42] how very unpleasant [02:42] is the reader disabled in the BIOS? [02:42] it worked with linpus that came with the netbook [02:42] i just installed unr recently [02:42] like, last night [02:43] * triangles hated nbr [02:43] i don't know what else to tell you [02:43] netbookrat: do you have a standard 10.04 boot disk kicking around? [02:43] no. [02:43] phillw: don't have him do that. it's not going to help [02:44] i could dl and make a bootable usb [02:44] but what are the chances its just missing a driver [02:44] ask on the fourms netbookrat [02:44] that's what i'm thinking [02:44] netbookrat: You're having issues with a card reader? [02:44] triangles: oh, and you know? why does 3G devices not work on some variants, but on 'main'?.... [02:44] i am collinp! [02:44] hellow? [02:44] triangles. [02:45]