[00:00] <win_2_linux> now thats totally offtopic my bad
[00:00] <win_2_linux> back to ubuntu
[00:04] <phillw> he did, at least spend sometime on the front line, before some USA magazine broke the embargo on the news.... But, as you say, we digress. My 1st experience of Mac OS was 27 years ago - it was in the print department at the company I worked at - it looked pretty kewl :-)
[00:09] <duanedesign> stlsaint: popng
[00:10] <stlsaint> duanedesign: hey i had a question that i forgot cause you TOOK TOO LONG!! :P
[00:10] <duanedesign> lol
[00:10] <stlsaint> oh yea i remember now
[00:11] <phillw> stlsaint: senile dementia is bad, but juvenille dementia is really sad :p
[00:11]  * phillw >>>   runs
[00:11] <stlsaint> you better >:)
[00:14] <zkriesse> lol
[00:14] <win_2_linux> my first intro to mac os was when i was working for a newspaper
[00:15] <win_2_linux> well i have to run, bbl maybe thanks all
[00:25] <zkriesse> welcome back aganice
[00:25] <zkriesse> hello triangles
[00:25] <triangles> hello i was wondering if you guys could tell me how i can set default options for java
[00:25] <triangles> hello zkriesse
[00:25] <triangles> i need to specify -Xmx256m
[00:25] <zkriesse> do you have java installed triangles ?
[00:25] <triangles> yes i have openjdk
[00:25] <zkriesse> !java
[00:25] <ubot2> To install a Java runtime on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java. For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases.
[00:26] <triangles> i have java installed..
[00:26] <phillw> triangles: openjdk is different to java
[00:26] <triangles> D;
[00:26] <triangles> its a jvm
[00:26] <triangles> whatever
[00:27] <triangles> i need to set -Xmx256m
[00:29] <phillw> triangles: do you want runtime or developer, what do you need it for?
[00:29] <triangles> does it  matter?
[00:29] <zkriesse> triangles: yes
[00:30] <triangles> OK
[00:30] <triangles> i am running resin
[00:30] <triangles> with apache
[00:30] <triangles> on a vps
[00:31] <phillw> triangles: For Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, the sun-java6 packages have been dropped from the Multiverse section of the Ubuntu archive. It is recommended that you use openjdk-6 instead.
[00:31] <triangles> WTF
[00:31] <phillw> is that what you are using?
[00:31] <triangles> yessss
[00:31] <triangles> i need
[00:31] <triangles> to
[00:31] <triangles> specify
[00:31] <triangles> -Xmx256
[00:32] <zkriesse> triangles: please do not get mad or upset with us
[00:32] <triangles> im not mad/upset
[00:32] <triangles> you're telling me how to install java
[00:32] <triangles> like i couldnt figure that out
[00:32] <phillw> triangles: so, what did you do to install it?
[00:32] <triangles> i need to know if there is a way i can set static java arguments
[00:32] <phillw> at least then I know we are on the same system
[00:32] <triangles> i need to know if there is a way i can set static java arguments
[00:33] <triangles> it was installed with the resin package as a dependency
[00:33] <triangles> i have java installed
[00:33] <triangles> i need
[00:33] <triangles> to know if there is a way i can set defualt java arguments
[00:34] <phillw> triangles: you are asking of the way java works
[00:34] <phillw> http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/tools/windows/java.html
[00:34] <phillw> explains a bit about it.
[00:34] <triangles> oh my god
[00:34] <triangles> I need
[00:35] <triangles> to know if there is a way i can make it whenever java is started
[00:35] <triangles> no matter how
[00:35] <triangles> that it's ran with a max heap size of 256m
[00:35] <triangles> i dont need a man page
[00:35] <triangles> its not in there
[00:35] <phillw> yes, you can start the java engine with a set heap size
[00:35] <triangles> i know how to do that
[00:36] <triangles> i need to know if there is a way i can set static java arguments
[00:36] <triangles> i need to know if there is a way i can set static java arguments
[00:36] <triangles> do you know what i mean by that?
[00:36] <triangles> that i dont have to say -Xmx256m every single time. because i'm not running a -jar
[00:36] <triangles> or anything like that where i myself invoke the jvm
[00:37]  * stlsaint hates java! :P
[00:37] <triangles> there's no reason to hate java.
[00:37] <stlsaint> like hell there isnt!! (well its more personal than anythin) nothing against java itself i guess!
[00:37] <phillw> triangles: you are asking on a ubuntu area about java, Java is cross platform - have a look at http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Programming/JVMPerf/
[00:38] <triangles> stlsaint: and what reasons do you have ?
[00:38] <stlsaint> triangles: personal/hence personal reasons :D
[00:39] <triangles> fts im going back to centos
[00:39] <phillw> or, have a look at http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23%23javascript&net=freenode
[00:40] <phillw> evidently it is ##javascript
[00:40] <stlsaint> BYE!
[00:41] <triangles> javascript?
[00:41] <triangles> wtf
[00:41] <phillw> triangles: do not call ubuntu areas for cross platform programmes, although, granted, you will get more help here than on other operating systems
[00:41] <triangles> why would you give me a link about javascript
[00:42] <phillw> triangles: yeah, coz they will be able to point you back to the irc for java
[00:42] <phillw> i'll go ask if you want
[00:42] <triangles> no
[00:42] <stlsaint> triangles: this is a support channel for ubuntu and or any other flavors of linux. If you need java help it is probably better for you to go to a java room instead of bashing this channel!
[00:43] <triangles> there's absolutely nothing about java in javascript
[00:43] <triangles> nothing
[00:43] <triangles> do you not know how javascript got it's name?
[00:44] <zkriesse> triangles: I'm going to ask you to either leave or behave
[00:44] <triangles> what?
[00:44] <triangles> what have i done?
[00:44] <triangles> nothing.
[00:44] <stlsaint> lol behave?
[00:45] <triangles> i  have done nothing wrong zkriesse
[00:45] <zkriesse> Well you keep bashing phillw like he doesn't know what he's talking about, you keep swearing, (wtf is indeed swearing) and you are somewhat rude
[00:45] <zkriesse> So at least tone it down just a bit
[00:45] <zkriesse> We're trying to help, thats all
[00:45] <triangles> yes i had to repeat myself literally 30 times
[00:46] <triangles> before he got it
[00:46] <tenach> triangles, patience is a good thing.
[00:46] <phillw> triangles: oddly enough, IBM are helping me out here, head over to http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/forums/dw_jforums.jspa?cmp=emuk_otdwjafo-20100527&cm=k&csr=google&cr=java_forum&ct=OTDWK010&ck=java_forum&ccy=UK&mkwid=s3I56TUtN_6723239703_4328nk2971
[00:46] <zkriesse> triangles: No you didn't have to repeat yourself...it wasn't necessary
[00:46] <triangles> he didnt understand what i was saying
[00:47] <triangles> it's okay phillw i am going to install java by myself not through apt
[00:47] <triangles> i just was having a hard time installing resin
[00:47] <triangles> that's why i tried ubuntu server
[00:47] <triangles> because they have .debs
[00:47] <triangles> caucho that is
[00:48] <zkriesse> triangles: Regardless if he understood you or not, it doesn't give you the right to be rude to him. Some of the people in here are in their 40's and 50's....just be nice!
[00:48] <phillw> triangles: that took some finding, even though I have google-fu; I can understand your frustrations, just please give us people a liitle time
[00:48] <phillw> http://forums.sun.com/index.jspa
[00:48] <triangles> yes i am 14, so what.
[00:48] <phillw> go there, all you need you can find
[00:49]  * iceflatline sighs
[00:49] <iceflatline> I'm 50 :(
[00:49] <zkriesse> hello iceflatline
[00:49] <zkriesse> iceflatline: how are ya?
[00:49] <tenach> Hiya iceflatline
[00:49] <iceflatline> zkriesse: great man, how are you?
[00:50] <iceflatline> good ($localtime) y'all
[00:50] <zkriesse> doing fairly well....knee hurts...
[00:50] <iceflatline> all those jumping jacks :)
[00:50] <phillw> iceflatline: that makes me the baby, I'm only 47 :-D
[00:50] <iceflatline> lol
[00:50] <triangles> yum is so much quicker then apt i cant believe it
[00:50] <iceflatline> youngster!
[00:50] <triangles> you're 47?
[00:50] <triangles> wow
[00:51] <triangles> i thought you were like
[00:51] <triangles> 16
[00:51]  * phillw still wet behind the ears ;-)
[00:51] <iceflatline> :)
[00:51] <iceflatline> The more I learn, the more I understand just how much I don't know.
[00:52] <triangles> when's the last time bodhi has been in this channel?:
[00:52] <zkriesse> triangles: you'll find that alot of the guys here are quite up in age
[00:52] <triangles> ah. i see
[00:52] <zkriesse> triangles: it's been some time since bodhi has been around
[00:52] <phillw> iceflatline: the older we get the more we just accept that we will not know it all - these youngsters still think that they can learn it all :p
[00:52] <triangles> define 'been some time'
[00:52] <tenach> triangles, the net and irc are wonderful for removing the age barrier between people.
[00:52] <zkriesse> triangles: probably a few months
[00:52] <triangles> damn
[00:52] <zkriesse> give or take a few weeks
[00:52] <tenach> You know, I haven't either.
[00:53] <triangles> is this channel dieing?
[00:53] <triangles> because i see none of the smarter people i did last year
[00:53] <phillw> bodhi is busy with stuff & family - he does pop by.
[00:53] <zkriesse> triangles: no...we have a council now...not just a lead, so bodhi isn't required to be here anymore
[00:53] <phillw> as do all the others
[00:53] <zkriesse> he pops in every once in a while
[00:54] <triangles> the council has been since the beginning zkriesse
[00:54] <zkriesse> triangles: A beginners Team council
[00:54] <triangles> the council has been since the beginning zkriesse
[00:56] <phillw> eehh, I've never seen Rambo First Blood part 2 .... it's really entertaining :-)
[00:56] <phillw> (sorry for gaps, when I'm laughing)
[00:59] <phillw> lmfao
[01:00] <zkriesse> lol phillw
[01:00]  * phillw moves rooms
[01:07] <stlsaint> triangles: why do i get the feeling that your looking for problems!? "....i see none of the smarter people i did last year..."
[01:07] <triangles> it's true. i don't
[01:08] <zkriesse> triangles: well if you have such an issue with us being supposedly dumb then why are you here?
[01:09] <stlsaint> triangles: either play nice or be prepared not to play at all!!!
[01:09] <triangles> cease highlighting me with requests that need no response
[01:14] <zkriesse> triangles: Ok thats enough man
[01:15] <triangles> cease highlighting me with requests that need no response
[01:15] <triangles> -ChanServ- 45    zkriesse               +VA (ubtmember) [modified 38 weeks, 3 days, 02:41:58 ago]
[01:15] <triangles> calm down.
[01:16] <tenach> I don't see anyone being anything but calm, triangles - it has been quiet in here for a few minutes.
[01:16] <triangles> cease highlighting me with requests that need no response
[01:16] <holstein> maybe you can learn more triangles
[01:17] <triangles> me, learn more?
[01:17] <holstein> and fill that nitch in here that your looking for
[01:17] <holstein> for others
[01:17] <triangles> what can i possibly learn
[01:17] <triangles> tell me
[01:17] <holstein> if the channel is not up to the level that your looking for
[01:18] <stlsaint> triangles: if you have all the answers why are you here asking for help?
[01:18] <triangles> i am not asking for help any longer
[01:19] <triangles> i have switched my server to centos
[01:19] <stlsaint> oh ok
[01:19] <triangles> and compiling resin at the moment
[01:20] <holstein> i just tried joining #centos-beginners
[01:20] <holstein> its availalbe
[01:20] <holstein> ble*
[01:22] <holstein> SO
[01:23] <holstein> would someone look at this bug?
[01:23] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/296502
[01:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 296502 in ubuntu "Intrepid/XP Router connection lost on shutdown (heat: 7)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[01:23] <holstein> its 'dead' right?
[01:23] <phillw> triangles: they do have a forum area, it's over at http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/ learn how to use google, get your black-belt in it & you will be pleasently suprised that not only can you only find answers to your questions, but help others. Life is all about learning, I am a librarian - I do not know every subject, but I'm pretty good at finding it for people who take the time to ask & let me look it up :-)
[01:23] <triangles> i am not reading that
[01:23] <triangles> i am busy
[01:23] <Raidsong> ohai everybody
[01:23] <duanedesign> Raidsong: hello
[01:24] <Raidsong> finally had a lull in my schoolwork so i thought i would come visit
[01:24] <duanedesign> nice'
[01:24] <holstein> im just trying to figure out how to go through some of the obvious old bugs im envolved with
[01:24] <holstein> and move them along
[01:25] <holstein> 'This bug report was marked for expiration 53 days ago'
[01:26] <holstein> does that mean its been marked expired?
[01:26] <holstein> or that it will be marked expired at some point?
[01:32] <phillw> holstein: I'm just getting my head around bug reporting, we can share notes if you want
[01:33] <tenach> Wrong button.
[01:33] <holstein> phillw: thanks, id be into that
[01:33] <holstein> i had some guys try and help me out with it about a year ago
[01:34] <holstein> but i didnt have my LP account set up properly
[01:34] <holstein> i feel like ive been reporting properly
[01:34] <holstein> and im going to try and become more helpful at some point
[01:35] <phillw> holstein: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[01:36] <iceflatline> I'd like to learn more about that myself.
[01:36] <phillw> I'm just getting back involved with the doc team, as they were altering how wiki pages etc were going to be done
[01:36] <holstein> cool
[01:37] <holstein> i gotta run right now
[01:37] <phillw> they are asking for triagers for the bug team
[01:37] <holstein> buy i'll bookmark that and bother you again soon ;)
[01:37] <holstein> thanks
[01:49] <spursncowboys> Hi everyone, I am trying to configure prey (preyproject.com) and the prey log-in window that comes up, when I run it on my ubuntu os, cuts off the bottom of the window. I cannot tell if there is a submit or cancel button.
[01:49] <spursncowboys> When I hit tab once and twice they both will close the window.
[01:49] <triangles> probably should contact them
[01:50] <triangles> i doubt anyone here, including myself has experience with that software
[01:50] <spursncowboys> so I cannot resize the window thru ubuntu?
[01:50] <stlsaint> what software?
[01:51] <spursncowboys> stlsaint: prey
[01:51] <triangles> uhmm
[01:51] <stlsaint> aye, neverused it
[01:52] <triangles> spursncowboys: is the window showing up in gnome-panel at the bottom of your screen?
[01:52] <triangles> where your applications are minimized etc
[01:53] <spursncowboys> triangles: yeah. Though I'm using the Ubuntu nbr
[01:53] <triangles> ah. i don't know 100% about the nbr but you could try right clicking it and there should be an option 'resize'
[01:55] <tenach> I have had little luck with resizing games like that.
[01:55] <spursncowboys> triangles: yeah that doesn't work. Just minimize, move and always on top are able to work.
[01:55] <packrat> speaking of nbr, how do i mount an sd card in 10.04?
[01:55] <triangles> i don't know what else to tell you friend.
[01:55] <spursncowboys> triangles: Ok I'll keep trying the tab thing. Thanks anyway.
[01:55] <tenach> spursncowboys, is there a file that you could edit the games starting resolution in?
[01:56] <triangles> packrat: the sd card should automatically mount itself
[01:56] <triangles> tenach: it is not a game
[01:56] <packrat> D:
[01:56] <triangles> packrat: are you sure that it's been properlly formatted?
[01:56] <packrat> well, i just took some pictures on a camera with the card
[01:57] <spursncowboys> tenach: its to locate your netbook if it gets stolen
[01:57] <spursncowboys> It worked easy as heck for me with windows.
[01:57] <triangles> everything always is easier in windows
[01:57] <triangles> for simple gui apps*
[01:57] <phillw> tenach: as you stated, if the drive were formatted, it would be of no help. I'm not too sure what level of protection you want?
[01:57] <triangles> spursncowboys: i'd try and contact thm.
[01:58] <tenach> phillw, wha?
[01:58] <triangles> are you trying to talk to me phillw
[01:58] <spursncowboys> triangles: I will. Yeah I am really missing and looking for a linux replacement to my Search Everything for windows.
[01:59] <triangles> 'search everything'
[01:59] <triangles> what is that?
[01:59] <triangles> oh okay
[01:59] <tenach> The Everything Search Engine
[01:59] <tenach> in window
[01:59] <tenach> *Windows
[02:00] <triangles> oh okay gotcha.
[02:00] <triangles> heh i always used find & grep for search
[02:01] <triangles> http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=linux+desktop+search
[02:01] <triangles> i'd start there
[02:01] <duanedesign> spursncowboys: there is Tracker
[02:01] <triangles> tenach: are you familiar with the terminal?
[02:02] <tenach> triangles, yes.
[02:02] <triangles> could you please pastebin the output of 'fdisk -l'
[02:02] <tenach> Having a near-instant index of files is, as far as I know, not that easy/possible to do if you're on an ext2/3/4 filesystem.
[02:02] <triangles> well
[02:02] <phillw> if you want to make google work for you, instead of the usual 25,455,999 results, then go learn http://www.google.com/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?answer=136861
[02:03] <triangles> if the program itself indexes the files, it can be instant
[02:03] <phillw> it will help you get you get your google-fu black-belt :-)
[02:04] <tenach> That would not work for me, as there's a lot of files that move around and that index would be out of date.  I don't really have a lot of need for something like that so I haven't really looked much more into it.
[02:04] <tenach> Also, I was noting that because of how the search everything engine works.
[02:05] <spursncowboys> duanedesign: oh ok, I'll try it. thnx
[02:05] <duanedesign> spursncowboys: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9536393&postcount=2
[02:05] <triangles> tenach: that's how it works on all filesystems my friend
[02:05] <triangles> there's no instant index
[02:05] <tenach> triangles, that is not true.
[02:06] <tenach> I didn't say instant, i said near-instant
[02:06] <triangles> are you talking about just your home dir
[02:06] <triangles> or the whole /
[02:06] <tenach> "Search everything", to me, means everything from /
[02:06] <triangles> then no
[02:06] <triangles> you're not going to get an instant index
[02:07] <triangles> it'd probably be faster on ext* then ntfs or whatever
[02:07] <tenach> ntfs is faster with that then ext* is
[02:07] <triangles> but not instant
[02:07] <tenach> I'm not talking instant, triangles
[02:07] <tenach> near-instant is not the same as intsant.
[02:07] <tenach> *instant.
[02:07] <triangles> near instant for me is less then 5 seconds
[02:08] <triangles> i will brb
[02:13] <packrat> so... yeah.  SD card not automatically mounting in UNR.  thoughts?
[02:14] <stlsaint> packrat: mount it manually
[02:14] <packrat> for that matter, how do i make sure the install actually has the drivers for the card reader
[02:15] <stlsaint> packrat: in your terminal enter: mount
[02:15] <packrat> derp
[02:15] <phillw> packrat: always use the liveCD mode to check how your system gets on with your hardware
[02:16] <phillw> that will let you know of any items that need checking up on, such as certain WiFi devices etc.
[02:16] <packrat> well, i forgot about the hotswap card reader
[02:17] <packrat> anyways, running mount in terminal returns results that are fairly greek to me
[02:18] <stlsaint> do you see the reader?
[02:18] <packrat> what am i looking for
[02:19] <phillw> packrat: take a read of dmesg before you attempt to use it, then make a note of new messages that appear after your using it - the new messages are the ones that matter.
[02:19] <stlsaint> phillw: you can take this one! :D
[02:20] <phillw> stlsaint: it just lets us know the device is actually seen by the system
[02:20] <packrat> yeah im not memorizing all that text.  terminal wont even scroll up far enough to encompass all of it
[02:20] <stlsaint> packrat: no need to memorize anything, just look for something like /dev/sdb
[02:20] <stlsaint> or /dev/sdc
[02:21] <packrat> in dmesg?
[02:21] <stlsaint> packrat: no, using the mount command
[02:21] <packrat> oh
[02:22] <packrat> got /dev/sda5 but thats there whether the card is present or not
[02:23] <phillw> packrat: what do you get if you type in mount in the the terminal?
[02:23] <packrat> just a sec.  im irc-ing from another computer
[02:23] <phillw> sda5 will not be the SD card
[02:24] <netrat> /dev/sda5 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[02:24] <netrat> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[02:24] <netrat> none on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[02:24] <netrat> none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[02:24] <netrat> none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
[02:24] <netrat> none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
[02:24] <netrat> none on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[02:24] <netrat> none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)
[02:24] <netrat> none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[02:25] <netrat> none on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[02:25] <netrat> none on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[02:25] <netrat> none on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[02:25] <netrat> none on /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs type debugfs (rw,relatime)
[02:25] <netrat> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[02:25] <netrat> gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/trevor/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=trevor)
[02:25] <packrat> thats what it reads
[02:26] <phillw> okies, next time can you paste bin it, it's no big problem.
[02:26] <packrat> sorry
[02:27] <phillw> your SD reader is not being seen
[02:27] <packrat> what i was afraid of
[02:27] <phillw> that is not a really big problem, as stlsaint said, it may just need mounting
[02:28] <phillw> if you go to 'places' do you see it in the list there?
[02:29] <packrat> places?
[02:30] <packrat> 10.04 here, if that makes a difference
[02:30] <phillw> I'll need one of the ubuntu people here.... where is places from the ubuntu menu bar ?
[02:30]  * phillw running lubuntu, I can switch over to ubuntu in a couple of minutes if no one else here.
[02:31] <phillw> okies packrat I'll reboot into ubuntu - give me a cple of minutes
[02:31] <packrat> sure
[02:33] <triangles> what what
[02:33] <triangles> packrat:
[02:33] <packrat> in the butt
[02:33] <triangles> did you do what i said about fdisk -l ?
[02:33] <triangles> paste the output for that please
[02:33] <packrat> oh, missed that
[02:34] <packrat> fdisk -l does nothing
[02:34] <triangles> oh run as root please
[02:34] <triangles> sudo fdisk -l
[02:35] <packrat> ahah
[02:35] <packrat> i thought it would tell me when i didnt have permission to do something
[02:35]  * phillw back in 10.04 'ubuntu'
[02:35] <triangles> nope
[02:35] <triangles> paste it please
[02:35] <triangles> on a pastebin would be best
[02:36] <phillw> okies, packrat you should see Applications, Places, system on the top of your screen ?
[02:36] <netbookrat> http://pastebin.com/9PT362QH
[02:37] <triangles> phillw: it's not going to work
[02:37] <triangles> it's not showing up in fdisk
[02:37] <triangles> so nautilus definitely is not going to pick it up
[02:37] <netbookrat> negative on that anyways
[02:37] <netbookrat> i guess the setup for unr is different that default ubuntu
[02:37] <triangles> not really
[02:37] <triangles> not for stuff like this
[02:38] <netbookrat> well, i dont see any applications or places thing
[02:38] <triangles> netbookrat: when you were taking the pictures are you sure tthat they were being saved to the memory card, and not the camera memory?
[02:38] <phillw> well, there is a way to see where / if it is recognised
[02:38] <triangles> if fdisk
[02:38] <triangles> did not pick it up
[02:38] <triangles> neither
[02:38] <triangles> will
[02:38] <triangles> nautilus
[02:39] <phillw> lsub and lspci will show if the device is there
[02:39] <netbookrat> positive triangles. camera doesnt have internet memory
[02:39] <netbookrat> internal*
[02:39] <triangles> ah, okay then
[02:39] <triangles> is
[02:39] <triangles> the reader internal or external?
[02:39] <netbookrat> internal
[02:39] <triangles> run 'lspci' then like phillw said and pastebin the output
[02:41] <netbookrat> http://pastebin.com/7n1mUQnn
[02:41] <triangles> that doesnt show i sd reader as far as i can see
[02:42] <triangles> have you used the reader in other os's?
[02:42] <netbookrat> how very unpleasant
[02:42] <triangles> is the reader disabled in the BIOS?
[02:42] <netbookrat> it worked with linpus that came with the netbook
[02:42] <netbookrat> i just installed unr recently
[02:42] <netbookrat> like, last night
[02:43]  * triangles hated nbr
[02:43] <triangles> i don't know what else to tell you
[02:43] <phillw> netbookrat: do you have a standard 10.04 boot disk kicking around?
[02:43] <netbookrat> no.
[02:43] <triangles> phillw: don't have him do that. it's not going to help
[02:44] <netbookrat> i could dl and make a bootable usb
[02:44] <netbookrat> but what are the chances its just missing a driver
[02:44] <triangles> ask on the fourms netbookrat
[02:44] <triangles> that's what i'm thinking
[02:44] <collinp> netbookrat: You're having issues with a card reader?
[02:44] <phillw> triangles: oh, and you know? why does 3G devices not work on some variants, but on 'main'?....
[02:44] <netbookrat> i am collinp!
[02:44] <triangles> hellow?
[02:44] <collinp> triangles.
[02:45] <triangles> oh well that's a gay nick
[02:45] <collinp> That's rather offensive.
[02:45] <triangles> what happened to hellow?
[02:45] <phillw> the requiremement here is to find if it is problem with ubuntu, or a problem with the variant.
[02:46] <collinp> phillw: It's possible - however, unlikely.
[02:46] <netbookrat> well, i got a inkling of a possible solution from some forum posts that it might be identified if i reboot with the card in
[02:46] <phillw> that is the only way a bug can be filed or a solution
[02:46] <netbookrat> so gonna try that
[02:47] <packrat> man, and all i wanted to do was just make a craigslist post
 triangles: oh, and you know? why does 3G devices not work on some variants, but on 'main'?....
[02:48] <triangles> what?
[02:48] <triangles> what is the 'main'?
[02:48] <collinp> A standard installation of Ubuntu, I would guess.
[02:48] <packrat> hah, it did work
[02:48] <triangles> ah
[02:49] <triangles> so collinp
[02:49] <triangles> how still play ogame?
[02:49] <packrat> rebooting is a pretty lame workaround though
[02:49] <phillw> triangles: main is bog standard ubuntu, as soon as you use another flavour and there is a bug, especially when they sya it was working previously, you should check.
[02:49] <collinp> Do I know you?
[02:49] <triangles> nawhh
[02:53] <packrat> so i take it f-spot doesnt even resize images
[03:01] <Raidsong> i shall miss triangles
[03:01] <Raidsong> they are my favorite shape of all
[03:01] <phillw> packrat: no, it just a photo displayer, my views on ceasing GIMP are mine, i just install it
[03:02] <phillw> you can use imagemagick to just resize images, from the command line
[03:06] <packrat> ok, thanks
[03:06] <packrat> anyways, i must be off. thanks for your efforts on the SD card issue
[03:30] <zkriesse> hey Raidsong
[04:30] <nuboon2Win> kermiac: ping
[05:00] <zkriesse> hello ridin
[05:00] <zkriesse> nuboon2Win: yes?
[05:00] <ridin> hello
[05:08] <nuboon2Win> zkriesse: howdy... i'm experimenting w/ running Portable Ubuntu for Windoze.  It's basically like Wine in reverse.  P.U. 'tres' = Karmic running as a program on Windows.  Weird.  Interesting.  Weird.
[06:53] <Darkness_Des> Hey, I've got a quick question about my plan of partitioning.
[06:55] <Darkness_Des> I plan to shrink Win7 to half of the drive, then make a 20 GB / partition, a 60 GB /usr partition, a 75 GB /home partition, and then a 5 GB swap area.
[06:55] <Darkness_Des> Is that a decent size? Or is the / partition too small?
[08:01] <zkriesse> hello rob0917 and what up! hobgoblin
[08:01] <hobgoblin> little here - other than back ache... at least the sun is out
[08:01] <zkriesse> heh
[08:08] <hobgoblin> zkriesse: triangles was a troll - why did you all keep feeding him :)
[08:08] <hobgoblin> hi bodzilla
[08:09] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: eh i was somewhat having fun with it
[08:09] <zkriesse> talking about how he knew cold fusion and what not
[08:09] <ddecator> ha, i hadn't read that convo..
[08:09] <hobgoblin> should have been kicked - I also have a fairly good idea who it was as well
[08:11] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: that one dude from a few weeks back?
[08:12] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: if i could have i would have kicked him....but...
[08:13] <bodzilla> hobgloblin hody
[08:13] <hobgoblin> should have gone to teaa to wake an op then
[08:13] <bodzilla> *howdy
[08:13] <hobgoblin> bodzilla: you should try tab complete on the nicks :D
[08:14] <hobgoblin> zkriesse: if it was who I thought it was the one dude from a few weeks back has been a pain for longer than you've been about
[08:14] <bodzilla> how is that done
[08:14] <hobgoblin> type hob then hit tab
[08:15]  * hobgoblin assumes it works in whatever client you use ... 
[08:15] <bodzilla> hobgoblin,  hey thats great I have been to embarrassed to ask how to use this stuff
[08:15] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: that kid? Yeah i know about ihim
[08:15] <zkriesse> hello sonu
[08:16] <hobgoblin> bodzilla: never be emabarassed :) I posted a thread on the forum on how to bump lol
[08:16] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: what client you using?
[08:17] <bodzilla> hobgoblin,  always bump at 23 hrs 50 seconds just to break the netiquite
[08:17] <sonu> hi zkriesse
[08:17] <hobgoblin> bodzilla: and doing /me at the beginning makes it from you - eg  /me is not embarrassed now - would be bodzilla is not ...
[08:17] <hobgoblin> zkriesse: xchat
[08:17] <ddecator> tsk tsk
[08:17] <hobgoblin> bodzilla: you misunderstand - I did not know what 'bump' was - so asked :)
[08:17] <sonu> i'm using ubuntu 10.4, some sites in firefox are not loading, the load icon keeps circling
[08:18] <ddecator> sonu: are you using the default firefox?
[08:18] <sonu> yes
[08:18] <bodzilla> hobgoblin,  oh I see, I make a fool of myself on a minute by min basis
[08:18] <ddecator> sonu: are you using extensions?
[08:18] <sonu> yes
[08:19] <ddecator> sonu: try running 'firefox -P' in a terminal, then create a new profile (don't delete your default one) and test with that to see if it's the same
[08:20] <bodzilla> hobgoblin, had another user tell me I was rude and preaching. and you know what their right ;)
[08:20] <sonu> same problem, still loading
[08:21] <ddecator> sonu: ok, what's an example site?
[08:21] <sonu> some sites load but the load icon keeps moving
[08:21] <sonu> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[08:21] <sonu> gmail loads
[08:22] <sonu> hotmail loads
[08:22] <ddecator> ubuntu's site doesn't load at all?
[08:22] <sonu> in some sites the load icon keeps circling even when the page has loaded
[08:22] <ddecator> the firefox activity indicator, or the mouse cursor's?
[08:22] <hobgoblin> sonu: please give us one of the url's you are looking at
[08:23] <hobgoblin> then we can see if the behaviour can be replicated
[08:23] <hobgoblin> nvm - found it :)
[08:23] <ddecator> heh, i was about to point it out :p
[08:23] <sonu> http://http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[08:24] <ddecator> it loads for me just fine
[08:24] <ddecator> (but i'm on FF 4.0)
[08:24] <sonu> i'm also geting this error W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.32-22-generic_2.6.32-22.36_i386.deb
[08:24] <ddecator> could be a network issue..
[08:24] <sonu> yes might be a network problem
[08:25] <sonu> do i've to talk to my isp?
[08:25] <ddecator> not at this point :)
[08:26] <hobgoblin> sonu: check in a terminal - apps > accessories   then do   ping www.google.com
[08:26] <sonu> it's working
[08:26] <sonu> ping is working
[08:27] <ddecator> Ctrl+C to make it stop
[08:27] <sonu> this download stops at 14%, doesn't proceeds after that http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.32-22-generic_2.6.32-22.36_i386.deb
[08:27] <ddecator> ...that should be -23
[08:27] <ddecator> no wait
[08:28] <ddecator> wait yah it should
[08:28] <ddecator> my conky is wrong :(
[08:28] <ddecator> sonu: does it consitantly not load the same sites and always load others, or is it hit and miss?
[08:29] <sonu> the first one
[08:29] <sonu> not hit and miss
[08:29] <sonu> consitantly not load the same sites and always load others
[08:29] <ddecator> any non-ubuntu sites not loading?
[08:32] <sonu> http://www.squidoo.com/
[08:33] <sonu> while reloading synaptic package the download halts mid way
[08:33] <sonu> is it a DNS problem?
[08:34] <sonu> may be i should talk to MY ISP...
[08:35] <sonu> got this error, the download halted at 4% Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
[08:35] <ddecator> huh, that one loads fine too...
[08:35] <ddecator> did this just start recently happening or has it happened since you started using 10.04?
[08:36] <sonu> recently
[08:36] <ddecator> hm :(
[08:36] <hobgoblin> do you have proxy set?
[08:37] <sonu> no proxy, ipv6 is disabled
[08:37] <ddecator> dang, and ipv6 was going to be my next guess..
[08:37] <sonu> i've a cable internet, ethernet connection
[08:37] <hobgoblin> how have you disabled ipv6?
[08:38] <sonu> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/how-to-disable-ipv6-in-ubuntu-1004.html
[08:38] <sonu> plus, it's also disabled in firefox
[08:39] <sonu> I get this error everytime i reload package, the download halted at 4% Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
[08:39] <ddecator> and the problem still occurs even if you restart your system?
[08:39] <sonu> yes, for the past 4 days
[08:39] <hobgoblin> check in synaptic - settings - prefs - network
[08:40] <sonu> direct connection ti internet
[08:43] <sonu> my system has both versions of ubuntu, 32 and 64
[08:43] <sonu> may be this is the prob
[08:43] <ddecator> on separate partitions though, right?
[08:43] <sonu> but it never happened before
[08:43] <sonu> yes separate partitions
[08:46] <sonu> may be i should run a fresh install of ubuntu
[08:46] <sonu> see you guys, tthanks for your time, it's appreciated.
[08:46] <sonu> see ya soon
[08:49] <ddecator> oh, shoot, didn't mean for the convo to end there :(
[08:49] <hobgoblin> such is life
[08:51] <ddecator> oui, c'est la vie
[08:52] <hobgoblin> bah
[08:52] <hobgoblin> you canadian?
[08:52] <hobgoblin> :)
[08:52] <Puck`> lol
[08:52] <hobgoblin> slumberers awake ...
[08:52] <hobgoblin> morning akos :)
[08:52] <Puck`> so if someone talks french they're canadians?  ((:
[08:52] <Puck`> hi hobgoblin
[08:53] <hobgoblin> :)
[08:53] <Puck`> i'd just call them half-headed, but meh :P
[08:53] <hobgoblin> Puck`: old joke from before half of you voiced lot where voiced :)
[08:54] <ddecator> hobgoblin: nah, just try to make use of my 4 years of french
[08:54] <hobgoblin> I don't mean any nastiness by it
[08:54] <hobgoblin> ddecator: I did my french oral exam in english ... and got thrown out of the written exam for snoring
[08:55] <ddecator> hobgoblin: what a pro
[08:56] <hobgoblin> :)
[08:57] <Puck`> lol
[08:58] <Puck`> hobgoblin: true french style
[08:59] <ddecator> should have told them to f*** off and left to bye some bread, that would have gotten you full credit
[09:00] <ddecator> "dang, we're teaching them too well..."
[09:00] <ddecator> but i kid :)
[09:00] <hobgoblin> lol
[09:00] <hobgoblin> now of course 30 years later I wish I could do other languages - maybe not french though ...
[09:01] <Puck`> swahili?
[09:01] <ddecator> i still want to learn dutch..
[09:01] <Puck`> that's one ugly language :\
[09:02] <hobgoblin> Puck`: I can just about understand what spaniards are talking about - ex-wife was spanish and I still have a lot of spanish friends
[09:03] <Puck`> yeah, same here, i just understand them because i know romanian
[09:03] <ddecator> Puck`: maybe so, but i'm mostly dutch and grew up in a very dutch community, so it interests me :)
[09:03] <Puck`> oh, now that explains a lot :P
[09:04]  * hobgoblin wonders how romanian could be like dutch or spanish 
[09:04] <Puck`> umm more like spanish
[09:04] <Puck`> spanish italian french and romanian are all latin based languages, they have lots in common
[09:05] <ddecator> Puck`: something wrong with the dutch? :p
[09:05]  * hobgoblin assumed romanian to be less latin 
[09:05] <hobgoblin> ddecator: brazilians might think so ...
[09:05] <ddecator> hobgoblin: right now yes
[09:05] <hobgoblin> :)
[09:05] <Puck`> ddecator: oh no, i love dutch :D Go Holland!
[09:06] <ddecator> Puck`: holland is a 15min drive away from me
[09:06] <hobgoblin> lol - I assumed you to be another american ddecator :)
[09:06] <Puck`> ddecator: umm, i think this might be a missunderstanding, but Holland = Netherlands
[09:06] <ddecator> hobgoblin: i am :p
[09:06] <Puck`> i so knew it ((:
[09:06] <ddecator> Puck`: there is more than one holland
[09:06] <hobgoblin> no - there is not ...
[09:07] <Puck`> ddecator: well for you americans, for the rest of the world, there's only one :P
[09:07] <hobgoblin> there might be a new holland like a new england
[09:07] <ddecator> http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=holland+michigan&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Holland,+MI&gl=us&ei=pO8uTI-_KMiKnQe6jKmzAw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ8gEwAA
[09:07] <ddecator> oh, longer than i thought..
[09:08] <ddecator> like i said, very dutch community :)
[09:08] <Puck`> that's holland michigan
[09:08] <Puck`> :P
[09:09] <ddecator> it's still "holland" :)
[09:09] <Puck`> oh man  (((:
[09:10] <Puck`> anyway, i was saying Holland because i ment it for the country name
[09:10] <ddecator> haha, i know
[09:10] <hobgoblin> so I was right you are in fact jafa
[09:11] <Puck`> haha
[09:13] <ddecator> if you want to see it that way...
[09:15] <hobgoblin> :)
[09:15] <hobgoblin> anyway I am off now - have a good day/night/morning/afternoon
[09:15] <ddecator> me too, night everyone
[09:18] <Puck`> c u
[09:18] <Puck`> (:
[09:34] <zkriesse> night ddecator
[09:34] <zkriesse> hello sardonyx and oCean_
[09:35] <oCean_> good morging zkriesse
[09:35] <oCean_> *morning
[09:35] <zkriesse> heh
[09:35] <zkriesse> it's 8:35 UTC for me dude
[09:36] <zkriesse> (3 am ) for me
[13:54] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[13:55] <philinux> o/ duane
[13:56] <duanedesign> hey there philinux
[13:57] <philinux> bit quiet on here. Peeps logged in but not active
[13:57] <duanedesign> philinux: are the forums working better for you
[13:58] <philinux> Seem to be
[13:58] <duanedesign> i saw a message the other day that they were working on them
[13:58] <philinux> how do you get your name and post in red on here
[13:58] <philinux> bit newbie with irc
[13:58] <philinux> using xchat
[13:59] <duanedesign> what clien...
[13:59] <duanedesign> :)
[14:00] <philinux> xchat seems pretty good
[14:00] <duanedesign> hmm. i am not sure how to change nick color
[14:01] <duanedesign> philinux: xchat is good. For a Terminal based solution i like irssi
[14:02] <philinux> your last message came up red some others are blue
[14:02] <duanedesign> probably because i highlighted you
[14:02] <philinux> err what that highlight
[14:02] <duanedesign> philinux: said my name
[14:03] <philinux> duanedesign: tests messages
[14:03] <duanedesign> aha
[14:03] <philinux> did that come up red at your end
[14:03] <duanedesign> yellow
[14:03] <duanedesign> i think it is different for each client
[14:04] <duanedesign> your normally green on my client
[14:04] <philinux> ah ok,  just been out in my old 1961 wolseley. Gave it a run to shops
[14:05] <duanedesign> philinux: awesome!
[14:06] <duanedesign> do you have any pictures of your car?
[14:06] <philinux> somewhere yes
[14:07] <duanedesign> %ktest
[14:07] <philinux> found one
[14:08] <duanedesign> bold
[14:09] <duanedesign> bBlue
[14:09] <duanedesign> underline
[14:16] <philinux> duanedesign: check my changed avatar, this is Boris  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9542167#post9542167
[14:17] <duanedesign> that is nice
[14:18] <philinux> Interior needs a fair bit of work.
[14:18] <philinux> Bodywork not the best, bonnet does not fit as it should but hey it runs
[14:19] <philinux> Cheap insurance and no road tax
[14:21] <duanedesign> that is a cool car. What model is that?
[14:24] <philinux> Wolseley 1500 similar to this. http://www.wolseleyworld.com/goimage.php?imagealt=1958%20Wolseley%201500%20MkI&image=images/classifieds%201958%20wolseley%201500%20mki%20%28xrt%2060%29%20front%20large.jpg&width=640&height=473
[14:27] <philinux> Here's a nice example in two tone. http://www.classiccars.co.uk/wolseley/1500/advert/9205
[14:27] <duanedesign> philinux: what is the bonnet?
[14:28] <philinux> err hood
[14:42] <duanedesign> philinux: ahh
[14:43] <philinux> The inner wings were rotten so had to be rebuilt from scratch. When my guy put it back together it's slightly misaligned. Ok from a distance lol
[17:46] <needpieceofmind> hello all once again well im back with a few more questions
[17:47] <drubin> needpieceofmind: So what are the questions ;)
[17:47] <needpieceofmind> umm im playing with ettercap and it says ssl dissertion needs a valid 'redir_command_on'script
[17:47] <needpieceofmind> on the etter.conf file
[17:48] <needpieceofmind> i dont understand the ssl dissertion
[17:48] <drubin> Sorry I can't help with that.
[17:48] <needpieceofmind> ok np thank you for making a effort to help
[18:06] <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=backtrack-3-man/etter.conf   the entry on  'redir_command_on' might help.
[18:12] <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: here is a nice thread on the forums with lots of links and info. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1233458
[18:13] <ShayonJ> zkriesse, are you leaving ?
[18:42] <sandi> hi every one can anyone help me set up up usb access in virtual box please
[18:43] <sandi> any one is here
[18:43] <ShayonJ> sandi, yes. But I dont know
[18:44] <ShayonJ> oops !
[18:54] <philinux> sandi, you need to add your user to /etc/group vboxusers
[18:55] <ShayonJ> philinux, sandi left :-)
[18:57] <philinux> for future ref, vboxusers:x:125:username
[18:57] <ShayonJ> okay !
[19:02] <stlsaint> philinux: lol...its awhole lot easier command than that! :D
[19:06] <philinux> Thats a copy of the entry in my /etc/group
[19:06] <philinux> Or use users and groups
[19:11] <geirha> sudo adduser username vboxusers
[19:12] <stlsaint> +1 geirha
[19:40] <needpieceofmind> why when i try to change my mac address would it say "error: incorrect format: mac length is 17. 11:22:33:44:55
[19:41] <needpieceofmind> lmoa its a idiots error on my part forgot to do the 00:
[19:41] <zkriesse> hey duanedesign
[19:44] <ShayonJ> zkriesse, hi
[19:46] <zkriesse> hello ShayonJ
[19:46] <ShayonJ> zkriesse, you leaving ?
[19:46] <duanedesign> hello zkriesse
[19:46] <zkriesse> ShayonJ: no why
[19:46] <Puck`> ey boys
[19:47] <ShayonJ> zkriesse, I read your mail - so came here to ask you :-)
[19:47] <zkriesse> duanedesign: hey dude, what memo did i send? the one you just read
[19:47] <zkriesse> ShayonJ: oh no...sorry for the confusion
[19:47] <duanedesign> zkriesse: about the padawan Page
[19:47] <zkriesse> duanedesign: ah
[19:47] <duanedesign> :)
[19:47] <zkriesse> duanedesign: any ideas on what you want to do with it?
[19:48] <zkriesse> duanedesign: if so jump in -team so we can hash it over
[19:48] <ShayonJ> zkriesse, oh ok . Never mind , was curious as to were you leaving or not :)
[19:48] <ShayonJ> zkriesse, I meant , why . Please dont take it the other . My writing skills are not good
[19:48] <ShayonJ> other way*
[19:49] <zkriesse> ShayonJ: I was just trying to gauge my place here in the team.
[19:49] <ShayonJ> ohk !
[23:02] <zkriesse> hello kryptic
[23:03] <kryptic> hi zkriesse
[23:10] <zkriesse> hey phillw get your but in -wiki
[23:10] <zkriesse> you to PD187
[23:14] <kryptic> what do the yellow dots infront of the aliases mean??anyone?
[23:15] <zkriesse> kryptic: it means that they have voice
[23:15] <zkriesse> And voice means that they are a Beginners Team Member
[23:16] <kryptic> ok
[23:16] <zkriesse> yeah
[23:16] <zkriesse> and green is op
[23:17] <kryptic> could u tell me more about the Beginners Team Members?
[23:18] <zkriesse> kryptic: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam
[23:18] <kryptic> thanks zkriesse
[23:19] <zkriesse> kryptic: yup....if you want to know about the team ask the team!
[23:21] <kryptic> we could do wit more zkriesses in the world. thanks again
[23:21] <zkriesse> kryptic: why thanks
[23:21] <zkriesse> Hi Dextralus!
[23:23] <kryptic> zkriesse:im the newest newbie. not everyone said hello when i entered
[23:23] <zkriesse> kryptic: well most are here in the sense that they're logged on but they are not at their pc
[23:24] <phillw> kryptic: as the topic says, don't feel the need to introduce your self :-) But welcome to the Ubuntu Beginners area
[23:24] <newboon2age_> kryptic: which irc client are you using.  in Konversation i don't see the dots.
[23:24] <kryptic> zkriesse:so they should log out and not make others think they are available
[23:26] <zkriesse> kryptic: well what client are you using
[23:26] <zkriesse> kryptic: in xhcat those who are not there will be greyed out
[23:26] <kryptic> phillw:ok
[23:27] <phillw> newboon2age_: each irc client is slightly different, there will be wiki pages for each of them. for konversation the wiki page is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konversation
[23:27] <kryptic> zkriesse:im on xchat
[23:27] <phillw> i use the irc part of pidgin, so my system will be different to xchat etc, just look up the wiki page for whatever client you are using :-)
[23:30] <kryptic> zkriesse:got it
[23:30] <zkriesse> kryptic: cool
[23:49] <kryptic> zkriesse:how about the thin red lines i see every now and then?
[23:50] <zkriesse> kryptic: don't remember
[23:50] <zkriesse> you can turn it off though
[23:50] <zkriesse> hello xsaiddx
[23:51] <kryptic> ok
[23:52] <xsaiddx> hello
[23:52] <xsaiddx> hows you guys doin with your ubuntu's : D
[23:52]  * zkriesse is just fine
[23:52] <xsaiddx> cool
[23:53]  * zkriesse is doing wiki editing atm
[23:53] <xsaiddx> zkriesse: have you ever used drupal ?
[23:54] <zkriesse> nope
[23:54] <xsaiddx> ok
[23:54] <kryptic> i must say im using Lucid and im blown away
[23:55] <kryptic> its just amazing
[23:55] <zkriesse> kryptic: cool
[23:56] <kryptic> i hope 10.10 doesnt force me to upgrade
[23:59] <phillw> kryptic: as you're using a LTS release, you next _have_ to upgrade in about 3 years :-)