[03:42] <nigelb> IdleOne: official representative of Canada? right
[03:43] <valorie> just as you are for India
[03:43] <valorie> :-)
[03:43] <valorie> and me for the USA
[03:44] <nigelb> heh
[03:44] <nigelb> valorie: IdleOne is from quebec, I was about to pull his leg about it :D
[03:44] <valorie> oooo, Quebecois!
[05:14] <elky> nigelb, he did say "the canadas"
[05:16] <valorie> nicely spied, elky
[05:16]  * valorie calls up the FBI
[05:16] <valorie> ;-)
[05:32] <IdleOne> elky: you saw that huh
[05:40] <nigelb> elky: heh
[05:40] <nigelb> elky: good one ;)
[10:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:19] <nigelb> czajkowski: good morning! Hows your weekend?
[10:22] <czajkowski> in bed watching tv on laptop
[10:23] <czajkowski> mothership found google earth last night and spent hours on it
[10:23] <czajkowski> looking at places she lived years ago and zooming up to the house,
[10:23] <czajkowski> it's a new toy for her
[10:27] <nigelb> heh
[10:27]  * nigelb giggles at mothership
[10:28] <czajkowski> nigelb: all being and all knowing! trust me best name
[10:28] <nigelb> czajkowski: heh, agreed about all being and all knowing - all mom's are that way
[10:29] <valorie> we just pretend well
[10:29] <valorie> ;-)
[10:30] <czajkowski> valorie: hah
[10:41] <nigelb> valorie: aha, so that's the secret!
[10:42] <valorie> oh shoot, this is logged
[10:42] <nigelb> heh
[10:42] <valorie> I've lost plausible deniability
[10:43] <valorie> sorry, mothers of the world
[10:43] <czajkowski> valorie: we wont tell
[10:43] <valorie> I've let down the side
[10:43] <valorie> lol
[10:43] <nigelb> valorie: the LOGS will haunt you!
[10:44] <valorie> exactly!
[10:45] <valorie> you sneaky lot already knew it anyway
[10:45] <valorie> I know you've gotten away with unspeakable crimes......
[10:45] <valorie> lol
[10:48] <czajkowski> :)
[10:49] <valorie> the key bit: we love you anyway
[10:49] <valorie> that's actually the secret
[10:56] <czajkowski> valorie: how many kids do you have?
[10:57] <valorie> 3 birth children
[10:57] <valorie> and Colin, whom I raised from 14 on
[10:57] <valorie> he's 21 now
[10:57] <czajkowski> valorie: wow 4 kids
[10:58] <czajkowski> valorie: any of them converted to ubuntu :)
[10:58] <valorie> my oldest is ...35
[10:58] <valorie> he's the one who moved me to Mandrake, then Gentoo, and finally Kubuntu
[10:59] <valorie> see, I have earned the linux grandma thing
[10:59] <valorie> because I had my grandson using Qimo last time they were over
[10:59] <valorie> :-)
[11:02] <czajkowski> impressive
[11:12] <czajkowski> gah the mothership staye up till 5am on google earth
[11:21]  * valorie hopes not to do the same thing
[11:22] <valorie> niters all
[11:23] <nigelb> night valorie :)
[11:27] <czajkowski> valorie: nn
[11:27] <czajkowski> time for some late breakie
[11:28]  * nigelb yawns
[11:29] <nigelb> in retrospect, getting up at 3:30 am wasn't such a great idea
[13:08] <czajkowski> nigelb: why.... were you up that early?
[13:09] <nigelb> czajkowski: well, I got up thirsty, then I went to check what happened to the match, and then started readinhg a book, and ended up not going back to bed
[13:14] <czajkowski> ugh hate those nights
[13:15] <nigelb> the only thing that's keping me awake is foosball ever 30 minutes :D
[13:31] <czajkowski> :(
[13:35] <czajkowski> interesting blog post, some of the stuff I'd never evn thought of http://geekfeminism.org/2010/06/20/clothes-and-geek-feminism/  I just get dressed.
[13:36] <czajkowski> which I found when reading http://geekfeminism.org/2010/06/17/can-you-dress-well-and-be-taken-seriously-as-a-woman-in-technology/
[13:39] <czajkowski> but what is  a staqndard geek uniform?
[13:40] <czajkowski> *standard
[13:43] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I've always assumed it was geeky-tshirt or polo shirt & jeans or kahkis
[13:44] <czajkowski> ah gotcha
[13:44] <czajkowski> I don't equate that to geeky though, but I guess it could be
[13:46] <Pendulum> well I'm specifying geeky t-shirts there
[13:46] <Pendulum> (or geeky polo shirts)
[13:47] <czajkowski> *nods*
[13:47] <czajkowski> the 2nd post I liked to raised some interesting points on how people dress at work
[13:48] <czajkowski> Pendulum: you've seen me and see how I dress, it's not geeky, but I do love my jeans and hoddys in the winter, compared to my sister I dress like a slob. so I suspect it'll depend on where you work
[13:48] <czajkowski> Do you think that dressing up in geek society is a privilege?
[13:48] <czajkowski> is a questions raised.
[13:48] <czajkowski> I don't think it is.  I think it's how ever a person feels comfortable
[13:52] <Pendulum> I think dressing up + being taken seriously can be a privileged situation, but it's also pretty complicated
[13:52] <Pendulum> and isn't always a geek thing
[13:53] <Pendulum> But, I also don't think you dress particularly dressy
[13:56] <Pendulum> I do think it's a lot about context
[13:57] <Pendulum> if you can dress corporate and still be taken seriously in a context where everyone around you is in jeans and a t-shirt, then in any circle you've got privlege
[13:57] <Pendulum> I do think there can be pressure to blend in with the guys, though, at geek events
[13:58] <Pendulum> which is why I tend to (consciously) go the other way (not to mention the fact that I don't actually know where my jeans are)
[14:06] <Pendulum> and those articles only minorly touch on the ablism of clothing expectations
[14:06] <Pendulum> *disablism
[14:21] <czajkowski> aye perhaps just places I've worked it really didnt matter if I wore a dress, jeans or suit.  everyone wore what they liked tbh
[14:21] <czajkowski> but then again small company
[14:22] <czajkowski> approx 28 inhouse stafff
[14:22] <czajkowski> hse as long as it was smart it was ok
[14:22] <Pendulum> oh, I totally stood out where I worked because I dressed "too nice"
[14:24] <czajkowski> I did on ocassion when I'd gone weeks in hoodies and jeans to come in the next day in jeans heels and a going out top for post woerk drink
[14:24] <czajkowski> but then agai my place was a tad weird.