[00:00] <unomi> where can I get to the ubiquity install script?
[00:17] <hggdh> absolutely -1 to any user-data-cleaning programme... the data is the user's property, we cannot delete it
[00:17] <ddecator> hggdh: +1
[00:18] <ddecator> to your statement, now the idea
[00:18] <ddecator> not*
[00:18] <hggdh> :-)
[00:18] <hggdh> ddecator: is it (-1 +1), or -(1 +1)?
[00:19] <ddecator> hggdh: uh...(-1 +1)
[00:19] <ddecator> i think :p
[00:19] <hggdh> ddecator: :-)
[00:20] <hggdh> but if one writes a programme that will take care on what it does to remove user data, I have no issue. My issue is with 'apt-get purge xyz' deleting user data
[01:17] <penguin42> hggdh: Where was the user data?
[01:28] <penguin42> hmm bed
[09:28] <vish> hmm, a weird doubt , doesnt the ubuntu server use the same packages as the ubuntu-desktop?
[09:28] <micahg> vish: same repo
[09:29] <vish> micahg: can the two set different preferences? within a package?
[09:29] <micahg> vish: what do you mean?
[09:30] <Kangarooo> maybe ubuntu dekstop installing also installs another package witch contains specific configuration. server maybe has all default settings..
[09:30] <vish> micahg: like for ex: if we take package X has a preference : desktop team wants a preference while the server team does not what to use that , is there a way for setting different preferences?
[09:31] <vish> yeah , like default settings..
[09:31] <micahg> vish: idk, possibly, is there a particular bug?
[09:31] <vish> micahg: sudo server team says desktop can show password , while it does not want to do that
[09:32] <vish> sudo :*
[09:32] <vish> show password in the sense , show the ******
[09:32] <micahg> vish: k, what you descrive as the server preference is standard behaviour
[09:33] <vish> yeah , while the desktop can set the preference to show the password?
[09:34] <micahg> vish: no, gksu or kdesu can do that
[09:34] <vish> micahg: actually sudo can also do that , we just havent turned it on. :s
[09:35]  * micahg doesn't see why we'd change the standard behaviour
[09:36] <vish> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers#Enabling%20Visual%20Feedback%20when%20Typing%20Passwords
[09:36] <micahg> vish: k, but globally, I don't see the point, it's a cli app
[09:37] <vish> micahg: in a desktop it is the only app which does not show the pwd stars while every other location the stars are there
[09:37] <micahg> vish: yes, but it's not a desktop app, but a cli app
[09:38] <vish> why does that have to matter , it is in a desktop behaving differently , cli or not seems irrelevant
[09:39] <micahg> vish: but it's not, just because all the gui dialog boxes behave a certain way doesn't mean all the cli apps need to do the same thing
[09:39] <vish> micahg: why not? why do they have to act differently?
[09:40]  * vish doesnt understand
[09:40] <micahg> vish: it's not the same interface
[09:40]  * micahg is guessing, not quoting doctrine
[09:40] <vish> if not same interface , why the problem
[09:41] <micahg> vish: you said there was a problem, not me :P
[09:41] <vish> i meant why the problem of *not* showing ;)
[09:41] <vish> micahg: the tradition to not show pwd stars was inherited from servers for security reasons
[09:41] <micahg> vish: because you're changing something fundamental about the cli
[09:42] <vish> huh? so why is terminal included ?
[09:42] <vish> if it is not going to be part of the desktop.
[09:42] <micahg> vish: for people who like a cli :)
[09:43] <vish> micahg: yeah , those people can turn off the option ;)
[09:43]  * micahg doesn't think things should be fundamentally different
[09:43] <micahg> vish: if anything, I'd say there should be another package in the sudo source that can enable the parameter
[09:44] <micahg> and *not* install it by default
[09:44] <vish> nah , pwd stars by default ;)
[09:44] <vish> micahg: "fundamentals" is just another way of saying "I'm used to this so why change" ;)
[09:45] <micahg> vish: no, it's a matter of making an app consistent across platforms and distros
[09:45] <vish> micahg: hmm?  we are concerned about consistency with other distros? but not *within* the distro ;)
[09:46] <micahg> vish: that *is* being consistent w/in the distro to keep it off
[09:46] <vish> micahg: how? is it consistent within a desktop?
[09:46] <micahg> vish: who's floating around the idea anyways
[09:48] <vish> ;p
[10:56] <Kangarooo> micahg: i need knowlegde about triaging bugs.. im in bugsquad joined can i get mentorship one day?
[11:06] <micahg> Kangarooo: I'm about to go to sleep, in about 8 hours I can answer some questions
[11:06] <Kangarooo> ok micahg
[11:06] <micahg> Kangarooo: there might be other people around to help
[11:07] <Kangarooo> meanwhile ill request mentorship as its written in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[12:12] <penguin42> Does anyone know what /var/run/gdm/auth-for-* is ?
[12:12] <penguin42> ah, Xauthority files moved to there?
[12:47] <penguin42> bug 511493 feels like it should be split into two ?
[12:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 511493 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "Add Acrobat reader and flash restrictions (affects: 1) (heat: 23)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/511493
[18:04] <hggdh> penguin42: ideally they should have been split, yes. But Kees already accepted the bug as is, so no big deal
[18:05] <penguin42> fair enough
[18:32] <DrKenobi> Hi! I found something but I'm not sure if it's a bug or not. When you do something (install, remove) with Gnome-terminal you will see this question: "Do you want to continue [Y/n]?". If you press enter you confirm the action, it's like typing "Y". Is this OK?
[18:33] <Kangarooo> DrKenobi: yes couse maybe you make up or mind when ull see how much programms will be installed
[18:33] <penguin42> DrKenobi: I suspect it depends the app that is doing it
[18:33] <micahg> DrKenobi: if you do it with aptitude you always see it, if with apt-get only if there's more than one app to install
[18:33] <penguin42> DrKenobi: Generally if the Y has been highlighted (by capitalising) that means the guy who wrote it wanted it as the default
[18:34] <DrKenobi> penguin42: I also thought that, but I was not sure
[18:34] <Kangarooo> penguin42: capital letter option means enter will execute that i think
[18:35] <penguin42> DrKenobi: It's a convention rather than a rule, so most things that give you a choice will make one of them the default; typically either the one that is less dangerous or maybe the same as the old setting
[18:37] <DrKenobi> OK, thank you penguin42 	
[18:37] <DrKenobi> Kangarooo micahg
[18:39] <Kangarooo> DrKenobi: yes? about mentorship?
[18:40] <DrKenobi> Kangarooo: yes
[18:45] <Kangarooo> im ready whenever mentor is ready. michael will be my mentor? in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors i see hess available from 0:00 utc now is 18:00