[04:22] <nisshh> humphreybc: ping
[04:26]  * nisshh thinks humphreybc is ignoring him... :)
[04:28] <humphreybc> nisshh: wazzup?
[04:29] <godbyk-sagan> humphreybc ignores everyone. don't take it personally, nisshh. :)
[04:29] <humphreybc> godbyk-sagan: where are my translated editions?
[04:31] <godbyk-sagan> who knows?
[04:31] <godbyk-sagan> i just got off the train today.
[04:31] <godbyk-sagan> tomorrow's a holiday, so I'll have to do family stuff.
[04:31] <humphreybc> excuses excuses :P
[04:31] <godbyk-sagan> then monday, I drive back home.
[04:31] <godbyk-sagan> :)
[04:31] <godbyk-sagan> humphreybc: I s'pose you could always step in and take over for me. ;-)
[04:31] <humphreybc> pah! I have enough to do as it is!
[04:31] <godbyk-sagan> heh.
[04:32] <godbyk-sagan> did we get a USLC meeting scheduled?
[04:32] <humphreybc> dunno, i'm staying out of that
[04:33] <godbyk-sagan> ah.
[04:33] <godbyk-sagan> I just saw some of the emails flying by.
[04:33] <godbyk-sagan> Haven't had time to read the thread yet.
[04:33] <godbyk-sagan> I have a lot of catching up to do. :-/
[04:34] <humphreybc> join the club
[04:34] <godbyk-sagan> you still have school stuff?
[04:34] <humphreybc> nah, i've been doing other ubuntu things during these holidays
[04:34] <humphreybc> lots of mockups for sites and themes and shit
[04:35] <nisshh> humphreybc: your alive!
[04:35] <humphreybc> need to write some more OMG! Ubuntu! articles
[04:35] <godbyk-sagan> gotcha.
[04:35] <humphreybc> USLC is but a dream right now
[04:35] <godbyk-sagan> we'll get there someday.
[04:35] <humphreybc> I need to get on to those quickstart booklets
[04:35] <humphreybc> yeah, eventually
[04:36] <nisshh> humphreybc: i was just going to ask you what the hell is going on with the various projects and stuff lately, check the ML for lukes post
[04:36] <humphreybc> nisshh: yes I saw
[04:36] <godbyk-sagan> yeah, what quick-start booklets are you wanting to do?
[04:36] <humphreybc> godbyk-sagan: probably start with an installation one just to get the format and stuff down
[04:36] <humphreybc> nisshh: what do you want to know?
[04:36] <humphreybc> I've been planning on doing an update email for the team
[04:36] <nisshh> humphreybc: oh good
[04:36] <godbyk-sagan> humphreybc: there was some chatter a while back on the ubuntu-docs mailing list about an 'installing ubuntu' guide.
[04:37] <humphreybc> godbyk-sagan: course there was
[04:37] <godbyk-sagan> they were looking at just reusing our chapter as a start. not sure if anyone got anywhere with it or not.
[04:37] <humphreybc> probably not
[04:37] <godbyk-sagan> i haven't seen anything about it lately.
[04:37] <humphreybc> if I had a dollar for every time someone suggested something that wasn't done in that list...
[04:37] <humphreybc> at least they're not as bad as ayatana though
[04:37] <nisshh> i know iv been doing other stuff lately but i want to know whats happening with stuff like the learning centre and what is and isnt going in the 10.10 manual and whatnot
[04:37] <godbyk-sagan> (It bothers me that the right Shift key on my laptop doesn't work too well.  Means 'I' doesn't get capitalized as often as it should.)
[04:38] <humphreybc> nisshh: learning center is still a concept and under planning, probably won't happen for some time
[04:38] <nisshh> humphreybc: right
[04:38] <godbyk-sagan> the ayatana list has been pretty noisy the past few months. I've gotten to the point where I don't bother to read the threads because i don't have enough time to participate anyway.
[04:38] <humphreybc> 10.10 manual will basically be the same as 10.04 with a few chapters removed, and a couple of extra sections added plus of course updated screenshots
[04:38] <humphreybc> yeah, I don't read the shit in the ayatana mailing list
[04:38] <nisshh> hehe, ok
[04:39] <godbyk-sagan> nisshh: we'll need to update the 10.10 manual to include all the new default apps, for instance.
[04:39] <humphreybc> btw, i'm applying for membership on tuesday in #ubuntu-meeting at 1000 UTC, if anyone wants to show up and support me :)
[04:40] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: ah yea, i forgot about shotwell and that other one i cant remember
[04:40] <nisshh> humphreybc: ill be your cheer squad!
[04:40] <humphreybc> :)
[04:40] <humphreybc> i'm slowly working through all my post it notes
[04:41] <humphreybc> oh yeah, I want to change our team name, btw
[04:41] <nisshh> humphreybc: be great if we could find something for me to do now that im on mid year break for a few weeks
[04:41] <humphreybc> nisshh: fix bugs, start figuring out what's new in maverick and make a list of stuff we need to change/add/remove for 10.10 manual
[04:42] <humphreybc> install maverick alpha 2 in a virtualbox and list shit in an etherpad
[04:42] <nisshh> humphreybc: yea, the problem with making a list now is stuff will change since its only alpha 2 :)
[04:42] <humphreybc> well, go into #ubuntu-desktop and pester the shit out of Rick and the gang to figure out what's going to stay the same
[04:43] <nisshh> hehe, yea ill start with that
[04:43] <humphreybc> also, find out what's happening with their developers manual
[04:43] <humphreybc> and ask if they need any help
[04:43] <nisshh> right
[04:43] <humphreybc> and help godbyk get translations out ASAP
[04:43] <humphreybc> like, this week
[04:43] <nisshh> yea
[04:43] <nisshh> are there lots of finished ones are there?
[04:43] <humphreybc> i'll be around a bit more this week
[04:44] <humphreybc> I think german, galician, english UK, spanish are done?
[04:44] <humphreybc> at least
[04:44] <nisshh> i know the german one has been sitting there for like a month now
[04:44] <godbyk-sagan> the only ones I've had contact with recently are german and greek.
[04:44] <humphreybc> okay, well, sort out what needs to be fixed for them, hunt down the right people and release them
[04:44] <godbyk-sagan> i think the english uk, galician, etc. are still being edited.
[04:45] <humphreybc> and start brainstorming a new name for our team
[04:45] <humphreybc> maybe changing for maverick, or maverick +1
[04:45] <godbyk-sagan> humphreybc: what kind of new name are you thinking about?
[04:46] <humphreybc> something that is better than our current one
[04:46] <godbyk-sagan> humphreybc: as in, what should it encompass? what's wrong with the existing name, etc.?
[04:46] <humphreybc> current name was only meant to be temporary
[04:46] <godbyk-sagan> oops. :)
[04:46] <humphreybc> well, for one, very soon we won't just be making manuals
[04:46] <humphreybc> and it's a shit name, not original, not catchy, far too literal and doesn't embody everything we do. it's also too long.
[04:47] <humphreybc> i have one or two ideas for new ones, but i'm still mulling
[04:47] <godbyk-sagan> i see.
[04:47] <nisshh> hmmm
[04:47] <nisshh> humphreybc: what are your ideas on the name so far, maybe ill get inspired
[04:47] <nisshh> :)
[04:48] <humphreybc> so I looked at what we do
[04:48] <humphreybc> and we create materials and programs that aid us in making materials to _help users_
[04:48] <humphreybc> we're a support team, right?
[04:48] <nisshh> technically yes
[04:48] <humphreybc> so I started looking up the words "help" and "support" in different languages
[04:48] <humphreybc> you know, because "Project Help" or "Project Support" is a bit gay
[04:48] <nisshh> very gay
[04:49] <humphreybc> anyway, the Maori word for "help" is "Awhina" (pronounced "ow-feena")
[04:49] <humphreybc> Project Awhina
[04:49] <humphreybc> or, the spanish translation of help is "Ayuda"
[04:49] <humphreybc> Project Ayuda
[04:49] <godbyk-sagan> Then you have to tackle the pronunciation issues.
[04:49] <humphreybc> but that's about all I have
[04:49] <nisshh> urh
[04:49] <godbyk-sagan> (that's the major downside of foreign words... people mispronouncing them all the time.)
[04:50] <humphreybc> godbyk-sagan: I don't think that's a huge issue, Ubuntu has pronunciation issues
[04:50] <humphreybc> anyway, something to think about
[04:50] <nisshh> thats true
[04:50] <godbyk-sagan> yeah.
[04:50] <godbyk-sagan> oo-boon-too.  it's just that simple. :)
[04:50] <humphreybc> I don't think they're particularly good
[04:50] <godbyk-sagan> not oo-bun-too.
[04:50]  * humphreybc says oo-bun-too
[04:50] <godbyk-sagan> not uh-bun-too.
[04:50] <godbyk-sagan> humphreybc is wrong. :)
[04:51] <humphreybc> i know
[04:51] <humphreybc> anyway, i gotta boot into windows and do some work
[04:51] <godbyk-sagan> boo!
[04:51] <nisshh> i know people who say U-bunt-u
[04:51] <nisshh> yuck!
[04:51] <humphreybc> i'll be back on IRC in a sec
[04:51] <humphreybc> windows 7 is actually pretty nice
[04:51] <godbyk-sagan> 'kay.
[04:52] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: did humphreybc just say that windows is NICE!?
[04:52] <godbyk-sagan> sounded like it to me.
[04:52] <godbyk-sagan> but he clings to photoshop, too. ;-)
[04:52]  * nisshh hides
[04:52] <nisshh> yea
[04:55] <godbyk-sagan> nisshh: Ssh! He's back!
[04:56] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: aaaaahhhhhh ruuunnnn!
[04:59] <humphreybc> ...
[04:59] <godbyk-sagan> humphreybc: nothing. ;-)
[05:00]  * nisshh is still running away...
[05:01] <nisshh> now this is what i call a bit paranoid: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/ubuntu-1010-countdown-script-lets-you.html
[05:03] <godbyk-sagan> nisshh: yeah, I don't need to know that every time I log in. thanks, anyway.
[05:03] <godbyk-sagan> well, guys, I think I'm going to go to bed and read for a while.
[05:03] <godbyk-sagan> I didn't get much sleep on the train.
[05:06] <nisshh> ok fair enough, i dont want to use that script either tbh, i can count :)
[05:10] <nisshh> humphreybc: http://typewith.me/h2Y9bitvCI
[05:11] <nisshh> if you can think of any more changes that have happened please add them
[05:11] <humphreybc> i don't think banshee is going to replace rhythmbox
[05:11] <nisshh> i will install maverick a2 today
[05:11] <humphreybc> and the global menu won't be in the desktop, just netbook (for now)
[05:11] <nisshh> humphreybc: i dont either but i just put it there
[05:11] <nisshh> ah ok
[05:12] <nisshh> humphreybc: any other app changes other than shotwell?
[05:12] <humphreybc> I don't think so
[05:13] <nisshh> are there any ubuntu one changes do you know?
[05:13] <humphreybc> not sure
[05:14] <nisshh> hmm, ok ill post this to the ML and see what others say
[05:14] <nisshh> using my new GMAIL account!
[05:14] <nisshh> :)
[05:19] <nisshh> humphreybc: mail sent to the ML
[05:20] <humphreybc> groovy
[09:03] <thorwil> morning!
[09:14] <thorwil> nisshh: good idea to start documenting changes for 10.0
[09:32] <nisshh> thorwil: thanks
[09:33] <nisshh> feel free to add stuff
[11:00] <daker> hi
[11:05] <thorwil> hi daker
[11:06] <daker> thorwil, thanks for what you have done :)
[11:08] <thorwil> daker: you're welcome. do you have a favorite already?
[11:09] <daker> not yet i waiting for replies from the loco
[16:24] <askhl_> Hi.  Roughly how frequently do you build the manual?  We've gone from 8% to 23% since last build, and it would be nice to sort of have a look at the big picture
[16:25] <askhl_> (I refer to the reports on builds.ubuntu-manual.org)
[16:25] <askhl_> Also I'm talking about translations, by the way
[16:36] <askhl__> (sorry for popping out so quickly, battery was low)
[16:47] <godbyk-sagan> askhl__: I build the manuals by running a script; it's not automated.
[16:47] <godbyk-sagan> askhl__: I've been away at a conference this past week and a half.
[16:47] <godbyk-sagan> askhl__: I will be home again late Monday or Tuesday, so I'll upload new builds then.
[16:50] <askhl__> godbyk-sagan, great, I look forward to seeing all new the Danish text in 'print' :)
[16:52] <jenkins> hello all
[16:53] <godbyk-sagan> Hey, jenkins.  Did you ever get ops sorted out on your new nick?
[16:54] <jenkins> yep i think juss-i did it for me
[16:54] <godbyk-sagan> askhl__: Definitely. It's also a lot easier to read through and spot typos and other errors. :)
[16:54] <godbyk-sagan> cool.
[16:55] <godbyk-sagan> someday someone will have to show me how to use ops.
[16:55] <godbyk-sagan> (i was a channel op about 15 years ago on a different network, but it wasn't something i had to request and then abdicate all the time.)
[16:56] <jenkins> godbyk-sagan: I will show you some time if have worked out how to do it and i have a good link
[16:58] <godbyk-sagan> jenkins: sounds like a plan.
[16:59] <jenkins> sorry that should read i haev worked it out
[16:59] <godbyk-sagan> jenkins: Do you have a link handy to our translations to do list?
[16:59] <godbyk-sagan> jenkins: Can you remind me what all I need to do for the German and Greek translations?
[16:59] <jenkins> i have the link here
[17:00] <jenkins> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/translationtodo
[17:00] <godbyk-sagan> thanks.
[17:01] <godbyk-sagan> I'm going to take a shower and wake up.  Then I'll go through my recent email and see where we left off on the translations.
[17:02] <godbyk-sagan> I have dinner tonight at my grandmother's house, but I should have a few hours this afternoon to play around.
[17:02] <jenkins> I have just sent you the latest file form c7p and all that needs doing is to compile it and fix the error due to the glossary
[17:02] <godbyk-sagan> sweet.
[17:02] <godbyk-sagan> okay.
[17:02] <jenkins> and then a double check
[17:02] <godbyk-sagan> yeah, when I get home I need to ensure that the makefile and build script use the same build procedure.
[17:03] <godbyk-sagan> jenkins: has this file been updated in bzr yet?
[17:03] <jenkins> german we have a whole load of stuff that has been translated and needs to be added, I also have some adjusments form thorwil to the translations on the mailing list
[17:03] <jenkins> godbyk-sagan: nope not as far as i know
[17:03] <godbyk-sagan> okay.
[17:04] <godbyk-sagan> also, I had a chat with Don Knuth about some margin-note stuff while we walked to the restaurant.  I also chatted with the guy who gave this talk: http://tug.org/tug2010/abstracts/hicks.txt
[17:04] <godbyk-sagan> So hopefully we'll get the margin notes to work a bit more smoothly in the future.
[17:05] <godbyk-sagan> be back in about 30 minutes.
[17:49] <godbyk-sagan> Back now.
[18:19] <jenkins_> be back later
[19:13] <jenkins> evening all
[19:13] <zkriesse> hey jenkins
[19:15]  * jenkins thinks about the things still to do on quickshot
[19:15] <godbyk-sagan> how's quickshot coming along?  or has quickshot development been on hiatus, too?
[19:17] <jenkins> quickshot is getting there i have to gui to a stage where we have buttons that make windows appear. I need to do the stuff in between and I am poking the layout as I notice it looking wrong.
[19:17] <godbyk-sagan> cool
[19:17] <jenkins> flan: is doing well on the server
[19:17] <godbyk-sagan> I know flan's made a lot of progress on the server side, it seems.
[19:18] <jenkins> the in between bits will be easy enough, mostly looking at cross linux support and better ways of doing things
[19:18] <godbyk-sagan> I see.
[19:44] <flan> I'm at a standstill because I'm preparing to move.
[19:44] <flan> I'll still makde advances whenever I have time.
[19:44] <godbyk-sagan> flan: where are you moving to?
[19:45] <flan> Just elsewhere in Calgary.
[19:45] <flan> First home-thing.
[19:45] <godbyk-sagan> ah
[19:49] <thorwil> jenkins, flan, vish: thoughts on this very rough quickshot icon concept?
[19:49] <vish> thorwil: hmm, which one?
[19:50] <thorwil> http://www.foopics.com/showfull/e7c1ccf3d317f2c42d08c17dde86f56d
[19:50]  * jenkins looks
[19:50] <thorwil> vish: the one i forgot to paste :9
[19:51] <godbyk-sagan> thorwil: do you think that the camera being viewed from that angle would be recognizable as such?
[19:51] <jenkins> I am not much of an artist but is the stack of pictures the desktop or a window or just a image?
[19:51] <flan> Though it'd totally ruin the shading, it kinda seems liek the camera should be below or to the side of the target.
[19:52]  * vish likey camera ;)
[19:52] <thorwil> this illustrates the origin of the concept: http://www.photoinfos.com/Fotolabor/Repro/repro-002.jpg
[19:52] <flan> Maybe something more like a consumer-grade digital camera might be more immediately recognizable.
[19:53] <thorwil> godbyk-sagan: a bit stylized it might work well enough. not the optimal view of a camera, but can't tell the story otherwise
[19:53] <thorwil> jenkins: it's a stack of screenshots to be taken
[19:53] <godbyk-sagan> thorwil: Right. As long as the camera is recognizable as a camera. :)
[19:54] <jenkins> ok makes sense.
[19:54] <godbyk-sagan> I think it'd be better if the viewing angle were different. Perhaps an isometric side view.  We don't usually think of taking pictures of a screen from above like that.
[19:55] <jenkins> the only tiny bit of an idea is I like the shutter icon and it's jagged curve and may be make it so you were looking though a camera lense. showing that you are looking through a lense by the picture being cut at the top and bottom (or sides) with a wiggle like on the lense of http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Panasonic_DMC-TZ3.JPG&imgrefurl=http://commons.wiki
[19:56]  * jenkins not sure if the link is long enough
[19:56] <jenkins> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Panasonic_DMC-TZ3.JPG
[19:56] <godbyk-sagan> link no worky.
[19:56] <jenkins> thats better
[19:56] <godbyk-sagan> ah, that works
[19:56] <jenkins> I have no idea how to do it and it could look rubish. but thats my only idea
[19:58] <flan> What about a straight-on view of a camera like the one Lunk just linked, but branded with the name 'Quickshot'?
[19:59] <flan> Luke*
[19:59] <jenkins> may be do thorwil's idea but looking from behind the camera
[19:59] <flan> I can't type.
[19:59] <jenkins> but not a dirrect view a slight angle
[19:59] <thorwil> flan: open the Applications menu, Accesoires. than think about a readable "brand" name again ;)
[19:59] <godbyk-sagan> thorwil: Sorry you asked yet? :)
[20:00] <godbyk-sagan> I like the F-Spot shutter icon. Can we just steal it from them. ;-)
[20:00] <thorwil> godbyk-sagan: nah, my nerves are made of rust ... eh steel
[20:01] <flan> I suppose it'd look too much like the 'Take Screenshot' item, too...
[20:01] <flan> Okay, bad idea.
[20:02] <vish> godbyk-sagan: yeah , f-spot is pretty neat  thorwil: any idea who did the f-spot icon?
[20:02] <thorwil> nope
[20:03] <godbyk-sagan> Hey, c7p. Have I had you guys translate the back-cover text yet?
[20:03] <c7p> back cover ?
[20:03] <c7p> let me find the text
[20:04] <godbyk-sagan> c7p: Yeah, the few paragraphs on the back cover of the printed book.
[20:04] <godbyk-sagan> thorwil will need that so he can create the cover.
[20:04]  * vish brb
[20:05] <jenkins> brb
[20:05] <c7p> well colophon => translated, that's the only paragraphs at the end of file
[20:05] <c7p> i mean the translated
[20:07] <godbyk-sagan> c7p: Okay. Let me send you the paragraphs.  They're short.
[20:07] <c7p> ah btw should the "Creative Commons Notice" be translated >
[20:07] <c7p> ?*
[20:07] <c7p> ok :)
[20:07] <godbyk-sagan> c7p: Where does that text appear?
[20:08] <c7p> its on the license section
[20:09] <jenkins> i like the swirl of the fspot icon. what about looking through  that short of shape at some screenshots.  the trouble is it may not show in the icon it would when we use the logo in the program its self
[20:10] <thorwil> c7p: i think godbyk means the text on the backside of the lulu cover: http://pastebin.com/6nYhxSYR
[20:11] <c7p> thx thorwil :)
[20:12] <godbyk-sagan> thorwil: Yeah, that's the text.  Thanks!
[20:12] <godbyk-sagan> I was having trouble tracking it down.
[20:12] <thorwil> np
[20:13] <godbyk-sagan> c7p: That's the text that appears on the back cover of the printed book.  If you can translate that text and email it to thorwil, we should be able to get the cover created soon.
[20:13] <jenkins> thorwil: I think that the jury is out on that idea I like the use of the pile of screenshots rather than just one
[20:13] <thorwil> godbyk-sagan: the lulu_en.svg is the only place it exists as text, i think :/
[20:13] <godbyk-sagan> thorwil: Quite possibly.  I just found a copy of that file in the lucid-1e-en repository.
[20:13] <jenkins> its very hard to think off what to do for an icon
[20:19] <vish> lets just be lazy and use "QS" as the icon ;p
[20:22] <thorwil> ah, this model would really help with recognizability: http://jasonglewis.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/FujiFilm-GF670-Professional-medium-format-folding-camera-top.jpg !!
[20:23] <jenkins> yea what about from that view and have the stack of screenshot in front of it
[20:23] <jenkins> ?
[20:24] <jenkins> would it look a bit small in the menu? I suppose it depends on detail
[20:26] <thorwil> jenkins: camera straight down is pretty much the only way how i can show a stack and camera in one perspective and keeping it somewhat simple on the camera
[20:27] <jenkins> fair enough, you are far better at inkscape than i am
[20:29] <c7p> what do you mean by "scanning documents" (http://pastebin.com/6nYhxSYR) ?
[20:29] <thorwil> the real quickshot: http://www.cbmhardware.de/misc/joystick/39.jpg. i think my brother one of those for his amiga 2000
[20:30] <jenkins> hehe
[20:30] <c7p> lol
[20:30] <Guest93627> σαρωση εγγραφων
[20:30] <c7p> that icon should be the "Take screenshot" buttom ;P
[20:30] <thorwil> c7p: scanning documents -> http://www.itreviews.co.uk/graphics/normal/hardware/h1376.jpg
[20:30] <c7p> nice thx
[20:32]  * thorwil hopes we actually have a section about scanning
[20:32] <jenkins> Ελπίζω κόλαση είχατε μια καλή ημέρα c7p και Guest93627
[20:33] <c7p> haha jenkins whats that
[20:33] <jenkins> its greek, i think. In english it is "hello hope you had a good day"
[20:34] <c7p> haha
[20:34] <jenkins> typo this is it γειά σου
[20:34] <jenkins>  ελπίζω να είχατε μια καλή ημέρα
[20:34] <c7p> "I hope hell you had a good day c7p anf Guest93627" that's what first message
[20:34] <c7p> the second is ok :P
[20:35] <jenkins> hehe I should check what i type
[20:35] <c7p> the first message was*
[20:38] <c7p> Guest93627: http://pastebin.gr/953 check it
[20:47] <jenkins> godbyk-sagan: how would i go about searching every file in a folder and its subfolders for the work wnck ?
[20:47] <jenkins> *word
[20:48] <jenkins> *do you know
[20:49] <jenkins> no worries found it thanks
[20:56] <jenkins> good night all
[20:56] <c7p> night jenkins
[21:48] <daker> good evening / morning
[21:49] <c7p> hi daker
[22:07] <c7p> godbyk-sagan: the back cover text has been translated and sent to thorwil, anything else ?
[22:24] <c7p> night all